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From: rich.ulrich@comcast.net (Rich Ulrich)
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 by: Rich Ulrich - Mon, 15 Apr 2024 23:22 UTC

On Tue, 16 Apr 2024 09:02:32 +1000, Peter Moylan
<peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

>On 15/04/24 10:36, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>
>> Once you bring city names into the picture, the endings wander all
>> over the shop. Australia has Sydneysider, Melbournite, Crow-eater,
>> ...
>
>I forgot to mention that "Novocastrian" is possibly the only Latin-based
>name in the whole country. At least, I can't think of another right now.

Here in the USA, we have Phoenicians from Phoenix.

Those conversions of Xs to Cs are from Latin, I think.

Index, indices. Matrix, matrices.

--
Rich Ulrich

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 by: lar3ryca - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 01:47 UTC

On 2024-04-14 18:24, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 14/04/24 21:41, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>> Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
>>
>>> J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not at all. Ships can be obviously male, like Hood and and Bismarck,
>>>> and still be refered to as 'she'.
>>>
>>> Aren't Hood and Bismarck lastnames?
>>
>> You want the Sloop John B instead?
>
> I see your John B, and raise you the Good Ship Venus.

You really should have seen us!

--
He's so posh, his butler was born with a silver spoon in his mouth.

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 by: lar3ryca - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 01:54 UTC

On 2024-04-15 08:15, Sn!pe wrote:
> Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 15/04/24 00:41, Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 11:34:15 +0200, Athel Cornish-Bowden
>>> <me@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> There is also Hollander, but I don't think that is much used today,
>>>> and I don't think Netherlander has really caught on.
>>>
>>> Greenlander, perhaps?
>>>
>>> And New Yorker.
>>
>> Once you bring city names into the picture, the endings wander all over
>> the shop. Australia has Sydneysider, Melbournite, Crow-eater, ...
>
> My granddaughters are Sand-gropers. I still haven't forgiven my
> daughter for running away to Australia to have ~my~ grandchildren.

"Herring choker, a person from New Brunswick"
"Bluenoser" - from Nova Scotia.
"Newfie" - a Newfoundlander.

--
All you need in this life is ignor­ance and confi­dence,
and then success is sure.
~ Mark Twain

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 by: lar3ryca - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 02:18 UTC

On 2024-04-12 17:55, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 13/04/24 07:55, wugi wrote:
>> Op 12/04/2024 om 10:21 schreef occam:
>>> Today I stumbled on a mapping of language (1) -> language (2),  where
>>> language #1 refers to language #2 as confusing or difficult to
>>> comprehend.
>>>
>>> 1- English -> Greek ("It's Greek to me")
>>> 2- Italian -> Arabic ("Is that Arabic?")
>>> 3- Greek   }
>>> 4- Dutch   }   -> Chinese
>>> 5- Estonian}
>>> 6- Romanian -> Turkish
>>>
>>> Please feel free to add to the list.
>>
>> And is the usage the same, whether hearing utterances in (supposedly
>> or knowingly) one's own language (and its dialects), or in a (known
>> or unknown) foreign language?
>
> In my experience the English "It's all Greek to me" rarely refers to
> utterances. It's more about a field of knowledge. For example, "I don't
> understand string theory. It's all Greek to me."

I made another Tee shirt along the lines of the one in Hindi...
It's in Greek, and it translates as:

I don't know.
It's all Greek to me.

> This might also be true for the expressions cited in other languages. I
> don't know.
>

--
I thought Ariana Grande was a font.

