Pete Fisher <peter@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:ki20skF6ucvU1@mid.individual.net:

> On 21/07/2023 09:55, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>> Hello all.
>>
>> A couple of years ago I was dead proud to have got my blood pressure
>> down, but the cardiologist thought he'd put me on the treadmill
>> anyway. He had to abandon the test because he thought I was going to
>> have a heart attack, as the BP went through the roof.
>>
>> I was just thinking it may be a tad awkward if I popped my clogs
>> while out cycling. I go out most days and my usual route includes a
>> 35º incline.
>>
>> A while back, a local policeman, young, fit as a flea, dropped dead
>> while cycling.
>>
>> So, I am thinking of buying a pulse/BP monitor type thingy, for when
>> out cycling. I know a lot of folks here are gadget freaks, so wonder
>> if anyone can recommend one.
>>
>> Ta.
>>
>
> I have a cheap Xiaomi Fitness Band (ha!).
>
> It does heart rate and sleep monitoring. The heart rate function has
> an alarm. Disconcertingly the only time this has 'sounded' was when I
> was in bed asleep. Not sure what woke me up first - the alarm or the
> feeling distinctly weird. Two nights running. Wine had been taken TBF.
> Might have cocked up on my medication regime, but not that I recall.
> Hasn't happened since.
>
> It measures pulse oxygen too when demanded of it. Seems I am still
> alive.
>
> BP 'something over something'. Not as high as it got a couple of years
> ago, but the medication side effects aren't fun.
>
>
> I did have a similar thing 'band' that purported to monitor BP but
> despite attempting to calibrate it when at the quacks it was shite.
>
> I now have a fancy cuff monitor (Beurer) that can download results to
> a PC - except I haven't used it for a while. I really should, in the
> vain hope of convincing my GP to reduce the BP meds dose, or try me on
> something other than Amlodipine. I think they tried me on a
> beta-blocker as first treatment, but IIRC it gave me a cough. ARBs,
> that I was on for years have similar side effects to the current
> stuff, but if anything worse. I'd actually prefer a cough TBH.
>

For me, an AIIRB (losartan) has fewer side effects than any other type
of drug, having tried them all. I still get a cough from the ARB but
it's not as bad as with alpha or beta blockers. Amlodipine causes a lot
of oedema in my legs and calcium channel blockers nearly killed me with
angioedema.

In addition to the losartan I now take 2 diuretics: spironolactone &
indapamide. The spiro was added last year by the renal consultant after
a spike in late 2021.

I found during hay fever season that my side effects from the above were
less severe when taking antihistamines so I take ceterizine all year
now. I seem to be taking 3 meds to counteract the side effects of the
ARB[1]

> What was Champ saying about the UKRM demographic?
>
keeping Adie, Jude & Bruce's pension companies solvent

[1] and several other factors such as weight, a diet of salty foods and
red wine and a fondness for sitting on a sofa.

El Sat, 22 Jul 2023 12:04:57 +0000, Spike escribió:

> Get salt to 2.5G/day (difficult, you need to read food labels)(daily
> average seems to be about 12g)

Hardly add salt to anything and we read all the labels. If we do add
salt, it's low salt (potassium).
> Cut red meat to twice a week, say 30g protein at a time (about 150g raw
> meat)

Meat here is mostly pork. So not very red :-)

Beef and lamb are so expensive, we hardly ever eat them.

> Eat more fish, especially oily types

We eat quite a lot of tinned tuna, mackerel etc. Not much fresh fish.
> Eat more chicken esp organic

We have chicken stir fries and a chicken curry now and then.
> Consider having one vegetarian day a week.

We already alternate days.
> Have lots of fruit

Hmm. Makes me hungry.
> Things to watch for include phosphorus content. This leaches calcium
> from the bones, and deposits it in the heart and arteries. This is
> sub-optimal. Processed food is rich in phosphorus compounds, which are
> easily absorbed. Plant sources are poorly absorbed, about 30%. Average
> intake is circa 3000mg, get it down to under 800mg. Foods rich in
> phosphorus include cola dinks, fizzy drinks, chocolate, ice-cream, beer.
> Many processed foods have phosphorus-containing additives, look for the
> letters ‘phos’ in the ingredients list.

