All the Best for 2024 to everybody here.

Just to remind everybody about the Forth Books
we have published over the years
( and there are a few others, not for Forth on the same page ... )
Especially for people who might not have heard about them
https://www.amazon.co.uk/stores/Juergen-Pintaske/author/B00N8HVEZM?ref=ap_rdr&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true

On Saturday 6 January 2024 at 10:50:49 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> All the Best for 2024 to everybody here.
>
> Just to remind everybody about the Forth Books
> we have published over the years
> ( and there are a few others, not for Forth on the same page ... )
> Especially for people who might not have heard about them
> https://www.amazon.co.uk/stores/Juergen-Pintaske/author/B00N8HVEZM?ref=ap_rdr&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true

Much of the information in there you can find somewhere on the internet,
but the idea here was, to have it as a formatted book or eBook.

And I do have the ok from all of the authors to have it published as book.
Actually you can see some cover pages with the Mug I had sent to the people..
For example
https://www.amazon.co.uk/eForth-Zen-32-bit-86eForth-Visual/dp/B08C9761VH/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=HuovT&pf_rd_p=3413293e-3815-4359-96ba-1ec5110e0b30&pf_rd_r=262-6131874-1834657&pd_rd_wg=dsjuG&pd_rd_r=3770eaf4-61d7-47ab-a27a-2c65432eddf4&content-id=amzn1.sym.3413293e-3815-4359-96ba-1ec5110e0b30&ref_=aufs_ap_sc_dsk

On Saturday 6 January 2024 at 13:37:13 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> On Saturday 6 January 2024 at 10:50:49 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> > All the Best for 2024 to everybody here.
> >
> > Just to remind everybody about the Forth Books
> > we have published over the years
> > ( and there are a few others, not for Forth on the same page ... )
> > Especially for people who might not have heard about them
> > https://www.amazon.co.uk/stores/Juergen-Pintaske/author/B00N8HVEZM?ref=ap_rdr&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true
> Much of the information in there you can find somewhere on the internet,
> but the idea here was, to have it as a formatted book or eBook.
>
> And I do have the ok from all of the authors to have it published as book..
> Actually you can see some cover pages with the Mug I had sent to the people.
> For example
> https://www.amazon.co.uk/eForth-Zen-32-bit-86eForth-Visual/dp/B08C9761VH/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=HuovT&pf_rd_p=3413293e-3815-4359-96ba-1ec5110e0b30&pf_rd_r=262-6131874-1834657&pd_rd_wg=dsjuG&pd_rd_r=3770eaf4-61d7-47ab-a27a-2c65432eddf4&content-id=amzn1.sym.3413293e-3815-4359-96ba-1ec5110e0b30&ref_=aufs_ap_sc_dsk

Or see the Forth Lite Tutorial and the mug there
https://www.amazon.co.uk/FORTH-LITE-TUTORIAL-compatible-SwiftForth/dp/1717970672/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=HuovT&content-id=amzn1.sym.3413293e-3815-4359-96ba-1ec5110e0b30&pf_rd_p=3413293e-3815-4359-96ba-1ec5110e0b30&pf_rd_r=262-6131874-1834657&pd_rd_wg=dsjuG&pd_rd_r=3770eaf4-61d7-47ab-a27a-2c65432eddf4&ref_=aufs_ap_sc_dsk

On Saturday 6 January 2024 at 13:53:51 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> On Saturday 6 January 2024 at 13:37:13 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> > On Saturday 6 January 2024 at 10:50:49 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> > > All the Best for 2024 to everybody here.
> > >
> > > Just to remind everybody about the Forth Books
> > > we have published over the years
> > > ( and there are a few others, not for Forth on the same page ... )
> > > Especially for people who might not have heard about them
> > > https://www.amazon.co.uk/stores/Juergen-Pintaske/author/B00N8HVEZM?ref=ap_rdr&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true
> > Much of the information in there you can find somewhere on the internet,
> > but the idea here was, to have it as a formatted book or eBook.
> >
> > And I do have the ok from all of the authors to have it published as book.
> > Actually you can see some cover pages with the Mug I had sent to the people.
> > For example
> > https://www.amazon.co.uk/eForth-Zen-32-bit-86eForth-Visual/dp/B08C9761VH/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=HuovT&pf_rd_p=3413293e-3815-4359-96ba-1ec5110e0b30&pf_rd_r=262-6131874-1834657&pd_rd_wg=dsjuG&pd_rd_r=3770eaf4-61d7-47ab-a27a-2c65432eddf4&content-id=amzn1.sym.3413293e-3815-4359-96ba-1ec5110e0b30&ref_=aufs_ap_sc_dsk
> Or see the Forth Lite Tutorial and the mug there
> https://www.amazon.co.uk/FORTH-LITE-TUTORIAL-compatible-SwiftForth/dp/1717970672/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=HuovT&content-id=amzn1.sym.3413293e-3815-4359-96ba-1ec5110e0b30&pf_rd_p=3413293e-3815-4359-96ba-1ec5110e0b30&pf_rd_r=262-6131874-1834657&pd_rd_wg=dsjuG&pd_rd_r=3770eaf4-61d7-47ab-a27a-2c65432eddf4&ref_=aufs_ap_sc_dsk

A a list of the Forth books there:

The Forth Bookshelf
This is part of the current Forth Bookshelf and some others and can be found at
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM

1 Charles Moore - Forth - The Early Years: Background information about the
beginnings of this Computer Language

2 Charles Moore - Programming A Problem Oriented Language: Forth - how the
internals work

3 Leo Brodie - Starting Forth -The Classic

4 Leo Wong – Juergen Pintaske – Stephen Pelc FORTH LITE TUTORIAL: Code
tested with free MPE VFX Forth, SwiftForth and Gforth

5 Juergen Pintaske – A START WITH FORTH - Bits to Bites Collection
– 12 Words to start, then 35 Words, Javascript Forth on the Web, more

( 6 Stephen Pelc - Programming Forth: Version July 2016 )
( unfortunatey the availability of this book had to be stopped )

7 Brad Rodriguez - Moving Forth / TTL CPU / B.Y.O. Assembler

8 Tim Hentlass - Real Time Forth

9 Chen-Hanson Ting - Footsteps In An Empty Valley issue 3

10 Chen-Hanson Ting - Zen and the Forth Language: EFORTH for the
MSP430G2552 from Texas Instruments

11 Chen-Hanson Ting - eForth and Zen - 3rd Edition 2017: with 32-bit
86eForth v5.2 for Visual Studio 2015

12 Chen-Hanson Ting - eForth Overview

13 Chen-Hanson Ting - FIG-Forth Manual Document /Test in 1802 IP

14 Chen-Hanson Ting - EP32 RISC Processor IP: Description and
Implementation into FPGA – ASIC tested by NASA

15 Chen-Hanson Ting – Irriducible Complexity

16 Chen-Hanson Ting - Arduino controlled by eForth

17 Chen-Hanson Ting – eForth as Arduino Sketch – no Programmer needed

( 18 Burkhard Kainka - Learning Programming with MyCo: )
( Learning Programming easily - independent of a PC (Forth code to follow soon) )

( 19 Burkhard Kainka - BBC Micro:bit: Tests Tricks Secrets Code, Additional MicroBit )
more info to follow when running the Mecrisp Package

( 20 Burkhard Kainka – Thomas Baum – Web Programming ATYTINY13 )

21 Georg Heinrichs - The ATTINY Project – Why Forth?

22 Dr. Karl Meinzer - IPS, a Forth-like language for Space
Juergen Pintaske, publisher, July 2020

On Saturday 6 January 2024 at 14:12:24 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> On Saturday 6 January 2024 at 13:53:51 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> > On Saturday 6 January 2024 at 13:37:13 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> > > On Saturday 6 January 2024 at 10:50:49 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> > > > All the Best for 2024 to everybody here.
> > > >
> > > > Just to remind everybody about the Forth Books
> > > > we have published over the years
> > > > ( and there are a few others, not for Forth on the same page ... )
> > > > Especially for people who might not have heard about them
> > > > https://www.amazon.co.uk/stores/Juergen-Pintaske/author/B00N8HVEZM?ref=ap_rdr&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true
> > > Much of the information in there you can find somewhere on the internet,
> > > but the idea here was, to have it as a formatted book or eBook.
> > >
> > > And I do have the ok from all of the authors to have it published as book.
> > > Actually you can see some cover pages with the Mug I had sent to the people.
> > > For example
> > > https://www.amazon.co.uk/eForth-Zen-32-bit-86eForth-Visual/dp/B08C9761VH/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=HuovT&pf_rd_p=3413293e-3815-4359-96ba-1ec5110e0b30&pf_rd_r=262-6131874-1834657&pd_rd_wg=dsjuG&pd_rd_r=3770eaf4-61d7-47ab-a27a-2c65432eddf4&content-id=amzn1.sym.3413293e-3815-4359-96ba-1ec5110e0b30&ref_=aufs_ap_sc_dsk
> > Or see the Forth Lite Tutorial and the mug there
> > https://www.amazon.co.uk/FORTH-LITE-TUTORIAL-compatible-SwiftForth/dp/1717970672/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=HuovT&content-id=amzn1.sym.3413293e-3815-4359-96ba-1ec5110e0b30&pf_rd_p=3413293e-3815-4359-96ba-1ec5110e0b30&pf_rd_r=262-6131874-1834657&pd_rd_wg=dsjuG&pd_rd_r=3770eaf4-61d7-47ab-a27a-2c65432eddf4&ref_=aufs_ap_sc_dsk
> A a list of the Forth books there:
>
> The Forth Bookshelf
> This is part of the current Forth Bookshelf and some others and can be found at
> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM
>
> 1 Charles Moore - Forth - The Early Years: Background information about the
> beginnings of this Computer Language
>
> 2 Charles Moore - Programming A Problem Oriented Language: Forth - how the
> internals work
>
> 3 Leo Brodie - Starting Forth -The Classic
>
> 4 Leo Wong – Juergen Pintaske – Stephen Pelc FORTH LITE TUTORIAL: Code
> tested with free MPE VFX Forth, SwiftForth and Gforth
>
> 5 Juergen Pintaske – A START WITH FORTH - Bits to Bites Collection
> – 12 Words to start, then 35 Words, Javascript Forth on the Web, more
>
> ( 6 Stephen Pelc - Programming Forth: Version July 2016 )
> ( unfortunatey the availability of this book had to be stopped )
>
> 7 Brad Rodriguez - Moving Forth / TTL CPU / B.Y.O. Assembler
>
> 8 Tim Hentlass - Real Time Forth
>
> 9 Chen-Hanson Ting - Footsteps In An Empty Valley issue 3
>
> 10 Chen-Hanson Ting - Zen and the Forth Language: EFORTH for the
> MSP430G2552 from Texas Instruments
>
> 11 Chen-Hanson Ting - eForth and Zen - 3rd Edition 2017: with 32-bit
> 86eForth v5.2 for Visual Studio 2015
>
> 12 Chen-Hanson Ting - eForth Overview
>
> 13 Chen-Hanson Ting - FIG-Forth Manual Document /Test in 1802 IP
>
> 14 Chen-Hanson Ting - EP32 RISC Processor IP: Description and
> Implementation into FPGA – ASIC tested by NASA
>
> 15 Chen-Hanson Ting – Irriducible Complexity
>
> 16 Chen-Hanson Ting - Arduino controlled by eForth
>
> 17 Chen-Hanson Ting – eForth as Arduino Sketch – no Programmer needed
>
> ( 18 Burkhard Kainka - Learning Programming with MyCo: )
> ( Learning Programming easily - independent of a PC (Forth code to follow soon) )
>
> ( 19 Burkhard Kainka - BBC Micro:bit: Tests Tricks Secrets Code, Additional MicroBit )
> more info to follow when running the Mecrisp Package
>
> ( 20 Burkhard Kainka – Thomas Baum – Web Programming ATYTINY13 )
>
> 21 Georg Heinrichs - The ATTINY Project – Why Forth?
>
> 22 Dr. Karl Meinzer - IPS, a Forth-like language for Space
> Juergen Pintaske, publisher, July 2020

