On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 14:10:51 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

>On 10/5/2023 11:45 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>> "Clare Snyder"  wrote in message
>> news:92fshilaacp08vlb4dvjhc13afpeqn8glo@4ax.com...
>>
>> In NH a 2x6 hardwood plank or beam is acceptable as a replacement bumper.
>>
>> https://casetext.com/regulation/new-hampshire-administrative-code/title-saf-department-of-safety/subtitle-saf-c-commissioner-department-of-safety/chapter-saf-c-3200-official-motor-vehicle-inspection-requirements/part-saf-c-3221-vehicle-body-or-chassis/section-saf-c-322105-wooden-bumpers
>>
>
> I ran a wooden bumper on my '58 Chevy work/play truck in Tennessee
>for years without any problems . It complemented the home built wooden
>flat bed quite nicely if I do say so myself .
It would pass here too - but my truck is not a "junker" and I am
attemting to keep it reasonably "original" Got the new bumper today -
ends up it is a 1997-98 bumper with the full black pad instead of the
original partial grey one

On 10/5/2023 11:46 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 14:10:51 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10/5/2023 11:45 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>>> "Clare Snyder"  wrote in message
>>> news:92fshilaacp08vlb4dvjhc13afpeqn8glo@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> In NH a 2x6 hardwood plank or beam is acceptable as a replacement bumper.
>>>
>>> https://casetext.com/regulation/new-hampshire-administrative-code/title-saf-department-of-safety/subtitle-saf-c-commissioner-department-of-safety/chapter-saf-c-3200-official-motor-vehicle-inspection-requirements/part-saf-c-3221-vehicle-body-or-chassis/section-saf-c-322105-wooden-bumpers
>>>
>>
>> I ran a wooden bumper on my '58 Chevy work/play truck in Tennessee
>> for years without any problems . It complemented the home built wooden
>> flat bed quite nicely if I do say so myself .
> It would pass here too - but my truck is not a "junker" and I am
> attemting to keep it reasonably "original" Got the new bumper today -
> ends up it is a 1997-98 bumper with the full black pad instead of the
> original partial grey one
>

After I read your last post I started looking at replacement bumpers
for the Toyota ... I was surprised that the center section is widely
available and reasonably priced . I'll probably be ordering one because
as my wife said "What's another couple hundred bucks , after all the
money you've spent on that thing it's just a drop in the bucket." And
she's right , but I now expect this SUV will outlast me .
Now that I'm sure the SUV has no more major problems I plan to work
on the truck some more . I'm eager to see what a difference swapping out
the stock 2.73 gears for 3.42's is going to make ... especially since
all the motor work was optimized for the lower gears .
--
Snag
Men don't protect women because they're weak .
We protect them because they're important .

On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 07:02:57 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

>On 10/5/2023 11:46 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>> On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 14:10:51 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/5/2023 11:45 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>>>> "Clare Snyder"  wrote in message
>>>> news:92fshilaacp08vlb4dvjhc13afpeqn8glo@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>> In NH a 2x6 hardwood plank or beam is acceptable as a replacement bumper.
>>>>
>>>> https://casetext.com/regulation/new-hampshire-administrative-code/title-saf-department-of-safety/subtitle-saf-c-commissioner-department-of-safety/chapter-saf-c-3200-official-motor-vehicle-inspection-requirements/part-saf-c-3221-vehicle-body-or-chassis/section-saf-c-322105-wooden-bumpers
>>>>
>>>
>>> I ran a wooden bumper on my '58 Chevy work/play truck in Tennessee
>>> for years without any problems . It complemented the home built wooden
>>> flat bed quite nicely if I do say so myself .
>> It would pass here too - but my truck is not a "junker" and I am
>> attemting to keep it reasonably "original" Got the new bumper today -
>> ends up it is a 1997-98 bumper with the full black pad instead of the
>> original partial grey one
>>
>
> After I read your last post I started looking at replacement bumpers
>for the Toyota ... I was surprised that the center section is widely
>available and reasonably priced . I'll probably be ordering one because
>as my wife said "What's another couple hundred bucks , after all the
>money you've spent on that thing it's just a drop in the bucket." And
>she's right , but I now expect this SUV will outlast me .
> Now that I'm sure the SUV has no more major problems I plan to work
>on the truck some more . I'm eager to see what a difference swapping out
>the stock 2.73 gears for 3.42's is going to make ... especially since
>all the motor work was optimized for the lower gears .

2.73 gears are car gears - particularly with overdrive transmission.
3.42 is a highway gear for a truck. I like the 3.55 gearing on my
Ranger. Occaisionally wish there was another gear on the highway, but
then I look at the speedo and back off the throttle a little - - -

On 10/3/2023 5:33 PM, Snag wrote:
>   And for a while now I thought it was a worn rubber bushing on the
> rear axle lateral stabilizer rod because when I turned left it got worse
> but on right curves it disappeared . But today I did some more checking
> and it was in fact a worn front wheel bearing . This is on the '99
> 4Runner , and I'm glad I finally figured it out . I'm not glad that it's
> such a bitch to disassemble the damn thing to replace it . Whatever , I
> spent the afternoon working on it , and I got it replaced and almost all
> the way back together . I'm going to buy some stuff that will make it
> easier to do the other front wheel , I figure if one went the other
> ain't far behind . I bought the parts for both today ... I really can't
> complain , this unit has over 348,000 miles now and the bearing I just
> replaced was OE .
>   I shudder at the thought that damn thing might have come apart with
> catastrophic results on the road ... we drove that SUV to Memphis and
> back over the weekend , a total of almost 400 miles .