We avoid processed food like the plague. Don't drink or eat sweet stuff.
Neither do we use sugar, except in making bread.

Beer...
> Then…
>
> Put away the bicycle, get a good pair of walking shoes, and walk a lot.
> The Dutch cycle far more than the Brits, yet die from the same major
> diseases in the same proportions. Walking is less stressful both
> physically and mentally.

Slight problem. I do walk when it's wet in the countryside, but I'm
limited by fucked knees and feet. I like cycling and cycle quite hard. I
can also cycle all day without a problem, whereas walking is limited to
20 minutes.
> Learn Passive Muscle Relaxation.

Sounds like yoga.

Giving up my stressful job 20 years ago was a good idea.

But thanks, I'll make an effort to eat more fruit. BTW, the beer
consumption is down 50% on back then.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es

Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com> wrote in news:pan$d5f39$2e09d7b3
$1af528b4$c657cea5@gmail.com:
> But thanks, I'll make an effort to eat more fruit. BTW, the beer
> consumption is down 50% on back then.
>

wine is fruit and full of lovely carotenoids, especially red[1]

[1] just cool it to 15C at least. Some is actually pretty good chilled even
more, such as beaujolais

El Sat, 22 Jul 2023 13:37:39 +0100, Pete Fisher escribió:

> I now have a fancy cuff monitor (Beurer) that can download results to a
> PC - except I haven't used it for a while. I really should, in the vain
> hope of convincing my GP to reduce the BP meds dose, or try me on
> something other than Amlodipine. I think they tried me on a beta-blocker
> as first treatment, but IIRC it gave me a cough. ARBs, that I was on for
> years have similar side effects to the current stuff, but if anything
> worse. I'd actually prefer a cough TBH.

I dumped the enalapril because of a dry, annoying cough (and itching).
Moved to losartan, which costs loads more.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es

El Sat, 22 Jul 2023 14:06:17 +0000, wessie escribió:

> Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:pan$d5f39$2e09d7b3 $1af528b4$c657cea5@gmail.com:
>
>> But thanks, I'll make an effort to eat more fruit. BTW, the beer
>> consumption is down 50% on back then.
>>
>>
> wine is fruit and full of lovely carotenoids, especially red[1]
>
>
> [1] just cool it to 15C at least. Some is actually pretty good chilled
> even more, such as beaujolais

We don't drink that froggy stuff.

Here, they drink red wine chilled (at 0ºC). Even with ice. And often
mixed with lemonade (tinto de verano).

Maybe I'll replace one of my nightly 7 or 8 beers (33cl) with a glass of
Rioja. I'll start today.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es

Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com> wrote:
> El Sat, 22 Jul 2023 12:04:57 +0000, Spike escribió:
>
>> Get salt to 2.5G/day (difficult, you need to read food labels)(daily
>> average seems to be about 12g)
>
> Hardly add salt to anything and we read all the labels. If we do add
> salt, it's low salt (potassium).
>
>> Cut red meat to twice a week, say 30g protein at a time (about 150g raw
>> meat)
>
> Meat here is mostly pork. So not very red :-)
>
> Beef and lamb are so expensive, we hardly ever eat them.
>
>> Eat more fish, especially oily types
>
> We eat quite a lot of tinned tuna, mackerel etc. Not much fresh fish.
>
>> Eat more chicken esp organic
>
> We have chicken stir fries and a chicken curry now and then.
>
>> Consider having one vegetarian day a week.
>
> We already alternate days.
>
>> Have lots of fruit
>
> Hmm. Makes me hungry.
>
>> Things to watch for include phosphorus content. This leaches calcium
>> from the bones, and deposits it in the heart and arteries. This is
>> sub-optimal. Processed food is rich in phosphorus compounds, which are
>> easily absorbed. Plant sources are poorly absorbed, about 30%. Average
>> intake is circa 3000mg, get it down to under 800mg. Foods rich in
>> phosphorus include cola dinks, fizzy drinks, chocolate, ice-cream, beer.
>> Many processed foods have phosphorus-containing additives, look for the
>> letters ‘phos’ in the ingredients list.
>
> We avoid processed food like the plague. Don't drink or eat sweet stuff.
> Neither do we use sugar, except in making bread.
>
> Beer...
>
>> Then…
>>
>> Put away the bicycle, get a good pair of walking shoes, and walk a lot.
>> The Dutch cycle far more than the Brits, yet die from the same major
>> diseases in the same proportions. Walking is less stressful both
>> physically and mentally.
>
> Slight problem. I do walk when it's wet in the countryside, but I'm
> limited by fucked knees and feet. I like cycling and cycle quite hard. I
> can also cycle all day without a problem, whereas walking is limited to
> 20 minutes.
>
>> Learn Passive Muscle Relaxation.
>
> Sounds like yoga.
>
> Giving up my stressful job 20 years ago was a good idea.
>
> But thanks, I'll make an effort to eat more fruit. BTW, the beer
> consumption is down 50% on back then.

