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From: rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk (RustyHinge)
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Subject: Re: OT: health gadgets
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2023 22:27:06 +0100
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 by: RustyHinge - Sun, 23 Jul 2023 21:27 UTC

On 23/07/2023 20:47, Pete Fisher wrote:
> On 23/07/2023 20:32, RustyHinge wrote:
>> On 23/07/2023 18:58, Pete Fisher wrote:
>
>>> Still a case of when not if.
>>
>> Guess where I was infected with this non-airborne virus?
>>
>
> Fucknose. Top of the list would be a hospital, nosocomial infections
> were a major factor with the health professionals all just wearing
> surgical masks for hours. A crowded train would do it too.
>
> A wind tunnel?

Go with top of the list.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

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 by: Mike Fleming - Sun, 23 Jul 2023 22:49 UTC

On 22/07/2023 11:25, chrisnd @ukrm wrote:
> On 21/07/2023 16:21, Hog wrote:
>> On Friday, 21 July 2023 at 09:55:49 UTC+1, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>> Hello all.
>>>
>>> So, I am thinking of buying a pulse/BP monitor type thingy, for when out
>>> cycling. I know a lot of folks here are gadget freaks, so wonder if
>>> anyone can recommend one.
>>
>> Unfortunately I can make a recommendation.
>>
>> This a rather amazing device which was recommended to me last year
>> (previous Gen). Works with an excellent Smartphone app.
>> The ECG function and alarms for (low) heart rate and blood pressure
>> have all been in play.
>> https://www.x-wrist.com/lt-laser-therapy-health-smart-watch
>
> That actually looks quite neat, at a decent price, and ticks all the
> boxes... but...
>
>> Mine doesn't have the laser gizmo
>
> This does rather hint at a 'snake oil' factor, which makes me suspicious
> of all the above.

There don't seem to be any reviews other than trustpilot. "Laser
therapy" is an instant turn-off for me.

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From: news@millhouse-communications.co.uk (Boots)
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Subject: Re: OT: health gadgets
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 by: Boots - Mon, 24 Jul 2023 01:36 UTC

On 24/07/2023 01:58 Pete Fisher penned these words:
> On 23/07/2023 16:29, "Worst Case"@dizum.com wrote:
>
>> I'll tell you what, though. This COVID-19 thing has shaken my
>> confidence in their proclamations. First it was for sure transmitted
>> by touching unsanitized surfaces.

They found the virus on such surfaces it was a possible route.

>> approach would be to encourage young people to go out in public to
>> work, to attend church, to meet, to party, and to mingle in the
>> fervent hope that they'd all get it, get over it, and boost herd
>> immunity for the rest of us, which eventually happened.

It was to stop health systems from being overwhelmed, in some cases they were,
trying for herd immunity as you mention would have for sure resulted in much
worse outcomes.

> I was wearing an FFP2 or FFP3 mask when the scenario warranted it from
> March 2020.
>
> The 'lockdowns' were more about the NHS not being overwhelmed. Who knows
> if they would have been without the first 'lockdown'. The others were
> far less justified if at all.
>
> Not enough emphasis on local contact tracing and quarantine in the very
> early days.

we had harder lockdowns than the UK, masking compliance was pretty well
universal. The overall death rate per population was around 1/2 that of the UK.
For a long time period it was below but some of the later strains seemed more
virulent.

>
> Perhaps the Covid inquiry will get to the bottom of the story, but it
> was fucking obvious that we weren't properly prepared for a flu pandemic
> let alone a respiratory, airborne disease X.

I am not betting on it quis custodiet ipsos custodes.

> Still a case of when not if.

For sure, we're due a flu sooner or later, deep joy.

--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"

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 by: Boots - Mon, 24 Jul 2023 01:35 UTC

On 24/07/2023 03:47 Pete Fisher penned these words:
> On 23/07/2023 20:32, RustyHinge wrote:
>> On 23/07/2023 18:58, Pete Fisher wrote:
>
>>> Still a case of when not if.
>>
>> Guess where I was infected with this non-airborne virus?
>>
>
> Fucknose. Top of the list would be a hospital, nosocomial infections
> were a major factor with the health professionals all just wearing
> surgical masks for hours. A crowded train would do it too.
>
> A wind tunnel?

I'd managed to avoid it until we visited the septic isles last April and I used
the tube. Despite the then requirement for masks on PT L and I were in a
minority travelling there's be one or two others.