Be glad its not a "newer" Silverado HD. You don't swap the bearing.
You replace the wheel hub assembly.

I kept one planning to see if I could reverse engineer swapping the
bearing, but I got tired of stubbing my toe on it.

--
Bob La Londe
CNC Molds N Stuff

--
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On 10/6/2023 10:03 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 07:02:57 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10/5/2023 11:46 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>> On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 14:10:51 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/5/2023 11:45 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>>>>> "Clare Snyder"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:92fshilaacp08vlb4dvjhc13afpeqn8glo@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> In NH a 2x6 hardwood plank or beam is acceptable as a replacement bumper.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://casetext.com/regulation/new-hampshire-administrative-code/title-saf-department-of-safety/subtitle-saf-c-commissioner-department-of-safety/chapter-saf-c-3200-official-motor-vehicle-inspection-requirements/part-saf-c-3221-vehicle-body-or-chassis/section-saf-c-322105-wooden-bumpers
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I ran a wooden bumper on my '58 Chevy work/play truck in Tennessee
>>>> for years without any problems . It complemented the home built wooden
>>>> flat bed quite nicely if I do say so myself .
>>> It would pass here too - but my truck is not a "junker" and I am
>>> attemting to keep it reasonably "original" Got the new bumper today -
>>> ends up it is a 1997-98 bumper with the full black pad instead of the
>>> original partial grey one
>>>
>>
>> After I read your last post I started looking at replacement bumpers
>> for the Toyota ... I was surprised that the center section is widely
>> available and reasonably priced . I'll probably be ordering one because
>> as my wife said "What's another couple hundred bucks , after all the
>> money you've spent on that thing it's just a drop in the bucket." And
>> she's right , but I now expect this SUV will outlast me .
>> Now that I'm sure the SUV has no more major problems I plan to work
>> on the truck some more . I'm eager to see what a difference swapping out
>> the stock 2.73 gears for 3.42's is going to make ... especially since
>> all the motor work was optimized for the lower gears .
>
> 2.73 gears are car gears - particularly with overdrive transmission.
> 3.42 is a highway gear for a truck. I like the 3.55 gearing on my
> Ranger. Occaisionally wish there was another gear on the highway, but
> then I look at the speedo and back off the throttle a little - - -
>

Mine is the second pickup of that era that I have noted runs that
high gearing . I think it might have been a mileage thing . I just know
that up here in the Ozarks that's too tall .
--
Snag
Men don't protect women because they're weak .
We protect them because they're important .

On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 15:44:31 -0500
Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

<snip>
>> 2.73 gears are car gears - particularly with overdrive transmission.
>> 3.42 is a highway gear for a truck. I like the 3.55 gearing on my
>> Ranger. Occaisionally wish there was another gear on the highway, but
>> then I look at the speedo and back off the throttle a little - - -
>>
>
> Mine is the second pickup of that era that I have noted runs that
>high gearing . I think it might have been a mileage thing . I just know
>that up here in the Ozarks that's too tall .

My old 1982 K10 4x4 with the 6.2L Diesel and 700R4 had .308 diffs🙄

Neighbor bought it a couple years ago now. It's still going, nearly
everyday to his work and back. Had to get the Torque converter rebuilt
last June or so. That made Torque number 2 it twisted out inside...

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI

My 91 Ranger was an odd combination that sat on the lot for 6 months and
went for $2000 below list. I don't know why the factory chose that
combination, especially the 4 cylinder, but it fit my needs well then and
still does now. They didn't say if it was a rejected special order.

It has a 7' bed, 4WD, MT5, 2.3l (100HP) engine and 4.10 differentials that
make it reasonably snappy in 1st through 3rd. It has the height to see brake
lights ahead and deter aggressive MA drivers, the 4WD to handle their
inadequate snow plowing, the cargo volume and length to move firewood,
machine tools and two garden tractors, and the mid-20's fuel economy for 1/2
hour commutes. Plus the bed is low enough to reach over the side, to easily
unload firewood.

It lacks power in 4th and 5th, topping out between 70 and 80, but had no
trouble with 50MPH in a double solid line of commuting traffic. It is NOT
powerful enough for towing on the highway or climbing the mountains of the
northern part of NH, but the southern part of the state is flatter and the
traffic too dense to go fast. Either there is someone in front of me or I
was returning from night school or a party too late at night to risk speed
traps.

