On 11/02/2024 10:16 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> On Sunday 11 February 2024 at 11:14:31 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
>> Just as a quick summary:
>> Which Forth books of this list here are people interested in?
>> See the top 100 in Compiler Design
>> https://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-books-Amazon/zgbs/books/3970/ref=zg_bs_pg_2_books?_encoding=UTF8&pg=2
>
> And the link to this post to save somewhere,
> as there is so much rubbish now on CLF:
> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.forth/c/lkwh5gcqf8M
> May the Forth be with you ...

You wouldn't settle for an empty platitude about forth - neither
should your authors.

On Sunday 11 February 2024 at 23:31:50 UTC, dxf wrote:
> On 11/02/2024 10:16 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> > On Sunday 11 February 2024 at 11:14:31 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> >> Just as a quick summary:
> >> Which Forth books of this list here are people interested in?
> >> See the top 100 in Compiler Design
> >> https://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-books-Amazon/zgbs/books/3970/ref=zg_bs_pg_2_books?_encoding=UTF8&pg=2
> >
> > And the link to this post to save somewhere,
> > as there is so much rubbish now on CLF:
> > https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.forth/c/lkwh5gcqf8M
> > May the Forth be with you ...
> You wouldn't settle for an empty platitude about forth - neither
> should your authors.

AMEN

On 12/02/2024 10:00 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> On Sunday 11 February 2024 at 23:31:50 UTC, dxf wrote:
>> On 11/02/2024 10:16 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
>>> On Sunday 11 February 2024 at 11:14:31 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
>>>> Just as a quick summary:
>>>> Which Forth books of this list here are people interested in?
>>>> See the top 100 in Compiler Design
>>>> https://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-books-Amazon/zgbs/books/3970/ref=zg_bs_pg_2_books?_encoding=UTF8&pg=2
>>>
>>> And the link to this post to save somewhere,
>>> as there is so much rubbish now on CLF:
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.forth/c/lkwh5gcqf8M
>>> May the Forth be with you ...
>> You wouldn't settle for an empty platitude about forth - neither
>> should your authors.
>
> AMEN

Never mind the blessings. "My Forth Bookshelf" isn't a charity.
It likes to present as one and unfortunately authors got fooled.

On Tuesday 13 February 2024 at 04:59:36 UTC, dxf wrote:
> On 12/02/2024 10:00 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> > On Sunday 11 February 2024 at 23:31:50 UTC, dxf wrote:
> >> On 11/02/2024 10:16 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> >>> On Sunday 11 February 2024 at 11:14:31 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> >>>> Just as a quick summary:
> >>>> Which Forth books of this list here are people interested in?
> >>>> See the top 100 in Compiler Design
> >>>> https://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-books-Amazon/zgbs/books/3970/ref=zg_bs_pg_2_books?_encoding=UTF8&pg=2
> >>>
> >>> And the link to this post to save somewhere,
> >>> as there is so much rubbish now on CLF:
> >>> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.forth/c/lkwh5gcqf8M
> >>> May the Forth be with you ...
> >> You wouldn't settle for an empty platitude about forth - neither
> >> should your authors.
> >
> > AMEN

> Never mind the blessings. "My Forth Bookshelf" isn't a charity.
> It likes to present as one and unfortunately authors got fooled.

You are adding to your usual bullshit.
It seems you have nothing useful to do. Have you been fired?
And supporting Forth has never been your aim anyway.

You made up that it is a charity - no it is not.
I invested my time and quite a bit of it to make it all happen.
You are talking about things you have no clue about.

If people like it, they can buy these books.
If not, at least they see what they might find using the Internet.
The authors had a clear deal and all of them agreed to it.

Jurgen Pitaske wrote:

> On Thursday 11 January 2024 at 00:16:21 UTC, dxf wrote:
>> On 10/01/2024 6:49 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
>> > On Wednesday 10 January 2024 at 06:10:52 UTC, dxf wrote:
[..]
>> It goes without saying sales to a businessman would make him smile.
>> What percentage of the profit made from the sales of your books goes
>> back to the original author?
> This is business between the author and me - and none of your business.
[..]

Nobody asked my permission for the Starting Forth edits to appear
in a book for sale.

-marcel

So this is violation of legal copyrights?

On Tuesday 13 February 2024 at 08:06:20 UTC, mhx wrote:
> Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
>
> > On Thursday 11 January 2024 at 00:16:21 UTC, dxf wrote:
> >> On 10/01/2024 6:49 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> >> > On Wednesday 10 January 2024 at 06:10:52 UTC, dxf wrote:
> [..]
> >> It goes without saying sales to a businessman would make him smile.
> >> What percentage of the profit made from the sales of your books goes
> >> back to the original author?
> > This is business between the author and me - and none of your business.
> [..]
>
> Nobody asked my permission for the Starting Forth edits to appear
> in a book for sale.
>
> -marcel

The copyright is with Forth INC.,
and they allowed for publishing it as eBook
- but not as print book, which was fine for me.
The eBook was signed off by Forth INC before publishing.

