Lots of experience here and I can't find the answer online ... We're
working on my neighbor's 1995 Chevy truck , the heater/ac control module
is shot . His truck doesn't have rear window defogger , the only
available new control is only available with the button for rear defog
.... I'm wondering if that unit just has an extra pin or two in the
connector , and if it will swap into his truck that doesn't have that
option . Anybody know ?
--
Snag
Men don't protect women because they're weak .
We protect them because they're important .

"Snag" wrote in message news:uc009q$1v3c8$2@dont-email.me...

Lots of experience here and I can't find the answer online ... We're
working on my neighbor's 1995 Chevy truck , the heater/ac control module
is shot . His truck doesn't have rear window defogger , the only
available new control is only available with the button for rear defog
.... I'm wondering if that unit just has an extra pin or two in the
connector , and if it will swap into his truck that doesn't have that
option . Anybody know ?
Snag

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https://www.autozone.com/diy/repair-guides/gm-full-size-trucks-1988-1998-repair-information-wiring-diagrams-repair-guide-p-0996b43f80c90e70

On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 10:36:31 -0500
Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

> Lots of experience here and I can't find the answer online ... We're
>working on my neighbor's 1995 Chevy truck , the heater/ac control module
>is shot . His truck doesn't have rear window defogger , the only
>available new control is only available with the button for rear defog
>... I'm wondering if that unit just has an extra pin or two in the
>connector , and if it will swap into his truck that doesn't have that
>option . Anybody know ?

Just to mention there are some via Ebay:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1311&_nkw=1995+chevy+silverado+climate+control

Some have decent pictures that may help out...

Prices all over the place, expensive control😬

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI

On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 14:25:45 -0400
Leon Fisk <lfiskgr@gmail.invalid> wrote:

>On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 10:36:31 -0500
>Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> Lots of experience here and I can't find the answer online ... We're
>>working on my neighbor's 1995 Chevy truck , the heater/ac control module
>>is shot . His truck doesn't have rear window defogger , the only
>>available new control is only available with the button for rear defog
>>... I'm wondering if that unit just has an extra pin or two in the
>>connector , and if it will swap into his truck that doesn't have that
>>option . Anybody know ?
>
>Just to mention there are some via Ebay:
>
>https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1311&_nkw=1995+chevy+silverado+climate+control
>
>Some have decent pictures that may help out...
>
>Prices all over the place, expensive control😬
>

So this image has defrost:

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/oy0AAOSw8E9i4DV0/s-l1600.jpg

This one doesn't:

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/eP0AAOSwr1Vk4rwi/s-l1600.jpg

It looks like another module with a couple wires to rear plug are added
to the module with defrost. However the cables that plug in to either
module look the same...

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI

On 8/21/2023 1:38 PM, Leon Fisk wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 14:25:45 -0400
> Leon Fisk <lfiskgr@gmail.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 10:36:31 -0500
>> Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Lots of experience here and I can't find the answer online ... We're
>>> working on my neighbor's 1995 Chevy truck , the heater/ac control module
>>> is shot . His truck doesn't have rear window defogger , the only
>>> available new control is only available with the button for rear defog
>>> ... I'm wondering if that unit just has an extra pin or two in the
>>> connector , and if it will swap into his truck that doesn't have that
>>> option . Anybody know ?
>>
>> Just to mention there are some via Ebay:
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1311&_nkw=1995+chevy+silverado+climate+control
>>
>> Some have decent pictures that may help out...
>>
>> Prices all over the place, expensive control😬
>>
>
> So this image has defrost:
>
> https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/oy0AAOSw8E9i4DV0/s-l1600.jpg
>
> This one doesn't:
>
> https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/eP0AAOSwr1Vk4rwi/s-l1600.jpg
>
> It looks like another module with a couple wires to rear plug are added
> to the module with defrost. However the cables that plug in to either
> module look the same...
>

It has become a moot point , I found a used unit at a local salvage
yard for 40 bucks . It's in overall good shape , only one small tab
broken , and one locator pin . The pin is in a location that we can put
a long screw thru as a replacement . The tab is going to require a dot
of super glue .
--
Snag
Men don't protect women because they're weak .
We protect them because they're important .

On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 14:24:01 -0500
Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

<snip>
> It has become a moot point , I found a used unit at a local salvage
>yard for 40 bucks . It's in overall good shape , only one small tab
>broken , and one locator pin . The pin is in a location that we can put
>a long screw thru as a replacement . The tab is going to require a dot
>of super glue .