On 10/6/2023 11:49 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
> On 10/3/2023 5:33 PM, Snag wrote:
>>    And for a while now I thought it was a worn rubber bushing on the
>> rear axle lateral stabilizer rod because when I turned left it got
>> worse but on right curves it disappeared . But today I did some more
>> checking and it was in fact a worn front wheel bearing . This is on
>> the '99 4Runner , and I'm glad I finally figured it out . I'm not glad
>> that it's such a bitch to disassemble the damn thing to replace it .
>> Whatever , I spent the afternoon working on it , and I got it replaced
>> and almost all the way back together . I'm going to buy some stuff
>> that will make it easier to do the other front wheel , I figure if one
>> went the other ain't far behind . I bought the parts for both today
>> ... I really can't complain , this unit has over 348,000 miles now and
>> the bearing I just replaced was OE .
>>    I shudder at the thought that damn thing might have come apart with
>> catastrophic results on the road ... we drove that SUV to Memphis and
>> back over the weekend , a total of almost 400 miles .
>
>
> Be glad its not a "newer" Silverado HD.  You don't swap the bearing. You
> replace the wheel hub assembly.
>
> I kept one planning to see if I could reverse engineer swapping the
> bearing, but I got tired of stubbing my toe on it.
>
>

I had a guy one time ask me to weld up and regrind the needle bearing
location on a Chevy pickup rear axle . I had to explain to him that the
axle was a tempered steel unit and that there were many reasons that
what he wanted just wasn't going to work . I think I heard him mutter
under his breath as he was leaving something about he was going to find
someone that could . I almost hoped he would , and that I'd come across
him standing by his truck on the side of the road .
--
Snag
Men don't protect women because they're weak .
We protect them because they're important .

On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 15:44:31 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

>On 10/6/2023 10:03 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>> On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 07:02:57 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/5/2023 11:46 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 14:10:51 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/5/2023 11:45 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>>>>>> "Clare Snyder"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:92fshilaacp08vlb4dvjhc13afpeqn8glo@4ax.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In NH a 2x6 hardwood plank or beam is acceptable as a replacement bumper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://casetext.com/regulation/new-hampshire-administrative-code/title-saf-department-of-safety/subtitle-saf-c-commissioner-department-of-safety/chapter-saf-c-3200-official-motor-vehicle-inspection-requirements/part-saf-c-3221-vehicle-body-or-chassis/section-saf-c-322105-wooden-bumpers
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I ran a wooden bumper on my '58 Chevy work/play truck in Tennessee
>>>>> for years without any problems . It complemented the home built wooden
>>>>> flat bed quite nicely if I do say so myself .
>>>> It would pass here too - but my truck is not a "junker" and I am
>>>> attemting to keep it reasonably "original" Got the new bumper today -
>>>> ends up it is a 1997-98 bumper with the full black pad instead of the
>>>> original partial grey one
>>>>
>>>
>>> After I read your last post I started looking at replacement bumpers
>>> for the Toyota ... I was surprised that the center section is widely
>>> available and reasonably priced . I'll probably be ordering one because
>>> as my wife said "What's another couple hundred bucks , after all the
>>> money you've spent on that thing it's just a drop in the bucket." And
>>> she's right , but I now expect this SUV will outlast me .
>>> Now that I'm sure the SUV has no more major problems I plan to work
>>> on the truck some more . I'm eager to see what a difference swapping out
>>> the stock 2.73 gears for 3.42's is going to make ... especially since
>>> all the motor work was optimized for the lower gears .
>>
>> 2.73 gears are car gears - particularly with overdrive transmission.
>> 3.42 is a highway gear for a truck. I like the 3.55 gearing on my
>> Ranger. Occaisionally wish there was another gear on the highway, but
>> then I look at the speedo and back off the throttle a little - - -
>>
>
> Mine is the second pickup of that era that I have noted runs that
>high gearing . I think it might have been a mileage thing . I just know
>that up here in the Ozarks that's too tall .
With under 6 liters that's too tall ANYWHERE there are hills IF you
intend to use it as a "truck"

On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 17:03:15 -0400, Leon Fisk <lfiskgr@gmail.invalid>
wrote:

>On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 15:44:31 -0500
>Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>
><snip>
>>> 2.73 gears are car gears - particularly with overdrive transmission.
>>> 3.42 is a highway gear for a truck. I like the 3.55 gearing on my
>>> Ranger. Occaisionally wish there was another gear on the highway, but
>>> then I look at the speedo and back off the throttle a little - - -
>>>
>>
>> Mine is the second pickup of that era that I have noted runs that
>>high gearing . I think it might have been a mileage thing . I just know
>>that up here in the Ozarks that's too tall .
>
>My old 1982 K10 4x4 with the 6.2L Diesel and 700R4 had .308 diffs?
>
>Neighbor bought it a couple years ago now. It's still going, nearly
>everyday to his work and back. Had to get the Torque converter rebuilt
>last June or so. That made Torque number 2 it twisted out inside...
A 6.2 oil burner has enough torque to handle 3.08 gears - but as you
found it also has enough torque to demolish the converter. Steeper
gearing lowers the required input torque for a given load.