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* Athel Cornish-Bowden <l82av9Fhgi5U1@mid.individual.net> :
Wrote on Sun, 14 Apr 2024 17:27:53 +0200:
> On 2024-04-14 14:41:39 +0000, Ken Blake said:
>> On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 11:34:15 +0200, Athel Cornish-Bowden
>>> On 2024-04-14 09:31:11 +0000, Athel Cornish-Bowden said:
>>>> On 2024-04-14 09:01:10 +0000, Bertel Lund Hansen said:
>>>>> Hibou wrote:
>>>>>> Google Books finds examples of 'Swissman', though not from
>>>>>> authors I've heard of. Better 'Dutchman' than 'Netherman',
>>>>>> perhaps.
>>>>> In Danish "-land" almost always results in "-lænder" [1], even for
>>>>> some Danish regions. I know the word "Highlander". Isn't "-lander"
>>>>> used with nations? I tried to think of Danish words with -man,
>>>>> but I think that we only use it with "nordmand" and
>>>>> "franskmand". The most productive ending is "-er". [1] Germany
>>>>> (Tyskland) is an exception. A German is called "en tysker". That
>>>>> is probably inspired by the Germans' own word "Deutscher".
>>>> Icelander, New Zealander, Luxemburger, maybe Liechtensteiner (we
>>>> don't talk about Liechtensteiners much). I can't think of any
>>>> others.
>>> There is also Hollander, but I don't think that is much used today,
>>> and>I don't think Netherlander has really caught on.

I try to use nederlander when I have to use it in a sentence ("all
nederlanders are crazy"), but the other form would correctly be
netherlandman.

>> Greenlander, perhaps?
> Yes
>> And New Yorker.

There is Mumbaikar but that's deceptive. Indian metropolitan demonyms
tend to use local suffixes when possible. Mumbaiker may work but "kar"'
is a marathi suffix. Madrasi (actually a Hindism), (for the rest
Bombayite, Chennaite, Bangalorean, Calcuttan to satisfy the demands of
marketing.

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 by: Tony Cooper - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 03:34 UTC

On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 20:52:58 +0200, Bertel Lund Hansen
<gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> wrote:

>Sn!pe wrote:
>
>> I've heard of Dutchmen* referred to as "cloggies", as in træsko-wearers.
>
>Clogs are common in Denmark too, but they are not all wood. The base is
>made of wood, but the cover is of leather. We call them "træsko"
>(wood-shoes).
>
>https://duckduckgo.com/?t=lm&q=tr%C3%A6sko&atb=v367-1&iax=images&ia=images
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Surprisingly comfortable to wear. I bought a pair when I was in
Denmark the first time. I think they were the source of the design
for "Crocs".

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 by: Bertel Lund Hansen - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 05:02 UTC

Tony Cooper wrote:

>>Clogs are common in Denmark too, but they are not all wood. The base is
>>made of wood, but the cover is of leather. We call them "træsko"
>>(wood-shoes).
>>
>>https://duckduckgo.com/?t=lm&q=tr%C3%A6sko&atb=v367-1&iax=images&ia=images
>>
> Surprisingly comfortable to wear.

And practical in a country where we often prefer to take off our
footwear when entering a house because of dirt and mud. It's easy to put
them on and slip them off. Farmers would typically wear them in th Good
Old Days (tm).

--
Bertel
Kolt, Denmark

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 by: Ruud Harmsen - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 05:36 UTC

Mon, 15 Apr 2024 15:28:11 +0100: snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) scribeva:

>Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
>
>> J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>
>> >> There is also Hollander, but I don't think that is much used today,
>> >> and I don't think Netherlander has really caught on.
>> >
>> > 'Hollander' is still the most used form, worldwide,
>> > in various local variants.
>>
>> In Danmark we say "hollænder" and "Holland" about the country.

And that's their right and that's right:
https://ernieramaker.nl/schrijfsels.php?tekst=hollands
https://ernieramaker.nl/schrijfsels.php?tekst=hollandsk

Likewise, my online Portuguese teacher taught me to use Países Baixos
for my own country, but I often use Holanda instead, and holandês for
the language. A word neerlandês exists, but it is rarely used.

Apart from the Danish arguments (it's their language, they decide how
to use it): the language actually comes from Holland, more than from
Nederland. Just like Portuguese originalmente comes from ... Galicia.

>> Some
>> Danes say "Nederlandene", but I don't know how many, and I have never
>> seen or heard "Nederlænder".
>
>I've heard of Dutchmen* referred to as "cloggies", as in træsko-wearers.
>Apropos of not much: min første kone er dansk.

I sometimes saw photos something like 80 or a 100 years old, where
people even in cities (not city centres) wore wooden shoes. Nowadays
only some farmers, if those, still wear them.

>* My apologies if my use of this British idiom offends Netherlanders.