On Tuesday 13 February 2024 at 08:06:20 UTC, mhx wrote:
> Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
>
> > On Thursday 11 January 2024 at 00:16:21 UTC, dxf wrote:
> >> On 10/01/2024 6:49 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> >> > On Wednesday 10 January 2024 at 06:10:52 UTC, dxf wrote:
> [..]
> >> It goes without saying sales to a businessman would make him smile.
> >> What percentage of the profit made from the sales of your books goes
> >> back to the original author?
> > This is business between the author and me - and none of your business.
> [..]
>
> Nobody asked my permission for the Starting Forth edits to appear
> in a book for sale.
>
> -marcel
The copyright is with Forth INC. as they told me when I asked.
They told me which material to use for the eBook.
Forth INC checked the material before I published it.
And it has as well been re-checked by Forth INC. a couple of years ago.
I was not aware that you own the copyright rather than Forth INC. of material on the Forth INC. website

On 13/02/2024 6:23 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> On Tuesday 13 February 2024 at 04:59:36 UTC, dxf wrote:
>> On 12/02/2024 10:00 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
>>> On Sunday 11 February 2024 at 23:31:50 UTC, dxf wrote:
>>>> On 11/02/2024 10:16 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday 11 February 2024 at 11:14:31 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
>>>>>> Just as a quick summary:
>>>>>> Which Forth books of this list here are people interested in?
>>>>>> See the top 100 in Compiler Design
>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-books-Amazon/zgbs/books/3970/ref=zg_bs_pg_2_books?_encoding=UTF8&pg=2
>>>>>
>>>>> And the link to this post to save somewhere,
>>>>> as there is so much rubbish now on CLF:
>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.forth/c/lkwh5gcqf8M
>>>>> May the Forth be with you ...
>>>> You wouldn't settle for an empty platitude about forth - neither
>>>> should your authors.
>>>
>>> AMEN
>
>> Never mind the blessings. "My Forth Bookshelf" isn't a charity.
>> It likes to present as one and unfortunately authors got fooled.
>
> You are adding to your usual bullshit.
> It seems you have nothing useful to do. Have you been fired?

Has Jurgen or Amazon been fired - that they should approach forth
authors asking for a handout?

> And supporting Forth has never been your aim anyway.

Is that what you told the authors you targetted - that they would
be "supporting forth"?

> You made up that it is a charity - no it is not.

Good - then nobody should be fooled into believing otherwise.

> The authors had a clear deal and all of them agreed to it.

Given you have promoted the venture publicly as "supporting forth",
I can see no reason why details of the deal should not be made public.
Prospective purchasers might like to know exactly who it is they are
supporting and by what amount.

> >>>>>> Just as a quick summary:
> >>>>>> Which Forth books of this list here are people interested in?
> >>>>>> See the top 100 in Compiler Design
> >>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-books-Amazon/zgbs/books/3970/ref=zg_bs_pg_2_books?_encoding=UTF8&pg=2
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And the link to this post to save somewhere,
> >>>>> as there is so much rubbish now on CLF:
> >>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.forth/c/lkwh5gcqf8M
> >>>>> May the Forth be with you ...

> Has Jurgen or Amazon been fired - that they should approach forth
> authors asking for a handout?

> > And supporting Forth has never been your aim anyway.
> Is that what you told the authors you targetted - that they would
> be "supporting forth"?

> > You made up that it is a charity - no it is not.
> Good - then nobody should be fooled into believing otherwise.

> > The authors had a clear deal and all of them agreed to it.
> Given you have promoted the venture publicly as "supporting forth",
> I can see no reason why details of the deal should not be made public.
> Prospective purchasers might like to know exactly who it is they are
> supporting and by what amount.

It is sad to see how your mental capabilities have deteriorated.
Changing from posting bullshit, to posting silly bullshit.
You are now even unable to comprehend what i had answered.

On 15/02/2024 8:14 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
>
>>>>>>>> Just as a quick summary:
>>>>>>>> Which Forth books of this list here are people interested in?
>>>>>>>> See the top 100 in Compiler Design
>>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-books-Amazon/zgbs/books/3970/ref=zg_bs_pg_2_books?_encoding=UTF8&pg=2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And the link to this post to save somewhere,
>>>>>>> as there is so much rubbish now on CLF:
>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.forth/c/lkwh5gcqf8M
>>>>>>> May the Forth be with you ...
>
> > Has Jurgen or Amazon been fired - that they should approach forth
>> authors asking for a handout?
>
>>> And supporting Forth has never been your aim anyway.
>> Is that what you told the authors you targetted - that they would
>> be "supporting forth"?
>
>>> You made up that it is a charity - no it is not.
>> Good - then nobody should be fooled into believing otherwise.
>
>>> The authors had a clear deal and all of them agreed to it.
>> Given you have promoted the venture publicly as "supporting forth",
>> I can see no reason why details of the deal should not be made public.
>> Prospective purchasers might like to know exactly who it is they are
>> supporting and by what amount.
>
> It is sad to see how your mental capabilities have deteriorated.
> Changing from posting bullshit, to posting silly bullshit.
> You are now even unable to comprehend what i had answered.

I comprehend you employ abuse to evade and answer nothing - nada -
which according to one of your authors is what they get. Your
response was you needed to recover your expenses formatting texts
for publication. Thus your 'support of forth' is conditional on
you making money from it - how much we don't know as details of
years of book sales hasn't been disclosed.

You say "supporting Forth" has never been my aim. That's true.
As if interest in forth (or anything) can be bought or sold with
money or praise.

On Friday 16 February 2024 at 02:25:55 UTC, dxf wrote:
> On 15/02/2024 8:14 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> >
> >>>>>>>> Just as a quick summary:
> >>>>>>>> Which Forth books of this list here are people interested in?
> >>>>>>>> See the top 100 in Compiler Design
> >>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-books-Amazon/zgbs/books/3970/ref=zg_bs_pg_2_books?_encoding=UTF8&pg=2
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> And the link to this post to save somewhere,
> >>>>>>> as there is so much rubbish now on CLF:
> >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.forth/c/lkwh5gcqf8M
> >>>>>>> May the Forth be with you ...
> >
> > > Has Jurgen or Amazon been fired - that they should approach forth
> >> authors asking for a handout?
> >
> >>> And supporting Forth has never been your aim anyway.
> >> Is that what you told the authors you targetted - that they would
> >> be "supporting forth"?
> >
> >>> You made up that it is a charity - no it is not.
> >> Good - then nobody should be fooled into believing otherwise.
> >
> >>> The authors had a clear deal and all of them agreed to it.
> >> Given you have promoted the venture publicly as "supporting forth",
> >> I can see no reason why details of the deal should not be made public.
> >> Prospective purchasers might like to know exactly who it is they are
> >> supporting and by what amount.
> >
> > It is sad to see how your mental capabilities have deteriorated.
> > Changing from posting bullshit, to posting silly bullshit.
> > You are now even unable to comprehend what i had answered.
> I comprehend you employ abuse to evade and answer nothing - nada -
> which according to one of your authors is what they get. Your
> response was you needed to recover your expenses formatting texts
> for publication. Thus your 'support of forth' is conditional on
> you making money from it - how much we don't know as details of
> years of book sales hasn't been disclosed.
>
> You say "supporting Forth" has never been my aim. That's true.
> As if interest in forth (or anything) can be bought or sold with
> money or praise.