To get started on an Arduino with
eForth as Arduino Sketch, try the 39 steps
https://wiki.forth-ev.de/doku.php/projects:430eforth:start

On Saturday 6 January 2024 at 16:44:47 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> On Saturday 6 January 2024 at 14:12:24 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> > On Saturday 6 January 2024 at 13:53:51 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> > > On Saturday 6 January 2024 at 13:37:13 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> > > > On Saturday 6 January 2024 at 10:50:49 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> > > > > All the Best for 2024 to everybody here.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just to remind everybody about the Forth Books
> > > > > we have published over the years
> > > > > ( and there are a few others, not for Forth on the same page ... )
> > > > > Especially for people who might not have heard about them
> > > > > https://www.amazon.co.uk/stores/Juergen-Pintaske/author/B00N8HVEZM?ref=ap_rdr&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true
> > > > Much of the information in there you can find somewhere on the internet,
> > > > but the idea here was, to have it as a formatted book or eBook.
> > > >
> > > > And I do have the ok from all of the authors to have it published as book.
> > > > Actually you can see some cover pages with the Mug I had sent to the people.
> > > > For example
> > > > https://www.amazon.co.uk/eForth-Zen-32-bit-86eForth-Visual/dp/B08C9761VH/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=HuovT&pf_rd_p=3413293e-3815-4359-96ba-1ec5110e0b30&pf_rd_r=262-6131874-1834657&pd_rd_wg=dsjuG&pd_rd_r=3770eaf4-61d7-47ab-a27a-2c65432eddf4&content-id=amzn1.sym.3413293e-3815-4359-96ba-1ec5110e0b30&ref_=aufs_ap_sc_dsk
> > > Or see the Forth Lite Tutorial and the mug there
> > > https://www.amazon.co.uk/FORTH-LITE-TUTORIAL-compatible-SwiftForth/dp/1717970672/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=HuovT&content-id=amzn1.sym.3413293e-3815-4359-96ba-1ec5110e0b30&pf_rd_p=3413293e-3815-4359-96ba-1ec5110e0b30&pf_rd_r=262-6131874-1834657&pd_rd_wg=dsjuG&pd_rd_r=3770eaf4-61d7-47ab-a27a-2c65432eddf4&ref_=aufs_ap_sc_dsk
> > A a list of the Forth books there:
> >
> > The Forth Bookshelf
> > This is part of the current Forth Bookshelf and some others and can be found at
> > https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM
> >
> > 1 Charles Moore - Forth - The Early Years: Background information about the
> > beginnings of this Computer Language
> >
> > 2 Charles Moore - Programming A Problem Oriented Language: Forth - how the
> > internals work
> >
> > 3 Leo Brodie - Starting Forth -The Classic
> >
> > 4 Leo Wong – Juergen Pintaske – Stephen Pelc FORTH LITE TUTORIAL: Code
> > tested with free MPE VFX Forth, SwiftForth and Gforth
> >
> > 5 Juergen Pintaske – A START WITH FORTH - Bits to Bites Collection
> > – 12 Words to start, then 35 Words, Javascript Forth on the Web, more
> >
> > ( 6 Stephen Pelc - Programming Forth: Version July 2016 )
> > ( unfortunatey the availability of this book had to be stopped )
> >
> > 7 Brad Rodriguez - Moving Forth / TTL CPU / B.Y.O. Assembler
> >
> > 8 Tim Hentlass - Real Time Forth
> >
> > 9 Chen-Hanson Ting - Footsteps In An Empty Valley issue 3
> >
> > 10 Chen-Hanson Ting - Zen and the Forth Language: EFORTH for the
> > MSP430G2552 from Texas Instruments
> >
> > 11 Chen-Hanson Ting - eForth and Zen - 3rd Edition 2017: with 32-bit
> > 86eForth v5.2 for Visual Studio 2015
> >
> > 12 Chen-Hanson Ting - eForth Overview
> >
> > 13 Chen-Hanson Ting - FIG-Forth Manual Document /Test in 1802 IP
> >
> > 14 Chen-Hanson Ting - EP32 RISC Processor IP: Description and
> > Implementation into FPGA – ASIC tested by NASA
> >
> > 15 Chen-Hanson Ting – Irriducible Complexity
> >
> > 16 Chen-Hanson Ting - Arduino controlled by eForth
> >
> > 17 Chen-Hanson Ting – eForth as Arduino Sketch – no Programmer needed
> >
> > ( 18 Burkhard Kainka - Learning Programming with MyCo: )
> > ( Learning Programming easily - independent of a PC (Forth code to follow soon) )
> >
> > ( 19 Burkhard Kainka - BBC Micro:bit: Tests Tricks Secrets Code, Additional MicroBit )
> > more info to follow when running the Mecrisp Package
> >
> > ( 20 Burkhard Kainka – Thomas Baum – Web Programming ATYTINY13 )
> >
> > 21 Georg Heinrichs - The ATTINY Project – Why Forth?
> >
> > 22 Dr. Karl Meinzer - IPS, a Forth-like language for Space
> > Juergen Pintaske, publisher, July 2020
> To get started on an Arduino with
> eForth as Arduino Sketch, try the 39 steps
> https://wiki.forth-ev.de/doku.php/projects:430eforth:start

How much space do you need to print out the eForth Overview?
Exactly 1 page.
OK it is a large page of A1 or A2, but it works - is on my wall at home

Or as printout of many normal pages A4, see
https://wiki.forth-ev.de/doku.php/en:projects:430eforth:start

In article <be0860be-670f-48d8-afa7-b954d98c89fan@googlegroups.com>,
Jurgen Pitaske <jpitaske@gmail.com> wrote:
<NIP>
>9 Chen-Hanson Ting - Footsteps In An Empty Valley issue 3

I have "Footsteps In An Empty Valley" with no mention of issue.
Is that issue 1 ?

Groetjes Albert
--
Don't praise the day before the evening. One swallow doesn't make spring.
You must not say "hey" before you have crossed the bridge. Don't sell the
hide of the bear until you shot it. Better one bird in the hand than ten in
the air. First gain is a cat purring. - the Wise from Antrim -

On Sunday 7 January 2024 at 11:46:36 UTC, none albert wrote:
> In article <be0860be-670f-48d8...@googlegroups.com>,
> Jurgen Pitaske <jpit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> <NIP>
> >9 Chen-Hanson Ting - Footsteps In An Empty Valley issue 3
> I have "Footsteps In An Empty Valley" with no mention of issue.
> Is that issue 1 ?
>
> Groetjes Albert
> --
> Don't praise the day before the evening. One swallow doesn't make spring.
> You must not say "hey" before you have crossed the bridge. Don't sell the
> hide of the bear until you shot it. Better one bird in the hand than ten in
> the air. First gain is a cat purring. - the Wise from Antrim -

I am sorry, but this is the version Isaue 3 Ting gave me to convert into a book.
We had hoped that Ting would be there in the background to help with any questions.
Which is unfortunately not the case now.

In article <9c2b6fd7-7d87-4ed4-8eea-b5f801fa173an@googlegroups.com>,
Jurgen Pitaske <jpitaske@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sunday 7 January 2024 at 11:46:36 UTC, none albert wrote:
>> In article <be0860be-670f-48d8...@googlegroups.com>,
>> Jurgen Pitaske <jpit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> <NIP>
>> >9 Chen-Hanson Ting - Footsteps In An Empty Valley issue 3
>> I have "Footsteps In An Empty Valley" with no mention of issue.
>> Is that issue 1 ?
>>
>> Groetjes Albert
>
>I am sorry, but this is the version Isaue 3 Ting gave me to convert into a book.
>We had hoped that Ting would be there in the background to help with any questions.
>Which is unfortunately not the case now.

Can that be any chance be Third *Edition* March 1988 ?
Then we have the same book.
My content reads:
1.1 The von Neumann machine instruction set
1.2 .. RISC..
1.3 .. NC4000 ..

2.1 NC4000 pin names an functions.
2.2 ..

3.1 ALU code and functions
3.2 Y-port ..
3.3 ... stack ..
3.4 shift ..
3.5 .. ALU ..
3.6 .. I/O ..
3.7 .. internal registers ..
3.8 .. bits .. i/o registers
4.1 pins ..
6.1 .. cycles ..

Can you comment on the antiquarian value?

