On 03/03/2024 in message <us1v04$2h1es$2@dont-email.me> The Natural
Philosopher wrote:

>>>>If you think there is any excuse for blowing new born babies to pieces
>>>>then you must see a psychiatrist now, run, don't walk.
>>>>
>>>Its you that are excusing Hamas, not me
>>
>>Haven't mentioned them, see an optician on the way back from the
>>psychiatrist
>>
>The fact that you haven't mentioned them, when they are the root cause of
>everything, is a tribute to your anti-semitic cognitive dissonance.

That's not true, the root cause is Israel's occupation of Palestine, they
need to get out.

>
>Hamas were the ones that killed babies in their mothers wombs. Hamas are
>the Gaza government,

I have covered the elections, are you naive enough to believe elections in
Gaza are free and fair?

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
Captcha is thinking of stopping the use of pictures with traffic lights as
cyclists don't know what they are.

On 3 Mar 2024 17:36:54 GMT
"Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

> On 03/03/2024 in message <us1v25$2h1es$3@dont-email.me> The Natural
> Philosopher wrote:
>
> >On 02/03/2024 19:03, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> >>On 02/03/2024 in message <op.2j0o5escbyq249@pvr2.lan> Rod Speed
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>>If you think there is any excuse for blowing new born babies
> >>>>>>to pieces then you must see a psychiatrist now, run, don't
> >>>>>>walk.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>Its you that are excusing Hamas, not me
> >>>>
> >>>>Haven't mentioned them,
> >>>
> >>>Because you are completely one eyed.
> >>
> >>No, because it's Palestinian civilians who are being slaughtered by
> >>Israel.
> >>
> >No, they are not. That is simply what (unmentionable) Hamas want you
> >to believe, and you have been completely taken in.
>
> They are verified figures. Why are you defending the scum who are
> slaughtering women and children?
>

Oooo, I think I know this one. It's because he's a righttard nutcase,
isn't it?

On 3 Mar 2024 at 17:32:06 GMT, ""Jeff Gaines"" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

> On 03/03/2024 in message <l4jgbnFirqtU1@mid.individual.net> Tim Streater
> wrote:
>
>> On 3 Mar 2024 at 14:02:19 GMT, ""Jeff Gaines"" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 03/03/2024 in message <l4is3kFfrn9U1@mid.individual.net> Tim Streater
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2 Mar 2024 at 22:34:48 GMT, ""Jeff Gaines"" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> All of my posts have been about Palestinian civilians. Hamas are
>>>>> terrorists and need to be dealt with but you can't eliminate ideals, in
>>>>> fact the slaughter being carried out by Israel will tend to bring
>>>>> Palestinians together against a common enemy, it's human nature.
>>>>
>>>> You'll have to explain how you would deal with Hamas, in order to
>>>> eliminate
>>>> them, without doing what Israel is doing. Bearing in mind that lots of
>>>> civilians died in Europe between D-Day and the end of the war.
>>>
>>> I don't "have" to do anything.
>>
>> IOW, you don't have a fucking clue how to get rid of Hamas.
>
> Why should I?

If you can't come up with a process to eliminate Hamas involving no civilian
casualties, you probably need to STFU.

Any fool can shoot their mouth off about what "ought" to happen - any
protester with a placard does that just by marching on the street. The hard
part is coming up with constructive ideas which address the issue. Stop
belling the cat, OK?

--
There's no obfuscated Perl contest because it's pointless.

- Jeff Polk

On 03/03/2024 in message <l4jtabFkon2U1@mid.individual.net> Tim Streater
wrote:

>>>IOW, you don't have a fucking clue how to get rid of Hamas.
>>
>>Why should I?
>
>If you can't come up with a process to eliminate Hamas involving no
>civilian
>casualties, you probably need to STFU.
>
>Any fool can shoot their mouth off about what "ought" to happen - any
>protester with a placard does that just by marching on the street. The hard
>part is coming up with constructive ideas which address the issue. Stop
>belling the cat, OK?