Well, that’s a pretty good diet!

I’m not sure what did your knees in, but potato and tomato can aggravate
joint problems. Unfortunately they are found in many foods either as a main
ingredient or an additive.

Even potato starch as a dusting does my Heberden’s Node in with severe
pain, and tomatoes can make my joints flare up.

Cod liver oil can help, but it won’t be an overnight improvement.

--
Spike

Spike <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid> wrote in
news:ki2a9kF8gerU1@mid.individual.net:

> Even potato starch as a dusting does my Heberden’s Node in with
> severe pain, and tomatoes can make my joints flare up.
>

there does not seem to be any proper evidence for this claim, and
I am seeing more evidence that the salt thing you refer to above
is about as reliable as the evidence against cholesterol e.g.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/aug/09/salt-not-as-damaging-to-health-as-previously-thought-says-study

On 22/07/2023 15:11, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> El Sat, 22 Jul 2023 13:37:39 +0100, Pete Fisher escribió:
>
>> I now have a fancy cuff monitor (Beurer) that can download results to a
>> PC - except I haven't used it for a while. I really should, in the vain
>> hope of convincing my GP to reduce the BP meds dose, or try me on
>> something other than Amlodipine. I think they tried me on a beta-blocker
>> as first treatment, but IIRC it gave me a cough. ARBs, that I was on for
>> years have similar side effects to the current stuff, but if anything
>> worse. I'd actually prefer a cough TBH.
>
> I dumped the enalapril because of a dry, annoying cough (and itching).
> Moved to losartan, which costs loads more.
>

I found losartan worse for fog-headedness (for relative values of
clearness of head usually) than Valsartan which I think is even more
expensive - though that's only a burden on those in the UK still paying
tax (as do I).

The Amlodipine was added to the Valsartan in 2020. Then the next quack
visit they said try just Amlodipine at twice the dose and ditch the
Valsartan. It did seem to affect my calves for a while, but I must have
accommodated to it. Still get the lurid, surreal, WTF? when I wake up
from them, dreams and the gut gurgles. Pretty sure it's not clinical
sleep apnoea.

Sleeping fewer and fewer hours these days. Nose strips may help a little
but not conclusive. Almond milk before bed similarly, but taking on
fluid last thing brings problems in itself.

Have still got some zopiclone from when my hip and thigh were agony but
try not to pop one unless in extremis.

Oh well, time to run the long symptoms list (latest is hands that both
seem to have gone arthritic (not just the 'off' damaged left one) past
whatever medic is available at our GP practice again. It hasn't been the
same one two appointments running for years.

Reducing grip strength is an indicator of getting really over the hill
apparently.

--
Moto Morini 2C/375
Gilera 175 Sport, Husqvarna 401 Svartpilen
Honda CB250RS (Not Waynetta!)
"Do not adjust your mind, there is a fault in the reality"

On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 15:46:18 -0000 (UTC), wessie
<willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:

>Spike <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid> wrote in
>news:ki2a9kF8gerU1@mid.individual.net:
>
>
>> Even potato starch as a dusting does my Heberden’s Node in with
>> severe pain, and tomatoes can make my joints flare up.
>>
>
>there does not seem to be any proper evidence for this claim, and
>I am seeing more evidence that the salt thing you refer to above
>is about as reliable as the evidence against cholesterol e.g.
>https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/aug/09/salt-not-as-damaging-to-health-as-previously-thought-says-study

I am reminded of the Woody Allen film "The Sleeper", where sicentists
in the future were aghast at the "health foods" of the 20th Century
"...precisely the opposite of what we now know to be true..."

