On 18/02/2024 15:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 18/02/2024 13:27, Ian Jackson wrote:
>> In message <uqsjmb$vvgo$1@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes
>>> On 18/02/2024 09:43, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>> Said Keir Starmer. Remember who uttered that same mantra back in the
>>>> 80s? None other than ginger half-wit, Neil Kinnock. No one bought it
>>>> back then and they won't buy it now. The only way to get a
>>>> *meaningful* change is to vote Reform UK, which has a true
>>>> conservative agenda, unlike the fake "Conservatives" who've wrecked
>>>> the country over the last 30 years. Only Reform will re-introduce
>>>> Capital punishment and public floggings and make the streets safe for
>>>> elderly patriots to walk again. Please vote Reform at the GE and allow
>>>> an elderly patriot to come home after too many years away. Thank you.
>>>
>>> Reform will not do anything of the sort, but if it simply stops
>>> funding all this woke nonsense and lets it wither, that would be enough
>>>
>> AIUI, Reform consists of essentially the same team who strongly pushed
>> for Brexit. Having achieved one once-in-a-lifetime crowning success,
>> only a fool would not put them in a position to obtain a second.
>
> Correct, which is why they need to be in government. They are not trying
> to reverse brexit or break the country in half to justify rejoining
>
>
>
The British electorate rejected any change to the first-past
-the-post system not that long ago.

QED 'Reform' are not going to elect a single MP. It's a
wasted vote.

On 18/02/2024 09:43, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> Said Keir Starmer. Remember who uttered that same mantra back in the
> 80s? None other than ginger half-wit, Neil Kinnock. No one bought it
> back then and they won't buy it now. The only way to get a
> *meaningful* change is to vote Reform UK, which has a true
> conservative agenda, unlike the fake "Conservatives" who've wrecked
> the country over the last 30 years. Only Reform will re-introduce
> Capital punishment and public floggings and make the streets safe for
> elderly patriots to walk again. Please vote Reform at the GE and allow
> an elderly patriot to come home after too many years away. Thank you.

Do you now have many chronic health conditions ?. If so, is your
real ambition to freeload off our NHS which you have made zero
contributions towards ?.

On 18/02/2024 12:05, Dan Green wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 12:01:39 +0000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 18/02/2024 09:43, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> Only Reform will re-introduce
>>> Capital punishment and public floggings and make the streets safe for
>>> elderly patriots to walk again.
>>
>> Some good reasons why we shouldn't vote Reform. They were doing well up
>> to that point.
>>
>> The irony is that violent crime has come down since capital punishment
>> was banned. Only a Daily Wail reader would think otherwise.
>
> Meanwhile, knife killings have gone through the roof....

Not in my part of the UK.

On 20/02/2024 18:13, Andrew wrote:
> On 18/02/2024 15:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 18/02/2024 13:27, Ian Jackson wrote:
>>> In message <uqsjmb$vvgo$1@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
>>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes
>>>> On 18/02/2024 09:43, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>>> Said Keir Starmer. Remember who uttered that same mantra back in the
>>>>> 80s? None other than ginger half-wit, Neil Kinnock. No one bought it
>>>>> back then and they won't buy it now. The only way to get a
>>>>> *meaningful* change is to vote Reform UK, which has a true
>>>>> conservative agenda, unlike the fake "Conservatives" who've wrecked
>>>>> the country over the last 30 years. Only Reform will re-introduce
>>>>> Capital punishment and public floggings and make the streets safe for
>>>>> elderly patriots to walk again. Please vote Reform at the GE and allow
>>>>> an elderly patriot to come home after too many years away. Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Reform will not do anything of the sort, but if it simply stops
>>>> funding all this woke nonsense and lets it wither, that would be enough
>>>>
>>> AIUI, Reform consists of essentially the same team who strongly
>>> pushed for Brexit. Having achieved one once-in-a-lifetime crowning
>>> success, only a fool would not put them in a position to obtain a
>>> second.
>>
>> Correct, which is why they need to be in government. They are not
>> trying to reverse brexit or break the country in half to justify
>> rejoining
>>
>>
>>
> The British electorate rejected any change to the first-past
> -the-post system not that long ago.
>
> QED 'Reform' are not going to elect a single MP. It's a
> wasted vote.