Groetjes Albert
--
Don't praise the day before the evening. One swallow doesn't make spring.
You must not say "hey" before you have crossed the bridge. Don't sell the
hide of the bear until you shot it. Better one bird in the hand than ten in
the air. First gain is a cat purring. - the Wise from Antrim -

On Sunday 7 January 2024 at 15:36:49 UTC, none albert wrote:
> In article <9c2b6fd7-7d87-4ed4...@googlegroups.com>,
> Jurgen Pitaske <jpit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Sunday 7 January 2024 at 11:46:36 UTC, none albert wrote:
> >> In article <be0860be-670f-48d8...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> Jurgen Pitaske <jpit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> <NIP>
> >> >9 Chen-Hanson Ting - Footsteps In An Empty Valley issue 3
> >> I have "Footsteps In An Empty Valley" with no mention of issue.
> >> Is that issue 1 ?
> >>
> >> Groetjes Albert
> >
> >I am sorry, but this is the version Isaue 3 Ting gave me to convert into a book.
> >We had hoped that Ting would be there in the background to help with any questions.
> >Which is unfortunately not the case now.
> Can that be any chance be Third *Edition* March 1988 ?
> Then we have the same book.
> My content reads:
> 1.1 The von Neumann machine instruction set
> 1.2 .. RISC..
> 1.3 .. NC4000 ..
>
> 2.1 NC4000 pin names an functions.
> 2.2 ..
>
> 3.1 ALU code and functions
> 3.2 Y-port ..
> 3.3 ... stack ..
> 3.4 shift ..
> 3.5 .. ALU ..
> 3.6 .. I/O ..
> 3.7 .. internal registers ..
> 3.8 .. bits .. i/o registers
> 4.1 pins ..
> 6.1 .. cycles ..
>
> Can you comment on the antiquarian value?
> Groetjes Albert
> --
> Don't praise the day before the evening. One swallow doesn't make spring.
> You must not say "hey" before you have crossed the bridge. Don't sell the
> hide of the bear until you shot it. Better one bird in the hand than ten in
> the air. First gain is a cat purring. - the Wise from Antrim -

Copy of the contents pages from the upload of the book:

Contents
( page numbers are from the printed version )
Preface for the Third Edition
i
Forward for the First Edition
iii
My Electronic Bookshelf
v
Contents
ix
Figures
xii
Tables
xiv
Chapter 1
Introduction 1
1.1
Historical background 1
1.2
RISC Panacea 2

Chapter2
The NC4000 Chip 7
2.1
Features of NC4000 chip 7
2.2
External data paths 7
2.2.1
Main memory 11
2.2.2
Data stack and return stack 11
2.2.3
B-port and X-port 12
2.2.4
System timing and control 13
2.3
NC4000 architecture 14
2.3.1
The internal registers 14
2.3.2
Program sequencer 16
2.3.3
Data stack and return Stack 17
2.3.4
Arithmetic Logic Unit (ALU) 18
2.3.5
The I/0 ports 20

Chapter 3
The Instruction Set of NC4000 22
3.1
Classification of NC4000 instructions 23
3.2
ALU instructions 26
3.3
I/0 and memory instructions 31
3.4
Graphic models of some NC4000 instructions 33
3.4.1
Model of NC4000 ALU 34
3.4.2
The SWAP group 35
3.4.3
The DUP group 37
3.4.4
The binary ALU group 38
3.4.5
The multiply/divide group 39
3.4.6
Miscellaneous instructions 42

Chapter 4
NC4000 Computers 45
4.1
Commercial products using NC4000 chip 45
4.1.1
The early alphabetic boards 45
4.1.2
The Forthkits from Computer Cowboys 46
4.1.3
Products from Novix, Inc. 46
4.1.4
Products from Silicon Composers 47
4.1.5
Other companies and products 47
4.1.6
List of manufacturers 48
4.2
Build your own NC4000 computer 48
4.2.1
The CPU section 49
4.2.2
I/0 ports 50
4.2.3
Main memory 51
4.2.4
Data stack and return stack 53
4.3
Circuit boards for NC4000 computer 54
4.4
Hardware enhancements 55
4.4.1
PAL memory decoder OF5138 55
4.4.2
Stack expansion counter OF5493 57
4.4.3
Another novel memory decoding technique 58

Chapter 5
The cmForth Operating System 61
5.1
The kernel 61
5.1.1
The primitive Forth words 61
5.1.2
Memory accessing words 63
5.1.3
Multiply and divide 65
5.2
System variables 67
5.3
Terminal input and output 68
5.3.1
Primitive input and output words 68
5.3.2
Line input and output words 69
5.4
Number conversion 70
5.4.1
Convert digits to binary number 70
5.4.2
Convert binary number to ASCII string 72
5.4.3
Memory dump 73
5.4.4
Message output 74
5.5
Serial disk 75
5.5.1
Disk buffer manager 75
5.5.2
Disk read and write 77
5.6
The text interpreter 79
5.6.1
Parsing of words 79
5.6.2
Dictionary search 80
5.6.3
The interpreter 83
5.6.4
Power up and reset 84
5.7
Compiler 87
5.7.1
Compiler loop 87
5.7.2
Defining words 91
5.7.3
Control structures 93
5.7.4
NC4000 assembler 95
5.7.5
Compiler vocabulary 99
5.8
Optimizing compiler 99
5.8.1
Smart ; compiler 100
5.8.2
Smart ALU function compiler 101
5.8.3
Shift compiler 103
5.8.4
Merging of DUP 104
5.9
The target compiler 104
5.9.1
Utility compiler 105
5.9.2
Target dictionary 106
5.9.3
Variables in target dictionary 107
5.9.4
Separate target and host dictionary 108
5.9.5
Target compiler in action 109

Chapter 6
Programming Tips 112
6.1
Benchmarks 112
6.2
WORDS—listing the vocabulary 113
6.3
Memory dump 115
6.4
Line editor 116
6.5
Stack pictures 118
6.6
Display internal registers 119
6.7
Input and output 120
6.8
PICK and ROLL 122
6.9
Square-root 123
6.10
Terminal and disk server on IBM-PC 124
6.11
Arcsine by interpolation 127
6.12
High speed pattern generator 128
6.13
A/D conversion with NC4000 132
6.14
Fast byte flip 135
6.15
More vocabularies 136

Appendix A
cmForth Source Listing 138
Appendix B
cmForth Glossary 164
Index 170

This is what came from Ting to me originally
and he wanted to have edited, formatted and published on amazon

On Sunday 7 January 2024 at 18:21:59 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> On Sunday 7 January 2024 at 15:36:49 UTC, none albert wrote:
> > In article <9c2b6fd7-7d87-4ed4...@googlegroups.com>,
> > Jurgen Pitaske <jpit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >On Sunday 7 January 2024 at 11:46:36 UTC, none albert wrote:
> > >> In article <be0860be-670f-48d8...@googlegroups.com>,
> > >> Jurgen Pitaske <jpit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> <NIP>
> > >> >9 Chen-Hanson Ting - Footsteps In An Empty Valley issue 3
> > >> I have "Footsteps In An Empty Valley" with no mention of issue.
> > >> Is that issue 1 ?
> > >>
> > >> Groetjes Albert
> > >
> > >I am sorry, but this is the version Isaue 3 Ting gave me to convert into a book.
> > >We had hoped that Ting would be there in the background to help with any questions.
> > >Which is unfortunately not the case now.
> > Can that be any chance be Third *Edition* March 1988 ?
> > Then we have the same book.
> > My content reads:
> > 1.1 The von Neumann machine instruction set
> > 1.2 .. RISC..
> > 1.3 .. NC4000 ..
> >
> > 2.1 NC4000 pin names an functions.
> > 2.2 ..
> >
> > 3.1 ALU code and functions
> > 3.2 Y-port ..
> > 3.3 ... stack ..
> > 3.4 shift ..
> > 3.5 .. ALU ..
> > 3.6 .. I/O ..
> > 3.7 .. internal registers ..
> > 3.8 .. bits .. i/o registers
> > 4.1 pins ..
> > 6.1 .. cycles ..
> >
> > Can you comment on the antiquarian value?
> > Groetjes Albert
> > --
> > Don't praise the day before the evening. One swallow doesn't make spring.
> > You must not say "hey" before you have crossed the bridge. Don't sell the
> > hide of the bear until you shot it. Better one bird in the hand than ten in
> > the air. First gain is a cat purring. - the Wise from Antrim -
> Copy of the contents pages from the upload of the book:
>
> Contents
> ( page numbers are from the printed version )
> Preface for the Third Edition
> i
> Forward for the First Edition
> iii
> My Electronic Bookshelf
> v
> Contents
> ix
> Figures
> xii
> Tables
> xiv
>
> Chapter 1
> Introduction 1
> 1.1
> Historical background 1
> 1.2
> RISC Panacea 2
>
> Chapter2
> The NC4000 Chip 7
> 2.1
> Features of NC4000 chip 7
> 2.2
> External data paths 7
> 2.2.1
> Main memory 11
> 2.2.2
> Data stack and return stack 11
> 2.2.3
> B-port and X-port 12
> 2.2.4
> System timing and control 13
> 2.3
> NC4000 architecture 14
> 2.3.1
> The internal registers 14
> 2.3.2
> Program sequencer 16
> 2.3.3
> Data stack and return Stack 17
> 2.3.4
> Arithmetic Logic Unit (ALU) 18
> 2.3.5
> The I/0 ports 20
>
> Chapter 3
> The Instruction Set of NC4000 22
> 3.1
> Classification of NC4000 instructions 23
> 3.2
> ALU instructions 26
> 3.3
> I/0 and memory instructions 31
> 3.4
> Graphic models of some NC4000 instructions 33
> 3.4.1
> Model of NC4000 ALU 34
> 3.4.2
> The SWAP group 35
> 3.4.3
> The DUP group 37
> 3.4.4
> The binary ALU group 38
> 3.4.5
> The multiply/divide group 39
> 3.4.6
> Miscellaneous instructions 42
>
> Chapter 4
> NC4000 Computers 45
> 4.1
> Commercial products using NC4000 chip 45
> 4.1.1
> The early alphabetic boards 45
> 4.1.2
> The Forthkits from Computer Cowboys 46
> 4.1.3
> Products from Novix, Inc. 46
> 4.1.4
> Products from Silicon Composers 47
> 4.1.5
> Other companies and products 47
> 4.1.6
> List of manufacturers 48
> 4.2
> Build your own NC4000 computer 48
> 4.2.1
> The CPU section 49
> 4.2.2
> I/0 ports 50
> 4.2.3
> Main memory 51
> 4.2.4
> Data stack and return stack 53
> 4.3
> Circuit boards for NC4000 computer 54
> 4.4
> Hardware enhancements 55
> 4.4.1
> PAL memory decoder OF5138 55
> 4.4.2
> Stack expansion counter OF5493 57
> 4.4.3
> Another novel memory decoding technique 58
>
> Chapter 5
> The cmForth Operating System 61
> 5.1
> The kernel 61
> 5.1.1
> The primitive Forth words 61
> 5.1.2
> Memory accessing words 63
> 5.1.3
> Multiply and divide 65
> 5.2
> System variables 67
> 5.3
> Terminal input and output 68
> 5.3.1
> Primitive input and output words 68
> 5.3.2
> Line input and output words 69
> 5.4
> Number conversion 70
> 5.4.1
> Convert digits to binary number 70
> 5.4.2
> Convert binary number to ASCII string 72
> 5.4.3
> Memory dump 73
> 5.4.4
> Message output 74
> 5.5
> Serial disk 75
> 5.5.1
> Disk buffer manager 75
> 5.5.2
> Disk read and write 77
> 5.6
> The text interpreter 79
> 5.6.1
> Parsing of words 79
> 5.6.2
> Dictionary search 80
> 5.6.3
> The interpreter 83
> 5.6.4
> Power up and reset 84
> 5.7
> Compiler 87
> 5.7.1
> Compiler loop 87
> 5.7.2
> Defining words 91
> 5.7.3
> Control structures 93
> 5.7.4
> NC4000 assembler 95
> 5.7.5
> Compiler vocabulary 99
> 5.8
> Optimizing compiler 99
> 5.8.1
> Smart ; compiler 100
> 5.8.2
> Smart ALU function compiler 101
> 5.8.3
> Shift compiler 103
> 5.8.4
> Merging of DUP 104
> 5.9
> The target compiler 104
> 5.9.1
> Utility compiler 105
> 5.9.2
> Target dictionary 106
> 5.9.3
> Variables in target dictionary 107
> 5.9.4
> Separate target and host dictionary 108
> 5.9.5
> Target compiler in action 109
>
> Chapter 6
> Programming Tips 112
> 6.1
> Benchmarks 112
> 6.2
> WORDS—listing the vocabulary 113
> 6.3
> Memory dump 115
> 6.4
> Line editor 116
> 6.5
> Stack pictures 118
> 6.6
> Display internal registers 119
> 6.7
> Input and output 120
> 6.8
> PICK and ROLL 122
> 6.9
> Square-root 123
> 6.10
> Terminal and disk server on IBM-PC 124
> 6.11
> Arcsine by interpolation 127
> 6.12
> High speed pattern generator 128
> 6.13
> A/D conversion with NC4000 132
> 6.14
> Fast byte flip 135
> 6.15
> More vocabularies 136
>
> Appendix A
> cmForth Source Listing 138
> Appendix B
> cmForth Glossary 164
> Index 170
>
> This is what came from Ting to me originally
> and he wanted to have edited, formatted and published on amazon