On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 19:27:26 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

>On 10/6/2023 11:49 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>> On 10/3/2023 5:33 PM, Snag wrote:
>>>    And for a while now I thought it was a worn rubber bushing on the
>>> rear axle lateral stabilizer rod because when I turned left it got
>>> worse but on right curves it disappeared . But today I did some more
>>> checking and it was in fact a worn front wheel bearing . This is on
>>> the '99 4Runner , and I'm glad I finally figured it out . I'm not glad
>>> that it's such a bitch to disassemble the damn thing to replace it .
>>> Whatever , I spent the afternoon working on it , and I got it replaced
>>> and almost all the way back together . I'm going to buy some stuff
>>> that will make it easier to do the other front wheel , I figure if one
>>> went the other ain't far behind . I bought the parts for both today
>>> ... I really can't complain , this unit has over 348,000 miles now and
>>> the bearing I just replaced was OE .
>>>    I shudder at the thought that damn thing might have come apart with
>>> catastrophic results on the road ... we drove that SUV to Memphis and
>>> back over the weekend , a total of almost 400 miles .
>>
>>
>> Be glad its not a "newer" Silverado HD.  You don't swap the bearing. You
>> replace the wheel hub assembly.
>>
>> I kept one planning to see if I could reverse engineer swapping the
>> bearing, but I got tired of stubbing my toe on it.
>>
>>
>
> I had a guy one time ask me to weld up and regrind the needle bearing
>location on a Chevy pickup rear axle . I had to explain to him that the
>axle was a tempered steel unit and that there were many reasons that
>what he wanted just wasn't going to work . I think I heard him mutter
>under his breath as he was leaving something about he was going to find
>someone that could . I almost hoped he would , and that I'd come across
>him standing by his truck on the side of the road .
I've seen those axles spray welded and re-ground and actually WORK.
Likely cheaper to get a new axle - particularly now that custom 3rd
party axles are readily available - but 60 years ago it made sense to
"rebuild" them

On 10/6/2023 9:56 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 17:03:15 -0400, Leon Fisk <lfiskgr@gmail.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 15:44:31 -0500
>> Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>>> 2.73 gears are car gears - particularly with overdrive transmission.
>>>> 3.42 is a highway gear for a truck. I like the 3.55 gearing on my
>>>> Ranger. Occaisionally wish there was another gear on the highway, but
>>>> then I look at the speedo and back off the throttle a little - - -
>>>>
>>>
>>> Mine is the second pickup of that era that I have noted runs that
>>> high gearing . I think it might have been a mileage thing . I just know
>>> that up here in the Ozarks that's too tall .
>>
>> My old 1982 K10 4x4 with the 6.2L Diesel and 700R4 had .308 diffs?
>>
>> Neighbor bought it a couple years ago now. It's still going, nearly
>> everyday to his work and back. Had to get the Torque converter rebuilt
>> last June or so. That made Torque number 2 it twisted out inside...
> A 6.2 oil burner has enough torque to handle 3.08 gears - but as you
> found it also has enough torque to demolish the converter. Steeper
> gearing lowers the required input torque for a given load.
>

You want to reconsider that last statement Clare ? I think you might
have it backward on that one . At 5:1 1 ft/lb in gets 5 ft/lb out . To
get 5 out at 4: you need 1.25 in .
A 700R4 trans question . Any idea which wire coming out of the
converter lock vacuum switch energizes the lockup ? I don't think mine
is locking up , the RPM's should hold steady with minor throttle
variations and it doesn't . I want to put a voltmeter or a light bulb
on it while driving on level road at a steady speed to check it .
--
Snag
Men don't protect women because they're weak .
We protect them because they're important .

On 10/6/2023 9:54 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 15:44:31 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10/6/2023 10:03 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>> On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 07:02:57 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/5/2023 11:46 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 14:10:51 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/5/2023 11:45 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>>>>>>> "Clare Snyder"  wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:92fshilaacp08vlb4dvjhc13afpeqn8glo@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In NH a 2x6 hardwood plank or beam is acceptable as a replacement bumper.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://casetext.com/regulation/new-hampshire-administrative-code/title-saf-department-of-safety/subtitle-saf-c-commissioner-department-of-safety/chapter-saf-c-3200-official-motor-vehicle-inspection-requirements/part-saf-c-3221-vehicle-body-or-chassis/section-saf-c-322105-wooden-bumpers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I ran a wooden bumper on my '58 Chevy work/play truck in Tennessee
>>>>>> for years without any problems . It complemented the home built wooden
>>>>>> flat bed quite nicely if I do say so myself .
>>>>> It would pass here too - but my truck is not a "junker" and I am
>>>>> attemting to keep it reasonably "original" Got the new bumper today -
>>>>> ends up it is a 1997-98 bumper with the full black pad instead of the
>>>>> original partial grey one
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> After I read your last post I started looking at replacement bumpers
>>>> for the Toyota ... I was surprised that the center section is widely
>>>> available and reasonably priced . I'll probably be ordering one because
>>>> as my wife said "What's another couple hundred bucks , after all the
>>>> money you've spent on that thing it's just a drop in the bucket." And
>>>> she's right , but I now expect this SUV will outlast me .
>>>> Now that I'm sure the SUV has no more major problems I plan to work
>>>> on the truck some more . I'm eager to see what a difference swapping out
>>>> the stock 2.73 gears for 3.42's is going to make ... especially since
>>>> all the motor work was optimized for the lower gears .
>>>
>>> 2.73 gears are car gears - particularly with overdrive transmission.
>>> 3.42 is a highway gear for a truck. I like the 3.55 gearing on my
>>> Ranger. Occaisionally wish there was another gear on the highway, but
>>> then I look at the speedo and back off the throttle a little - - -
>>>
>>
>> Mine is the second pickup of that era that I have noted runs that
>> high gearing . I think it might have been a mileage thing . I just know
>> that up here in the Ozarks that's too tall .
> With under 6 liters that's too tall ANYWHERE there are hills IF you
> intend to use it as a "truck"
>