Er no.

It's a wasted vote only if you can convince enough people that it is.

As things stand now, many people are beginning to think that a tory,
labour or lib dem vote is wasted anyway, so they might as well vote
reform and fuck it.

If around 30% of those *who can be bothered to vote* do that, reform are
in seats.

What that would mean is pretty moot as far as I am concerned.
Essentially the *whole* civil service needs sacking and the good un-woke
sane ones rehiring with the rest put out to grass.

There will be trouble ahead.

--
There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale
returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.

Mark Twain

On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 06:27:19 +1100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 20/02/2024 18:13, Andrew wrote:
>> On 18/02/2024 15:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 18/02/2024 13:27, Ian Jackson wrote:
>>>> In message <uqsjmb$vvgo$1@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
>>>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes
>>>>> On 18/02/2024 09:43, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>>>> Said Keir Starmer. Remember who uttered that same mantra back in the
>>>>>> 80s? None other than ginger half-wit, Neil Kinnock. No one bought it
>>>>>> back then and they won't buy it now. The only way to get a
>>>>>> *meaningful* change is to vote Reform UK, which has a true
>>>>>> conservative agenda, unlike the fake "Conservatives" who've wrecked
>>>>>> the country over the last 30 years. Only Reform will re-introduce
>>>>>> Capital punishment and public floggings and make the streets safe
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> elderly patriots to walk again. Please vote Reform at the GE and
>>>>>> allow
>>>>>> an elderly patriot to come home after too many years away. Thank
>>>>>> you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Reform will not do anything of the sort, but if it simply stops
>>>>> funding all this woke nonsense and lets it wither, that would be
>>>>> enough
>>>>>
>>>> AIUI, Reform consists of essentially the same team who strongly
>>>> pushed for Brexit. Having achieved one once-in-a-lifetime crowning
>>>> success, only a fool would not put them in a position to obtain a
>>>> second.
>>>
>>> Correct, which is why they need to be in government. They are not
>>> trying to reverse brexit or break the country in half to justify
>>> rejoining
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> The British electorate rejected any change to the first-past
>> -the-post system not that long ago.
>> QED 'Reform' are not going to elect a single MP. It's a
>> wasted vote.
>
> Er no.
>
> It's a wasted vote only if you can convince enough people that it is.
>
> As things stand now, many people are beginning to think that a tory,
> labour or lib dem vote is wasted anyway, so they might as well vote
> reform and fuck it.
>
> If around 30% of those *who can be bothered to vote* do that,

No chance of that.

> reform are in seats.

Just like UKIP weren't, eh ?

> What that would mean is pretty moot as far as I am concerned.
> Essentially the *whole* civil service needs sacking and the good un-woke
> sane ones rehiring with the rest put out to grass.

> There will be trouble ahead.

Says the fool who proclaimed that if the UK dared to vote
for brexit, it would be tanks thru the chunnel in seconds.

On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 07:49:48 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>