For once a more useful comment.
As said before, the Bookshelf started when I was the Sales and Marketing Manager for MPE.
With picture and description of my function on the MPE website for many years. See further down.
Working as a consultant for MPE - not as an employee.
The press releases I wrote and published to magazines as part of my work,
are still on the MPE website - just checked now.
And the change of the MPE website and the new logo was part of my work together with the outside company.
And the books were aimed at supporting and promoting MPE and Forth.
A project of more than 10 years now.

It is just funny, that the only book there were issues with over the years is the book by Stephen Pelc.
This is what was stated higher up here.
The arrangement was crystal clear before publication, as with any of the authors, and was accepted
but MPE changed their mind a couple of years later and wanted conditions I could not agree with.
So I just unpublished it and is not available now for purchasing at amazon.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Books-Juergen-Pintaske/s?rh=n%3A266239%2Cp_27%3AJuergen+Pintaske
And the direct link to this book
.. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Programming-Forth-Version-July-2016/dp/1717967663/ref=sr_1_36?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.4Pv2u8wmd7RTnrSSvfThL2uTs3ZsEC67i4bXebfCGHS2UWQ-Kf1JtelwDIJIa4OJ.KPRwa3O1_W7OMR5NI_wYu71dfpCVyQhizHS1Te5WjcE&dib_tag=se&qid=1708069706&refinements=p_27%3AJuergen+Pintaske&s=books&sr=1-36

The data on the MPE website then - different now. The pictures cannot be shown here:

Our staff
________________________________________
MPE is a decentralised company that takes full advantage of modern communication methods. When you contact us, you will probably be referred to one of the people mentioned here as a technical contact.

________________________________________
Stephen Pelc
Stephen is an electronics engineer by training, but has been writing software since the days of Algol 60.
+44 (0)23 8063 1441, +44 (0)7803 903612, stephen@mpeforth.com
Speaks English and French.
Stephen founded MPE in 1981 after a career that included running a community arts centre, printing posters, picking strawberries, writing software for glass cutting machines, designing hardware for active noise reduction and electrostatic stirrers, software for flood warning schemes, and hardware and software for a bank note sorting machine.
Stephen designed the VFX code generator used by MPE's current Forth systems and managed the European project that produced the first VFX systems.
________________________________________
Juergen Pintaske
Juergen is our marketing and sales person promoting MPE Forth and MPE Consultancy Services.
+44 (0)7736 707674, juergen@exemark.com
Speaks German, English and French.
Juergen's electronics career started young at 12, with his first radio, 80m receiver and amplifier. Years later, after his Dipl.-Ing. in telecoms, electricity sensors were in - not the normal stuff but for up to 100kV or 500A, and the first CMOS micro. Then application engineering at RCA in Brussels, then Germany again. The first Forth activity was a custom micro running Forth in an FPGA. Finally a move to the UK, for Marketing, PR, translation, then went back into sales for 10 years.
In his spare time, Juergen writes and publishes eBooks about electronics and software topics including Forth, see links on this website from the books page.

________________________________________
Ian Thain
Ian's talent as an engineer started when he undid all the wing nuts on his pram so that its hood collapsed. When the microprocessor leaped on to the world stage in the 1970s, Ian's first programmable scientific calculator made him an immediate convert to software. He bought a Rockwell industrial micro which came with Forth in ROM and a pile of text books. Three years later he emerged to take up his first job in computing as system manager of an HP mini which ran the London office of a German multi-national manufacturer of electronic test equipment. Since then Ian's fund of stories includes radio, GPS, mobile messaging and Filippino anthropology.
Ian handles organisational things and marketing for us as well as product design and development.
________________________________________
Paul Bennett
Paul is a Systems Engineer with wide ranging knowledge and experience developing High Integrity Distributed Embedded Control Systems for Nuclear Power Station Robotics, Petrochemical Processes, Railway Signalling, Medical Instrumentation, Cryogenic Systems, Vacuum Systems and Marine Systems Industries.
It was Paul's knowledge of safety-critical systems and processes that enabled us to get US FDA approval (at the first submission) for medical equipment used in operating theatres.
________________________________________
Barry Culver
Barry is our UK hardware designer. The PB2468 is one of his designs. According to Barry, electronic design is the art and science of selecting components that fit together to work reliably and well. The joy of electronics is that all the time the range of components is getting wider, with an endless stream of smaller/faster/better parts to choose from!
Apart from electronics, Barry has experience in welding, painting, machining, sheet metal bashing, testing, mechanical design and the other trades of a scientific instrument manufacturer. He's an excellent Forth application programmer with a fully equipped hardware development lab.
Barry can be relied upon to find a hole in any specification.
________________________________________
Peter Knaggs
Peter was introduced to Forth through the Jupiter Ace in 1983 and did a PhD on "the application of software engineering concepts to embedded software development". While in academia, Peter was the editor of the Journal of Forth Applications and Research, and became the editor of the Forth200x standards document. He's now back in the commercial world.
Peter has a strong interest in things traditional, from ale to music, dance and song. He is involved a number of music festivals.
Peter is the part of the toolmaking team that tells us how to do it properly.
________________________________________
Barto Gillespie
Barto is our structural integrity test engineer. Although young, he has specialist knowledge of fabrics, domestic furniture, garden excavations and game birds.
Barto handles our interactions with all non-humans except cats, with whom he seems to be unable to communicate effectively.