You got that right ! This truck originally came from Ohio or near ,
flat country with salted roads ... The motor was built to run in the
bottom third of the "power band" at highway speeds with the 3.42's . I
suspect my gas mileage will go up a little after the gear change since
I'll be running at a more efficient engine speed .
--
Snag
Men don't protect women because they're weak .
We protect them because they're important .

On 10/6/2023 9:59 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 19:27:26 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10/6/2023 11:49 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>> On 10/3/2023 5:33 PM, Snag wrote:
>>>>    And for a while now I thought it was a worn rubber bushing on the
>>>> rear axle lateral stabilizer rod because when I turned left it got
>>>> worse but on right curves it disappeared . But today I did some more
>>>> checking and it was in fact a worn front wheel bearing . This is on
>>>> the '99 4Runner , and I'm glad I finally figured it out . I'm not glad
>>>> that it's such a bitch to disassemble the damn thing to replace it .
>>>> Whatever , I spent the afternoon working on it , and I got it replaced
>>>> and almost all the way back together . I'm going to buy some stuff
>>>> that will make it easier to do the other front wheel , I figure if one
>>>> went the other ain't far behind . I bought the parts for both today
>>>> ... I really can't complain , this unit has over 348,000 miles now and
>>>> the bearing I just replaced was OE .
>>>>    I shudder at the thought that damn thing might have come apart with
>>>> catastrophic results on the road ... we drove that SUV to Memphis and
>>>> back over the weekend , a total of almost 400 miles .
>>>
>>>
>>> Be glad its not a "newer" Silverado HD.  You don't swap the bearing. You
>>> replace the wheel hub assembly.
>>>
>>> I kept one planning to see if I could reverse engineer swapping the
>>> bearing, but I got tired of stubbing my toe on it.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I had a guy one time ask me to weld up and regrind the needle bearing
>> location on a Chevy pickup rear axle . I had to explain to him that the
>> axle was a tempered steel unit and that there were many reasons that
>> what he wanted just wasn't going to work . I think I heard him mutter
>> under his breath as he was leaving something about he was going to find
>> someone that could . I almost hoped he would , and that I'd come across
>> him standing by his truck on the side of the road .
> I've seen those axles spray welded and re-ground and actually WORK.
> Likely cheaper to get a new axle - particularly now that custom 3rd
> party axles are readily available - but 60 years ago it made sense to
> "rebuild" them
>

I figured that since that part of the axle is the inner race for that
needle bearing mild steel weldment wasn't going to last long . This was
the second go-round , he'd worn out both the original bearing and an
offset bearing . IMO a needle bearing in that location on a truck isn't
a very good idea .
--
Snag
Men don't protect women because they're weak .
We protect them because they're important .

"Snag" wrote in message news:ufqkf6$25j6d$1@dont-email.me...

A 700R4 trans question . Any idea which wire coming out of the
converter lock vacuum switch energizes the lockup ? I don't think mine
is locking up , the RPM's should hold steady with minor throttle
variations and it doesn't . I want to put a voltmeter or a light bulb
on it while driving on level road at a steady speed to check it .
Snag

-----------------------

My Honda developed that problem, but instead of the transmission the fault
was with the thermostat, because the computer wouldn't enable lock-up until
the coolant reached normal operating temperature. Finally the torque
converter clutch locked after climbing a hill during the warmer afternoon
return trip. As you say the obvious sign is whether the tach follows the
speedo or the throttle.

The thermostat operated properly in a beaker of water on a hotplate. I think
a rubber rim on the disk had deteriorated enough to allow leakage. A
replacement from Autozone without the rubber fixed the problem, and I keep
forgetting to compare it to a new OEM one.

The temp gauge isn't much more informative than an idiot light:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/114159878163
Now I know that at normal temperature the needle covers the waterline.

I'm glad Honda provided a tach with the automatic transmission. I wish both
vehicles had real oil pressure gauges. The Ford has a dummy oil pressure
gauge operated by a switch and fixed resistor. I bought the Diesel option
oil pressure transducer that's supposed to convert the gauge to analog but
couldn't make it work with air pressure.

https://www.hotrodders.com/threads/700r4-3-wires-out-of-plug.172965/

"Snag" wrote in message news:ufql6f$25n8q$1@dont-email.me...