That sounds like a good fix. Prices I saw were waaayyyy more
than that😉

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI

On 8/21/2023 2:40 PM, Leon Fisk wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 14:24:01 -0500
> Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>> It has become a moot point , I found a used unit at a local salvage
>> yard for 40 bucks . It's in overall good shape , only one small tab
>> broken , and one locator pin . The pin is in a location that we can put
>> a long screw thru as a replacement . The tab is going to require a dot
>> of super glue .
>
> That sounds like a good fix. Prices I saw were waaayyyy more
> than that😉
>

Yeah , like $150+ for a unit that looked like it was dragged thru the
mud and let dry . And with the lock tabs broken off to boot !
--
Snag
Men don't protect women because they're weak .
We protect them because they're important .

On 8/21/2023 1:42 PM, Snag wrote:
> On 8/21/2023 2:40 PM, Leon Fisk wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 14:24:01 -0500
>> Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>> It has become a moot point , I found a used unit at a local salvage
>>> yard for 40 bucks . It's in overall good shape , only one small tab
>>> broken , and one locator pin . The pin is in a location that we can put
>>> a long screw thru as a replacement . The tab is going to require a dot
>>> of super glue .
>>
>> That sounds like a good fix. Prices I saw were waaayyyy more
>> than that😉
>>
>
>   Yeah , like $150+ for a unit that looked like it was dragged thru the
> mud and let dry . And with the lock tabs broken off to boot !

I figured you had already checked LMC, but gmpartsdirect.com has
surprised me a few times. If I am not sure between a couple options I
have been able to email them the VIN and get a guaranteed correct match.

--
Bob La Londe
CNC Molds N Stuff

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On 8/21/2023 3:57 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
> On 8/21/2023 1:42 PM, Snag wrote:
>> On 8/21/2023 2:40 PM, Leon Fisk wrote:
>>> On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 14:24:01 -0500
>>> Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>> It has become a moot point , I found a used unit at a local salvage
>>>> yard for 40 bucks . It's in overall good shape , only one small tab
>>>> broken , and one locator pin . The pin is in a location that we can put
>>>> a long screw thru as a replacement . The tab is going to require a dot
>>>> of super glue .
>>>
>>> That sounds like a good fix. Prices I saw were waaayyyy more
>>> than that😉
>>>
>>
>>    Yeah , like $150+ for a unit that looked like it was dragged thru
>> the mud and let dry . And with the lock tabs broken off to boot !
>
>
> I figured you had already checked LMC, but gmpartsdirect.com has
> surprised me a few times.  If I am not sure between a couple options I
> have been able to email them the VIN and get a guaranteed correct match.
>

Yup , first place I checked after I saw the used ones going for new
prices . There's quite a bit of stuff from LMC already in/on my truck
and fixin' to be more . I checked Rock , the only one they carry is with
rear defog and this truck doesn't have that feature . I haven't traded
with gmpartsdirect , are their prices competitive ? Sears direct parts
is great for getting part numbers , but I ain't payin' their prices ...
--
Snag
Men don't protect women because they're weak .
We protect them because they're important .

On 8/21/2023 2:33 PM, Snag wrote:
> On 8/21/2023 3:57 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>> On 8/21/2023 1:42 PM, Snag wrote:
>>> On 8/21/2023 2:40 PM, Leon Fisk wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 14:24:01 -0500
>>>> Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>> It has become a moot point , I found a used unit at a local salvage
>>>>> yard for 40 bucks . It's in overall good shape , only one small tab
>>>>> broken , and one locator pin . The pin is in a location that we can
>>>>> put
>>>>> a long screw thru as a replacement . The tab is going to require a dot
>>>>> of super glue .
>>>>
>>>> That sounds like a good fix. Prices I saw were waaayyyy more
>>>> than that😉
>>>>
>>>
>>>    Yeah , like $150+ for a unit that looked like it was dragged thru
>>> the mud and let dry . And with the lock tabs broken off to boot !
>>
>>
>> I figured you had already checked LMC, but gmpartsdirect.com has
>> surprised me a few times.  If I am not sure between a couple options I
>> have been able to email them the VIN and get a guaranteed correct match.
>>
>
>   Yup , first place I checked after I saw the used ones going for new
> prices . There's quite a bit of stuff from LMC already in/on my truck
> and fixin' to be more . I checked Rock , the only one they carry is with
> rear defog and this truck doesn't have that feature . I haven't traded
> with gmpartsdirect , are their prices competitive ? Sears direct parts
> is great for getting part numbers , but I ain't payin' their prices ...