--

-Pip

On 22/07/2023 15:06, wessie wrote:
> Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com> wrote in news:pan$d5f39$2e09d7b3
> $1af528b4$c657cea5@gmail.com:
>
>> But thanks, I'll make an effort to eat more fruit. BTW, the beer
>> consumption is down 50% on back then.
>>
>
> wine is fruit and full of lovely carotenoids, especially red[1]
>
>
> [1] just cool it to 15C at least. Some is actually pretty good chilled even
> more, such as beaujolais

And a good glass of port after a meal.

Just finishing one ATM

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

El Sat, 22 Jul 2023 15:18:12 +0000, Spike escribió:

> I’m not sure what did your knees in

Walking, squash, rugby and osteoarthritis. Apparently.

Oh, and excessive abuse of the leg press.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es

El Sat, 22 Jul 2023 15:46:18 +0000, wessie escribió:

> Spike <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid> wrote in
> news:ki2a9kF8gerU1@mid.individual.net:
>
>
>> Even potato starch as a dusting does my Heberden’s Node in with severe
>> pain, and tomatoes can make my joints flare up.
>>
>>
> there does not seem to be any proper evidence for this claim, and I am
> seeing more evidence that the salt thing you refer to above is about as
> reliable as the evidence against cholesterol e.g.
> https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/aug/09/salt-not-as-damaging-to-
health-as-previously-thought-says-study

Don't get me going on the cholesterol con...

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es

On 22/07/2023 16:52, Pete Fisher wrote:
> On 22/07/2023 15:11, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>> El Sat, 22 Jul 2023 13:37:39 +0100, Pete Fisher escribió:
>>
>>> I now have a fancy cuff monitor (Beurer) that can download results to a
>>> PC - except I haven't used it for a while.  I really should, in the vain
>>> hope of convincing my GP to reduce the BP meds dose, or try me on
>>> something other than Amlodipine. I think they tried me on a beta-blocker
>>> as first treatment, but IIRC it gave me a cough. ARBs, that I was on for
>>> years have similar side effects to the current stuff, but if anything
>>> worse. I'd actually prefer a cough TBH.
>>
>> I dumped the enalapril because of a dry, annoying cough (and itching).
>> Moved to losartan, which costs loads more.
>>
>
> I found losartan worse for fog-headedness (for relative values of
> clearness of head usually) than Valsartan which I think is even more
> expensive - though that's only a burden on those in the UK still paying
> tax (as do I).
>
> The Amlodipine was added to the Valsartan in 2020. Then the next quack
> visit they said try just Amlodipine at twice the dose and ditch the
> Valsartan. It did seem to affect my calves for a while, but I must have
> accommodated to it. Still get the lurid, surreal, WTF? when I wake up
> from them, dreams and the gut gurgles. Pretty sure it's not clinical
> sleep apnoea.
>
> Sleeping fewer and fewer hours these days. Nose strips may help a little
> but not conclusive. Almond milk before bed similarly, but taking on
> fluid last thing brings problems in itself.
>
> Have still got some zopiclone from when my hip and thigh were agony but
> try not to pop one unless in extremis.
>
> Oh well, time to run the long symptoms list (latest is hands that both
> seem to have gone arthritic (not just the 'off' damaged left one) past
> whatever medic is available at our GP practice again. It hasn't been the
> same one two appointments running for years.
>
> Reducing grip strength is an indicator of getting really over the hill
> apparently.

I'm halfway down the other side then - sometimes I have a struggle
getting into plastic milk bottles.

grip on left inhibited due to stroke, on right affected by Arthur.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

El Sat, 22 Jul 2023 15:18:12 +0000, Spike escribió:

> Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> Consider having one vegetarian day a week.
>>
>> We already alternate days.

> Well, that’s a pretty good diet!
>

Currently preparing mushroom and broccoli sweet and sour rissoto. Yummy.

Forgot to mention, because of where we live, we consume lots of extra
virgin olive oil. My breakfast weekdays is toast (home made bread) soaked
in olive oil.