Dutchmen is the correct English word. Doesn't offend me at all.

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 by: Ruud Harmsen - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 05:39 UTC

Mon, 15 Apr 2024 20:52:58 +0200: Bertel Lund Hansen
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>Sn!pe wrote:
>
>> I've heard of Dutchmen* referred to as "cloggies", as in træsko-wearers.
>
>Clogs are common in Denmark too, but they are not all wood. The base is
>made of wood, but the cover is of leather. We call them "træsko"
>(wood-shoes).
>
>https://duckduckgo.com/?t=lm&q=tr%C3%A6sko&atb=v367-1&iax=images&ia=images

Those have been popular in the Netherlands too. Now less.

>> Apropos of not much: min første kone er dansk.

I will have to look up "kone". Ah, wife.

>Okay.

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 by: Adam Funk - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 10:29 UTC

On 2024-04-15, Peter Moylan wrote:

> On 15/04/24 22:09, Adam Funk wrote:
>> On 2024-04-15, Peter Moylan wrote:
>
>>> Once you bring city names into the picture, the endings wander all over
>>> the shop. Australia has Sydneysider, Melbournite, Crow-eater, ...
>>
>> I had to look the last one up.
>>
>> ‘Crow-eaters’ for South Australians is still commonly used, and
>> refers to the magpie on the coat of arms.
>
> That's one theory. Another is that there was a food shortage in the
> early days of white settlement, and the new settlers had to find new
> sources of food.

I think crows are pretty cool, but considering some of the stuff they
eat [1] I doubt they taste good.

[1] A few weeks ago while biking to work I had to go around a crow
picking at a flattened rat.

--
It is the duty of the wealthy man to give employment to the
artisan. ---Hilaire Belloc

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 by: Peter Moylan - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 11:47 UTC

On 16/04/24 11:47, lar3ryca wrote:
> On 2024-04-14 18:24, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> On 14/04/24 21:41, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>> Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not at all. Ships can be obviously male, like Hood and and Bismarck,
>>>>> and still be refered to as 'she'.
>>>>
>>>> Aren't Hood and Bismarck lastnames?
>>>
>>> You want the Sloop John B instead?
>>
>> I see your John B, and raise you the Good Ship Venus.
>
> You really should have seen us!

Let us not mention how the skipper was circumcised.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

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 by: Peter Moylan - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 12:04 UTC

On 16/04/24 12:18, lar3ryca wrote:

> I made another Tee shirt along the lines of the one in Hindi... It's
> in Greek, and it translates as:
>
> I don't know. It's all Greek to me.

Young Australians -- some of them, anyway -- have a bad habit of getting
tattoos when they get drunk in South-East Asia. I heard of a tattooist
in Singapore who, when asked to put some Chinese characters on a
tourist's skin, produced a Chinese sentence roughly equivalent to "This
idiot can't read Chinese".

I have no idea whether the story is true. Even if I went around reading
people's arms, my total knowledge of written Chinese is about two words.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

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 by: Sam Plusnet - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 18:21 UTC

On 16-Apr-24 11:29, Adam Funk wrote:
> On 2024-04-15, Peter Moylan wrote:
>
>> On 15/04/24 22:09, Adam Funk wrote:
>>> On 2024-04-15, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>
>>>> Once you bring city names into the picture, the endings wander all over
>>>> the shop. Australia has Sydneysider, Melbournite, Crow-eater, ...
>>>
>>> I had to look the last one up.
>>>
>>> ‘Crow-eaters’ for South Australians is still commonly used, and
>>> refers to the magpie on the coat of arms.
>>
>> That's one theory. Another is that there was a food shortage in the
>> early days of white settlement, and the new settlers had to find new
>> sources of food.
>
> I think crows are pretty cool, but considering some of the stuff they
> eat [1] I doubt they taste good.
>
>
> [1] A few weeks ago while biking to work I had to go around a crow
> picking at a flattened rat.

I remember reading very long involved recipe on how to prepare crow.

One of many (many) stages requires it to be buried for at least three
weeks, then dug up and... lots of other stages.
The final stage is to throw the thing away since it is completely
inedible no matter what you do to it.