--
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"Ah, the voice of scum speaks."
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On 20 Feb 2024 at 19:27:19 GMT, "The Natural Philosopher"
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 20/02/2024 18:13, Andrew wrote:
>> On 18/02/2024 15:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 18/02/2024 13:27, Ian Jackson wrote:
>>>> In message <uqsjmb$vvgo$1@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
>>>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes
>>>>> On 18/02/2024 09:43, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>>>> Said Keir Starmer. Remember who uttered that same mantra back in the
>>>>>> 80s? None other than ginger half-wit, Neil Kinnock. No one bought it
>>>>>> back then and they won't buy it now. The only way to get a
>>>>>> *meaningful* change is to vote Reform UK, which has a true
>>>>>> conservative agenda, unlike the fake "Conservatives" who've wrecked
>>>>>> the country over the last 30 years. Only Reform will re-introduce
>>>>>> Capital punishment and public floggings and make the streets safe for
>>>>>> elderly patriots to walk again. Please vote Reform at the GE and allow
>>>>>> an elderly patriot to come home after too many years away. Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Reform will not do anything of the sort, but if it simply stops
>>>>> funding all this woke nonsense and lets it wither, that would be enough
>>>>>
>>>> AIUI, Reform consists of essentially the same team who strongly
>>>> pushed for Brexit. Having achieved one once-in-a-lifetime crowning
>>>> success, only a fool would not put them in a position to obtain a
>>>> second.
>>>
>>> Correct, which is why they need to be in government. They are not
>>> trying to reverse brexit or break the country in half to justify
>>> rejoining
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> The British electorate rejected any change to the first-past
>> -the-post system not that long ago.
>>
>> QED 'Reform' are not going to elect a single MP. It's a
>> wasted vote.
>
> Er no.
>
> It's a wasted vote only if you can convince enough people that it is.
>
> As things stand now, many people are beginning to think that a tory,
> labour or lib dem vote is wasted anyway, so they might as well vote
> reform and fuck it.

In which case we'd get PR. And then we'd be off having unsackable governments
made up or permanent coalitions, as they have in Israel, and as the EU is.
Gosh - we'd be thinking that we were back in the EU.

--
For me leaving the EU has always been a fundamental if abstract question of democratic accountability: disliking a transnational government it's impossible to kick out.

Iain Martin - The Times 24/11/2022

On 20 Feb 2024 at 22:18:47 GMT, "Tim Streater" <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

> In which case we'd get PR. And then we'd be off having unsackable governments
> made up or permanent coalitions, as they have in Israel, and as the EU is.
> Gosh - we'd be thinking that we were back in the EU.

... made up *of* permanent ...

--
"... you must remember that if you're trying to propagate a creed of poverty, gentleness and tolerance, you need a very rich, powerful, authoritarian organisation to do it." - Vice-Pope Eric

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 18:13:16 +0000, Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com>
wrote:

>On 18/02/2024 15:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 18/02/2024 13:27, Ian Jackson wrote:
>>> In message <uqsjmb$vvgo$1@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
>>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes
>>>> On 18/02/2024 09:43, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>>> Said Keir Starmer. Remember who uttered that same mantra back in the
>>>>> 80s? None other than ginger half-wit, Neil Kinnock. No one bought it
>>>>> back then and they won't buy it now. The only way to get a
>>>>> *meaningful* change is to vote Reform UK, which has a true
>>>>> conservative agenda, unlike the fake "Conservatives" who've wrecked
>>>>> the country over the last 30 years. Only Reform will re-introduce
>>>>> Capital punishment and public floggings and make the streets safe for
>>>>> elderly patriots to walk again. Please vote Reform at the GE and allow
>>>>> an elderly patriot to come home after too many years away. Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Reform will not do anything of the sort, but if it simply stops
>>>> funding all this woke nonsense and lets it wither, that would be enough
>>>>
>>> AIUI, Reform consists of essentially the same team who strongly pushed
>>> for Brexit. Having achieved one once-in-a-lifetime crowning success,
>>> only a fool would not put them in a position to obtain a second.
>>
>> Correct, which is why they need to be in government. They are not trying
>> to reverse brexit or break the country in half to justify rejoining
>>
>>
>>
>The British electorate rejected any change to the first-past
>-the-post system not that long ago.
>
>QED 'Reform' are not going to elect a single MP. It's a
>wasted vote.

And a vote for Lib/Lab/Con/Green etc is *worse* than wasted.