Talking of olive products, buy now. The crop this year will be null. All
the flowers fell off because of the drought. Prices are set to triple.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es

On 22 Jul 2023 12:04:57 GMT, Spike <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid> wrote:

> Get salt to 2.5G/day (difficult, you need to read food labels)(daily
> average seems to be about 12g)

Wow! Average here across the pond is 3400mg/day (sodium, Na), and we
think our diet is deadly.

+ https://www.heart.org/en/healthy-living/healthy-eating/eat-smart/sodium/how-much-sodium-should-i-eat-per-day

Doctor wants me at or below 1500mg/day. Some days I can get under;
some days I don't.

There's an app for that: *MyDashDiet* by Prestige.

You save a repertoire of dishes you normally eat at your typical
serving size and log them when you finish them. The result is a
running total of macros (calories, carbs, fat, protein, sodium)
consumed for the day. You can scan UPC barcodes from the package so
you don't have to enter the nutrition labels yourself. Many branded
products are already in the database in the cloud. Otherwise, you have
to choose from similar dishes or generics by keyword search. But many
fast-food-outlet menus are already in the database, too.

The app syncs with the cloud so you can keep up-to-date on more than
one device, supposing you carry a work phone during the day and a
personal phone in the evening or *vice versa*.

Drawbacks to the app:

+ It promises *.csv file export, but I don't think that works.

+ It doesn't distinguish plant fat from animal fat, but then neither
do nutrition labels.

+ It's really hard to get enough protein.

+ It's really easy to get too much fat.

+ Serving size is a SWAG unless you weigh portions, so getting to
factor of between 0.5x and 2x of the actual is an achievement. What
the app is good for — really — is just elevating diet to
top-of-mind.

For example, yesterday, I ate 75% of my calorie quota, 90% of carbs,
75% of fat, 55% of protein, and 150% of sodium. ¡No bueno!

Best thing for me is the "Reduced Sodium" and "Lightly Salted" snacks.
There's a brand of frozen entrées called Healthy Choice that has the
least amount of sodium of processed foods in that category. I stretch
them with Annie Chun's sticky rice, which is not salted. I buy
reduced sodium whole-wheat bread because the low-salt crap that I bake
at home is disgusting, and I spread it liberally with Jiff Natural
peanut butter, which is supposedly low in sodium and added sugar. Am
I gonna die?

--
Worst Case

On 22/07/2023 18:19, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> El Sat, 22 Jul 2023 15:18:12 +0000, Spike escribió:
>
>> I’m not sure what did your knees in
>
> Walking, squash, rugby and osteoarthritis. Apparently.
>
> Oh, and excessive abuse of the leg press.
>
Whose leg was being pressed?

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On 22/07/2023 18:28, RustyHinge wrote:
> On 22/07/2023 16:52, Pete Fisher wrote:

>>
>> Reducing grip strength is an indicator of getting really over the hill
>> apparently.
>
> I'm halfway down the other side then - sometimes I have a struggle
> getting into plastic milk bottles.
>
> grip on left inhibited due to stroke, on right affected by Arthur.
>

This ailment top trumps is a tad depressing when several UKRMers have
played their ace recently, so to speak.

--
Moto Morini 2C/375
Gilera 175 Sport, Husqvarna 401 Svartpilen
Honda CB250RS (Not Waynetta!)
"Do not adjust your mind, there is a fault in the reality"

Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com> wrote:
> El Sat, 22 Jul 2023 15:18:12 +0000, Spike escribió:
>
>> I’m not sure what did your knees in
>
> Walking, squash, rugby and osteoarthritis. Apparently.
>
> Oh, and excessive abuse of the leg press.

Ah, I see, thanks.

--
Spike

Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com> wrote:
> El Sat, 22 Jul 2023 15:18:12 +0000, Spike escribió:
>
>> Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Consider having one vegetarian day a week.
>>>
>>> We already alternate days.
>
>> Well, that’s a pretty good diet!
>>
>
> Currently preparing mushroom and broccoli sweet and sour rissoto. Yummy.

Sounds good.

Home-cooked chicken curry here, washed down with hibiscus tea. Fresh-fruit
salad for dessert (have that every day).

> Forgot to mention, because of where we live, we consume lots of extra
> virgin olive oil. My breakfast weekdays is toast (home made bread) soaked
> in olive oil.

Sounds good too.

> Talking of olive products, buy now. The crop this year will be null. All
> the flowers fell off because of the drought. Prices are set to triple.