--
Sam Plusnet

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 by: Sam Plusnet - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 18:23 UTC

On 16-Apr-24 2:54, lar3ryca wrote:
> On 2024-04-15 08:15, Sn!pe wrote:
>> Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 15/04/24 00:41, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 11:34:15 +0200, Athel Cornish-Bowden
>>>> <me@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> There is also Hollander, but I don't think that is much used today,
>>>>> and I don't think Netherlander has really caught on.
>>>>
>>>> Greenlander, perhaps?
>>>>
>>>> And New Yorker.
>>>
>>> Once you bring city names into the picture, the endings wander all over
>>> the shop. Australia has Sydneysider, Melbournite, Crow-eater, ...
>>
>> My granddaughters are Sand-gropers.  I still haven't forgiven my
>> daughter for running away to Australia to have ~my~ grandchildren.
>
> "Herring choker, a person from New Brunswick"
> "Bluenoser" - from Nova Scotia.
> "Newfie" - a Newfoundlander.

I can't think of many for England & Wales - well there's always the
Monkey Hangers of course.

--
Sam Plusnet

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Sam Plusnet wrote:

>> "Herring choker, a person from New Brunswick"
>> "Bluenoser" - from Nova Scotia.
>> "Newfie" - a Newfoundlander.
>
> I can't think of many for England & Wales - well there's always the
> Monkey Hangers of course.

Brummies, scousers, mancunians, glaswegians, liverpudlians - are those
that I know.

--
Bertel
Kolt, Denmark

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 by: jerryfriedman - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 20:51 UTC

Peter Moylan wrote:

> On 16/04/24 12:18, lar3ryca wrote:

>> I made another Tee shirt along the lines of the one in Hindi... It's
>> in Greek, and it translates as:
>>
>> I don't know. It's all Greek to me.

> Young Australians -- some of them, anyway -- have a bad habit of getting
> tattoos when they get drunk in South-East Asia. I heard of a tattooist
> in Singapore who, when asked to put some Chinese characters on a
> tourist's skin, produced a Chinese sentence roughly equivalent to "This
> idiot can't read Chinese".

> I have no idea whether the story is true. Even if I went around reading
> people's arms, my total knowledge of written Chinese is about two words.

There are two at this unfortunately defunct blog that say "taken advantage
of", and another pair that say "little livestock", "big mistake".

https://hanzismatter.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2015-08-17T09:37:00-07:00&max-results=7&start=28&by-date=false

The "gibberish fonts" Tian talks about are sets of 26 nice-looking
characters that unscrupulous Western tattoo artists substitute for
letters.

--
Jerry Friedman

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 by: Peter Moylan - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 23:01 UTC

On 17/04/24 04:21, Sam Plusnet wrote:

> I remember reading very long involved recipe on how to prepare crow.
>
> One of many (many) stages requires it to be buried for at least three
> weeks, then dug up and... lots of other stages. The final stage is
> to throw the thing away since it is completely inedible no matter
> what you do to it.

That's like the traditional recipe for cooking emu. You throw the emu
meat into a huge pot of water, add some old boots, and simmer until the
boots are soft. Then you throw away the emu and eat the boots.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

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 by: J. J. Lodder - Wed, 17 Apr 2024 08:55 UTC

Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:

> On 2024-04-15, Peter Moylan wrote:
>
> > On 15/04/24 22:09, Adam Funk wrote:
> >> On 2024-04-15, Peter Moylan wrote:
> >
> >>> Once you bring city names into the picture, the endings wander all over
> >>> the shop. Australia has Sydneysider, Melbournite, Crow-eater, ...
> >>
> >> I had to look the last one up.
> >>
> >> 'Crow-eaters' for South Australians is still commonly used, and
> >> refers to the magpie on the coat of arms.
> >
> > That's one theory. Another is that there was a food shortage in the
> > early days of white settlement, and the new settlers had to find new
> > sources of food.
>
> I think crows are pretty cool, but considering some of the stuff they
> eat [1] I doubt they taste good.
>
>
> [1] A few weeks ago while biking to work I had to go around a crow
> picking at a flattened rat.

Rats are edible are they are.
Why would recycled rat be less edible?