No idea why I should come up with ideas for eliminating Hamas (apart from
the one I have put forward). My post originally was about the Slaughter of
Palestinian civilians by Israel.

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
Most people have heard of Karl Marx the philosopher but few know of his
sister Onya the Olympic runner.
Her name is still mentioned at the start of every race.

On 3 Mar 2024 17:38:48 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:

>On 03/03/2024 in message <us1v04$2h1es$2@dont-email.me> The Natural
>Philosopher wrote:
>
>>>>>If you think there is any excuse for blowing new born babies to pieces
>>>>>then you must see a psychiatrist now, run, don't walk.
>>>>>
>>>>Its you that are excusing Hamas, not me
>>>
>>>Haven't mentioned them, see an optician on the way back from the
>>>psychiatrist
>>>
>>The fact that you haven't mentioned them, when they are the root cause of
>>everything, is a tribute to your anti-semitic cognitive dissonance.
>
>That's not true, the root cause is Israel's occupation of Palestine, they
>need to get out.

This is a situation which *is* Britain's fault for once. We often get
blamed for all sorts of shit which is nothing to do with us, but
creating Israel out of Palestine in 1948 and all the subsequent shit
is down to us, I'm sorry to say. Balfour has a *lot* to answer for. It
would probably be for the best if we admitted we'd made a terrible
mistake and pressed for the disestablishment of Israel. That decision
- to create a new state out of occupied land - has had disastrous
consequences from day 1.

On 3 Mar 2024 at 18:26:47 GMT, ""Jeff Gaines"" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

> On 03/03/2024 in message <l4jtabFkon2U1@mid.individual.net> Tim Streater
> wrote:
>
>>>> IOW, you don't have a fucking clue how to get rid of Hamas.
>>>
>>> Why should I?
>>
>> If you can't come up with a process to eliminate Hamas involving no
>> civilian casualties, you probably need to STFU.
>>
>> Any fool can shoot their mouth off about what "ought" to happen - any
>> protester with a placard does that just by marching on the street. The hard
>> part is coming up with constructive ideas which address the issue. Stop
>> belling the cat, OK?
>
> No idea why I should come up with ideas for eliminating Hamas (apart from
> the one I have put forward). My post originally was about the Slaughter of
> Palestinian civilians by Israel.

You're in the class of people who say that we can stop all war just by
refusing to fight. Historically, this is a policy that has had limited
success.

--
When I saw how the European Union was developing, it was very obvious what they had in mind was not democratic. In Britain you vote for a government so the government has to listen to you, and if you don't like it you can change it.

Tony Benn

On 3 Mar 2024 at 18:26:47 GMT, ""Jeff Gaines"" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

> No idea why I should come up with ideas for eliminating Hamas (apart from
> the one I have put forward).

Which idea was that?

--
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D M Procida, UCSM

On 03/03/2024 18:19, Tim Streater wrote:
> On 3 Mar 2024 at 17:32:06 GMT, ""Jeff Gaines"" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>> On 03/03/2024 in message <l4jgbnFirqtU1@mid.individual.net> Tim Streater
>> wrote:

>>> IOW, you don't have a fucking clue how to get rid of Hamas.
>>
>> Why should I?
>
> If you can't come up with a process to eliminate Hamas involving no civilian
> casualties, you probably need to STFU.
>
> Any fool can shoot their mouth off about what "ought" to happen - any
> protester with a placard does that just by marching on the street. The hard
> part is coming up with constructive ideas which address the issue. Stop
> belling the cat, OK?
>
The point is he ISN'T belling the cat.

Just reiterating that it needs belling, as if that made him relevant,
intelligent or virtuous, instead of a virtue signalling moron.