I figured that since that part of the axle is the inner race for that
needle bearing mild steel weldment wasn't going to last long . This was
the second go-round , he'd worn out both the original bearing and an
offset bearing . IMO a needle bearing in that location on a truck isn't
a very good idea .
Snag

-------------------------------

The Navy had a metal spraying rig meant to repair worn shaft journals on
ships at sea. I think it deposited nickel that wasn't as durable as the
original.

I rebuilt the battered tip of a splitting maul with weld, either MIG or
hardface stick, I considered both and have forgotten which I used, and it's
held up well. Unlike an axle it was easy to grind to acceptable shape. My
grandmother had asked my uncle to remove a bothersome high lump on their
granite entry step and he decided that wrecking a tool was safer and better
than displeasing his strict mother. Granite rejects were common and cheap or
free there, the quarry was visible from the house.

Needle bearings made from pipe and welding rod have worked well for me on
low speed yard equipment and my sawmill. The races for DIY ball thrust
bearings can be turned with the sharpened back end of a carbide drill bit
held slightly off vertical. HSS bits are soft in that area.

"Snag" wrote in message news:ufql6f$25n8q$1@dont-email.me...

> I figured that since that part of the axle is the inner race for that
> needle bearing mild steel weldment wasn't going to last long .

How hard do you want it?
https://tnfarriersupply.com/products/black-diamond-borium-rods
"This borium is a slick, gray stick that works well when applied using an
acetylene torch."

On Fri, 06 Oct 2023 22:56:25 -0400
Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote:

<snip>
>A 6.2 oil burner has enough torque to handle 3.08 gears - but as you
>found it also has enough torque to demolish the converter. Steeper
>gearing lowers the required input torque for a given load.

It's can't hold 60mph in overdrive (4th) on just a moderate incline. It
won't hold in 3rd gear on a substantial highway incline. I just got
used to speeding up before hills and letting it fall back to 40-45mph at
the crest to keep it in overdrive. Top speed was maybe 90mph in 3rd.

It's only rated at 130hp, badly made torque converters in my opinion...

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI

On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 22:48:57 -0500
Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

<snip>
> A 700R4 trans question . Any idea which wire coming out of the
>converter lock vacuum switch energizes the lockup ? I don't think mine
>is locking up , the RPM's should hold steady with minor throttle
>variations and it doesn't . I want to put a voltmeter or a light bulb
>on it while driving on level road at a steady speed to check it .

Converter lock is done via oil pressure being switched to it by solenoid
in the tranny. There is a throttle position switch (was on right side
of my injector pump) somewhere on your carb/injector body that tracks
throttle position. Take your foot off the gas it unlocks. It also goes
through the brake pedal switch. Step on the brake, it unlocks. Another
switch in tranny that won't allow it to lock till its in at least 2nd
gear.

You probably need the wiring diagram to track it down effectively.

Don't I remember you installing a different intake/carb setup on this?
Did you transfer over the throttle position sensor for it?

Dealership thought it would run hot without the torque locking up on
long drives...

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI

On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 22:48:57 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

>On 10/6/2023 9:56 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>> On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 17:03:15 -0400, Leon Fisk <lfiskgr@gmail.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 15:44:31 -0500
>>> Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>>> 2.73 gears are car gears - particularly with overdrive transmission.
>>>>> 3.42 is a highway gear for a truck. I like the 3.55 gearing on my
>>>>> Ranger. Occaisionally wish there was another gear on the highway, but
>>>>> then I look at the speedo and back off the throttle a little - - -
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mine is the second pickup of that era that I have noted runs that
>>>> high gearing . I think it might have been a mileage thing . I just know
>>>> that up here in the Ozarks that's too tall .
>>>
>>> My old 1982 K10 4x4 with the 6.2L Diesel and 700R4 had .308 diffs?
>>>
>>> Neighbor bought it a couple years ago now. It's still going, nearly
>>> everyday to his work and back. Had to get the Torque converter rebuilt
>>> last June or so. That made Torque number 2 it twisted out inside...
>> A 6.2 oil burner has enough torque to handle 3.08 gears - but as you
>> found it also has enough torque to demolish the converter. Steeper
>> gearing lowers the required input torque for a given load.
>>
>
> You want to reconsider that last statement Clare ? I think you might
>have it backward on that one .

No I don't think I have it wrong. If you have a low numeric rear end
- say a 2.5:1 to get 1000 ft lb of torque at the rear axle you need
400 ft lb of input torque.

With a 4.11:1 rear end to get 1000 ft lb to the rear axle you need
only 243 ft lb of input torque. The torque converter only sees the
INPUT torque. In the case of the 6.2 liter Diesel - stock they
output only 145hp and 275 ft lb of torque at 2000 RPM in about 1984.

Compare that to a gas engine - say a 305 small block that only makes
120? ft lb at 2000 - - up to 175 at 3000 and 225 at 3500.

Cruising at 2000 rpm in direct drive and hit the loud pedal the
torque converter sees a LOT more torque out of the deisel - than it
would see out of the 305 - and so will the rear end

With 4.11 gears the engine will be reving higher at a given road
speed than with a 2.5:1 - and the deisel feeding the 2.11 will put a
LOT more punishment on the drivetrain than the 305 would.