Having had a look elsewhere, it is probably closest to
http://forth.org/OffeteStore/OffeteStore.html

In article <14cf69c7-e76b-4ac0-b6ef-5bda97d9a01fn@googlegroups.com>,
Jurgen Pitaske <jpitaske@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sunday 7 January 2024 at 18:21:59 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
>> On Sunday 7 January 2024 at 15:36:49 UTC, none albert wrote:
>> > In article <9c2b6fd7-7d87-4ed4...@googlegroups.com>,
>> > Jurgen Pitaske <jpit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >On Sunday 7 January 2024 at 11:46:36 UTC, none albert wrote:
>> > >> In article <be0860be-670f-48d8...@googlegroups.com>,
>> > >> Jurgen Pitaske <jpit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> <NIP>
>> > >> >9 Chen-Hanson Ting - Footsteps In An Empty Valley issue 3
>> > >> I have "Footsteps In An Empty Valley" with no mention of issue.
>> > >> Is that issue 1 ?
>> > >>
>> > >> Groetjes Albert
>> > >
>> > >I am sorry, but this is the version Isaue 3 Ting gave me to convert into a book.
>> > >We had hoped that Ting would be there in the background to help with any questions.
>> > >Which is unfortunately not the case now.
>> > Can that be any chance be Third *Edition* March 1988 ?
>> > Then we have the same book.
>> > My content reads:
>> > 1.1 The von Neumann machine instruction set
>> > 1.2 .. RISC..
>> > 1.3 .. NC4000 ..
>> >
>> > 2.1 NC4000 pin names an functions.
>> > 2.2 ..
>> >
>> > 3.1 ALU code and functions
>> > 3.2 Y-port ..
>> > 3.3 ... stack ..
>> > 3.4 shift ..
>> > 3.5 .. ALU ..
>> > 3.6 .. I/O ..
>> > 3.7 .. internal registers ..
>> > 3.8 .. bits .. i/o registers
>> > 4.1 pins ..
>> > 6.1 .. cycles ..
>> >
>> > Can you comment on the antiquarian value?
>> > Groetjes Albert
>> > --
>> > Don't praise the day before the evening. One swallow doesn't make spring.
>> > You must not say "hey" before you have crossed the bridge. Don't sell the
>> > hide of the bear until you shot it. Better one bird in the hand than ten in
>> > the air. First gain is a cat purring. - the Wise from Antrim -
>> Copy of the contents pages from the upload of the book:
>>
>> Contents
>> ( page numbers are from the printed version )
>> Preface for the Third Edition
>> i
>> Forward for the First Edition
>> iii
>> My Electronic Bookshelf
>> v
>> Contents
>> ix
>> Figures
>> xii
>> Tables
>> xiv
>>
>> Chapter 1
>> Introduction 1
>> 1.1
>> Historical background 1
>> 1.2
>> RISC Panacea 2
>>
>> Chapter2
>> The NC4000 Chip 7
>> 2.1
>> Features of NC4000 chip 7
>> 2.2
>> External data paths 7
>> 2.2.1
>> Main memory 11
>> 2.2.2
>> Data stack and return stack 11
>> 2.2.3
>> B-port and X-port 12
>> 2.2.4
>> System timing and control 13
>> 2.3
>> NC4000 architecture 14
>> 2.3.1
>> The internal registers 14
>> 2.3.2
>> Program sequencer 16
>> 2.3.3
>> Data stack and return Stack 17
>> 2.3.4
>> Arithmetic Logic Unit (ALU) 18
>> 2.3.5
>> The I/0 ports 20
>>
>> Chapter 3
>> The Instruction Set of NC4000 22
>> 3.1
>> Classification of NC4000 instructions 23
>> 3.2
>> ALU instructions 26
>> 3.3
>> I/0 and memory instructions 31
>> 3.4
>> Graphic models of some NC4000 instructions 33
>> 3.4.1
>> Model of NC4000 ALU 34
>> 3.4.2
>> The SWAP group 35
>> 3.4.3
>> The DUP group 37
>> 3.4.4
>> The binary ALU group 38
>> 3.4.5
>> The multiply/divide group 39
>> 3.4.6
>> Miscellaneous instructions 42
>>
>> Chapter 4
>> NC4000 Computers 45
>> 4.1
>> Commercial products using NC4000 chip 45
>> 4.1.1
>> The early alphabetic boards 45
>> 4.1.2
>> The Forthkits from Computer Cowboys 46
>> 4.1.3
>> Products from Novix, Inc. 46
>> 4.1.4
>> Products from Silicon Composers 47
>> 4.1.5
>> Other companies and products 47
>> 4.1.6
>> List of manufacturers 48
>> 4.2
>> Build your own NC4000 computer 48
>> 4.2.1
>> The CPU section 49
>> 4.2.2
>> I/0 ports 50
>> 4.2.3
>> Main memory 51
>> 4.2.4
>> Data stack and return stack 53
>> 4.3
>> Circuit boards for NC4000 computer 54
>> 4.4
>> Hardware enhancements 55
>> 4.4.1
>> PAL memory decoder OF5138 55
>> 4.4.2
>> Stack expansion counter OF5493 57
>> 4.4.3
>> Another novel memory decoding technique 58
>>
>> Chapter 5
>> The cmForth Operating System 61
>> 5.1
>> The kernel 61
>> 5.1.1
>> The primitive Forth words 61
>> 5.1.2
>> Memory accessing words 63
>> 5.1.3
>> Multiply and divide 65
>> 5.2
>> System variables 67
>> 5.3
>> Terminal input and output 68
>> 5.3.1
>> Primitive input and output words 68
>> 5.3.2
>> Line input and output words 69
>> 5.4
>> Number conversion 70
>> 5.4.1
>> Convert digits to binary number 70
>> 5.4.2
>> Convert binary number to ASCII string 72
>> 5.4.3
>> Memory dump 73
>> 5.4.4
>> Message output 74
>> 5.5
>> Serial disk 75
>> 5.5.1
>> Disk buffer manager 75
>> 5.5.2
>> Disk read and write 77
>> 5.6
>> The text interpreter 79
>> 5.6.1
>> Parsing of words 79
>> 5.6.2
>> Dictionary search 80
>> 5.6.3
>> The interpreter 83
>> 5.6.4
>> Power up and reset 84
>> 5.7
>> Compiler 87
>> 5.7.1
>> Compiler loop 87
>> 5.7.2
>> Defining words 91
>> 5.7.3
>> Control structures 93
>> 5.7.4
>> NC4000 assembler 95
>> 5.7.5
>> Compiler vocabulary 99
>> 5.8
>> Optimizing compiler 99
>> 5.8.1
>> Smart ; compiler 100
>> 5.8.2
>> Smart ALU function compiler 101
>> 5.8.3
>> Shift compiler 103
>> 5.8.4
>> Merging of DUP 104
>> 5.9
>> The target compiler 104
>> 5.9.1
>> Utility compiler 105
>> 5.9.2
>> Target dictionary 106
>> 5.9.3
>> Variables in target dictionary 107
>> 5.9.4
>> Separate target and host dictionary 108
>> 5.9.5
>> Target compiler in action 109
>>
>> Chapter 6
>> Programming Tips 112
>> 6.1
>> Benchmarks 112
>> 6.2
>> WORDS—listing the vocabulary 113
>> 6.3
>> Memory dump 115
>> 6.4
>> Line editor 116
>> 6.5
>> Stack pictures 118
>> 6.6
>> Display internal registers 119
>> 6.7
>> Input and output 120
>> 6.8
>> PICK and ROLL 122
>> 6.9
>> Square-root 123
>> 6.10
>> Terminal and disk server on IBM-PC 124
>> 6.11
>> Arcsine by interpolation 127
>> 6.12
>> High speed pattern generator 128
>> 6.13
>> A/D conversion with NC4000 132
>> 6.14
>> Fast byte flip 135
>> 6.15
>> More vocabularies 136
>>
>> Appendix A
>> cmForth Source Listing 138
>> Appendix B
>> cmForth Glossary 164
>> Index 170
>>
>> This is what came from Ting to me originally
>> and he wanted to have edited, formatted and published on amazon
>
>Having had a look elsewhere, it is probably closest to
>http://forth.org/OffeteStore/OffeteStore.html
>

Definitely the same book.