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 09:23:40 +0000
SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:

> On 19/02/2024 21:46, Jim Jackson wrote:
> > On 2024-02-19, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Boris sacked?? anyone who opposed brexit,
> >>>>
> >>>> That's a lie.
> >>>>
> >>>>> and all that was left was the morons.
> >>>>
> >>>> They sacked Boris and so you claim is a lie.
> >>>
> >>> Eventually, even the 'morons' realised that Boris was a wrong'n'.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Although it has since emerged that many of the accusations against
> >> him were false.
> >
> >
> > I smell history being rewritten
>
> Newspapers (of differeing political sides) reported on various of the
> accusations of the time proving to be false, towards the end of last
> year. He was only thrown out because *all* the accusations added
> together were too much, there was no single one big enough. Without
> those false ones, he would quite probably have remained.

As I've posted before, his big crime was imposing these restrictions on
the peasants, and he should have been thrown out for that. Along with a
few fellow-enthusiasts.

--
Joe

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 13:51:06 +0000, Ian Jackson
<ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <40u8tip0i2agvvehuvub26rcja3ar6b7h2@4ax.com>, Cursitor Doom
><cd@notformail.com> writes
>>On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 09:23:40 +0000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On 19/02/2024 21:46, Jim Jackson wrote:
>>>> On 2024-02-19, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Boris sacked?? anyone who opposed brexit,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's a lie.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and all that was left was the morons.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They sacked Boris and so you claim is a lie.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eventually, even the 'morons' realised that Boris was a wrong'n'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Although it has since emerged that many of the accusations against him
>>>>> were false.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I smell history being rewritten
>>>
>>>Newspapers (of differeing political sides) reported on various of the
>>>accusations of the time proving to be false, towards the end of last
>>>year. He was only thrown out because *all* the accusations added
>>>together were too much, there was no single one big enough. Without
>>>those false ones, he would quite probably have remained.
>>
>>I sincerely hope any attempts to whitewash Boris will fail, as they
>>deserve to do. No amount of revisionism is going to wipe away all
>>those bare-faced lies he told, both to the public and parliament. And
>>then he was having all these secret discussions with Zelensky, even
>>after he'd been booted out, promising to squander tax-payers' money on
>>propping up his corrupt regime. On whose authority was he doing that?
>>We'll doubtless never know. I don't see any way back for Boris,
>>fortunately.
>
>Don't count on it not happening. There seem to be quite a lot of
>devotees calling for his return - even if it means putting him in the
>House of Lords.

Well, he did nothing about the small boats and he sold-out Northern
Ireland, so yes, I expect he will end up in the Lords in due course.

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 18:13:16 +0000
Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com> wrote:

> The British electorate rejected any change to the first-past
> -the-post system not that long ago.
>
> QED 'Reform' are not going to elect a single MP. It's a
> wasted vote.

Not entirely. It would appear to be impossible to vote in any
government other than Labour, so the vote becomes available to register
displeasure.

'If there's nobody you want to vote for, there's almost certain to be
someone you particularly want to vote against'.

A few lost deposits might well allow the Conservatives to hear what
they are currently pretending not to.

--
Joe

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 18:20:04 +0000, Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com>
wrote:

>On 18/02/2024 09:43, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> Said Keir Starmer. Remember who uttered that same mantra back in the
>> 80s? None other than ginger half-wit, Neil Kinnock. No one bought it
>> back then and they won't buy it now. The only way to get a
>> *meaningful* change is to vote Reform UK, which has a true
>> conservative agenda, unlike the fake "Conservatives" who've wrecked
>> the country over the last 30 years. Only Reform will re-introduce
>> Capital punishment and public floggings and make the streets safe for
>> elderly patriots to walk again. Please vote Reform at the GE and allow
>> an elderly patriot to come home after too many years away. Thank you.
>
>Do you now have many chronic health conditions ?. If so, is your
>real ambition to freeload off our NHS which you have made zero
>contributions towards ?.

I can get free treatment in all EU countries if I need it. So far it's
not been necessary, thankfully.