I’ll pass that tip on to the quartermaster…

(a little later…)

Mrs Spike says thanks for the tip. The brands we use are currently on
discount, so she will order ahead at that price for the next four weeks.
She did the same when Ukraine caused a frisson in olive oil.

--
Spike

wessie <willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:
> Spike <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid> wrote in
> news:ki2a9kF8gerU1@mid.individual.net:
>
>
>> Even potato starch as a dusting does my Heberden’s Node in with
>> severe pain, and tomatoes can make my joints flare up.
>>
>
> there does not seem to be any proper evidence for this claim, and
> I am seeing more evidence that the salt thing you refer to above
> is about as reliable as the evidence against cholesterol e.g.
> https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/aug/09/salt-not-as-damaging-to-health-as-previously-thought-says-study

I can’t speak for cholesterol or salt, but ISTM that if you don’t eat
potatoes and don’t get arthritic pain, then you eat potatoes and the pain
comes back, it doesn’t make sense to eat potatoes, suffer pain, and claim
that there’s no researched evidence to support the link.

Just look at the various reactions to medications in this thread, different
people react differently to the the same medication; it’s no different with
foods.

--
Spike

<"Worst Case"@dizum.com> wrote:
> On 22 Jul 2023 12:04:57 GMT, Spike <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Get salt to 2.5G/day (difficult, you need to read food labels)(daily
>> average seems to be about 12g)
>
> Wow! Average here across the pond is 3400mg/day (sodium, Na), and we
> think our diet is deadly.
>
> +
> https://www.heart.org/en/healthy-living/healthy-eating/eat-smart/sodium/how-much-sodium-should-i-eat-per-day
>
> Doctor wants me at or below 1500mg/day. Some days I can get under;
> some days I don't.
>
> There's an app for that: *MyDashDiet* by Prestige.
>
> You save a repertoire of dishes you normally eat at your typical
> serving size and log them when you finish them. The result is a
> running total of macros (calories, carbs, fat, protein, sodium)
> consumed for the day. You can scan UPC barcodes from the package so
> you don't have to enter the nutrition labels yourself. Many branded
> products are already in the database in the cloud. Otherwise, you have
> to choose from similar dishes or generics by keyword search. But many
> fast-food-outlet menus are already in the database, too.
>
> The app syncs with the cloud so you can keep up-to-date on more than
> one device, supposing you carry a work phone during the day and a
> personal phone in the evening or *vice versa*.
>
> Drawbacks to the app:
>
> + It promises *.csv file export, but I don't think that works.
>
> + It doesn't distinguish plant fat from animal fat, but then neither
> do nutrition labels.
>
> + It's really hard to get enough protein.
>
> + It's really easy to get too much fat.
>
> + Serving size is a SWAG unless you weigh portions, so getting to
> factor of between 0.5x and 2x of the actual is an achievement. What
> the app is good for — really — is just elevating diet to
> top-of-mind.
>
> For example, yesterday, I ate 75% of my calorie quota, 90% of carbs,
> 75% of fat, 55% of protein, and 150% of sodium. ¡No bueno!
>
> Best thing for me is the "Reduced Sodium" and "Lightly Salted" snacks.
> There's a brand of frozen entrées called Healthy Choice that has the
> least amount of sodium of processed foods in that category. I stretch
> them with Annie Chun's sticky rice, which is not salted. I buy
> reduced sodium whole-wheat bread because the low-salt crap that I bake
> at home is disgusting, and I spread it liberally with Jiff Natural
> peanut butter, which is supposedly low in sodium and added sugar. Am
> I gonna die?

Sometime… It happens to all of us.

The app sounds to be very comprehensive, an interesting way of keeping tabs
on stuff. I put mine on a spreadsheet, which works as we keep to a dietary
routine - Mrs Spike has different dietary requirements to me, and we’ve
worked out a schedule of meals that we can both eat, or at least share in
large part inasmuch as her carbs could be potato and I’ll have plain white
rice, for example.