--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"

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 by: Boots - Mon, 24 Jul 2023 01:35 UTC

On 23/07/2023 17:15 Turby penned these words:
> On 7/22/2023 4:37 PM, Boots wrote:
>> On 22/07/2023 18:18 chrisnd @ukrm penned these words:
>>>
>>> Some paranoiacs[1] might think the Chinese would get all your data tho..
>>
>> Given from what we know from Snowden it is them or the Septics, probably both. I
>> am unsure how the PRC's path to world domination or Uncle Sam's similar
>> ambitions are helped by knowing when I go to the gym.
>>
> I was a Russian linguist listening in for the NSA when I was in the US
> Army. What people don't understand about spying is the vastness of the
> job. You want to know little details of what the enemy is doing, but
> that means monitoring thousands, if not millions, of communications. How
> many listeners does it take to do that? How much manpower can you
> dedicate to sorting out that data? I spent days listening to one guy
> saying "2248, this is 1739, how do you read me? Over." We couldn't
> listen to all the Russian soldiers, just a handful. To think of the
> government monitoring what all the people do is absurd. They have to
> pick and choose which ones out of the many hundreds of thousands They
> think might be useful. And that's not you.
>

Sure they're not listening in real time. I am of no interest. Hence my comment
ref my exercise scheme. Can they be keeping that data, absolutely. It is
unlikely ever to be of use but given we know that the US and presumably others
tries to obtain the encryption keys for SIM cards[1] on the off chance that one
of these billions might one day be useful I'd bet it is kept.

[1] With the NSA being forbidden from eavesdropping on US citizens they got
their mates in GCHQ to target totally innocent employees of Gemalto[2] so the
company systems could compromised.
[2] Specifically there SIM card manufacturing facility in Texas.
--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"

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 by: Pete Fisher - Mon, 24 Jul 2023 05:18 UTC

On 23/07/2023 20:27, RustyHinge wrote:
> On 23/07/2023 19:43, Pete Fisher wrote:
>> On 23/07/2023 10:03, Ace wrote:
>>> On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 06:55:03 +0100, Pete Fisher
>>> <peter@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Losalt (Potassium) is the quickest way to dispel the leg cramps I
>>>> increasingly get. I keep a small dish of it by my bed for a quick
>>>> finger
>>>> dip and lick (eeewww!). If setting off on a motorcycle ride in hot
>>>> weather I carry salted (Na also helps and it's easier to carry a
>>>> small packet) nuts and a sports rehydration drink, for rapid treatment.
>>>
>>> Magnesium works for me, boith as a preventative and a cure.
>>> Efferevescent tabs are easiest, preferably with real sugar in them,
>>> which adds an energy boost as well as the liquid, all of which are
>>> contributory factors.
>>
>> Interesting, thanks. SWMBO has mentioned Magnesium to me (for the
>> TATT), but IIRC it can have side effects in large doses that would
>> compound the ones I have from Amlodipine. Can't hurt to give it a try.
>
> Just by the magnesium content it shouldn't. Milk of Magnesia (IIRC
> magnesium oxide BICBA to look it up) is/was given in a gloppy state by
> the big dollop (medicinal terms) as an antacid.
>

Perhaps, though I have no desire to take anything that possibly promotes
abdominal cramping and diarrhoea.

--
Moto Morini 2C/375
Gilera 175 Sport, Husqvarna 401 Svartpilen
Honda CB250RS (Not Waynetta!)
"Do not adjust your mind, there is a fault in the reality"

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 by: Mike Fleming - Mon, 24 Jul 2023 12:42 UTC

On 23/07/2023 16:29, "Worst Case"@dizum.com wrote:
>
> I'll tell you what, though. This COVID-19 thing has shaken my
> confidence in their proclamations. First it was for sure transmitted
> by touching unsanitized surfaces. Every drinking fountain throughout
> the length and breadth of this great nation was turned off. Did that
> make any sense at all? ... at the time? Workers had to stay
> hydrated, didn't they? As it turned out, COVID was exclusively
> air-borne. The healthcare industry could have held off banning
> unsanitized surfaces for a couple of months until the evidence
> solidified, but they seized instead upon the hysterical approach. Dog
> knows why! Perhaps they hoped it would boost their public esteem.
> Jeezus!

It isn't exclusively airborne. Transmission can be from contaminated
surfaces.

> Then there was the notion that recovering from COVID doesn't confer
> durable immunity. This was circulated on the basis of anecdotes of
> patients succumbing repeatedly. As it turned out, most COVID
> survivors are more or less immune to circulating strains for over six
> months. Why did the healthcare industry see the need to take a
> position on this right away? Well, the hysterical approach was for
> economic shutdown, and, if that's what you want, you don't admit to
> durable immunity. If durable immunity were real, then the rational
> approach would be to encourage young people to go out in public to
> work, to attend church, to meet, to party, and to mingle in the
> fervent hope that they'd all get it, get over it, and boost herd
> immunity for the rest of us, which eventually happened.