On 20/02/2024 17:50, SteveW wrote:
> On 20/02/2024 09:50, alan_m wrote:
>> On 19/02/2024 21:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> Like the fact that our human rights lawyers and our energy policy and
>>> our immigration  is still 100% EU.
>>
>> All (relevant) EU law was adopted as UK law before Brexit. That
>> doesn't mean it cannot change and divert from eU law in the future.
>
> Many of those laws were due to be repealed or replaced by our own
> version by now, but a huge number was instead allowed to continue as
> they are.
>

Possibly because the EU law in most cases was fit for purpose. The
point being is that the UK can now change the law if deemed necessary
without the EU having a say in the matter. Brexit wasn't about
scrapping every EU law and replacing it with something completely different.

--
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On 20/02/2024 23:31, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 18:20:04 +0000, Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 18/02/2024 09:43, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>> Said Keir Starmer. Remember who uttered that same mantra back in the
>>> 80s? None other than ginger half-wit, Neil Kinnock. No one bought it
>>> back then and they won't buy it now. The only way to get a
>>> *meaningful* change is to vote Reform UK, which has a true
>>> conservative agenda, unlike the fake "Conservatives" who've wrecked
>>> the country over the last 30 years. Only Reform will re-introduce
>>> Capital punishment and public floggings and make the streets safe for
>>> elderly patriots to walk again. Please vote Reform at the GE and allow
>>> an elderly patriot to come home after too many years away. Thank you.
>>
>> Do you now have many chronic health conditions ?. If so, is your
>> real ambition to freeload off our NHS which you have made zero
>> contributions towards ?.
>
> I can get free treatment in all EU countries if I need it. So far it's
> not been necessary, thankfully.

https://www.nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/healthcare-abroad/apply-for-a-free-uk-global-health-insurance-card-ghic/

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Am 20/02/2024 um 23:16 schrieb Cursitor Doom:
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 18:13:16 +0000, Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 18/02/2024 15:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 18/02/2024 13:27, Ian Jackson wrote:
>>>> In message <uqsjmb$vvgo$1@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
>>>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes
>>>>> On 18/02/2024 09:43, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>>>> Said Keir Starmer. Remember who uttered that same mantra back in the
>>>>>> 80s? None other than ginger half-wit, Neil Kinnock. No one bought it
>>>>>> back then and they won't buy it now. The only way to get a
>>>>>> *meaningful* change is to vote Reform UK, which has a true
>>>>>> conservative agenda, unlike the fake "Conservatives" who've wrecked
>>>>>> the country over the last 30 years. Only Reform will re-introduce
>>>>>> Capital punishment and public floggings and make the streets safe for
>>>>>> elderly patriots to walk again. Please vote Reform at the GE and allow
>>>>>> an elderly patriot to come home after too many years away. Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Reform will not do anything of the sort, but if it simply stops
>>>>> funding all this woke nonsense and lets it wither, that would be enough
>>>>>
>>>> AIUI, Reform consists of essentially the same team who strongly pushed
>>>> for Brexit. Having achieved one once-in-a-lifetime crowning success,
>>>> only a fool would not put them in a position to obtain a second.
>>>
>>> Correct, which is why they need to be in government. They are not trying
>>> to reverse brexit or break the country in half to justify rejoining
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> The British electorate rejected any change to the first-past
>> -the-post system not that long ago.
>>
>> QED 'Reform' are not going to elect a single MP. It's a
>> wasted vote.
>
> And a vote for Lib/Lab/Con/Green etc is *worse* than wasted.

I'll vote for the King and the House of lards.