And the link to MPE now:
https://www.mpeforth.com/news-gossip-and-rumour/mpe-in-the-press/

This book I published is still on the MPE website, even with a link to amazon
where all of the books I published are offered for purchase - Forth or not
https://www.mpeforth.com/resource-links/books/

On Friday 16 February 2024 at 08:03:35 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> On Friday 16 February 2024 at 02:25:55 UTC, dxf wrote:
> > On 15/02/2024 8:14 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> > >
> > >>>>>>>> Just as a quick summary:
> > >>>>>>>> Which Forth books of this list here are people interested in?
> > >>>>>>>> See the top 100 in Compiler Design
> > >>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-books-Amazon/zgbs/books/3970/ref=zg_bs_pg_2_books?_encoding=UTF8&pg=2
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> And the link to this post to save somewhere,
> > >>>>>>> as there is so much rubbish now on CLF:
> > >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.forth/c/lkwh5gcqf8M
> > >>>>>>> May the Forth be with you ...
> > >
> > > > Has Jurgen or Amazon been fired - that they should approach forth
> > >> authors asking for a handout?
> > >
> > >>> And supporting Forth has never been your aim anyway.
> > >> Is that what you told the authors you targetted - that they would
> > >> be "supporting forth"?
> > >
> > >>> You made up that it is a charity - no it is not.
> > >> Good - then nobody should be fooled into believing otherwise.
> > >
> > >>> The authors had a clear deal and all of them agreed to it.
> > >> Given you have promoted the venture publicly as "supporting forth",
> > >> I can see no reason why details of the deal should not be made public.
> > >> Prospective purchasers might like to know exactly who it is they are
> > >> supporting and by what amount.
> > >
> > > It is sad to see how your mental capabilities have deteriorated.
> > > Changing from posting bullshit, to posting silly bullshit.
> > > You are now even unable to comprehend what i had answered.
> > I comprehend you employ abuse to evade and answer nothing - nada -
> > which according to one of your authors is what they get. Your
> > response was you needed to recover your expenses formatting texts
> > for publication. Thus your 'support of forth' is conditional on
> > you making money from it - how much we don't know as details of
> > years of book sales hasn't been disclosed.
> >
> > You say "supporting Forth" has never been my aim. That's true.
> > As if interest in forth (or anything) can be bought or sold with
> > money or praise.
> For once a more useful comment.
> As said before, the Bookshelf started when I was the Sales and Marketing Manager for MPE.
> With picture and description of my function on the MPE website for many years. See further down.
> Working as a consultant for MPE - not as an employee.
> The press releases I wrote and published to magazines as part of my work,
> are still on the MPE website - just checked now.
> And the change of the MPE website and the new logo was part of my work together with the outside company.
> And the books were aimed at supporting and promoting MPE and Forth.
> A project of more than 10 years now.
>
> It is just funny, that the only book there were issues with over the years is the book by Stephen Pelc.
> This is what was stated higher up here.
> The arrangement was crystal clear before publication, as with any of the authors, and was accepted
> but MPE changed their mind a couple of years later and wanted conditions I could not agree with.
> So I just unpublished it and is not available now for purchasing at amazon.
> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Books-Juergen-Pintaske/s?rh=n%3A266239%2Cp_27%3AJuergen+Pintaske
> And the direct link to this book
> . https://www.amazon.co.uk/Programming-Forth-Version-July-2016/dp/1717967663/ref=sr_1_36?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.4Pv2u8wmd7RTnrSSvfThL2uTs3ZsEC67i4bXebfCGHS2UWQ-Kf1JtelwDIJIa4OJ.KPRwa3O1_W7OMR5NI_wYu71dfpCVyQhizHS1Te5WjcE&dib_tag=se&qid=1708069706&refinements=p_27%3AJuergen+Pintaske&s=books&sr=1-36
>
> The data on the MPE website then - different now. The pictures cannot be shown here:
>
> Our staff
> ________________________________________
> MPE is a decentralised company that takes full advantage of modern communication methods. When you contact us, you will probably be referred to one of the people mentioned here as a technical contact.
>
>
> ________________________________________
> Stephen Pelc
> Stephen is an electronics engineer by training, but has been writing software since the days of Algol 60.
> +44 (0)23 8063 1441, +44 (0)7803 903612, ste...@mpeforth.com
> Speaks English and French.
> Stephen founded MPE in 1981 after a career that included running a community arts centre, printing posters, picking strawberries, writing software for glass cutting machines, designing hardware for active noise reduction and electrostatic stirrers, software for flood warning schemes, and hardware and software for a bank note sorting machine.
> Stephen designed the VFX code generator used by MPE's current Forth systems and managed the European project that produced the first VFX systems.
>
> ________________________________________
> Juergen Pintaske
> Juergen is our marketing and sales person promoting MPE Forth and MPE Consultancy Services.
> +44 (0)7736 707674, jue...@exemark.com
> Speaks German, English and French.
> Juergen's electronics career started young at 12, with his first radio, 80m receiver and amplifier. Years later, after his Dipl.-Ing. in telecoms, electricity sensors were in - not the normal stuff but for up to 100kV or 500A, and the first CMOS micro. Then application engineering at RCA in Brussels, then Germany again. The first Forth activity was a custom micro running Forth in an FPGA. Finally a move to the UK, for Marketing, PR, translation, then went back into sales for 10 years.
> In his spare time, Juergen writes and publishes eBooks about electronics and software topics including Forth, see links on this website from the books page.
>
>
> ________________________________________
> Ian Thain
> Ian's talent as an engineer started when he undid all the wing nuts on his pram so that its hood collapsed. When the microprocessor leaped on to the world stage in the 1970s, Ian's first programmable scientific calculator made him an immediate convert to software. He bought a Rockwell industrial micro which came with Forth in ROM and a pile of text books. Three years later he emerged to take up his first job in computing as system manager of an HP mini which ran the London office of a German multi-national manufacturer of electronic test equipment. Since then Ian's fund of stories includes radio, GPS, mobile messaging and Filippino anthropology.
> Ian handles organisational things and marketing for us as well as product design and development.
>
> ________________________________________
> Paul Bennett
> Paul is a Systems Engineer with wide ranging knowledge and experience developing High Integrity Distributed Embedded Control Systems for Nuclear Power Station Robotics, Petrochemical Processes, Railway Signalling, Medical Instrumentation, Cryogenic Systems, Vacuum Systems and Marine Systems Industries.
> It was Paul's knowledge of safety-critical systems and processes that enabled us to get US FDA approval (at the first submission) for medical equipment used in operating theatres.
>
> ________________________________________
> Barry Culver
> Barry is our UK hardware designer. The PB2468 is one of his designs. According to Barry, electronic design is the art and science of selecting components that fit together to work reliably and well. The joy of electronics is that all the time the range of components is getting wider, with an endless stream of smaller/faster/better parts to choose from!
> Apart from electronics, Barry has experience in welding, painting, machining, sheet metal bashing, testing, mechanical design and the other trades of a scientific instrument manufacturer. He's an excellent Forth application programmer with a fully equipped hardware development lab.
> Barry can be relied upon to find a hole in any specification.
>
> ________________________________________
> Peter Knaggs
> Peter was introduced to Forth through the Jupiter Ace in 1983 and did a PhD on "the application of software engineering concepts to embedded software development". While in academia, Peter was the editor of the Journal of Forth Applications and Research, and became the editor of the Forth200x standards document. He's now back in the commercial world.
> Peter has a strong interest in things traditional, from ale to music, dance and song. He is involved a number of music festivals.
> Peter is the part of the toolmaking team that tells us how to do it properly.
>
> ________________________________________
> Barto Gillespie
> Barto is our structural integrity test engineer. Although young, he has specialist knowledge of fabrics, domestic furniture, garden excavations and game birds.
> Barto handles our interactions with all non-humans except cats, with whom he seems to be unable to communicate effectively.
>
> And the link to MPE now:
> https://www.mpeforth.com/news-gossip-and-rumour/mpe-in-the-press/
>
> This book I published is still on the MPE website, even with a link to amazon
> where all of the books I published are offered for purchase - Forth or not
> https://www.mpeforth.com/resource-links/books/