--
Spike

Spike <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid> wrote in
news:ki2ujqFbl11U4@mid.individual.net:

> wessie <willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:
>> Spike <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid> wrote in
>> news:ki2a9kF8gerU1@mid.individual.net:
>>
>>
>>> Even potato starch as a dusting does my Heberden’s Node in with
>>> severe pain, and tomatoes can make my joints flare up.
>>>
>>
>> there does not seem to be any proper evidence for this claim, and
>> I am seeing more evidence that the salt thing you refer to above
>> is about as reliable as the evidence against cholesterol e.g.
>> https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/aug/09/salt-not-as-damaging-t
>> o-health-as-previously-thought-says-study
>
> I can’t speak for cholesterol or salt, but ISTM that if you don’t
> eat potatoes and don’t get arthritic pain, then you eat potatoes and
> the pain comes back, it doesn’t make sense to eat potatoes, suffer
> pain, and claim that there’s no researched evidence to support the
> link.
>
> Just look at the various reactions to medications in this thread,
> different people react differently to the the same medication; it’s
> no different with foods.
>

you seemed to be claiming a generalisation to everyone rather than your
personal experience

I am quite happy to accept specific people can react to certain foods but I
want to see some evidence before a whole food group is written off as
harmful.

wessie <willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:
> Spike <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid> wrote in
> news:ki2ujqFbl11U4@mid.individual.net:
>
>> wessie <willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:
>>> Spike <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid> wrote in
>>> news:ki2a9kF8gerU1@mid.individual.net:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Even potato starch as a dusting does my Heberden’s Node in with
>>>> severe pain, and tomatoes can make my joints flare up.
>>>>
>>>
>>> there does not seem to be any proper evidence for this claim, and
>>> I am seeing more evidence that the salt thing you refer to above
>>> is about as reliable as the evidence against cholesterol e.g.
>>> https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/aug/09/salt-not-as-damaging-t
>>> o-health-as-previously-thought-says-study
>>
>> I can’t speak for cholesterol or salt, but ISTM that if you don’t
>> eat potatoes and don’t get arthritic pain, then you eat potatoes and
>> the pain comes back, it doesn’t make sense to eat potatoes, suffer
>> pain, and claim that there’s no researched evidence to support the
>> link.
>>
>> Just look at the various reactions to medications in this thread,
>> different people react differently to the the same medication; it’s
>> no different with foods.
>>
>
> you seemed to be claiming a generalisation to everyone rather than your
> personal experience
>
> I am quite happy to accept specific people can react to certain foods but I
> want to see some evidence before a whole food group is written off as
> harmful.

What I’m saying is that it’s everyone for themselves. You (general) avoid
e.g. potatoes if you (general) find out they affect you (general) by
alternately going without them for a time, then start eating them again.
That’s all the evidence you (general) need.

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Spike

On 22/07/2023 23:46 wessie penned these words:
> Spike <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid> wrote in
> news:ki2a9kF8gerU1@mid.individual.net:
>
>
>> Even potato starch as a dusting does my Heberden’s Node in with
>> severe pain, and tomatoes can make my joints flare up.
>>
>
> there does not seem to be any proper evidence for this claim, and
> I am seeing more evidence that the salt thing you refer to above
> is about as reliable as the evidence against cholesterol e.g.
> https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/aug/09/salt-not-as-damaging-to-health-as-previously-thought-says-study

I try to cut salt back, some things need it. It's an issue if kidneys are sub
optimal.
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Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"

On 22/07/2023 18:18 chrisnd @ukrm penned these words:
> On 22/07/2023 00:09, Boots wrote:
>> On 21/07/2023 18:23 Eddie penned these words:
>>> Chest straps will generally be more accurate, but are much more of a
>>> faff than already having the device on your wrist.
>>
>> I've had a number of wrist devices, I'd not 100% rely on any of them the current
>> a band 7 URL:https://consumer.huawei.com/my/wearables/band7/ has been the best
>> of the bunch by far both technically and VFM, the fatbit the worst. Even so I
>> can be going for it quite hard, can feel my heart pretty elevated and get
>> reading of ~100 which is defo wrong not all the time, think it is sweat that
>> interferes with the functioning.
>
> Some paranoiacs[1] might think the Chinese would get all your data tho..

Given from what we know from Snowden it is them or the Septics, probably both. I
am unsure how the PRC's path to world domination or Uncle Sam's similar
ambitions are helped by knowing when I go to the gym.

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Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"