--
Ottavio Caruso

On 20/02/2024 22:18, Tim Streater wrote:
> On 20 Feb 2024 at 19:27:19 GMT, "The Natural Philosopher"
> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 20/02/2024 18:13, Andrew wrote:
>>> On 18/02/2024 15:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 18/02/2024 13:27, Ian Jackson wrote:
>>>>> In message <uqsjmb$vvgo$1@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
>>>>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes
>>>>>> On 18/02/2024 09:43, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>>>>> Said Keir Starmer. Remember who uttered that same mantra back in the
>>>>>>> 80s? None other than ginger half-wit, Neil Kinnock. No one bought it
>>>>>>> back then and they won't buy it now. The only way to get a
>>>>>>> *meaningful* change is to vote Reform UK, which has a true
>>>>>>> conservative agenda, unlike the fake "Conservatives" who've wrecked
>>>>>>> the country over the last 30 years. Only Reform will re-introduce
>>>>>>> Capital punishment and public floggings and make the streets safe for
>>>>>>> elderly patriots to walk again. Please vote Reform at the GE and allow
>>>>>>> an elderly patriot to come home after too many years away. Thank you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Reform will not do anything of the sort, but if it simply stops
>>>>>> funding all this woke nonsense and lets it wither, that would be enough
>>>>>>
>>>>> AIUI, Reform consists of essentially the same team who strongly
>>>>> pushed for Brexit. Having achieved one once-in-a-lifetime crowning
>>>>> success, only a fool would not put them in a position to obtain a
>>>>> second.
>>>>
>>>> Correct, which is why they need to be in government. They are not
>>>> trying to reverse brexit or break the country in half to justify
>>>> rejoining
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The British electorate rejected any change to the first-past
>>> -the-post system not that long ago.
>>>
>>> QED 'Reform' are not going to elect a single MP. It's a
>>> wasted vote.
>>
>> Er no.
>>
>> It's a wasted vote only if you can convince enough people that it is.
>>
>> As things stand now, many people are beginning to think that a tory,
>> labour or lib dem vote is wasted anyway, so they might as well vote
>> reform and fuck it.
>
> In which case we'd get PR. And then we'd be off having unsackable governments
> made up or permanent coalitions, as they have in Israel, and as the EU is.
> Gosh - we'd be thinking that we were back in the EU.
>
Do you really think that if Reform won in a FPTP they would suddenly be
so keen on proportional representation?

And there is little evidence that European NATIONAL governments are
unsackable - only the EU itself.

--
For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and
wrong.

H.L.Mencken

On 21/02/2024 08:50, alan_m wrote:
> On 20/02/2024 17:50, SteveW wrote:
>> On 20/02/2024 09:50, alan_m wrote:
>>> On 19/02/2024 21:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> Like the fact that our human rights lawyers and our energy policy
>>>> and our immigration  is still 100% EU.
>>>
>>> All (relevant) EU law was adopted as UK law before Brexit. That
>>> doesn't mean it cannot change and divert from eU law in the future.
>>
>> Many of those laws were due to be repealed or replaced by our own
>> version by now, but a huge number was instead allowed to continue as
>> they are.
>>
>
> Possibly because the EU law in most cases was fit for purpose.  The
> point being is that the UK can now change the law if deemed necessary
> without the EU having a say in the matter.  Brexit wasn't about
> scrapping every EU law and replacing it with something completely
> different.
>
The whole point of the 'deal' was to make sure than in all important
respects we could *not* change the law.

>

--
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have
forgotten your aim."

George Santayana

On 21 Feb 2024 at 10:19:38 GMT, "The Natural Philosopher"
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 20/02/2024 22:18, Tim Streater wrote:
>> On 20 Feb 2024 at 19:27:19 GMT, "The Natural Philosopher"
>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 20/02/2024 18:13, Andrew wrote:
>>>> On 18/02/2024 15:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 18/02/2024 13:27, Ian Jackson wrote:
>>>>>> In message <uqsjmb$vvgo$1@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
>>>>>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes

>>>>>>> Reform will not do anything of the sort, but if it simply stops
>>>>>>> funding all this woke nonsense and lets it wither, that would be enough
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> AIUI, Reform consists of essentially the same team who strongly
>>>>>> pushed for Brexit. Having achieved one once-in-a-lifetime crowning
>>>>>> success, only a fool would not put them in a position to obtain a
>>>>>> second.
>>>>>
>>>>> Correct, which is why they need to be in government. They are not
>>>>> trying to reverse brexit or break the country in half to justify
>>>>> rejoining
>>>>>
>>>> The British electorate rejected any change to the first-past
>>>> -the-post system not that long ago.
>>>>
>>>> QED 'Reform' are not going to elect a single MP. It's a
>>>> wasted vote.
>>>
>>> Er no.
>>>
>>> It's a wasted vote only if you can convince enough people that it is.
>>>
>>> As things stand now, many people are beginning to think that a tory,
>>> labour or lib dem vote is wasted anyway, so they might as well vote
>>> reform and fuck it.
>>
>> In which case we'd get PR. And then we'd be off having unsackable governments
>> made up or permanent coalitions, as they have in Israel, and as the EU is.
>> Gosh - we'd be thinking that we were back in the EU.
>>
> Do you really think that if Reform won in a FPTP they would suddenly be
> so keen on proportional representation?