--
“Ideas are inherently conservative. They yield not to the attack of
other ideas but to the massive onslaught of circumstance"

- John K Galbraith

On 03/03/2024 17:34, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 03/03/2024 in message <us1vcq$2h1es$7@dont-email.me> The Natural
> Philosopher wrote:
>
>>> All of my posts have been about Palestinian civilians. Hamas are
>>> terrorists and need to be dealt with but you can't eliminate ideals,
>>> in fact the slaughter being carried out by Israel will tend to bring
>>> Palestinians together against a common enemy, it's human nature.
>>>
>> Has in not occurred to you that Hamas is deliberately using the
>> average palestinian as a human shield? Precisely so they can scream
>> 'victim' when one gets hurt?
>
> So what? It doesn't justify blowing women and children to pieces.
>
It does if they are unavoidably in the way. Its called 'war'

>
>> Juts as the IRA stood at the back of catholic protests and fired at
>> the army hoping to provoke a massacre for their propaganda?
>>
>> Either your are monumentally lacking in intelligence, or violently
>> anti-semitic.
>
> I am not interested in religion, that's a personal mater for individuals.
>
What has that got to do with anything I said?

--
“Ideas are inherently conservative. They yield not to the attack of
other ideas but to the massive onslaught of circumstance"

- John K Galbraith

On Mon, 04 Mar 2024 01:02:19 +1100, Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:

> On 03/03/2024 in message <l4is3kFfrn9U1@mid.individual.net> Tim Streater
> wrote:
>
>> On 2 Mar 2024 at 22:34:48 GMT, ""Jeff Gaines"" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> All of my posts have been about Palestinian civilians. Hamas are
>>> terrorists and need to be dealt with but you can't eliminate ideals, in
>>> fact the slaughter being carried out by Israel will tend to bring
>>> Palestinians together against a common enemy, it's human nature.
>>
>> You'll have to explain how you would deal with Hamas, in order to
>> eliminate
>> them, without doing what Israel is doing. Bearing in mind that lots of
>> civilians died in Europe between D-Day and the end of the war.
>
> I don't "have" to do anything. Hamas arose because Israel is occupying
> Palestine and has been slaughtering Palestinians non stop ever since.

Corse no palestinians have ever slaughtered any israelis eh, you one eyed
bigot.

> Hamas won't be needed once the Palestinians have their country back.

Not going to happen.

On Mon, 04 Mar 2024 04:34:30 +1100, Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:

> On 03/03/2024 in message <us1vcq$2h1es$7@dont-email.me> The Natural
> Philosopher wrote:
>
>>> All of my posts have been about Palestinian civilians. Hamas are
>>> terrorists and need to be dealt with but you can't eliminate ideals,
>>> in fact the slaughter being carried out by Israel will tend to bring
>>> Palestinians together against a common enemy, it's human nature.
>>>
>> Has in not occurred to you that Hamas is deliberately using the average
>> palestinian as a human shield? Precisely so they can scream 'victim'
>> when one gets hurt?
>
> So what? It doesn't justify blowing women and children to pieces.

But its fine when Hamas does that eh ?

>> Juts as the IRA stood at the back of catholic protests and fired at the
>> army hoping to provoke a massacre for their propaganda?
>>
>> Either your are monumentally lacking in intelligence, or violently
>> anti-semitic.

> I am not interested in religion, that's a personal mater for individuals.

But you are a one eyed bigot about palestinians and israelis.

On Mon, 04 Mar 2024 04:35:59 +1100, Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:

> On 03/03/2024 in message <us1v55$2h1es$5@dont-email.me> The Natural
> Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 02/03/2024 15:43, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>> On 02/03/2024 in message <urvf0t$1u4ro$1@dont-email.me> The Natural
>>> Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> No, it is a bunch of Israelis surgically excising religious
>>>> fanatics, who happen to be using ordinary people as human shields
>>>
>>> It's a bunch of Israeli scum slaughtering Palestinians.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Unless you understand the basics of radical Islam, you have no hope
>>>> of having a fair and balanced view on this and should stfu.
>>>
>>> Palestinians are not radical Islamists.
>>>
>> But they are. In Gaza. They voted in Hamas.