On 16/02/2024 7:03 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
>
> As said before, the Bookshelf started when I was the Sales and Marketing Manager for MPE.
> With picture and description of my function on the MPE website for many years. See further down.
> Working as a consultant for MPE - not as an employee.

A position from which you were 'let go' following incidents on c.l.f. It
explains the probing questions into MPE's new partnership and marketing
in which you - not so subtly - imply you could have done so much better.
"My Forth Bookshelf" is similarly about you demonstrating to the world
your business, marketing and profit-making skills - all under the guise
of "supporting forth" and its authors. With only one (?) title under
your own name you needed others to achieve your ends. You appear to have
got that at a bargain basement price.

On Saturday 17 February 2024 at 02:15:02 UTC, dxf wrote:
> On 16/02/2024 7:03 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> >
> > As said before, the Bookshelf started when I was the Sales and Marketing Manager for MPE.
> > With picture and description of my function on the MPE website for many years. See further down.
> > Working as a consultant for MPE - not as an employee.

> A position from which you were 'let go' following incidents on c.l.f. It
> explains the probing questions into MPE's new partnership and marketing
> in which you - not so subtly - imply you could have done so much better.
> "My Forth Bookshelf" is similarly about you demonstrating to the world
> your business, marketing and profit-making skills - all under the guise
> of "supporting forth" and its authors. With only one (?) title under
> your own name you needed others to achieve your ends. You appear to have
> got that at a bargain basement price.

Look at the growth at MPE comparing the people at MPE then when I was still there as posted
and the people at MPE now.
To my knowledge it had nothing to do with incidents on CLF.
Stephen was attacked in the same way as me by the well known crowd.

There is a similar growth at Forth INC.

It seems there is just not enough interest in Forth.
Unfortunate - but there we are.

If this Bookshelf is still supporting Forth I do not know, but this was the idea then.
And some people are still reading and buying these books.
And why should I write books about Forth - there are quite a few now
and I could not have done better - I am not a Forth programmer:

As MPE presents itself NOW and Gerand Wodni is not shown there.
He had been appointed director in 2018 - 6 years ago as you can see yourself
WODNI, Gerald
Correspondence address
133 Hill Lane, Shirley, Southampton, Hampshire, SO15 5AF
Role ACTIVE
Director
Date of birth June 1985
Appointed on 19 September 2018
Nationality Austrian
Country of residence Austria
Occupation Software Engineer
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/01540885/officers
And I was not probing - it was just general interest after 2 years and nothing happening with this joint GMBH
It seems that Mr. Pelc has gone into his well deserved retirement in Spain
- he will be 76 this year it I remember correctly.:

As MPE presents itself NOW and Gerand Wodni is not shown there:
About Us
Last updated: 21 January 2020

MPE is a decentralised company that takes full advantage of modern communication methods. When you contact us, you will probably be referred to one of the people mentioned here as a technical contact.