It's been a while. I seem to recall about 40% lower than my business
(small) discount from the local dealer, but everything they sent came in
a GM bag or with GM label. I think they are a front to the public for a
stocking parts dealer. I don't recall the exact name. Long time ago we
use to be able to get warehouse distributor pricing through our hardware
co-op. I figure they are probably fronting for somebody like that.

Interestingly, 20ish years ago everything I bought from LMC except stuff
obviously not available through dealer distribution had OEM tags on it.
lately that has not been the case.

--
Bob La Londe
Proffessional Hack, Hobbyist, Wannabe, Shade Tree, Button Pushing, Not a
real machinist

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On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 10:36:31 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

>
> Lots of experience here and I can't find the answer online ... We're
>working on my neighbor's 1995 Chevy truck , the heater/ac control module
>is shot . His truck doesn't have rear window defogger , the only
>available new control is only available with the button for rear defog
>... I'm wondering if that unit just has an extra pin or two in the
>connector , and if it will swap into his truck that doesn't have that
>option . Anybody know ?
In my past experience it should fit.
Worst case scenario you get the plug for truck with RWD and switch the
pins into the replacement plug (but I REALLY doubt it will be
required)

On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 10:36:31 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

>
> Lots of experience here and I can't find the answer online ... We're
>working on my neighbor's 1995 Chevy truck , the heater/ac control module
>is shot . His truck doesn't have rear window defogger , the only
>available new control is only available with the button for rear defog
>... I'm wondering if that unit just has an extra pin or two in the
>connector , and if it will swap into his truck that doesn't have that
>option . Anybody know ?
Actually I think the RWD switch has a separate harness and plug.

On 8/21/2023 9:15 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 10:36:31 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Lots of experience here and I can't find the answer online ... We're
>> working on my neighbor's 1995 Chevy truck , the heater/ac control module
>> is shot . His truck doesn't have rear window defogger , the only
>> available new control is only available with the button for rear defog
>> ... I'm wondering if that unit just has an extra pin or two in the
>> connector , and if it will swap into his truck that doesn't have that
>> option . Anybody know ?

> Actually I think the RWD switch has a separate harness and plug.
>

Turns out that I found a used OEM replacement locally . For about a
quarter the price they are asking online and in better shape . The
neighbor has plugged it in and it functions as it's supposed to . Now
we're waiting on new air control actuators and a replacement bezel . I
think another neighbor is going to install that stuff . I'm the parts
guy ... seriously , I order parts for several neighbors and they keep me
supplied with beer . But I drink whiskey ... most of the time .
--
Snag
Men don't protect women because they're weak .
We protect them because they're important .

On 8/21/2023 7:46 PM, Snag wrote:
> On 8/21/2023 9:15 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 10:36:31 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>    Lots of experience here and I can't find the answer online ... We're
>>> working on my neighbor's 1995 Chevy truck , the heater/ac control module
>>> is shot . His truck doesn't have rear window defogger , the only
>>> available new control is only available with the button for rear defog
>>> ... I'm wondering if that unit just has an extra pin or two in the
>>> connector , and if it will swap into his truck that doesn't have that
>>> option . Anybody know ?
>
>>    Actually I think the RWD switch has a separate harness and plug.
>>
>
>   Turns out that I found a used OEM replacement locally . For about a
> quarter the price they are asking online and in better shape . The
> neighbor has plugged it in and it functions as it's supposed to . Now
> we're waiting on new air control actuators and a replacement bezel . I
> think another neighbor is going to install that stuff . I'm the parts
> guy ... seriously , I order parts for several neighbors and they keep me
> supplied with beer . But I drink whiskey ... most of the time .

Sounds like a beer party and bonfire behind Snag's house.