Jan

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 by: J. J. Lodder - Wed, 17 Apr 2024 09:55 UTC

LionelEdwards <dougstaples@gmx.com> wrote:

> Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>
> > On 2024-04-14 09:49:07 +0000, LionelEdwards said:
>
> >> jerryfriedman wrote:
> >>
> >>> Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> >>
> >>>> On 2024-04-12 14:09:38 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
> >>> ...
> >>
> >>>>> Dutch does have 'Koeterwaals', for impossible to understand language.
> >>>>> From German 'Kauderwelsch' perhaps from 'Churer Welsch',
> >>>>> the Romance language spoken in the Swiss canton Chur.
> >>>>> (so not from Belgian 'Waals/Wallon')
> >>>>> It may be cognate with English 'Welsh'.
> >>
> >>>> I have the idea that Welsh, Waals/Wallon, Vlach, Welschland and others
> >>>> are all cognate and come from a word meaning "foreign".
> >>> ...
> >>
> >>> Yep. Another one is "walnut", not native to Britain.
> >> Also "Walton on Thames", settlement of the welsh who chose not to flee
> >> the Roman invasion.
>
> > Along with other similar examples: Wallington, Wallingford, Wallasey
>
> And I am wrong. They were not people who "chose not to flee the Roman
> invasion". Being Roman was inclusive and meant no more than simply
> living within the Roman Empire. Much as today "being a Londoner" doesn't
> imply anything other than a feeling.
>
> They elected not to become Roman. What have the Romans ever done for us?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc7HmhrgTuQ

It is Memorable that the Roman occupation was a Good Thing,
because the Britons were nothing but natives at the time.

You've nothing to complain about,

Jan

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 by: J. J. Lodder - Wed, 17 Apr 2024 09:55 UTC

J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:

> occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
>
> > Today I stumbled on a mapping of language (1) -> language (2), where
> > language #1 refers to language #2 as confusing or difficult to comprehend.
> >
> > 1- English -> Greek ("It's Greek to me")
> > 2- Italian -> Arabic ("Is that Arabic?")
> > 3- Greek }
> > 4- Dutch } -> Chinese
>
> Never heard or seen that one, probably a misunderstanding,,
> based on the existence of the book:
> Peter Ho, Dat is Chinees voor mij- Zin en onzin over China,
> <https://www.singeluitgeverijen.nl/de-geus/boek/dat-is-chinees-voor-mij/>
> (sense and nonsense about China)
> It is a book explaining China and Chinese culture.
>
> Dutch does have 'Koeterwaals', for impossible to understand language.
> From German 'Kauderwelsch' perhaps from 'Churer Welsch',
> the Romance language spoken in the Swiss canton Chur.
> (so not from Belgian 'Waals/Wallon')
> It may be cognate with English 'Welsh'.
>
> Best translated into English as 'gibberish', or 'gobbledygook',

[continued]
Cleared up in the meantime: 'Dat is Chinees voor mij'
is Belgian Dutch only, based on literal translation
of the corresponding French phrase.

Jan

--
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"It is so much easier to translate into French"

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 by: lar3ryca - Thu, 18 Apr 2024 21:00 UTC

On 2024-04-16 05:47, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 16/04/24 11:47, lar3ryca wrote:
>> On 2024-04-14 18:24, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>> On 14/04/24 21:41, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>> Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Not at all. Ships can be obviously male, like Hood and and Bismarck,
>>>>>> and still be refered to as 'she'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Aren't Hood and Bismarck lastnames?
>>>>
>>>> You want the Sloop John B instead?
>>>
>>> I see your John B, and raise you the Good Ship Venus.
>>
>> You really should have seen us!
>
> Let us not mention how the skipper was circumcised.
>

Nor how Andy cooled his favourite tool.

--
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect.
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 by: Sn!pe - Thu, 18 Apr 2024 21:25 UTC

lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:

> On 2024-04-16 05:47, Peter Moylan wrote:
> > On 16/04/24 11:47, lar3ryca wrote:
> >> On 2024-04-14 18:24, Peter Moylan wrote:
> >>> On 14/04/24 21:41, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>>> Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Not at all. Ships can be obviously male, like Hood and and Bismarck,
> >>>>>> and still be refered to as 'she'.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Aren't Hood and Bismarck lastnames?
> >>>>
> >>>> You want the Sloop John B instead?
> >>>
> >>> I see your John B, and raise you the Good Ship Venus.
> >>
> >> You really should have seen us!
> >
> > Let us not mention how the skipper was circumcised.
>
> Nor how Andy cooled his favourite tool.