Stephen Pelc
Stephen Pelc
Stephen is an electronics engineer by training, but has been writing software since the days of Algol 60.
+44 (0)23 8063 1441, stephen@www.mpeforth.com
Speaks English and French.

Stephen founded MPE in 1981 after a career that included running a community arts centre, printing posters, picking strawberries, writing software for glass cutting machines, designing hardware for active noise reduction and electrostatic stirrers, software for flood warning schemes, and hardware and software for a bank note sorting machine.

Stephen designed the VFX code generator used by MPE’s current Forth systems and managed the European project that produced the first VFX systems.

Barry Culver
Barry Culver
Barry is our UK hardware designer. The PB2468 is one of his designs. According to Barry, electronic design is the art and science of selecting components that fit together to work reliably and well. The joy of electronics is that all the time the range of components is getting wider, with an endless stream of smaller/faster/better parts to choose from!

Apart from electronics, Barry has experience in welding, painting, machining, sheet metal bashing, testing, mechanical design and the other trades of a scientific instrument manufacturer. He’s an excellent Forth application programmer with a fully equipped hardware development lab.
https://www.culverconsultancy.co.uk/about-culver-consultancy
Barry can be relied upon to find a hole in any specification.

Barto Gillespie
Barto Gillespie
Barto is our structural integrity test engineer. He has specialist knowledge of fabrics, domestic furniture, garden excavations and game birds. Barto handles our interactions with all non-humans except cats, with whom he seems to be unable to communicate effectively.

His younger brother Freddie has similar talents and interests.

On Saturday 17 February 2024 at 07:56:13 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> On Saturday 17 February 2024 at 02:15:02 UTC, dxf wrote:
> > On 16/02/2024 7:03 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> > >
> > > As said before, the Bookshelf started when I was the Sales and Marketing Manager for MPE.
> > > With picture and description of my function on the MPE website for many years. See further down.
> > > Working as a consultant for MPE - not as an employee.
>
> > A position from which you were 'let go' following incidents on c.l.f. It
> > explains the probing questions into MPE's new partnership and marketing
> > in which you - not so subtly - imply you could have done so much better..
> > "My Forth Bookshelf" is similarly about you demonstrating to the world
> > your business, marketing and profit-making skills - all under the guise
> > of "supporting forth" and its authors. With only one (?) title under
> > your own name you needed others to achieve your ends. You appear to have
> > got that at a bargain basement price.
> Look at the growth at MPE comparing the people at MPE then when I was still there as posted
> and the people at MPE now.
> To my knowledge it had nothing to do with incidents on CLF.
> Stephen was attacked in the same way as me by the well known crowd.
>
> There is a similar growth at Forth INC.
>
> It seems there is just not enough interest in Forth.
> Unfortunate - but there we are.
>
> If this Bookshelf is still supporting Forth I do not know, but this was the idea then.
> And some people are still reading and buying these books.
> And why should I write books about Forth - there are quite a few now
> and I could not have done better - I am not a Forth programmer:
>
> As MPE presents itself NOW and Gerand Wodni is not shown there.
> He had been appointed director in 2018 - 6 years ago as you can see yourself
> WODNI, Gerald
> Correspondence address
> 133 Hill Lane, Shirley, Southampton, Hampshire, SO15 5AF
> Role ACTIVE
> Director
> Date of birth June 1985
> Appointed on 19 September 2018
> Nationality Austrian
> Country of residence Austria
> Occupation Software Engineer
> https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/01540885/officers
> And I was not probing - it was just general interest after 2 years and nothing happening with this joint GMBH
> It seems that Mr. Pelc has gone into his well deserved retirement in Spain
> - he will be 76 this year it I remember correctly.:
>
>
> As MPE presents itself NOW and Gerand Wodni is not shown there:
> About Us
>
> Last updated: 21 January 2020
> MPE is a decentralised company that takes full advantage of modern communication methods. When you contact us, you will probably be referred to one of the people mentioned here as a technical contact.
> Stephen Pelc
> Stephen Pelc
> Stephen is an electronics engineer by training, but has been writing software since the days of Algol 60.
> +44 (0)23 8063 1441, ste...@www.mpeforth.com
> Speaks English and French.
>
> Stephen founded MPE in 1981 after a career that included running a community arts centre, printing posters, picking strawberries, writing software for glass cutting machines, designing hardware for active noise reduction and electrostatic stirrers, software for flood warning schemes, and hardware and software for a bank note sorting machine.
>
> Stephen designed the VFX code generator used by MPE’s current Forth systems and managed the European project that produced the first VFX systems.
> Barry Culver
> Barry Culver
> Barry is our UK hardware designer. The PB2468 is one of his designs. According to Barry, electronic design is the art and science of selecting components that fit together to work reliably and well. The joy of electronics is that all the time the range of components is getting wider, with an endless stream of smaller/faster/better parts to choose from!
>
> Apart from electronics, Barry has experience in welding, painting, machining, sheet metal bashing, testing, mechanical design and the other trades of a scientific instrument manufacturer. He’s an excellent Forth application programmer with a fully equipped hardware development lab.
> https://www.culverconsultancy.co.uk/about-culver-consultancy
> Barry can be relied upon to find a hole in any specification.
> Barto Gillespie
> Barto Gillespie
> Barto is our structural integrity test engineer. He has specialist knowledge of fabrics, domestic furniture, garden excavations and game birds. Barto handles our interactions with all non-humans except cats, with whom he seems to be unable to communicate effectively.
>
> His younger brother Freddie has similar talents and interests.