--
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Proffessional Hack, Hobbyist, Wannabe, Shade Tree, Button Pushing, Not a
real machinist

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On 8/22/2023 12:53 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
> On 8/21/2023 7:46 PM, Snag wrote:
>> On 8/21/2023 9:15 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>> On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 10:36:31 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>    Lots of experience here and I can't find the answer online ... We're
>>>> working on my neighbor's 1995 Chevy truck , the heater/ac control
>>>> module
>>>> is shot . His truck doesn't have rear window defogger , the only
>>>> available new control is only available with the button for rear defog
>>>> ... I'm wondering if that unit just has an extra pin or two in the
>>>> connector , and if it will swap into his truck that doesn't have that
>>>> option . Anybody know ?
>>
>>>    Actually I think the RWD switch has a separate harness and plug.
>>>
>>
>>    Turns out that I found a used OEM replacement locally . For about a
>> quarter the price they are asking online and in better shape . The
>> neighbor has plugged it in and it functions as it's supposed to . Now
>> we're waiting on new air control actuators and a replacement bezel . I
>> think another neighbor is going to install that stuff . I'm the parts
>> guy ... seriously , I order parts for several neighbors and they keep
>> me supplied with beer . But I drink whiskey ... most of the time .
>
>
> Sounds like a beer party and bonfire behind Snag's house.
>

Not right now , the woods are dry dry dry , and I don't want any
"wild fires" here .
--
Snag
Men don't protect women because they're weak .
We protect them because they're important .

On 8/22/2023 1:15 PM, Snag wrote:
> On 8/22/2023 12:53 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>> On 8/21/2023 7:46 PM, Snag wrote:
>>> On 8/21/2023 9:15 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 10:36:31 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    Lots of experience here and I can't find the answer online ...
>>>>> We're
>>>>> working on my neighbor's 1995 Chevy truck , the heater/ac control
>>>>> module
>>>>> is shot . His truck doesn't have rear window defogger , the only
>>>>> available new control is only available with the button for rear defog
>>>>> ... I'm wondering if that unit just has an extra pin or two in the
>>>>> connector , and if it will swap into his truck that doesn't have that
>>>>> option . Anybody know ?
>>>
>>>>    Actually I think the RWD switch has a separate harness and plug.
>>>>
>>>
>>>    Turns out that I found a used OEM replacement locally . For about
>>> a quarter the price they are asking online and in better shape . The
>>> neighbor has plugged it in and it functions as it's supposed to . Now
>>> we're waiting on new air control actuators and a replacement bezel .
>>> I think another neighbor is going to install that stuff . I'm the
>>> parts guy ... seriously , I order parts for several neighbors and
>>> they keep me supplied with beer . But I drink whiskey ... most of the
>>> time .
>>
>>
>> Sounds like a beer party and bonfire behind Snag's house.
>>
>
>   Not right now , the woods are dry dry dry , and I don't want any
> "wild fires" here .

You just don't want to cleanup after...

--
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Proffessional Hack, Hobbyist, Wannabe, Shade Tree, Button Pushing, Not a
real machinist

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On 8/23/2023 11:10 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
> On 8/22/2023 1:15 PM, Snag wrote:
>> On 8/22/2023 12:53 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>> On 8/21/2023 7:46 PM, Snag wrote:
>>>> On 8/21/2023 9:15 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 10:36:31 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Lots of experience here and I can't find the answer online ...
>>>>>> We're
>>>>>> working on my neighbor's 1995 Chevy truck , the heater/ac control
>>>>>> module
>>>>>> is shot . His truck doesn't have rear window defogger , the only
>>>>>> available new control is only available with the button for rear
>>>>>> defog
>>>>>> ... I'm wondering if that unit just has an extra pin or two in the
>>>>>> connector , and if it will swap into his truck that doesn't have that
>>>>>> option . Anybody know ?
>>>>
>>>>>    Actually I think the RWD switch has a separate harness and plug.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    Turns out that I found a used OEM replacement locally . For about
>>>> a quarter the price they are asking online and in better shape . The
>>>> neighbor has plugged it in and it functions as it's supposed to .
>>>> Now we're waiting on new air control actuators and a replacement
>>>> bezel . I think another neighbor is going to install that stuff .
>>>> I'm the parts guy ... seriously , I order parts for several
>>>> neighbors and they keep me supplied with beer . But I drink whiskey
>>>> ... most of the time .
>>>
>>>
>>> Sounds like a beer party and bonfire behind Snag's house.
>>>
>>
>>    Not right now , the woods are dry dry dry , and I don't want any
>> "wild fires" here .
>
>
> You just don't want to cleanup after...
>