Connected to a 4.11 the 305 is reving high enough to provide a bit
more torque so it punishes the drive train at closer to the same
severity as the deisel.

The .7:1 overdrive of a 700R4 makes 1 3.08 gear into a 2.15 and a
4.11 into a 2.87
A 4.38 rear end behind a 700R4 runs like a 3.08 behind a 3 speed
(direct drive high gear) trans.

The 3.55 in my 5 speed ranger thinks it is a 2.76 when the tranny is
in 5th.
>At 5:1 1 ft/lb in gets 5 ft/lb out . To
>get 5 out at 4: you need 1.25 in .
> A 700R4 trans question . Any idea which wire coming out of the
>converter lock vacuum switch energizes the lockup ? I don't think mine
>is locking up , the RPM's should hold steady with minor throttle
>variations and it doesn't . I want to put a voltmeter or a light bulb
>on it while driving on level road at a steady speed to check it .
Is the TCC vac switch a 2 wire or 3 wire?. If 2 wire just connect a
switch to it and extend the wires back to the cab. Turn it on at
cruise and see if it locks. If it doesn't lock just check either wire
on the switch for power. If you have power and nolock it's the
converter. If you have no power it is a control ossue. If it works
with the switch but not without it is a vac switch problem - or a vac
sourse problem. With no (or inadequate) vac the switch will never tell
the TC to lock

On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 23:01:19 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

>On 10/6/2023 9:59 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>> On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 19:27:26 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/6/2023 11:49 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>> On 10/3/2023 5:33 PM, Snag wrote:
>>>>>    And for a while now I thought it was a worn rubber bushing on the
>>>>> rear axle lateral stabilizer rod because when I turned left it got
>>>>> worse but on right curves it disappeared . But today I did some more
>>>>> checking and it was in fact a worn front wheel bearing . This is on
>>>>> the '99 4Runner , and I'm glad I finally figured it out . I'm not glad
>>>>> that it's such a bitch to disassemble the damn thing to replace it .
>>>>> Whatever , I spent the afternoon working on it , and I got it replaced
>>>>> and almost all the way back together . I'm going to buy some stuff
>>>>> that will make it easier to do the other front wheel , I figure if one
>>>>> went the other ain't far behind . I bought the parts for both today
>>>>> ... I really can't complain , this unit has over 348,000 miles now and
>>>>> the bearing I just replaced was OE .
>>>>>    I shudder at the thought that damn thing might have come apart with
>>>>> catastrophic results on the road ... we drove that SUV to Memphis and
>>>>> back over the weekend , a total of almost 400 miles .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Be glad its not a "newer" Silverado HD.  You don't swap the bearing. You
>>>> replace the wheel hub assembly.
>>>>
>>>> I kept one planning to see if I could reverse engineer swapping the
>>>> bearing, but I got tired of stubbing my toe on it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I had a guy one time ask me to weld up and regrind the needle bearing
>>> location on a Chevy pickup rear axle . I had to explain to him that the
>>> axle was a tempered steel unit and that there were many reasons that
>>> what he wanted just wasn't going to work . I think I heard him mutter
>>> under his breath as he was leaving something about he was going to find
>>> someone that could . I almost hoped he would , and that I'd come across
>>> him standing by his truck on the side of the road .
>> I've seen those axles spray welded and re-ground and actually WORK.
>> Likely cheaper to get a new axle - particularly now that custom 3rd
>> party axles are readily available - but 60 years ago it made sense to
>> "rebuild" them
>>
>
> I figured that since that part of the axle is the inner race for that
>needle bearing mild steel weldment wasn't going to last long . This was
>the second go-round , he'd worn out both the original bearing and an
>offset bearing . IMO a needle bearing in that location on a truck isn't
>a very good idea .
GM doesn't think so either which is why they used a ROLLER bearing -
- - -- - It DID make pulling axles and changing grease seals pretty
simple though compared to using ball bearings. - and if they were not
runlow on oil or half filled with water they DID last almost forever.
The bearing contact surface was something like 10 times the contact
surface of a ball bearing

On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 08:35:14 -0400, Leon Fisk <lfiskgr@gmail.invalid>
wrote:

>On Fri, 06 Oct 2023 22:56:25 -0400
>Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>
><snip>
>>A 6.2 oil burner has enough torque to handle 3.08 gears - but as you
>>found it also has enough torque to demolish the converter. Steeper
>>gearing lowers the required input torque for a given load.
>
>It's can't hold 60mph in overdrive (4th) on just a moderate incline. It
>won't hold in 3rd gear on a substantial highway incline. I just got
>used to speeding up before hills and letting it fall back to 40-45mph at
>the crest to keep it in overdrive. Top speed was maybe 90mph in 3rd.
>
>It's only rated at 130hp, badly made torque converters in my opinion...
Forgot which oil burner you were laking about, The 387 Detroit was
pretty anemic, particularly in stock form - and the highway geare they
put on them for fuel economy didn't help ANYTHING. They WERE part of
the problem with the torque converters though. Steeper gears unload
the converter making them last a lot longer.