Well there are 3 days left until the posting here stops.
Which I now think is a good thing.
Just for the fun of it, I tried to find this post, but it is buried under probably more that 1024 non-Forth posts.
So, I have made sure I have the direct link to it
https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.forth/c/lkwh5gcqf8M
As well I have copied all of the comments here in a PDF which I can now post anywhere.
I have to thank again the many people who made this Forth Bookshelf possible.

And as a fun bit, I made a hardcover version of
PROGRAMMING A PROBLEM-ORIENTED LANGUAGE - Chucks own book.
It is there as eBook and Print Book for many years, but:
When amazon introduced the option as a hard cover, I had to try it out.
I NOW DO OWN A FIRST VERSION OF THE HARD COVER VERSION.
It is definitely a completely different feeling to flick through this one.
Would anybody here be interested to own one?
I own an author approval version - so I am fine,
but if there is enough positive feedback, I will probably finish and publish this version as well.

On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 02:16:32 -0800 (PST)
Jurgen Pitaske <jpitaske@gmail.com> wrote:

[]
> Well there are 3 days left until the posting here stops.
> Which I now think is a good thing.
[]
> And as a fun bit, I made a hardcover version of
> PROGRAMMING A PROBLEM-ORIENTED LANGUAGE - Chucks own book.

Isn't that a little dated?

> It is there as eBook and Print Book for many years, but:
> When amazon introduced the option as a hard cover, I had to try it out.
> I NOW DO OWN A FIRST VERSION OF THE HARD COVER VERSION.
> It is definitely a completely different feeling to flick through this one.
> Would anybody here be interested to own one?
> I own an author approval version - so I am fine,
> but if there is enough positive feedback, I will probably finish and publish this version as well.

Best get you orders in quick!

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

On Monday 19 February 2024 at 10:34:04 UTC, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 02:16:32 -0800 (PST)
> Jurgen Pitaske <jpit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> []
> > Well there are 3 days left until the posting here stops.
> > Which I now think is a good thing.
> []
> > And as a fun bit, I made a hardcover version of
> > PROGRAMMING A PROBLEM-ORIENTED LANGUAGE - Chucks own book.
> Isn't that a little dated?
> > It is there as eBook and Print Book for many years, but:
> > When amazon introduced the option as a hard cover, I had to try it out.
> > I NOW DO OWN A FIRST VERSION OF THE HARD COVER VERSION.
> > It is definitely a completely different feeling to flick through this one.
> > Would anybody here be interested to own one?
> > I own an author approval version - so I am fine,
> > but if there is enough positive feedback, I will probably finish and publish this version as well.
> Best get you orders in quick!
> --
> Bah, and indeed Humbug.

Thank you very much for reminding me
that I should throw away my bible
- because according to your IQ of 4 it is very very dated ...

And Chuck's book in hardcover will be the latest Forth book published to my knowledge ...

No need to get orders in quick, as amazon does not give a monkeys about CLF.
And some people have always found these books independent of CLF.

And I can aways mention the books in other facebook groups or elsewhere ...

And I am really looking forward to not seeing your bullshit anymore.

On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 10:50:29 AM UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> On Monday 19 February 2024 at 10:34:04 UTC, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> > On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 02:16:32 -0800 (PST)
> > Jurgen Pitaske <jpit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > []
> > > Well there are 3 days left until the posting here stops.
> > > Which I now think is a good thing.
> > []
> > > And as a fun bit, I made a hardcover version of
> > > PROGRAMMING A PROBLEM-ORIENTED LANGUAGE - Chucks own book.
> > Isn't that a little dated?
> > > It is there as eBook and Print Book for many years, but:
> > > When amazon introduced the option as a hard cover, I had to try it out.
> > > I NOW DO OWN A FIRST VERSION OF THE HARD COVER VERSION.
> > > It is definitely a completely different feeling to flick through this one.
> > > Would anybody here be interested to own one?
> > > I own an author approval version - so I am fine,
> > > but if there is enough positive feedback, I will probably finish and publish this version as well.
> > Best get you orders in quick!
> > --
> > Bah, and indeed Humbug.
>
>
> Thank you very much for reminding me
> that I should throw away my bible
> - because according to your IQ of 4 it is very very dated ...
>
> And Chuck's book in hardcover will be the latest Forth book published to my knowledge ...
>
> No need to get orders in quick, as amazon does not give a monkeys about CLF.
> And some people have always found these books independent of CLF.
>
> And I can aways mention the books in other facebook groups or elsewhere ....
>
> And I am really looking forward to not seeing your bullshit anymore.

And a last activity here is just to mention,

that I would like to thank again all of the people who supported me
when generating this Forth Bookshelf for interested parties.

And as well I would like to thank all of the people who have supported this project
by buying an eBook or a Print book.

May the Forth be with you ...

On Tuesday 20 February 2024 at 15:00:50 UTC, JUERGEN wrote:
> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 10:50:29 AM UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> > On Monday 19 February 2024 at 10:34:04 UTC, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> > > On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 02:16:32 -0800 (PST)
> > > Jurgen Pitaske <jpit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > []
> > > > Well there are 3 days left until the posting here stops.
> > > > Which I now think is a good thing.
> > > []
> > > > And as a fun bit, I made a hardcover version of
> > > > PROGRAMMING A PROBLEM-ORIENTED LANGUAGE - Chucks own book.
> > > Isn't that a little dated?
> > > > It is there as eBook and Print Book for many years, but:
> > > > When amazon introduced the option as a hard cover, I had to try it out.
> > > > I NOW DO OWN A FIRST VERSION OF THE HARD COVER VERSION.
> > > > It is definitely a completely different feeling to flick through this one.
> > > > Would anybody here be interested to own one?
> > > > I own an author approval version - so I am fine,
> > > > but if there is enough positive feedback, I will probably finish and publish this version as well.
> > > Best get you orders in quick!
> > > --
> > > Bah, and indeed Humbug.
> >
> >
> > Thank you very much for reminding me
> > that I should throw away my bible
> > - because according to your IQ of 4 it is very very dated ...
> >
> > And Chuck's book in hardcover will be the latest Forth book published to my knowledge ...
> >
> > No need to get orders in quick, as amazon does not give a monkeys about CLF.
> > And some people have always found these books independent of CLF.
> >
> > And I can aways mention the books in other facebook groups or elsewhere ...
> >
> > And I am really looking forward to not seeing your bullshit anymore.
> And a last activity here is just to mention,
>
> that I would like to thank again all of the people who supported me
> when generating this Forth Bookshelf for interested parties.
>
> And as well I would like to thank all of the people who have supported this project
> by buying an eBook or a Print book.
>
> May the Forth be with you ...