Groetjes Albert
--
Don't praise the day before the evening. One swallow doesn't make spring.
You must not say "hey" before you have crossed the bridge. Don't sell the
hide of the bear until you shot it. Better one bird in the hand than ten in
the air. First gain is a cat purring. - the Wise from Antrim -

On Sunday 7 January 2024 at 23:41:08 UTC, none albert wrote:
> In article <14cf69c7-e76b-4ac0...@googlegroups.com>,
> Jurgen Pitaske <jpit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Sunday 7 January 2024 at 18:21:59 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> >> On Sunday 7 January 2024 at 15:36:49 UTC, none albert wrote:
> >> > In article <9c2b6fd7-7d87-4ed4...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> > Jurgen Pitaske <jpit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >On Sunday 7 January 2024 at 11:46:36 UTC, none albert wrote:
> >> > >> In article <be0860be-670f-48d8...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> > >> Jurgen Pitaske <jpit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >> <NIP>
> >> > >> >9 Chen-Hanson Ting - Footsteps In An Empty Valley issue 3
> >> > >> I have "Footsteps In An Empty Valley" with no mention of issue.
> >> > >> Is that issue 1 ?
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Groetjes Albert
> >> > >
> >> > >I am sorry, but this is the version Isaue 3 Ting gave me to convert into a book.
> >> > >We had hoped that Ting would be there in the background to help with any questions.
> >> > >Which is unfortunately not the case now.
> >> > Can that be any chance be Third *Edition* March 1988 ?
> >> > Then we have the same book.
> >> > My content reads:
> >> > 1.1 The von Neumann machine instruction set
> >> > 1.2 .. RISC..
> >> > 1.3 .. NC4000 ..
> >> >
> >> > 2.1 NC4000 pin names an functions.
> >> > 2.2 ..
> >> >
> >> > 3.1 ALU code and functions
> >> > 3.2 Y-port ..
> >> > 3.3 ... stack ..
> >> > 3.4 shift ..
> >> > 3.5 .. ALU ..
> >> > 3.6 .. I/O ..
> >> > 3.7 .. internal registers ..
> >> > 3.8 .. bits .. i/o registers
> >> > 4.1 pins ..
> >> > 6.1 .. cycles ..
> >> >
> >> > Can you comment on the antiquarian value?
> >> > Groetjes Albert
> >> > --
> >> > Don't praise the day before the evening. One swallow doesn't make spring.
> >> > You must not say "hey" before you have crossed the bridge. Don't sell the
> >> > hide of the bear until you shot it. Better one bird in the hand than ten in
> >> > the air. First gain is a cat purring. - the Wise from Antrim -
> >> Copy of the contents pages from the upload of the book:
> >>
> >> Contents
> >> ( page numbers are from the printed version )
> >> Preface for the Third Edition
> >> i
> >> Forward for the First Edition
> >> iii
> >> My Electronic Bookshelf
> >> v
> >> Contents
> >> ix
> >> Figures
> >> xii
> >> Tables
> >> xiv
> >>
> >> Chapter 1
> >> Introduction 1
> >> 1.1
> >> Historical background 1
> >> 1.2
> >> RISC Panacea 2
> >>
> >> Chapter2
> >> The NC4000 Chip 7
> >> 2.1
> >> Features of NC4000 chip 7
> >> 2.2
> >> External data paths 7
> >> 2.2.1
> >> Main memory 11
> >> 2.2.2
> >> Data stack and return stack 11
> >> 2.2.3
> >> B-port and X-port 12
> >> 2.2.4
> >> System timing and control 13
> >> 2.3
> >> NC4000 architecture 14
> >> 2.3.1
> >> The internal registers 14
> >> 2.3.2
> >> Program sequencer 16
> >> 2.3.3
> >> Data stack and return Stack 17
> >> 2.3.4
> >> Arithmetic Logic Unit (ALU) 18
> >> 2.3.5
> >> The I/0 ports 20
> >>
> >> Chapter 3
> >> The Instruction Set of NC4000 22
> >> 3.1
> >> Classification of NC4000 instructions 23
> >> 3.2
> >> ALU instructions 26
> >> 3.3
> >> I/0 and memory instructions 31
> >> 3.4
> >> Graphic models of some NC4000 instructions 33
> >> 3.4.1
> >> Model of NC4000 ALU 34
> >> 3.4.2
> >> The SWAP group 35
> >> 3.4.3
> >> The DUP group 37
> >> 3.4.4
> >> The binary ALU group 38
> >> 3.4.5
> >> The multiply/divide group 39
> >> 3.4.6
> >> Miscellaneous instructions 42
> >>
> >> Chapter 4
> >> NC4000 Computers 45
> >> 4.1
> >> Commercial products using NC4000 chip 45
> >> 4.1.1
> >> The early alphabetic boards 45
> >> 4.1.2
> >> The Forthkits from Computer Cowboys 46
> >> 4.1.3
> >> Products from Novix, Inc. 46
> >> 4.1.4
> >> Products from Silicon Composers 47
> >> 4.1.5
> >> Other companies and products 47
> >> 4.1.6
> >> List of manufacturers 48
> >> 4.2
> >> Build your own NC4000 computer 48
> >> 4.2.1
> >> The CPU section 49
> >> 4.2.2
> >> I/0 ports 50
> >> 4.2.3
> >> Main memory 51
> >> 4.2.4
> >> Data stack and return stack 53
> >> 4.3
> >> Circuit boards for NC4000 computer 54
> >> 4.4
> >> Hardware enhancements 55
> >> 4.4.1
> >> PAL memory decoder OF5138 55
> >> 4.4.2
> >> Stack expansion counter OF5493 57
> >> 4.4.3
> >> Another novel memory decoding technique 58
> >>
> >> Chapter 5
> >> The cmForth Operating System 61
> >> 5.1
> >> The kernel 61
> >> 5.1.1
> >> The primitive Forth words 61
> >> 5.1.2
> >> Memory accessing words 63
> >> 5.1.3
> >> Multiply and divide 65
> >> 5.2
> >> System variables 67
> >> 5.3
> >> Terminal input and output 68
> >> 5.3.1
> >> Primitive input and output words 68
> >> 5.3.2
> >> Line input and output words 69
> >> 5.4
> >> Number conversion 70
> >> 5.4.1
> >> Convert digits to binary number 70
> >> 5.4.2
> >> Convert binary number to ASCII string 72
> >> 5.4.3
> >> Memory dump 73
> >> 5.4.4
> >> Message output 74
> >> 5.5
> >> Serial disk 75
> >> 5.5.1
> >> Disk buffer manager 75
> >> 5.5.2
> >> Disk read and write 77
> >> 5.6
> >> The text interpreter 79
> >> 5.6.1
> >> Parsing of words 79
> >> 5.6.2
> >> Dictionary search 80
> >> 5.6.3
> >> The interpreter 83
> >> 5.6.4
> >> Power up and reset 84
> >> 5.7
> >> Compiler 87
> >> 5.7.1
> >> Compiler loop 87
> >> 5.7.2
> >> Defining words 91
> >> 5.7.3
> >> Control structures 93
> >> 5.7.4
> >> NC4000 assembler 95
> >> 5.7.5
> >> Compiler vocabulary 99
> >> 5.8
> >> Optimizing compiler 99
> >> 5.8.1
> >> Smart ; compiler 100
> >> 5.8.2
> >> Smart ALU function compiler 101
> >> 5.8.3
> >> Shift compiler 103
> >> 5.8.4
> >> Merging of DUP 104
> >> 5.9
> >> The target compiler 104
> >> 5.9.1
> >> Utility compiler 105
> >> 5.9.2
> >> Target dictionary 106
> >> 5.9.3
> >> Variables in target dictionary 107
> >> 5.9.4
> >> Separate target and host dictionary 108
> >> 5.9.5
> >> Target compiler in action 109
> >>
> >> Chapter 6
> >> Programming Tips 112
> >> 6.1
> >> Benchmarks 112
> >> 6.2
> >> WORDS—listing the vocabulary 113
> >> 6.3
> >> Memory dump 115
> >> 6.4
> >> Line editor 116
> >> 6.5
> >> Stack pictures 118
> >> 6.6
> >> Display internal registers 119
> >> 6.7
> >> Input and output 120
> >> 6.8
> >> PICK and ROLL 122
> >> 6.9
> >> Square-root 123
> >> 6.10
> >> Terminal and disk server on IBM-PC 124
> >> 6.11
> >> Arcsine by interpolation 127
> >> 6.12
> >> High speed pattern generator 128
> >> 6.13
> >> A/D conversion with NC4000 132
> >> 6.14
> >> Fast byte flip 135
> >> 6.15
> >> More vocabularies 136
> >>
> >> Appendix A
> >> cmForth Source Listing 138
> >> Appendix B
> >> cmForth Glossary 164
> >> Index 170
> >>
> >> This is what came from Ting to me originally
> >> and he wanted to have edited, formatted and published on amazon
> >
> >Having had a look elsewhere, it is probably closest to
> >http://forth.org/OffeteStore/OffeteStore.html
> >
> Definitely the same book.
> Groetjes Albert
> --
> Don't praise the day before the evening. One swallow doesn't make spring.
> You must not say "hey" before you have crossed the bridge. Don't sell the
> hide of the bear until you shot it. Better one bird in the hand than ten in
> the air. First gain is a cat purring. - the Wise from Antrim -