Actually empties are a bonus , just toss 'em in the fire and I'll
rake the aluminum out of the ashes after they cool . The woods really
are pretty dry right now . Extended periods of no rain with periods of
rain so heavy that it just runs off instead of soaking in . After last
winter's sub-zero temps and this summer's semi-drought the trees are
stressed , we're seeing a lot of trees being killed by Hypoxylon Canker
this year . Nasty shit , always in the trees but only manifests when
they are weakened and stressed . Got one white oak tree about 70 ft tall
x about 16" at the base right next to my driveway that's affected and
needs to come out . Neighbor called a couple of days ago to tell me he's
got like 4 trees affected and do I want them for firewood ... OF COURSE
I want free firewood !! Especially since he usually cuts them into stove
lengths for me and all I have to do is haul it home and split/stack .
These are the kind of neighbors everybody wishes they had .
--
Snag
Men don't protect women because they're weak .
We protect them because they're important .

"Snag" wrote in message news:uc8j2s$3l4s4$1@dont-email.me...

Actually empties are a bonus , just toss 'em in the fire and I'll
rake the aluminum out of the ashes after they cool . The woods really
are pretty dry right now . Extended periods of no rain with periods of
rain so heavy that it just runs off instead of soaking in . After last
winter's sub-zero temps and this summer's semi-drought the trees are
stressed , we're seeing a lot of trees being killed by Hypoxylon Canker
this year . Nasty shit , always in the trees but only manifests when
they are weakened and stressed . Got one white oak tree about 70 ft tall
x about 16" at the base right next to my driveway that's affected and
needs to come out . Neighbor called a couple of days ago to tell me he's
got like 4 trees affected and do I want them for firewood ... OF COURSE
I want free firewood !! Especially since he usually cuts them into stove
lengths for me and all I have to do is haul it home and split/stack .
These are the kind of neighbors everybody wishes they had .
Snag

--------------------------
My neighbors let me cut all the dead trees I wanted on their large property,
so logging became my health club. I bought the 91 Ranger to haul it out on
trails that experience showed were too narrow for a full sized pickup.

I built the sawmill to salvage good lumber from the straightest of the
mature oaks that died or blew down on my lot, the dead trees on theirs were
mostly 8" or smaller and had failed to reach the canopy. I wish now I'd
bought the 12" planer instead of the cheaper 9", though the 9" has been
adequate for the wall of bookshelves and new oak door and window frames. The
less perfect wood has become 6" x 6" x 8' columns and 6" x 12" x 12' beams
that I can use for shed roofs or cut thinner as needed. My portable gantry
hoists can be assembled partly within the sheds to stack these heavy timbers
on stickers cut from waste. Have you priced oak lumber recently?

On 8/24/2023 5:58 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> "Snag"  wrote in message news:uc8j2s$3l4s4$1@dont-email.me...
>
>   Actually empties are a bonus , just toss 'em in the fire and I'll
> rake the aluminum out of the ashes after they cool . The woods really
> are pretty dry right now . Extended periods of no rain with periods of
> rain so heavy that it just runs off instead of soaking in . After last
> winter's sub-zero temps and this summer's semi-drought the trees are
> stressed , we're seeing a lot of trees being killed by Hypoxylon Canker
> this year . Nasty shit , always in the trees but only manifests when
> they are weakened and stressed . Got one white oak tree about 70 ft tall
> x about 16" at the base right next to my driveway that's affected and
> needs to come out . Neighbor called a couple of days ago to tell me he's
> got like 4 trees affected and do I want them for firewood ... OF COURSE
> I want free firewood !! Especially since he usually cuts them into stove
> lengths for me and all I have to do is haul it home and split/stack .
>   These are the kind of neighbors everybody wishes they had .
> Snag
>
> --------------------------
> My neighbors let me cut all the dead trees I wanted on their large
> property, so logging became my health club. I bought the 91 Ranger to
> haul it out on trails that experience showed were too narrow for a full
> sized pickup.
>
> I built the sawmill to salvage good lumber from the straightest of the
> mature oaks that died or blew down on my lot, the dead trees on theirs
> were mostly 8" or smaller and had failed to reach the canopy. I wish now
> I'd bought the 12" planer instead of the cheaper 9", though the 9" has
> been adequate for the wall of bookshelves and new oak door and window
> frames. The less perfect wood has become 6" x 6" x 8' columns and 6" x
> 12" x 12' beams that I can use for shed roofs or cut thinner as needed.
> My portable gantry hoists can be assembled partly within the sheds to
> stack these heavy timbers on stickers cut from waste. Have you priced
> oak lumber recently?
>

I haven't , but I can imagine it ain't cheap ! What's really cool
about the woods here is that the trees are so close together they are
encouraged to grow straight up until they can get above the canopy .
Makes for long straight trunks with few side branches .
--
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Men don't protect women because they're weak .
We protect them because they're important .

