On Sun, 03 Mar 2024 02:43:56 +1100, Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
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> On 02/03/2024 in message <urvf0t$1u4ro$1@dont-email.me> The Natural
> Philosopher wrote:
>
>> No, it is a bunch of Israelis surgically excising religious fanatics,
>> who happen to be using ordinary people as human shields
>
> It's a bunch of Israeli scum slaughtering Palestinians.

After Hamas slaughtered Israelis.

>> Unless you understand the basics of radical Islam, you have no hope of
>> having a fair and balanced view on this and should stfu.

> Palestinians are not radical Islamists.

But Hamas is.

On Sun, 03 Mar 2024 02:45:12 +1100, Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:

> On 02/03/2024 in message <urvf1n$1u4ro$2@dont-email.me> The Natural
> Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 02/03/2024 14:40, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>> On 02/03/2024 in message <urvb8e$1tc3m$1@dont-email.me> SteveW wrote:
>>>
>>>>> To me it reflects the actions of Israel in blowing new born babies
>>>>> to pieces, totally unacceptable.
>>>>
>>>> There is a vast difference between targeting civilians and them
>>>> being collateral damage when targeting military and political
>>>> targets that the resident power has deliberately based in civilian
>>>> areas to hide them, shield them or for politcal gain when they can
>>>> point to the collatoral damage of an attack.
>>>
>>> If you think there is any excuse for blowing new born babies to
>>> pieces then you must see a psychiatrist now, run, don't walk.
>>>
>> Its you that are excusing Hamas, not me
>
> Haven't mentioned them,

Because you are completely one eyed.

> see an optician on the way back from the psychiatrist

No optician can help with your one eye.

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On Sun, 03 Mar 2024 01:40:41 +1100, Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
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> On 02/03/2024 in message <urvb8e$1tc3m$1@dont-email.me> SteveW wrote:
>
>>> To me it reflects the actions of Israel in blowing new born babies to
>>> pieces, totally unacceptable.
>>
>> There is a vast difference between targeting civilians and them being
>> collateral damage when targeting military and political targets that
>> the resident power has deliberately based in civilian areas to hide
>> them, shield them or for politcal gain when they can point to the
>> collatoral damage of an attack.

> If you think there is any excuse for blowing new born babies to pieces

Of course there was with the nuking of Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

That saved countless american and japanese lives by ending the war sooner.

> then you must see a psychiatrist now, run, don't walk.

That's a childish 'argument'

On 02/03/2024 in message <5b3b658bb2charles@candehope.me.uk> charles wrote:

>In article <xn0oium4b61s24500w@news.individual.net>,
> Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
>>On 02/03/2024 in message <urvf0t$1u4ro$1@dont-email.me> The Natural
>>Philosopher wrote:
>
>>>No, it is a bunch of Israelis surgically excising religious fanatics, who
>>>happen to be using ordinary people as human shields
>
>>It's a bunch of Israeli scum slaughtering Palestinians.
>
>>>
>>>Unless you understand the basics of radical Islam, you have no hope of
>>>having a fair and balanced view on this and should stfu.
>
>>Palestinians are not radical Islamists.
>
>But Hamas are, and, those in Gaza elected them as their government

Do you imagine it was an election in an English village hall with a couple
of local lady volunteers taking ballot papers and a bobby standing in the
corner? Don't you think it rather more likely that a swarthy bloke with an
AK47 marched the voter in to the ballot and pointed out where he should
put his "X"?

Suggesting it was a free and fair vote is ludicrous.

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On 02/03/2024 in message <op.2j0o21t5byq249@pvr2.lan> Rod Speed wrote:

>On Sun, 03 Mar 2024 02:43:56 +1100, Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On 02/03/2024 in message <urvf0t$1u4ro$1@dont-email.me> The Natural
>>Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>>No, it is a bunch of Israelis surgically excising religious fanatics,
>>>who happen to be using ordinary people as human shields
>>
>>It's a bunch of Israeli scum slaughtering Palestinians.
>
>After Hamas slaughtered Israelis.

Absolutely no excuse and the while world is clear on that. What Israel is
doing is pure vengeance.

>
>>>Unless you understand the basics of radical Islam, you have no hope of
>>>having a fair and balanced view on this and should stfu.
>
>>Palestinians are not radical Islamists.
>
>But Hamas is.