Small party, no hopes of governing, so - keen on PR. Who does that remind us
of?

According to the Times, PR is official Reform policy.

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On 21/02/2024 10:57, Tim Streater wrote:
> On 21 Feb 2024 at 10:19:38 GMT, "The Natural Philosopher"
> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 20/02/2024 22:18, Tim Streater wrote:
>>> On 20 Feb 2024 at 19:27:19 GMT, "The Natural Philosopher"
>>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 20/02/2024 18:13, Andrew wrote:
>>>>> On 18/02/2024 15:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>> On 18/02/2024 13:27, Ian Jackson wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <uqsjmb$vvgo$1@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
>>>>>>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes
>
>>>>>>>> Reform will not do anything of the sort, but if it simply stops
>>>>>>>> funding all this woke nonsense and lets it wither, that would be enough
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> AIUI, Reform consists of essentially the same team who strongly
>>>>>>> pushed for Brexit. Having achieved one once-in-a-lifetime crowning
>>>>>>> success, only a fool would not put them in a position to obtain a
>>>>>>> second.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Correct, which is why they need to be in government. They are not
>>>>>> trying to reverse brexit or break the country in half to justify
>>>>>> rejoining
>>>>>>
>>>>> The British electorate rejected any change to the first-past
>>>>> -the-post system not that long ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> QED 'Reform' are not going to elect a single MP. It's a
>>>>> wasted vote.
>>>>
>>>> Er no.
>>>>
>>>> It's a wasted vote only if you can convince enough people that it is.
>>>>
>>>> As things stand now, many people are beginning to think that a tory,
>>>> labour or lib dem vote is wasted anyway, so they might as well vote
>>>> reform and fuck it.
>>>
>>> In which case we'd get PR. And then we'd be off having unsackable governments
>>> made up or permanent coalitions, as they have in Israel, and as the EU is.
>>> Gosh - we'd be thinking that we were back in the EU.
>>>
>> Do you really think that if Reform won in a FPTP they would suddenly be
>> so keen on proportional representation?
>
> Small party, no hopes of governing, so - keen on PR. Who does that remind us
> of?
>
> According to the Times, PR is official Reform policy.
>
It is now. It wouldn't be if they won.

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gospel of envy.

Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

Winston Churchill

On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 09:43:25 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:

>Said Keir Starmer. Remember who uttered that same mantra back in the
>80s? None other than ginger half-wit, Neil Kinnock. No one bought it
>back then and they won't buy it now. The only way to get a
>*meaningful* change is to vote Reform UK, which has a true
>conservative agenda, unlike the fake "Conservatives" who've wrecked
>the country over the last 30 years. Only Reform will re-introduce
>Capital punishment and public floggings and make the streets safe for
>elderly patriots to walk again. Please vote Reform at the GE and allow
>an elderly patriot to come home after too many years away. Thank you.

What's any of that got to do with you, a foriegner?