To make it easy to see which of these books are of interest, see
https://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/books/3970/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_b_1_5_last#5
There are today 6 books of this Forth Bookshelf visible as part of the 100

On Wednesday 21 February 2024 at 07:53:58 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> On Tuesday 20 February 2024 at 15:00:50 UTC, JUERGEN wrote:
> > On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 10:50:29 AM UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> > > On Monday 19 February 2024 at 10:34:04 UTC, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 02:16:32 -0800 (PST)
> > > > Jurgen Pitaske <jpit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > []
> > > > > Well there are 3 days left until the posting here stops.
> > > > > Which I now think is a good thing.
> > > > []
> > > > > And as a fun bit, I made a hardcover version of
> > > > > PROGRAMMING A PROBLEM-ORIENTED LANGUAGE - Chucks own book.
> > > > Isn't that a little dated?
> > > > > It is there as eBook and Print Book for many years, but:
> > > > > When amazon introduced the option as a hard cover, I had to try it out.
> > > > > I NOW DO OWN A FIRST VERSION OF THE HARD COVER VERSION.
> > > > > It is definitely a completely different feeling to flick through this one.
> > > > > Would anybody here be interested to own one?
> > > > > I own an author approval version - so I am fine,
> > > > > but if there is enough positive feedback, I will probably finish and publish this version as well.
> > > > Best get you orders in quick!
> > > > --
> > > > Bah, and indeed Humbug.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you very much for reminding me
> > > that I should throw away my bible
> > > - because according to your IQ of 4 it is very very dated ...
> > >
> > > And Chuck's book in hardcover will be the latest Forth book published to my knowledge ...
> > >
> > > No need to get orders in quick, as amazon does not give a monkeys about CLF.
> > > And some people have always found these books independent of CLF.
> > >
> > > And I can aways mention the books in other facebook groups or elsewhere ...
> > >
> > > And I am really looking forward to not seeing your bullshit anymore.
> > And a last activity here is just to mention,
> >
> > that I would like to thank again all of the people who supported me
> > when generating this Forth Bookshelf for interested parties.
> >
> > And as well I would like to thank all of the people who have supported this project
> > by buying an eBook or a Print book.
> >
> > May the Forth be with you ...
> To make it easy to see which of these books are of interest, see
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/books/3970/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_b_1_5_last#5
> There are today 6 books of this Forth Bookshelf visible as part of the 100

Here as well then as a last post:
May the 4th be with you

On 19/02/2024 9:34 pm, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 02:16:32 -0800 (PST)
> Jurgen Pitaske <jpitaske@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> []
>> Well there are 3 days left until the posting here stops.
>> Which I now think is a good thing.
> []
>> And as a fun bit, I made a hardcover version of
>> PROGRAMMING A PROBLEM-ORIENTED LANGUAGE - Chucks own book.
>
> Isn't that a little dated?
>
>> It is there as eBook and Print Book for many years, but:
>> When amazon introduced the option as a hard cover, I had to try it out.
>> I NOW DO OWN A FIRST VERSION OF THE HARD COVER VERSION.
>> It is definitely a completely different feeling to flick through this one.
>> Would anybody here be interested to own one?
>> I own an author approval version - so I am fine,
>> but if there is enough positive feedback, I will probably finish and publish this version as well.
>
> Best get you orders in quick!

Be sure to get your copy signed as the future of Forth is now ...
collectables.

dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> writes:

> Be sure to get your copy signed as the future of Forth is now ...
> collectables.

Yip.

https://www.ebay.de/itm/166496346252
https://web.archive.org/web/20240222061316/https://www.ebay.de/itm/166496346252

--
( Are we there yet? ) / Time zones? \ .---------------.
\ \ Be patient! / | 2024-02-22 -> |
\ \ '---------------'
_______________________ _@o ____________ _@o _@o _______________|_______

dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> writes:

> Be sure to get your copy signed as the future of Forth is now ...
> collectables.

Yip.

https://www.ebay.de/itm/166496346252
https://web.archive.org/web/20240222061316/https://www.ebay.de/itm/166496346252

--
( Are we there yet? ) / Time zones? \ .---------------.
\ \ Be patient! / | 2024-02-22 -> |
\ \ '---------------'
_______________________ _@o ____________ _@o _@o _______________|_______

On Thursday 22 February 2024 at 06:21:50 UTC, yeti wrote:
> dxf <dxf...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Be sure to get your copy signed as the future of Forth is now ...
> > collectables.
> Yip.
>
> https://www.ebay.de/itm/166496346252
> https://web.archive.org/web/20240222061316/https://www.ebay.de/itm/166496346252
>
> --
> ( Are we there yet? ) / Time zones? \ .---------------.
> \ \ Be patient! / | 2024-02-22 -> |
> \ \ '---------------'
> _______________________ _@o ____________ _@o _@o _______________|_______

Let's see how Forth proceeds.
I am sure Forth will survive.
It was an interesting spare time experience for me only, but with the side effect of this Forth Bookshelf.