And as I said it's Palestinian civilians, 25,000 being women and children,
who are being slaughtered.

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On 02/03/2024 in message <op.2j0o5escbyq249@pvr2.lan> Rod Speed wrote:

>>>>If you think there is any excuse for blowing new born babies to pieces
>>>>then you must see a psychiatrist now, run, don't walk.
>>>>
>>>Its you that are excusing Hamas, not me
>>
>>Haven't mentioned them,
>
>Because you are completely one eyed.

No, because it's Palestinian civilians who are being slaughtered by Israel.

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Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote
> charles wrote
>> Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote
>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote

>>>> No, it is a bunch of Israelis surgically excising religious fanatics,
>>>> who happen to be using ordinary people as human shields

>>> It's a bunch of Israeli scum slaughtering Palestinians.

>>>> Unless you understand the basics of radical Islam, you have nohope
>>>> of having a fair and balanced view on this and should stfu.

>>> Palestinians are not radical Islamists.

But they do mostly support what Hamas was doing attacking Israel wise.

>> But Hamas are, and, those in Gaza elected them as their government

> Do you imagine it was an election in an English village hall with a
> couple of local lady volunteers taking ballot papers and a bobby
> standing in the corner? Don't you think it rather more likely that a
> swarthy bloke with an AK47 marched the voter in to the ballot and
> pointed out where he should put his "X"?

Voting wasnt done in Gaza like that.

> Suggesting it was a free and fair vote is ludicrous.

Having fun thrashing that straw man ?

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Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote
>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote

>>>> No, it is a bunch of Israelis surgically excising religious
>>>> fanatics, who happen to be using ordinary people as human shields

>>> It's a bunch of Israeli scum slaughtering Palestinians.

>> After Hamas slaughtered Israelis.

> Absolutely no excuse

It isnt about excuses.

> and the while world is clear on that.

That's a lie.

> What Israel is doing is pure vengeance.

They are doing what they believe is the only way to
avoid another attack like Oct 7, wipe out Hamas.

Bet we never see Hamas do another attack like Oct 7 again.

>>>> Unless you understand the basics of radical Islam, you have nohope
>>>> of having a fair and balanced view on this and should stfu.

>>> Palestinians are not radical Islamists.

>> But Hamas is.

> And as I said it's Palestinian civilians,

And it was Israeli civilians on Oct 7

> 25,000 being women and children,who are being slaughtered.

That number is the Hamas claim

Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>>>>> If you think there is any excuse for blowing new born babies to
>>>>> pieces then you must see a psychiatrist now, run, don't walk.

>>>> Its you that are excusing Hamas, not me

>>> Haven't mentioned them,

>> Because you are completely one eyed.

> No,

Yep. You never even mentioned the Israeli civilians Hamas
slaughtered on Oct 7 or the hostages they took then.

> because it's Palestinian civilians who are being slaughtered by Israel.

Because of the Israeli civilians who were slaughtered on Oct 7
and because Hamas is using Gazans as human shields now.

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On 02/03/2024 14:40, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 02/03/2024 in message <urvb8e$1tc3m$1@dont-email.me> SteveW wrote:
>
>>> To me it reflects the actions of Israel in blowing new born babies to
>>> pieces, totally unacceptable.
>>
>> There is a vast difference between targeting civilians and them being
>> collateral damage when targeting military and political targets that
>> the resident power has deliberately based in civilian areas to hide
>> them, shield them or for politcal gain when they can point to the
>> collatoral damage of an attack.
>
> If you think there is any excuse for blowing new born babies to pieces
> then you must see a psychiatrist now, run, don't walk.

Where has Israel deliberately targeted babies, as opposed to targeting
legitimate military targets that were too close to babies?

On 02/03/2024 18:58, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 02/03/2024 in message <5b3b658bb2charles@candehope.me.uk> charles wrote:
>
>> In article <xn0oium4b61s24500w@news.individual.net>,
>>   Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
>>> On 02/03/2024 in message <urvf0t$1u4ro$1@dont-email.me> The Natural
>>> Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>>> No, it is a bunch of Israelis surgically excising religious
>>>> fanatics, who
>>>> happen to be using ordinary people as human shields
>>
>>> It's a bunch of Israeli scum slaughtering Palestinians.
>>
>>>>
>>>> Unless you understand the basics of radical Islam, you have no hope of
>>>> having a fair and balanced view on this and should stfu.
>>
>>> Palestinians  are not radical Islamists.
>>
>> But Hamas are, and, those in Gaza elected them as their government
>
> Do you imagine it was an election in an English village hall with a
> couple of local lady volunteers taking ballot papers and a bobby
> standing in the corner? Don't you think it rather more likely that a
> swarthy bloke with an AK47 marched the voter in to the ballot and
> pointed out where he should put his "X"?
>
> Suggesting it was a free and fair vote is ludicrous.