On 9/01/2024 3:49 am, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> On Sunday 7 January 2024 at 23:41:08 UTC, none albert wrote:
>> In article <14cf69c7-e76b-4ac0...@googlegroups.com>,
>> Jurgen Pitaske <jpit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sunday 7 January 2024 at 18:21:59 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
>>>> On Sunday 7 January 2024 at 15:36:49 UTC, none albert wrote:
>>>>> In article <9c2b6fd7-7d87-4ed4...@googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> Jurgen Pitaske <jpit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sunday 7 January 2024 at 11:46:36 UTC, none albert wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <be0860be-670f-48d8...@googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>>> Jurgen Pitaske <jpit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> <NIP>
>>>>>>>> 9 Chen-Hanson Ting - Footsteps In An Empty Valley issue 3
>>>>>>> I have "Footsteps In An Empty Valley" with no mention of issue.
>>>>>>> Is that issue 1 ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Groetjes Albert
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am sorry, but this is the version Isaue 3 Ting gave me to convert into a book.
>>>>>> We had hoped that Ting would be there in the background to help with any questions.
>>>>>> Which is unfortunately not the case now.
>>>>> Can that be any chance be Third *Edition* March 1988 ?
>>>>> Then we have the same book.
>>>>> My content reads:
>>>>> 1.1 The von Neumann machine instruction set
>>>>> 1.2 .. RISC..
>>>>> 1.3 .. NC4000 ..
>>>>>
>>>>> 2.1 NC4000 pin names an functions.
>>>>> 2.2 ..
>>>>>
>>>>> 3.1 ALU code and functions
>>>>> 3.2 Y-port ..
>>>>> 3.3 ... stack ..
>>>>> 3.4 shift ..
>>>>> 3.5 .. ALU ..
>>>>> 3.6 .. I/O ..
>>>>> 3.7 .. internal registers ..
>>>>> 3.8 .. bits .. i/o registers
>>>>> 4.1 pins ..
>>>>> 6.1 .. cycles ..
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you comment on the antiquarian value?
>>>>> Groetjes Albert
>>>>> --
>>>>> Don't praise the day before the evening. One swallow doesn't make spring.
>>>>> You must not say "hey" before you have crossed the bridge. Don't sell the
>>>>> hide of the bear until you shot it. Better one bird in the hand than ten in
>>>>> the air. First gain is a cat purring. - the Wise from Antrim -
>>>> Copy of the contents pages from the upload of the book:
>>>>
>>>> Contents
>>>> ( page numbers are from the printed version )
>>>> Preface for the Third Edition
>>>> i
>>>> Forward for the First Edition
>>>> iii
>>>> My Electronic Bookshelf
>>>> v
>>>> Contents
>>>> ix
>>>> Figures
>>>> xii
>>>> Tables
>>>> xiv
>>>>
>>>> Chapter 1
>>>> Introduction 1
>>>> 1.1
>>>> Historical background 1
>>>> 1.2
>>>> RISC Panacea 2
>>>>
>>>> Chapter2
>>>> The NC4000 Chip 7
>>>> 2.1
>>>> Features of NC4000 chip 7
>>>> 2.2
>>>> External data paths 7
>>>> 2.2.1
>>>> Main memory 11
>>>> 2.2.2
>>>> Data stack and return stack 11
>>>> 2.2.3
>>>> B-port and X-port 12
>>>> 2.2.4
>>>> System timing and control 13
>>>> 2.3
>>>> NC4000 architecture 14
>>>> 2.3.1
>>>> The internal registers 14
>>>> 2.3.2
>>>> Program sequencer 16
>>>> 2.3.3
>>>> Data stack and return Stack 17
>>>> 2.3.4
>>>> Arithmetic Logic Unit (ALU) 18
>>>> 2.3.5
>>>> The I/0 ports 20
>>>>
>>>> Chapter 3
>>>> The Instruction Set of NC4000 22
>>>> 3.1
>>>> Classification of NC4000 instructions 23
>>>> 3.2
>>>> ALU instructions 26
>>>> 3.3
>>>> I/0 and memory instructions 31
>>>> 3.4
>>>> Graphic models of some NC4000 instructions 33
>>>> 3.4.1
>>>> Model of NC4000 ALU 34
>>>> 3.4.2
>>>> The SWAP group 35
>>>> 3.4.3
>>>> The DUP group 37
>>>> 3.4.4
>>>> The binary ALU group 38
>>>> 3.4.5
>>>> The multiply/divide group 39
>>>> 3.4.6
>>>> Miscellaneous instructions 42
>>>>
>>>> Chapter 4
>>>> NC4000 Computers 45
>>>> 4.1
>>>> Commercial products using NC4000 chip 45
>>>> 4.1.1
>>>> The early alphabetic boards 45
>>>> 4.1.2
>>>> The Forthkits from Computer Cowboys 46
>>>> 4.1.3
>>>> Products from Novix, Inc. 46
>>>> 4.1.4
>>>> Products from Silicon Composers 47
>>>> 4.1.5
>>>> Other companies and products 47
>>>> 4.1.6
>>>> List of manufacturers 48
>>>> 4.2
>>>> Build your own NC4000 computer 48
>>>> 4.2.1
>>>> The CPU section 49
>>>> 4.2.2
>>>> I/0 ports 50
>>>> 4.2.3
>>>> Main memory 51
>>>> 4.2.4
>>>> Data stack and return stack 53
>>>> 4.3
>>>> Circuit boards for NC4000 computer 54
>>>> 4.4
>>>> Hardware enhancements 55
>>>> 4.4.1
>>>> PAL memory decoder OF5138 55
>>>> 4.4.2
>>>> Stack expansion counter OF5493 57
>>>> 4.4.3
>>>> Another novel memory decoding technique 58
>>>>
>>>> Chapter 5
>>>> The cmForth Operating System 61
>>>> 5.1
>>>> The kernel 61
>>>> 5.1.1
>>>> The primitive Forth words 61
>>>> 5.1.2
>>>> Memory accessing words 63
>>>> 5.1.3
>>>> Multiply and divide 65
>>>> 5.2
>>>> System variables 67
>>>> 5.3
>>>> Terminal input and output 68
>>>> 5.3.1
>>>> Primitive input and output words 68
>>>> 5.3.2
>>>> Line input and output words 69
>>>> 5.4
>>>> Number conversion 70
>>>> 5.4.1
>>>> Convert digits to binary number 70
>>>> 5.4.2
>>>> Convert binary number to ASCII string 72
>>>> 5.4.3
>>>> Memory dump 73
>>>> 5.4.4
>>>> Message output 74
>>>> 5.5
>>>> Serial disk 75
>>>> 5.5.1
>>>> Disk buffer manager 75
>>>> 5.5.2
>>>> Disk read and write 77
>>>> 5.6
>>>> The text interpreter 79
>>>> 5.6.1
>>>> Parsing of words 79
>>>> 5.6.2
>>>> Dictionary search 80
>>>> 5.6.3
>>>> The interpreter 83
>>>> 5.6.4
>>>> Power up and reset 84
>>>> 5.7
>>>> Compiler 87
>>>> 5.7.1
>>>> Compiler loop 87
>>>> 5.7.2
>>>> Defining words 91
>>>> 5.7.3
>>>> Control structures 93
>>>> 5.7.4
>>>> NC4000 assembler 95
>>>> 5.7.5
>>>> Compiler vocabulary 99
>>>> 5.8
>>>> Optimizing compiler 99
>>>> 5.8.1
>>>> Smart ; compiler 100
>>>> 5.8.2
>>>> Smart ALU function compiler 101
>>>> 5.8.3
>>>> Shift compiler 103
>>>> 5.8.4
>>>> Merging of DUP 104
>>>> 5.9
>>>> The target compiler 104
>>>> 5.9.1
>>>> Utility compiler 105
>>>> 5.9.2
>>>> Target dictionary 106
>>>> 5.9.3
>>>> Variables in target dictionary 107
>>>> 5.9.4
>>>> Separate target and host dictionary 108
>>>> 5.9.5
>>>> Target compiler in action 109
>>>>
>>>> Chapter 6
>>>> Programming Tips 112
>>>> 6.1
>>>> Benchmarks 112
>>>> 6.2
>>>> WORDS—listing the vocabulary 113
>>>> 6.3
>>>> Memory dump 115
>>>> 6.4
>>>> Line editor 116
>>>> 6.5
>>>> Stack pictures 118
>>>> 6.6
>>>> Display internal registers 119
>>>> 6.7
>>>> Input and output 120
>>>> 6.8
>>>> PICK and ROLL 122
>>>> 6.9
>>>> Square-root 123
>>>> 6.10
>>>> Terminal and disk server on IBM-PC 124
>>>> 6.11
>>>> Arcsine by interpolation 127
>>>> 6.12
>>>> High speed pattern generator 128
>>>> 6.13
>>>> A/D conversion with NC4000 132
>>>> 6.14
>>>> Fast byte flip 135
>>>> 6.15
>>>> More vocabularies 136
>>>>
>>>> Appendix A
>>>> cmForth Source Listing 138
>>>> Appendix B
>>>> cmForth Glossary 164
>>>> Index 170
>>>>
>>>> This is what came from Ting to me originally
>>>> and he wanted to have edited, formatted and published on amazon
>>>
>>> Having had a look elsewhere, it is probably closest to
>>> http://forth.org/OffeteStore/OffeteStore.html
>>>
>> Definitely the same book.
>> Groetjes Albert
>> --
>> Don't praise the day before the evening. One swallow doesn't make spring.
>> You must not say "hey" before you have crossed the bridge. Don't sell the
>> hide of the bear until you shot it. Better one bird in the hand than ten in
>> the air. First gain is a cat purring. - the Wise from Antrim -
>
> Thank you very much for confirming this.
> Building the Forth Bookshelf seems to have supported its purpose
> of saving data material availability for thye next 20+ years