If required, Carter could start her.

--
^Ï^. Sn!pe, PA, FIBS - Professional Crastinator

My pet rock Gordon just is.

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 by: Adam Funk - Sun, 21 Apr 2024 20:26 UTC

On 2024-04-17, J. J. Lodder wrote:

> Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-04-15, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>
>> > On 15/04/24 22:09, Adam Funk wrote:
>> >> On 2024-04-15, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> >
>> >>> Once you bring city names into the picture, the endings wander all over
>> >>> the shop. Australia has Sydneysider, Melbournite, Crow-eater, ...
>> >>
>> >> I had to look the last one up.
>> >>
>> >> 'Crow-eaters' for South Australians is still commonly used, and
>> >> refers to the magpie on the coat of arms.
>> >
>> > That's one theory. Another is that there was a food shortage in the
>> > early days of white settlement, and the new settlers had to find new
>> > sources of food.
>>
>> I think crows are pretty cool, but considering some of the stuff they
>> eat [1] I doubt they taste good.
>>
>>
>> [1] A few weeks ago while biking to work I had to go around a crow
>> picking at a flattened rat.
>
> Rats are edible are they are.
> Why would recycled rat be less edible?

Maybe meat is like plastic --- the quality degrades at each recycling
stage?

--
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 by: J. J. Lodder - Mon, 22 Apr 2024 21:25 UTC

Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:

> On 2024-04-17, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>
> > Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2024-04-15, Peter Moylan wrote:
> >>
> >> > On 15/04/24 22:09, Adam Funk wrote:
> >> >> On 2024-04-15, Peter Moylan wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>> Once you bring city names into the picture, the endings wander all over
> >> >>> the shop. Australia has Sydneysider, Melbournite, Crow-eater, ...
> >> >>
> >> >> I had to look the last one up.
> >> >>
> >> >> 'Crow-eaters' for South Australians is still commonly used, and
> >> >> refers to the magpie on the coat of arms.
> >> >
> >> > That's one theory. Another is that there was a food shortage in the
> >> > early days of white settlement, and the new settlers had to find new
> >> > sources of food.
> >>
> >> I think crows are pretty cool, but considering some of the stuff they
> >> eat [1] I doubt they taste good.
> >>
> >>
> >> [1] A few weeks ago while biking to work I had to go around a crow
> >> picking at a flattened rat.
> >
> > Rats are edible are they are.
> > Why would recycled rat be less edible?
>
> Maybe meat is like plastic --- the quality degrades at each recycling
> stage?

That is not what my biology textbooks tell me,

Jan

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 by: Adam Funk - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 00:41 UTC

On 2024-04-22, J. J. Lodder wrote:

> Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-04-17, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>
>> > Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 2024-04-15, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On 15/04/24 22:09, Adam Funk wrote:
>> >> >> On 2024-04-15, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>> Once you bring city names into the picture, the endings wander all over
>> >> >>> the shop. Australia has Sydneysider, Melbournite, Crow-eater, ...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I had to look the last one up.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 'Crow-eaters' for South Australians is still commonly used, and
>> >> >> refers to the magpie on the coat of arms.
>> >> >
>> >> > That's one theory. Another is that there was a food shortage in the
>> >> > early days of white settlement, and the new settlers had to find new
>> >> > sources of food.
>> >>
>> >> I think crows are pretty cool, but considering some of the stuff they
>> >> eat [1] I doubt they taste good.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> [1] A few weeks ago while biking to work I had to go around a crow
>> >> picking at a flattened rat.
>> >
>> > Rats are edible are they are.
>> > Why would recycled rat be less edible?
>>
>> Maybe meat is like plastic --- the quality degrades at each recycling
>> stage?
>
> That is not what my biology textbooks tell me,

Well, that one came from my facetiousness textbook.

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