In message <l3lrq3FqgabU1@mid.individual.net>, alan_m
<junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> writes
>On 20/02/2024 17:50, SteveW wrote:
>> On 20/02/2024 09:50, alan_m wrote:
>>> On 19/02/2024 21:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> Like the fact that our human rights lawyers and our energy policy
>>>>and our immigration  is still 100% EU.
>>>
>>> All (relevant) EU law was adopted as UK law before Brexit. That
>>>doesn't mean it cannot change and divert from eU law in the future.
>> Many of those laws were due to be repealed or replaced by our own
>>version by now, but a huge number was instead allowed to continue as
>>they are.
>>
>
>Possibly because the EU law in most cases was fit for purpose. The
>point being is that the UK can now change the law if deemed necessary
>without the EU having a say in the matter. Brexit wasn't about
>scrapping every EU law and replacing it with something completely
>different.
>
Many a dedicated pro-Brexit LBC Radio in-phoner, when asked which EU
laws and regulations the UK needed to scrap, couldn't (despite being
hard pressed by the presenter) actually think of a single one - and
usually gave in by replying "All of them."
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Aims and ambitions are neither attainments nor achievements

On 21/02/2024 15:33, Ian Jackson wrote:
> In message <l3lrq3FqgabU1@mid.individual.net>, alan_m
> <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> writes
>> On 20/02/2024 17:50, SteveW wrote:
>>> On 20/02/2024 09:50, alan_m wrote:
>>>> On 19/02/2024 21:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Like the fact that our human rights lawyers and our energy policy
>>>>> and  our immigration  is still 100% EU.
>>>>
>>>> All (relevant) EU law was adopted as UK law before Brexit. That
>>>> doesn't mean it cannot change and divert from eU law in the future.
>>>  Many of those laws were due to be repealed or replaced by our own
>>> version by now, but a huge number was instead allowed to continue as
>>> they are.
>>>
>>
>> Possibly because the EU law in most cases was fit for purpose. The
>> point being is that the UK can now change the law if deemed necessary
>> without the EU having a say in the matter.  Brexit wasn't about
>> scrapping every EU law and replacing it with something completely
>> different.
>>
> Many a dedicated pro-Brexit LBC Radio in-phoner, when asked which EU
> laws and regulations the UK needed to scrap, couldn't (despite being
> hard pressed by the presenter) actually think of a single one - and
> usually gave in by replying "All of them."

I dont do phone ins. If I had been asked I would have unhesitatingly
said the Climate Change Act.

Inspired by the Renewable Obligation Directive and gold plated by Miliband .

But we signed away any control over that as part of the Deal. Our
climate policies are still dictated by Brussels and the whole reason for
leaving is now pointless. As is our taxation courtesy of the NI treaty.

In short in reality, we haven't left. A remainer parliament has no
intention of deviating from Brussels, and all we saved was the price of
membership.

And the remainers are busy wrecking the country to prove we would have
been better off staying in .

Do you wonder they are about to be kicked out?

And when people realise Labour are inconceivably even worse, where do
YOU think they will turn?

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....than to have answers that cannot be questioned

Richard Feynman

On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 02:33:06 +1100, Ian Jackson
<ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:

> In message <l3lrq3FqgabU1@mid.individual.net>, alan_m
> <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> writes
>> On 20/02/2024 17:50, SteveW wrote:
>>> On 20/02/2024 09:50, alan_m wrote:
>>>> On 19/02/2024 21:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Like the fact that our human rights lawyers and our energy policy
>>>>> and our immigration is still 100% EU.
>>>>
>>>> All (relevant) EU law was adopted as UK law before Brexit. That
>>>> doesn't mean it cannot change and divert from eU law in the future.
>>> Many of those laws were due to be repealed or replaced by our own
>>> version by now, but a huge number was instead allowed to continue as
>>> they are.
>>>
>>
>> Possibly because the EU law in most cases was fit for purpose. The
>> point being is that the UK can now change the law if deemed necessary
>> without the EU having a say in the matter. Brexit wasn't about
>> scrapping every EU law and replacing it with something completely
>> different.
>>
> Many a dedicated pro-Brexit LBC Radio in-phoner, when asked which EU
> laws and regulations the UK needed to scrap, couldn't (despite being
> hard pressed by the presenter) actually think of a single one - and
> usually gave in by replying "All of them."

Just because some fools are ignorant...

One obvious one is the ban on govt subsidys

Plenty of others like the rules about vacuum cleaner
power and what the govt can do vat rate wise.

On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 05:19:12 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>

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