Even more reason that Hamas need to be eliminated.

On 02/03/2024 19:03, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 02/03/2024 in message <op.2j0o5escbyq249@pvr2.lan> Rod Speed wrote:
>
>>>>> If you think there is any excuse for blowing new born babies to
>>>>> pieces then you must see a psychiatrist now, run, don't walk.
>>>>>
>>>> Its you that are excusing Hamas, not me
>>>
>>> Haven't mentioned them,
>>
>> Because you are completely one eyed.
>
> No, because it's Palestinian civilians who are being slaughtered by Israel.

So should the Allies not have targeted Germany during WW2, as many of
the dead would have been civilians? Jamas deliberately targeted
civilians and hidden themselves amongst the Gazan civilians. Failing to
get rid of Hamas will ensure that they rebuild and attack again,
starting a new cycle of deaths. Better to get rid of them now, once and
for all.

In article <xn0oiur8c68qud2011@news.individual.net>, Jeff Gaines
<jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
> On 02/03/2024 in message <5b3b658bb2charles@candehope.me.uk> charles
> wrote:

> >In article <xn0oium4b61s24500w@news.individual.net>, Jeff Gaines
> > <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
> >>On 02/03/2024 in message <urvf0t$1u4ro$1@dont-email.me> The Natural
> >>Philosopher wrote:
> >
> >>>No, it is a bunch of Israelis surgically excising religious fanatics,
> >>>who happen to be using ordinary people as human shields
> >
> >>It's a bunch of Israeli scum slaughtering Palestinians.
> >
> >>>
> >>>Unless you understand the basics of radical Islam, you have no hope of
> >>>having a fair and balanced view on this and should stfu.
> >
> >>Palestinians are not radical Islamists.
> >
> >But Hamas are, and, those in Gaza elected them as their government

> Do you imagine it was an election in an English village hall with a
> couple of local lady volunteers taking ballot papers and a bobby
> standing in the corner? Don't you think it rather more likely that a
> swarthy bloke with an AK47 marched the voter in to the ballot and
> pointed out where he should put his "X"?

> Suggesting it was a free and fair vote is ludicrous.

I never suggested that.

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On 2 Mar 2024 at 10:49:25 GMT, ""Jeff Gaines"" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

> On 02/03/2024 in message <l4g6uuF39jvU1@mid.individual.net> alan_m wrote:
>
>> On 02/03/2024 08:17, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>> On 01/03/2024 in message <ajo4uih6ea20bocirpd55qag3ek9gpk7nt@4ax.com>
>>> Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>
>>>>> How did it go last night?
>>>>
>>>> Very badly indeed for democracy, Rishi reckons. He may have to now ban
>>>> elections to protect our precious democracy.
>>>
>>> I'm so glad it's not just me that picked that up. Sunak wringing his
>>> hands over our loss of democracy then criticising the result of a
>>> democratic election. I have raised it in a couple of other place, no
>>> responses yet.
>>
>> Another politician so out of touch with real life blaming the electorate
>> for a result he doesn't like.
>>
>> I heard an interesting comment on the radio the other day -
>>
>> It perfectly acceptable to criticise the actions of the Government of
>> Israel BUT as soon as any comparison is made to similar actions carried
>> out by Hiltler's forces in WW2 the comment immediately becomes
>> antisemitism.
>
> That's interesting as it's probably the most accurate comparison to make.

No, a more accurate comparison would be between Hamas and Adolf's lot.

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On 2 Mar 2024 at 14:38:59 GMT, ""Jeff Gaines"" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

> I have not mentioned religion, I have no interest in anybody's religion,
> that is their affair.

In the same way that you have no interest in war. But I'm afraid that war has
an interest in you. And some islamists have an interest in you. Either convert
or we'll cut you in half. That is what it'll come down to.

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