"Snag" wrote in message news:uc8t3b$3mn23$1@dont-email.me...

I haven't , but I can imagine it ain't cheap ! What's really cool
about the woods here is that the trees are so close together they are
encouraged to grow straight up until they can get above the canopy .
Makes for long straight trunks with few side branches .
Snag

---------------

That's a great help for felling and splitting. As you know but others might
not trees with lower branches may twist, hit another and fall unpredictably
and are difficult to split. I split my firewood with an axe for about 15
years until a helpful friend went into the tree business and unloaded the
trunks of suburban shade trees with heavy side branches in my yard. Then I
built a hand-pumped splitter from a shop crane ram. I mentioned it to a pawn
shop owner who told me he had a powered one for sale, for $200.

It needed new seals for $40, a pump for $100, an oil filter it had lacked
and the brand new replacement engine would stall after about 5 minutes, due
to a leaky float, $3 to fix. Since then it has given 25 years of good
service.

I made a rugged table to store it on, nested above the shop crane. Chain
hoists enable compact storage. When splitting the table is on the far side
for wood to roll onto instead of falling, so the whole operation is at waist
height without heavy lifting off the ground, which my back won't take for
long. Burnable kindling splints go into an obsolete recycling bin on one
side, bark scraps into a bin on the other, simplifying cleanup. I pick up
wood from the ground only once after cutting it to length, otherwise it's in
the trailer or wheelbarrows or stacked on covered pallets, which makes the
dozen or so times each piece is handled much easier.

On 8/25/2023 6:25 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> "Snag"  wrote in message news:uc8t3b$3mn23$1@dont-email.me...
>
>   I haven't , but I can imagine it ain't cheap ! What's really cool
> about the woods here is that the trees are so close together they are
> encouraged to grow straight up until they can get above the canopy .
> Makes for long straight trunks with few side branches .
> Snag
>
> ---------------
>
> That's a great help for felling and splitting. As you know but others
> might not trees with lower branches may twist, hit another and fall
> unpredictably and are difficult to split. I split my firewood with an
> axe for about 15 years until a helpful friend went into the tree
> business and unloaded the trunks of suburban shade trees with heavy side
> branches in my yard. Then I built a hand-pumped splitter from a shop
> crane ram. I mentioned it to a pawn shop owner who told me he had a
> powered one for sale, for $200.
>
> It needed new seals for $40, a pump for $100, an oil filter it had
> lacked and the brand new replacement engine would stall after about 5
> minutes, due to a leaky float, $3 to fix. Since then it has given 25
> years of good service.
>
> I made a rugged table to store it on, nested above the shop crane. Chain
> hoists enable compact storage. When splitting the table is on the far
> side for wood to roll onto instead of falling, so the whole operation is
> at waist height without heavy lifting off the ground, which my back
> won't take for long. Burnable kindling splints go into an obsolete
> recycling bin on one side, bark scraps into a bin on the other,
> simplifying cleanup. I pick up wood from the ground only once after
> cutting it to length, otherwise it's in the trailer or wheelbarrows or
> stacked on covered pallets, which makes the dozen or so times each piece
> is handled much easier.
>

I split with wedges and a maul until I tore the lower end of my left
bicep loose . Then I bought a gas powered splitter . Usually I'll cut to
stove length and trailer out of the woods . I use a pivoting jib crane
with a HF 2500 pound winch to move it to the splitter . Sometimes I'll
use a wheelbarrow to move it to the stack , sometimes I just toss it in
a pile and re-stack later .
I was happily splitting away yesterday when the splitter died ...
turns out there's a small settling bowl as part of the fuel valve , it
was full of junk from the tank . Back in business a half hour later but
by then it was getting a bit too warm . Got 5 more big rounds to split
then it's time to bring some more out of the woods . So far I've got
about 2 cords split and stacked for this winter , all given to me by a
neighbor who wanted more sunlight on his garden . His brother (also has
property here in The Holler) told me Saturday he has 4-5 more trees for
me when I'm ready ...
--
Snag
Men don't protect women because they're weak .
We protect them because they're important .