On Tuesday 9 January 2024 at 02:32:13 UTC, dxf wrote:
> On 9/01/2024 3:49 am, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> > On Sunday 7 January 2024 at 23:41:08 UTC, none albert wrote:
> >> In article <14cf69c7-e76b-4ac0...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> Jurgen Pitaske <jpit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Sunday 7 January 2024 at 18:21:59 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> >>>> On Sunday 7 January 2024 at 15:36:49 UTC, none albert wrote:
> >>>>> In article <9c2b6fd7-7d87-4ed4...@googlegroups.com>,
> >>>>> Jurgen Pitaske <jpit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Sunday 7 January 2024 at 11:46:36 UTC, none albert wrote:
> >>>>>>> In article <be0860be-670f-48d8...@googlegroups.com>,
> >>>>>>> Jurgen Pitaske <jpit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> <NIP>
> >>>>>>>> 9 Chen-Hanson Ting - Footsteps In An Empty Valley issue 3
> >>>>>>> I have "Footsteps In An Empty Valley" with no mention of issue.
> >>>>>>> Is that issue 1 ?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Groetjes Albert
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am sorry, but this is the version Isaue 3 Ting gave me to convert into a book.
> >>>>>> We had hoped that Ting would be there in the background to help with any questions.
> >>>>>> Which is unfortunately not the case now.
> >>>>> Can that be any chance be Third *Edition* March 1988 ?
> >>>>> Then we have the same book.
> >>>>> My content reads:
> >>>>> 1.1 The von Neumann machine instruction set
> >>>>> 1.2 .. RISC..
> >>>>> 1.3 .. NC4000 ..
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2.1 NC4000 pin names an functions.
> >>>>> 2.2 ..
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 3.1 ALU code and functions
> >>>>> 3.2 Y-port ..
> >>>>> 3.3 ... stack ..
> >>>>> 3.4 shift ..
> >>>>> 3.5 .. ALU ..
> >>>>> 3.6 .. I/O ..
> >>>>> 3.7 .. internal registers ..
> >>>>> 3.8 .. bits .. i/o registers
> >>>>> 4.1 pins ..
> >>>>> 6.1 .. cycles ..
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Can you comment on the antiquarian value?
> >>>>> Groetjes Albert
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Don't praise the day before the evening. One swallow doesn't make spring.
> >>>>> You must not say "hey" before you have crossed the bridge. Don't sell the
> >>>>> hide of the bear until you shot it. Better one bird in the hand than ten in
> >>>>> the air. First gain is a cat purring. - the Wise from Antrim -
> >>>> Copy of the contents pages from the upload of the book:
> >>>>
> >>>> Contents
> >>>> ( page numbers are from the printed version )
> >>>> Preface for the Third Edition
> >>>> i
> >>>> Forward for the First Edition
> >>>> iii
> >>>> My Electronic Bookshelf
> >>>> v
> >>>> Contents
> >>>> ix
> >>>> Figures
> >>>> xii
> >>>> Tables
> >>>> xiv
> >>>>
> >>>> Chapter 1
> >>>> Introduction 1
> >>>> 1.1
> >>>> Historical background 1
> >>>> 1.2
> >>>> RISC Panacea 2
> >>>>
> >>>> Chapter2
> >>>> The NC4000 Chip 7
> >>>> 2.1
> >>>> Features of NC4000 chip 7
> >>>> 2.2
> >>>> External data paths 7
> >>>> 2.2.1
> >>>> Main memory 11
> >>>> 2.2.2
> >>>> Data stack and return stack 11
> >>>> 2.2.3
> >>>> B-port and X-port 12
> >>>> 2.2.4
> >>>> System timing and control 13
> >>>> 2.3
> >>>> NC4000 architecture 14
> >>>> 2.3.1
> >>>> The internal registers 14
> >>>> 2.3.2
> >>>> Program sequencer 16
> >>>> 2.3.3
> >>>> Data stack and return Stack 17
> >>>> 2.3.4
> >>>> Arithmetic Logic Unit (ALU) 18
> >>>> 2.3.5
> >>>> The I/0 ports 20
> >>>>
> >>>> Chapter 3
> >>>> The Instruction Set of NC4000 22
> >>>> 3.1
> >>>> Classification of NC4000 instructions 23
> >>>> 3.2
> >>>> ALU instructions 26
> >>>> 3.3
> >>>> I/0 and memory instructions 31
> >>>> 3.4
> >>>> Graphic models of some NC4000 instructions 33
> >>>> 3.4.1
> >>>> Model of NC4000 ALU 34
> >>>> 3.4.2
> >>>> The SWAP group 35
> >>>> 3.4.3
> >>>> The DUP group 37
> >>>> 3.4.4
> >>>> The binary ALU group 38
> >>>> 3.4.5
> >>>> The multiply/divide group 39
> >>>> 3.4.6
> >>>> Miscellaneous instructions 42
> >>>>
> >>>> Chapter 4
> >>>> NC4000 Computers 45
> >>>> 4.1
> >>>> Commercial products using NC4000 chip 45
> >>>> 4.1.1
> >>>> The early alphabetic boards 45
> >>>> 4.1.2
> >>>> The Forthkits from Computer Cowboys 46
> >>>> 4.1.3
> >>>> Products from Novix, Inc. 46
> >>>> 4.1.4
> >>>> Products from Silicon Composers 47
> >>>> 4.1.5
> >>>> Other companies and products 47
> >>>> 4.1.6
> >>>> List of manufacturers 48
> >>>> 4.2
> >>>> Build your own NC4000 computer 48
> >>>> 4.2.1
> >>>> The CPU section 49
> >>>> 4.2.2
> >>>> I/0 ports 50
> >>>> 4.2.3
> >>>> Main memory 51
> >>>> 4.2.4
> >>>> Data stack and return stack 53
> >>>> 4.3
> >>>> Circuit boards for NC4000 computer 54
> >>>> 4.4
> >>>> Hardware enhancements 55
> >>>> 4.4.1
> >>>> PAL memory decoder OF5138 55
> >>>> 4.4.2
> >>>> Stack expansion counter OF5493 57
> >>>> 4.4.3
> >>>> Another novel memory decoding technique 58
> >>>>
> >>>> Chapter 5
> >>>> The cmForth Operating System 61
> >>>> 5.1
> >>>> The kernel 61
> >>>> 5.1.1
> >>>> The primitive Forth words 61
> >>>> 5.1.2
> >>>> Memory accessing words 63
> >>>> 5.1.3
> >>>> Multiply and divide 65
> >>>> 5.2
> >>>> System variables 67
> >>>> 5.3
> >>>> Terminal input and output 68
> >>>> 5.3.1
> >>>> Primitive input and output words 68
> >>>> 5.3.2
> >>>> Line input and output words 69
> >>>> 5.4
> >>>> Number conversion 70
> >>>> 5.4.1
> >>>> Convert digits to binary number 70
> >>>> 5.4.2
> >>>> Convert binary number to ASCII string 72
> >>>> 5.4.3
> >>>> Memory dump 73
> >>>> 5.4.4
> >>>> Message output 74
> >>>> 5.5
> >>>> Serial disk 75
> >>>> 5.5.1
> >>>> Disk buffer manager 75
> >>>> 5.5.2
> >>>> Disk read and write 77
> >>>> 5.6
> >>>> The text interpreter 79
> >>>> 5.6.1
> >>>> Parsing of words 79
> >>>> 5.6.2
> >>>> Dictionary search 80
> >>>> 5.6.3
> >>>> The interpreter 83
> >>>> 5.6.4
> >>>> Power up and reset 84
> >>>> 5.7
> >>>> Compiler 87
> >>>> 5.7.1
> >>>> Compiler loop 87
> >>>> 5.7.2
> >>>> Defining words 91
> >>>> 5.7.3
> >>>> Control structures 93
> >>>> 5.7.4
> >>>> NC4000 assembler 95
> >>>> 5.7.5
> >>>> Compiler vocabulary 99
> >>>> 5.8
> >>>> Optimizing compiler 99
> >>>> 5.8.1
> >>>> Smart ; compiler 100
> >>>> 5.8.2
> >>>> Smart ALU function compiler 101
> >>>> 5.8.3
> >>>> Shift compiler 103
> >>>> 5.8.4
> >>>> Merging of DUP 104
> >>>> 5.9
> >>>> The target compiler 104
> >>>> 5.9.1
> >>>> Utility compiler 105
> >>>> 5.9.2
> >>>> Target dictionary 106
> >>>> 5.9.3
> >>>> Variables in target dictionary 107
> >>>> 5.9.4
> >>>> Separate target and host dictionary 108
> >>>> 5.9.5
> >>>> Target compiler in action 109
> >>>>
> >>>> Chapter 6
> >>>> Programming Tips 112
> >>>> 6.1
> >>>> Benchmarks 112
> >>>> 6.2
> >>>> WORDS—listing the vocabulary 113
> >>>> 6.3
> >>>> Memory dump 115
> >>>> 6.4
> >>>> Line editor 116
> >>>> 6.5
> >>>> Stack pictures 118
> >>>> 6.6
> >>>> Display internal registers 119
> >>>> 6.7
> >>>> Input and output 120
> >>>> 6.8
> >>>> PICK and ROLL 122
> >>>> 6.9
> >>>> Square-root 123
> >>>> 6.10
> >>>> Terminal and disk server on IBM-PC 124
> >>>> 6.11
> >>>> Arcsine by interpolation 127
> >>>> 6.12
> >>>> High speed pattern generator 128
> >>>> 6.13
> >>>> A/D conversion with NC4000 132
> >>>> 6.14
> >>>> Fast byte flip 135
> >>>> 6.15
> >>>> More vocabularies 136
> >>>>
> >>>> Appendix A
> >>>> cmForth Source Listing 138
> >>>> Appendix B
> >>>> cmForth Glossary 164
> >>>> Index 170
> >>>>

In article <2f11c203-85e8-4da0-acd6-5249ded94601n@googlegroups.com>,
Jurgen Pitaske <jpitaske@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tuesday 9 January 2024 at 02:32:13 UTC, dxf wrote:
>> When it's our turn to lose interest, we won't give a damn either.
>> All that matters is that we profit while we do.
>
>
>This is another one of your Definitely eXtra Fucking useless comments - as your name dxf states.

As you want to start of a flame war, can you at least SNIP the umptieth copy
of the content of Ting's book?
Thank you.