> I have covered this,

You in fact mindlessly pig ignorantly lied about elections in Gaza

> scroll up and have a look.

No point, it was always mindless shit.

> Please don't assume a free and fair election.

No one did that.

On 03/03/2024 17:35, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 03/03/2024 in message <us1v6j$2h1es$6@dont-email.me> The Natural
> Philosopher wrote:
>
>>> Do you imagine it was an election in an English village hall with a
>>> couple of local lady volunteers taking ballot papers and a bobby
>>> standing in the corner? Don't you think it rather more likely that a
>>> swarthy bloke with an AK47 marched the voter in to the ballot and
>>> pointed out where he should put his "X"?
>>>
>>> Suggesting it was a free and fair vote is ludicrous.
>>>
>>
>> Well they could have moved to Israel, and had free elections
>
> Why should they?
>
Because they wanted free elections of course?

--
Truth welcomes investigation because truth knows investigation will lead
to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques.

On Mon, 04 Mar 2024 04:36:54 +1100, Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:

> On 03/03/2024 in message <us1v25$2h1es$3@dont-email.me> The Natural
> Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 02/03/2024 19:03, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>> On 02/03/2024 in message <op.2j0o5escbyq249@pvr2.lan> Rod Speed wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> If you think there is any excuse for blowing new born babies to
>>>>>>> pieces then you must see a psychiatrist now, run, don't walk.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its you that are excusing Hamas, not me
>>>>>
>>>>> Haven't mentioned them,
>>>>
>>>> Because you are completely one eyed.
>>>
>>> No, because it's Palestinian civilians who are being slaughtered by
>>> Israel.
>>>
>> No, they are not. That is simply what (unmentionable) Hamas want you to
>> believe, and you have been completely taken in.

> They are verified figures.

Bullshit they are.

> Why are you defending the scum who are slaughtering women and children?

Why are you defending the scum who
slaughtered israeli women and children?

Because you are a one eyed anti semitic bigot.

And anti semitic isnt about religioun.

On 03/03/2024 17:36, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 03/03/2024 in message <us1v25$2h1es$3@dont-email.me> The Natural
> Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 02/03/2024 19:03, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>> On 02/03/2024 in message <op.2j0o5escbyq249@pvr2.lan> Rod Speed wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> If you think there is any excuse for blowing new born babies
>>>>>>> to    pieces then you must see a psychiatrist now, run, don't walk.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its you that are excusing Hamas, not me
>>>>>
>>>>> Haven't mentioned them,
>>>>
>>>> Because you are completely one eyed.
>>>
>>> No, because it's Palestinian civilians who are being slaughtered by
>>> Israel.
>>>
>> No, they are not. That is simply what (unmentionable) Hamas want you
>> to believe, and you have been completely taken in.
>
> They are verified figures. Why are you defending the scum who are
> slaughtering women and children?
>
No, its you who are doing that.
Verified by whom?

--
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to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques.

On Mon, 04 Mar 2024 04:38:48 +1100, Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:

> On 03/03/2024 in message <us1v04$2h1es$2@dont-email.me> The Natural
> Philosopher wrote:
>
>>>>> If you think there is any excuse for blowing new born babies to
>>>>> pieces then you must see a psychiatrist now, run, don't walk.
>>>>>
>>>> Its you that are excusing Hamas, not me
>>>
>>> Haven't mentioned them, see an optician on the way back from the
>>> psychiatrist
>>>
>> The fact that you haven't mentioned them, when they are the root cause
>> of everything, is a tribute to your anti-semitic cognitive dissonance.

> That's not true,

Fraid so.

> the root cause is Israel's occupation of Palestine,

The root cause is the UN granting the state of israel.

> they need to get out.

Not going to happen.