"Snag" wrote in message news:uca6lg$190n$1@dont-email.me...

I use a pivoting jib crane with a HF 2500 pound winch to move it to the
splitter .

-------------------

You mentioned the jib crane before. How did you mount it to support a
cantilevered side load?

My crane works well from the truck bed but the trailer is too light to lift
much over the side without tipping over. I can flip it on its side by hand
to work on a tire or wheel bearing. It was showing its age when I bought it
in 1975.

I load long logs from the back end with the tripod hoist, whose legs can be
individually walked forward while the log is lowered. The log rests on
folding sawbucks in the trailer to avoid damaging the tailgate or tool box
lid. I've brought in logs up to about 20' long that way to use as wood shed
roof beams; shorter columns fit in the 8' trailer. The only significant
expense for the sheds was the 2' x 8' corrugated galvy roofing, which was $8
per sheet originally and I bought extra. Now it's over $20. The sheets are
mostly tied down with $1.01 cull PT 2x4s to avoid holes for screws, so it
can be reused later elsewhere if damaged by falling branches and hammered
back straight over pipe.

The shed floors and inner end walls that support the stacks are 40" x 48"
pallets, the outer walls are HF camo tarps that last 5 years or more. They
have held up well to heavy snow and ice loads and falling branches, plus a
falling tree that broke one roof beam log and was stopped by the other.

On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 07:26:24 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

>On 8/25/2023 6:25 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>> "Snag"  wrote in message news:uc8t3b$3mn23$1@dont-email.me...
>>
>>   I haven't , but I can imagine it ain't cheap ! What's really cool
>> about the woods here is that the trees are so close together they are
>> encouraged to grow straight up until they can get above the canopy .
>> Makes for long straight trunks with few side branches .
>> Snag
>>
>> ---------------
>>
>> That's a great help for felling and splitting. As you know but others
>> might not trees with lower branches may twist, hit another and fall
>> unpredictably and are difficult to split. I split my firewood with an
>> axe for about 15 years until a helpful friend went into the tree
>> business and unloaded the trunks of suburban shade trees with heavy side
>> branches in my yard. Then I built a hand-pumped splitter from a shop
>> crane ram. I mentioned it to a pawn shop owner who told me he had a
>> powered one for sale, for $200.
>>
>> It needed new seals for $40, a pump for $100, an oil filter it had
>> lacked and the brand new replacement engine would stall after about 5
>> minutes, due to a leaky float, $3 to fix. Since then it has given 25
>> years of good service.
>>
>> I made a rugged table to store it on, nested above the shop crane. Chain
>> hoists enable compact storage. When splitting the table is on the far
>> side for wood to roll onto instead of falling, so the whole operation is
>> at waist height without heavy lifting off the ground, which my back
>> won't take for long. Burnable kindling splints go into an obsolete
>> recycling bin on one side, bark scraps into a bin on the other,
>> simplifying cleanup. I pick up wood from the ground only once after
>> cutting it to length, otherwise it's in the trailer or wheelbarrows or
>> stacked on covered pallets, which makes the dozen or so times each piece
>> is handled much easier.
>>
>
> I split with wedges and a maul until I tore the lower end of my left
>bicep loose . Then I bought a gas powered splitter . Usually I'll cut to
>stove length and trailer out of the woods . I use a pivoting jib crane
>with a HF 2500 pound winch to move it to the splitter . Sometimes I'll
>use a wheelbarrow to move it to the stack , sometimes I just toss it in
>a pile and re-stack later .
> I was happily splitting away yesterday when the splitter died ...
>turns out there's a small settling bowl as part of the fuel valve , it
>was full of junk from the tank . Back in business a half hour later but
>by then it was getting a bit too warm . Got 5 more big rounds to split
>then it's time to bring some more out of the woods . So far I've got
>about 2 cords split and stacked for this winter , all given to me by a
>neighbor who wanted more sunlight on his garden . His brother (also has
>property here in The Holler) told me Saturday he has 4-5 more trees for
>me when I'm ready ...
Wood - the only home heating fuel that heats twice

On 8/25/2023 10:43 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> "Snag"  wrote in message news:uca6lg$190n$1@dont-email.me...
>
> I use a pivoting jib crane with a HF 2500 pound winch to move it to the
> splitter .
>
> -------------------
>
> You mentioned the jib crane before. How did you mount it to support a
> cantilevered side load?
The portable base is made from lengths of c channel that was made for
steel building roof members . They extend past the circle of the jib in
2 directions . A 3rd piece is at a 45° angle opposite , and is shorter .
All 3 have square tube angle braces with doubler pads at the bottom . I
can get about 180° rotation with a load - and yes I've tipped it over a
few times . I also have a pocket for a pivot pin in the front drivers
side corner of my 5x8 utility trailer . With both a hand crank and an
electric winch top section it makes for a pretty flexible setup .