Groetjes Albert
--
Don't praise the day before the evening. One swallow doesn't make spring.
You must not say "hey" before you have crossed the bridge. Don't sell the
hide of the bear until you shot it. Better one bird in the hand than ten in
the air. First gain is a cat purring. - the Wise from Antrim -

On Tuesday 9 January 2024 at 10:35:43 UTC, none albert wrote:
> In article <2f11c203-85e8-4da0...@googlegroups.com>,
> Jurgen Pitaske <jpit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Tuesday 9 January 2024 at 02:32:13 UTC, dxf wrote:
> >> When it's our turn to lose interest, we won't give a damn either.
> >> All that matters is that we profit while we do.
> >
> >
> >This is another one of your Definitely eXtra Fucking useless comments - as your name dxf states.

> As you want to start of a flame war, can you at least SNIP the umptieth copy
> of the content of Ting's book?
> Thank you.
> Groetjes Albert
> --
> Don't praise the day before the evening. One swallow doesn't make spring.
> You must not say "hey" before you have crossed the bridge. Don't sell the
> hide of the bear until you shot it. Better one bird in the hand than ten in
> the air. First gain is a cat purring. - the Wise from Antrim -

I am very sorry, I just quite simply forgot to delete this part.
And I do not want a flame war.
He was asking me to comment in the way he commented which I did
- so it was him, not me who started it if so.

Jurgen Pitaske wrote:

> On Tuesday 9 January 2024 at 10:35:43 UTC, none albert wrote:
>> As you want to start of a flame war, can you at least SNIP the umptieth copy
>> of the content of Ting's book?
>> Thank you.

> I am very sorry, I just quite simply forgot to delete this part.
> And I do not want a flame war.
> He was asking me to comment in the way he commented which I did
> - so it was him, not me who started it if so.

To add another useless comment: don't comment on dxf, it's useless. ;-)

By the way, I appreciate your work to create some sort of Forth antiquarian
bookshop. So many good things from the past just get forgotten.

On Tuesday 9 January 2024 at 11:16:11 UTC, minforth wrote:
> Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday 9 January 2024 at 10:35:43 UTC, none albert wrote:
> >> As you want to start of a flame war, can you at least SNIP the umptieth copy
> >> of the content of Ting's book?
> >> Thank you.
> > I am very sorry, I just quite simply forgot to delete this part.
> > And I do not want a flame war.
> > He was asking me to comment in the way he commented which I did
> > - so it was him, not me who started it if so.
> To add another useless comment: don't comment on dxf, it's useless. ;-)
>
> By the way, I appreciate your work to create some sort of Forth antiquarian
> bookshop. So many good things from the past just get forgotten.
Thank you very much. It was a lot of work over the last 12 years. And it seems they are the most recent Forth books.

On 9/01/2024 9:58 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> On Tuesday 9 January 2024 at 10:35:43 UTC, none albert wrote:
>> In article <2f11c203-85e8-4da0...@googlegroups.com>,
>> Jurgen Pitaske <jpit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tuesday 9 January 2024 at 02:32:13 UTC, dxf wrote:
>>>> When it's our turn to lose interest, we won't give a damn either.
>>>> All that matters is that we profit while we do.
>>>
>>>
>>> This is another one of your Definitely eXtra Fucking useless comments - as your name dxf states.
>
>> As you want to start of a flame war, can you at least SNIP the umptieth copy
>> of the content of Ting's book?
>> Thank you.
>> Groetjes Albert
>> --
>> Don't praise the day before the evening. One swallow doesn't make spring.
>> You must not say "hey" before you have crossed the bridge. Don't sell the
>> hide of the bear until you shot it. Better one bird in the hand than ten in
>> the air. First gain is a cat purring. - the Wise from Antrim -
>
> I am very sorry, I just quite simply forgot to delete this part.
> And I do not want a flame war.
> He was asking me to comment in the way he commented which I did

Hardly since it was a comment on your business spam and the self-promotion
therein. Perhaps you might consider instead an unobtrusive sig as the other
vendors do.
> - so it was him, not me who started it if so.

On 9/01/2024 10:13 pm, minforth wrote:
> Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday 9 January 2024 at 10:35:43 UTC, none albert wrote:
>>> As you want to start of a flame war, can you at least SNIP the umptieth copy
>>> of the content of Ting's book? Thank you.
>
>> I am very sorry, I just quite simply forgot to delete this part.
>> And I do not want a flame war.
>> He was asking me to comment in the way he commented which I did - so it was him, not me who started it if so.
>
> To add another useless comment: don't comment on dxf, it's useless. ;-)

Can't speak for Jurgen but feel free. You never know your luck.
> By the way, I appreciate your work to create some sort of Forth antiquarian
> bookshop. So many good things from the past just get forgotten.
Forth antiquarian books from Amazon/Kindle in 20 years time? Not likely.

On Wednesday 10 January 2024 at 06:10:52 UTC, dxf wrote:
> On 9/01/2024 10:13 pm, minforth wrote:
> > Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> >
> >> On Tuesday 9 January 2024 at 10:35:43 UTC, none albert wrote:
> >>> As you want to start of a flame war, can you at least SNIP the umptieth copy
> >>> of the content of Ting's book? Thank you.
> >
> >> I am very sorry, I just quite simply forgot to delete this part.
> >> And I do not want a flame war.
> >> He was asking me to comment in the way he commented which I did - so it was him, not me who started it if so.
> >
> > To add another useless comment: don't comment on dxf, it's useless. ;-)
> Can't speak for Jurgen but feel free. You never know your luck.
> > By the way, I appreciate your work to create some sort of Forth antiquarian
> > bookshop. So many good things from the past just get forgotten.
> Forth antiquarian books from Amazon/Kindle in 20 years time? Not likely.

Just fell over this link. Made me smile
Number 57
https://bookauthority.org/books/best-selling-arduino-development-books

On 10/01/2024 6:49 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> On Wednesday 10 January 2024 at 06:10:52 UTC, dxf wrote:
>> On 9/01/2024 10:13 pm, minforth wrote:
>>> Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tuesday 9 January 2024 at 10:35:43 UTC, none albert wrote:
>>>>> As you want to start of a flame war, can you at least SNIP the umptieth copy
>>>>> of the content of Ting's book? Thank you.
>>>
>>>> I am very sorry, I just quite simply forgot to delete this part.
>>>> And I do not want a flame war.
>>>> He was asking me to comment in the way he commented which I did - so it was him, not me who started it if so.
>>>
>>> To add another useless comment: don't comment on dxf, it's useless. ;-)
>> Can't speak for Jurgen but feel free. You never know your luck.
>>> By the way, I appreciate your work to create some sort of Forth antiquarian
>>> bookshop. So many good things from the past just get forgotten.
>> Forth antiquarian books from Amazon/Kindle in 20 years time? Not likely.
>
> Just fell over this link. Made me smile
> Number 57
> https://bookauthority.org/books/best-selling-arduino-development-books

It goes without saying sales to a businessman would make him smile.
What percentage of the profit made from the sales of your books goes
back to the original author?

On Thursday 11 January 2024 at 00:16:21 UTC, dxf wrote:
> On 10/01/2024 6:49 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> > On Wednesday 10 January 2024 at 06:10:52 UTC, dxf wrote:
> >> On 9/01/2024 10:13 pm, minforth wrote:
> >>> Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Tuesday 9 January 2024 at 10:35:43 UTC, none albert wrote:
> >>>>> As you want to start of a flame war, can you at least SNIP the umptieth copy
> >>>>> of the content of Ting's book? Thank you.
> >>>
> >>>> I am very sorry, I just quite simply forgot to delete this part.
> >>>> And I do not want a flame war.
> >>>> He was asking me to comment in the way he commented which I did - so it was him, not me who started it if so.
> >>>
> >>> To add another useless comment: don't comment on dxf, it's useless. ;-)
> >> Can't speak for Jurgen but feel free. You never know your luck.
> >>> By the way, I appreciate your work to create some sort of Forth antiquarian
> >>> bookshop. So many good things from the past just get forgotten.
> >> Forth antiquarian books from Amazon/Kindle in 20 years time? Not likely.
> >
> > Just fell over this link. Made me smile
> > Number 57
> > https://bookauthority.org/books/best-selling-arduino-development-books
> It goes without saying sales to a businessman would make him smile.
> What percentage of the profit made from the sales of your books goes
> back to the original author?
This is business between the author and me - and none of your business.

In article <unl3o4$2brr6$1@dont-email.me>, dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 9/01/2024 9:58 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
>> On Tuesday 9 January 2024 at 10:35:43 UTC, none albert wrote:
>>> In article <2f11c203-85e8-4da0...@googlegroups.com>,
>>> Jurgen Pitaske <jpit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday 9 January 2024 at 02:32:13 UTC, dxf wrote:
>>>>> When it's our turn to lose interest, we won't give a damn either.
>>>>> All that matters is that we profit while we do.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is another one of your Definitely eXtra Fucking useless comments - as your name dxf states.
>>
>>> As you want to start of a flame war, can you at least SNIP the umptieth copy
>>> of the content of Ting's book?
>>> Thank you.
>>> Groetjes Albert
>>> --
>>> Don't praise the day before the evening. One swallow doesn't make spring.
>>> You must not say "hey" before you have crossed the bridge. Don't sell the
>>> hide of the bear until you shot it. Better one bird in the hand than ten in
>>> the air. First gain is a cat purring. - the Wise from Antrim -
>>
>> I am very sorry, I just quite simply forgot to delete this part.
>> And I do not want a flame war.
>> He was asking me to comment in the way he commented which I did
>
>Hardly since it was a comment on your business spam and the self-promotion
>therein. Perhaps you might consider instead an unobtrusive sig as the other
>vendors do.

The proper thing to do (but only in the first response) is to shorten the
offending message replacing the most part of the Ting's
content overview with <SNIP>.
In a second response it is inexcusable.

You have much to learn about nettiquette.
The sig is according to the rules (4 line at most.)
One of the rules is deleting the sigs in a response.

>
>> - so it was him, not me who started it if so.
>

Groetjes Albert
--
Don't praise the day before the evening. One swallow doesn't make spring.
You must not say "hey" before you have crossed the bridge. Don't sell the
hide of the bear until you shot it. Better one bird in the hand than ten in
the air. First gain is a cat purring. - the Wise from Antrim -