>> Hamas were the ones that killed babies in their mothers wombs. Hamas
>> are the Gaza government,

> I have covered the elections,

Nope, you mindlessly pig ignorantly lied about them.

> are you naive enough to believe elections in Gaza are free and fair?

It isnt that black and white, fool

On Mon, 04 Mar 2024 05:48:33 +1100, Dan Green <dhg99908@hotmail.se> wrote:

> On 3 Mar 2024 17:38:48 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 03/03/2024 in message <us1v04$2h1es$2@dont-email.me> The Natural
>> Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>>>>> If you think there is any excuse for blowing new born babies to
>>>>>> pieces
>>>>>> then you must see a psychiatrist now, run, don't walk.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Its you that are excusing Hamas, not me
>>>>
>>>> Haven't mentioned them, see an optician on the way back from the
>>>> psychiatrist
>>>>
>>> The fact that you haven't mentioned them, when they are the root cause
>>> of
>>> everything, is a tribute to your anti-semitic cognitive dissonance.
>>
>> That's not true, the root cause is Israel's occupation of Palestine,
>> they
>> need to get out.
>
> This is a situation which *is* Britain's fault for once. We often get
> blamed for all sorts of shit which is nothing to do with us, but
> creating Israel out of Palestine in 1948 and all the subsequent shit
> is down to us, I'm sorry to say.

No its not. Its actually down to the UN.

> Balfour has a *lot* to answer for. It
> would probably be for the best if we admitted we'd made a terrible
> mistake and pressed for the disestablishment of Israel.

Wouldnt have happened.

> That decision
> - to create a new state out of occupied land - has had disastrous
> consequences from day 1.

Yes, but that is down to the UN, not Britain.

There are other examples of the creation of a new state
out of occupied land which did work, most obviously
with the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc etc etc.

And others that failed like all of africa.

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On 03/03/2024 in message <l4jv0gFl18sU1@mid.individual.net> Tim Streater
wrote:

>>No idea why I should come up with ideas for eliminating Hamas (apart from
>>the one I have put forward). My post originally was about the Slaughter of
>>Palestinian civilians by Israel.
>
>You're in the class of people who say that we can stop all war just by
>refusing to fight. Historically, this is a policy that has had limited
>success.

No idea where you got that from. We need to resolve the root problem which
is Israel's occupation of Israel and its slaughter of Palestinians, Israel
need to be driven out of Palestine.

--
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Tell me what you need, and I'll tell you how to get along without it.

On 03/03/2024 in message <op.2j2obpidbyq249@pvr2.lan> Rod Speed wrote:

>On Mon, 04 Mar 2024 04:34:30 +1100, Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On 03/03/2024 in message <us1vcq$2h1es$7@dont-email.me> The Natural
>>Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>>>All of my posts have been about Palestinian civilians. Hamas are
>>>>terrorists and need to be dealt with but you can't eliminate ideals, in
>>>>fact the slaughter being carried out by Israel will tend to bring
>>>>Palestinians together against a common enemy, it's human nature.
>>>>
>>>Has in not occurred to you that Hamas is deliberately using the average
>>>palestinian as a human shield? Precisely so they can scream 'victim'
>>>when one gets hurt?
>>
>>So what? It doesn't justify blowing women and children to pieces.
>
>But its fine when Hamas does that eh ?

I have never said that but it's no excuse for vengeance slaughter which is
what Israel is doing. Did you see the news today? Israeli scum have
slaughtered Palestinians trying to get food.

>
>>>Juts as the IRA stood at the back of catholic protests and fired at the
>>>army hoping to provoke a massacre for their propaganda?
>>>
>>>Either your are monumentally lacking in intelligence, or violently
>>>anti-semitic.
>
>>I am not interested in religion, that's a personal mater for individuals.
>
>But you are a one eyed bigot about palestinians and israelis.

I note your view, are you a member of the Rod Speed Friends of Israel like
80% of Conservative MPs?

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