>
> My crane works well from the truck bed but the trailer is too light to
> lift much over the side without tipping over. I can flip it on its side
> by hand to work on a tire or wheel bearing. It was showing its age when
> I bought it in 1975.

I couldn't pick up my 5x8 by hand on my best day ...

>
> I load long logs from the back end with the tripod hoist, whose legs can
> be individually walked forward while the log is lowered. The log rests
> on folding sawbucks in the trailer to avoid damaging the tailgate or
> tool box lid. I've brought in logs up to about 20' long that way to use
> as wood shed roof beams; shorter columns fit in the 8' trailer. The only
> significant expense for the sheds was the 2' x 8' corrugated galvy
> roofing, which was $8 per sheet originally and I bought extra. Now it's
> over $20. The sheets are mostly tied down with $1.01 cull PT 2x4s to
> avoid holes for screws, so it can be reused later elsewhere if damaged
> by falling branches and hammered back straight over pipe.
>
> The shed floors and inner end walls that support the stacks are 40" x
> 48" pallets, the outer walls are HF camo tarps that last 5 years or
> more. They have held up well to heavy snow and ice loads and falling
> branches, plus a falling tree that broke one roof beam log and was
> stopped by the other.
>

I have never needed to bring long stuff out of the woods . If I need
to I'd probably get one of the neighbors to drag it out with their 4X4 .
Rusty the Tractor would just bury the back tires , got plenty of power
but not much traction - especially with the blade up front mounted .
My wood lot is a bunch of re-purposed steel 5 rib roofing panels 12
feet long . I have a stack of new and nearly new roof panels 8' long to
make a roof over it ... if I ever get a round tuit . And all the steel
roofing was free .
--
Snag
Men don't protect women because they're weak .
We protect them because they're important .

On 8/24/2023 2:46 PM, Snag wrote:
> On 8/23/2023 11:10 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>> On 8/22/2023 1:15 PM, Snag wrote:
>>> On 8/22/2023 12:53 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>> On 8/21/2023 7:46 PM, Snag wrote:
>>>>> On 8/21/2023 9:15 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 10:36:31 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Lots of experience here and I can't find the answer online ...
>>>>>>> We're
>>>>>>> working on my neighbor's 1995 Chevy truck , the heater/ac control
>>>>>>> module
>>>>>>> is shot . His truck doesn't have rear window defogger , the only
>>>>>>> available new control is only available with the button for rear
>>>>>>> defog
>>>>>>> ... I'm wondering if that unit just has an extra pin or two in the
>>>>>>> connector , and if it will swap into his truck that doesn't have
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> option . Anybody know ?
>>>>>
>>>>>>    Actually I think the RWD switch has a separate harness and plug.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    Turns out that I found a used OEM replacement locally . For
>>>>> about a quarter the price they are asking online and in better
>>>>> shape . The neighbor has plugged it in and it functions as it's
>>>>> supposed to . Now we're waiting on new air control actuators and a
>>>>> replacement bezel . I think another neighbor is going to install
>>>>> that stuff . I'm the parts guy ... seriously , I order parts for
>>>>> several neighbors and they keep me supplied with beer . But I drink
>>>>> whiskey ... most of the time .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like a beer party and bonfire behind Snag's house.
>>>>
>>>
>>>    Not right now , the woods are dry dry dry , and I don't want any
>>> "wild fires" here .
>>
>>
>> You just don't want to cleanup after...
>>
>
>   Actually empties are a bonus , just toss 'em in the fire and I'll
> rake the aluminum out of the ashes after they cool .

You guys must have that "cold" fire. When we used to have desert
parties there wasn't much left of cans tossed in the fire. I knew
ironwood tended to burn hotter than most woods, but most of our bonfires
were dead fall mesquite.

--
Bob La Londe
Proffessional Hack, Hobbyist, Wannabe, Shade Tree, Button Pushing, Not a
real machinist

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