Those things were "flatlanders"

On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 08:46:40 -0400, Leon Fisk <lfiskgr@gmail.invalid>
wrote:

>On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 22:48:57 -0500
>Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>
><snip>
>> A 700R4 trans question . Any idea which wire coming out of the
>>converter lock vacuum switch energizes the lockup ? I don't think mine
>>is locking up , the RPM's should hold steady with minor throttle
>>variations and it doesn't . I want to put a voltmeter or a light bulb
>>on it while driving on level road at a steady speed to check it .
>
>Converter lock is done via oil pressure being switched to it by solenoid
>in the tranny. There is a throttle position switch (was on right side
>of my injector pump) somewhere on your carb/injector body that tracks
>throttle position. Take your foot off the gas it unlocks. It also goes
>through the brake pedal switch. Step on the brake, it unlocks. Another
>switch in tranny that won't allow it to lock till its in at least 2nd
>gear.
>
>You probably need the wiring diagram to track it down effectively.

On a gas truck it has a vac switch inplace of the throttle position
switch. Most common problem with no lockup was a cracked vac hose
IIRC.
>
>Don't I remember you installing a different intake/carb setup on this?
>Did you transfer over the throttle position sensor for it?
>
>Dealership thought it would run hot without the torque locking up on
>long drives...
An extra heavy duty tranny fluid converter is ALWAYS a good idea on a
truck with an automatic - especially if it has a lockup converter that
may or may not be locking optimally.

On 10/7/2023 4:22 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 08:46:40 -0400, Leon Fisk <lfiskgr@gmail.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 22:48:57 -0500
>> Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>> A 700R4 trans question . Any idea which wire coming out of the
>>> converter lock vacuum switch energizes the lockup ? I don't think mine
>>> is locking up , the RPM's should hold steady with minor throttle
>>> variations and it doesn't . I want to put a voltmeter or a light bulb
>>> on it while driving on level road at a steady speed to check it .
>>
>> Converter lock is done via oil pressure being switched to it by solenoid
>> in the tranny. There is a throttle position switch (was on right side
>> of my injector pump) somewhere on your carb/injector body that tracks
>> throttle position. Take your foot off the gas it unlocks. It also goes
>> through the brake pedal switch. Step on the brake, it unlocks. Another
>> switch in tranny that won't allow it to lock till its in at least 2nd
>> gear.
>>
>> You probably need the wiring diagram to track it down effectively.
>
> On a gas truck it has a vac switch inplace of the throttle position
> switch. Most common problem with no lockup was a cracked vac hose
> IIRC.

Yes I have the vacuum switch . I'm trying to figure out which wire
"goes hot" when the converter is supposed to lock . I know for a fact it
was working before the rebuild . The solenoid was bad , it's wired on
the same fuse as the radio (odd , ennit?) and every time it would try to
lock it'd blow the fuse and kill the radio . The trans has been rebuilt
with a new solenoid and many other parts including a shift kit . I'll be
checking that hose ... But not tomorrow . Tomorrow I'll be replacing the
bearing on the other front wheel . Should be easier than the first ,
I've gotten some better press blocks now .

>>
>> Don't I remember you installing a different intake/carb setup on this?
>> Did you transfer over the throttle position sensor for it?
>>
>> Dealership thought it would run hot without the torque locking up on
>> long drives...
> An extra heavy duty tranny fluid converter is ALWAYS a good idea on a
> truck with an automatic - especially if it has a lockup converter that
> may or may not be locking optimally.
>

I don't know if the converter is a heavy duty unit , I do know it's
been rebuilt . I needed to add .125" spacers between it and the flywheel
to get proper pump drive engagement .
--
Snag
Men don't protect women because they're weak .
We protect them because they're important .

On 10/7/2023 7:13 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> "Snag"  wrote in message news:ufql6f$25n8q$1@dont-email.me...
>
>   I figured that since that part of the axle is the inner race for that
> needle bearing mild steel weldment wasn't going to last long . This was
> the second go-round , he'd worn out both the original bearing and an
> offset bearing . IMO a needle bearing in that location on a truck isn't
> a very good idea .
> Snag
>
> -------------------------------
>
> The Navy had a metal spraying rig meant to repair worn shaft journals on
> ships at sea. I think it deposited nickel that wasn't as durable as the
> original.
>
> I rebuilt the battered tip of a splitting maul with weld, either MIG or
> hardface stick, I considered both and have forgotten which I used, and
> it's held up well. Unlike an axle it was easy to grind to acceptable
> shape. My grandmother had asked my uncle to remove a bothersome high
> lump on their granite entry step and he decided that wrecking a tool was
> safer and better than displeasing his strict mother. Granite rejects
> were common and cheap or free there, the quarry was visible from the house.
>
> Needle bearings made from pipe and welding rod have worked well for me
> on low speed yard equipment and my sawmill. The races for DIY ball
> thrust bearings can be turned with the sharpened back end of a carbide
> drill bit held slightly off vertical. HSS bits are soft in that area.
>

In this case the axle itself was the inner race . Those shafts y'all
spray welded up probably carried an inner race as part of the bearing .
--
Snag
Men don't protect women because they're weak .
We protect them because they're important .