Six months isn't exactly durable, and the more recent omicron variants
appear not to even confer that much immunity. I know it's anecdotal but
my wife was infected twice in a space of about two months - this was
after being one of the ones infected at the very start, and being fully
up to date with vaccinations.

Herd immunity has been attained through vaccination rather than
infection, and isn't terribly effective against more recent variants.

> These are a couple of examples of the craziness of public health
> policy totally immersed in its own self-aggrandizing prophesies.

More like a couple of examples of your ignorance.

> I will have to say I was opposed to masking. Policy touted masking as
> the be-all, end-all personal defense against the disease. In fact it
> was about 60% effective if the infector was masked and about 60%
> effective if the infectee was masked and moreso for both, so, yeah, it
> was probably worthwhile for people susceptible to complications of
> COVID to circulate only in mask-required venues, but that sure wasn't
> the message, was it?

It reduces the chance of somebody who is masked and infected infecting
other people. The idea is to look after others, in the hope that they
will also look after you.

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 by: Turby - Mon, 24 Jul 2023 14:17 UTC

On 7/23/2023 6:35 PM, Boots wrote:
> On 23/07/2023 17:15 Turby penned these words:
>>
>> To think of the
>> government monitoring what all the people do is absurd. They have to
>> pick and choose which ones out of the many hundreds of thousands They
>> think might be useful. And that's not you.
>>
> Sure they're not listening in real time. I am of no interest. Hence my comment
> ref my exercise scheme. Can they be keeping that data, absolutely. It is
> unlikely ever to be of use but given we know that the US and presumably others
> tries to obtain the encryption keys for SIM cards[1] on the off chance that one
> of these billions might one day be useful I'd bet it is kept.
>
It would take acres of warehouses to hold all that data, 99.99% of which
is useless. The cost would be ridiculous. In reality, they pick and
choose likely targets. Which is how real criminals get away with it.
They pick and choose individual cards, not every one.

OTOH, private corporations do have a reason to keep your data when they
make money off it.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS & ST1100 (in memoriam)

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 by: Stephen Packer - Mon, 24 Jul 2023 15:20 UTC

On Monday, 24 July 2023 at 13:42:31 UTC+1, Mike Fleming wrote:
> On 23/07/2023 16:29, "Worst Case"@dizum.com wrote:
> >
> > I'll tell you what, though. This COVID-19 thing has shaken my
> > confidence in their proclamations. First it was for sure transmitted
> > by touching unsanitized surfaces. Every drinking fountain throughout
> > the length and breadth of this great nation was turned off. Did that
> > make any sense at all? ... at the time? Workers had to stay
> > hydrated, didn't they? As it turned out, COVID was exclusively
> > air-borne. The healthcare industry could have held off banning
> > unsanitized surfaces for a couple of months until the evidence
> > solidified, but they seized instead upon the hysterical approach. Dog
> > knows why! Perhaps they hoped it would boost their public esteem.
> > Jeezus!
> It isn't exclusively airborne. Transmission can be from contaminated
> surfaces.

Isn't it fair to say that the vast majority of infections were airborne though?

The WHO pages state:
'People may also become infected when touching their eyes, nose or mouth
after touching surfaces or objects that have been contaminated by the virus.'

Which certainly makes it sound like an edge-case for infection.

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 by: siwilson - Mon, 24 Jul 2023 16:52 UTC

On 21/07/2023 09:55, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> Hello all.
>
> A couple of years ago I was dead proud to have got my blood pressure
> down, but the cardiologist thought he'd put me on the treadmill anyway.
> He had to abandon the test because he thought I was going to have a heart
> attack, as the BP went through the roof.
>
> I was just thinking it may be a tad awkward if I popped my clogs while
> out cycling. I go out most days and my usual route includes a 35º incline.
>
> A while back, a local policeman, young, fit as a flea, dropped dead while
> cycling.
>
> So, I am thinking of buying a pulse/BP monitor type thingy, for when out
> cycling. I know a lot of folks here are gadget freaks, so wonder if
> anyone can recommend one.
>
> Ta.
>

Hellbeans, a thread on BP and old fart ailments with a zillion posts,
who knew?

CBA to read every post, but, I got a Withings BPM Connect a while ago
and am pretty pleased with it. You can't set it to do random readings
over a 24h period unfort, but, in theory you could wear it all day and
just press the button now and then when you want a reading.

Someone (currently in the slammer I believe) once claimed to have a
solution for continuous BP monitoring with a "special algorithm". After
lots of investment, people started to get curious what the secret was,
the whole thing turned out to be a hoax.

--
/Simon

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siwilson <siwilson@nodamnspamn.hotmail.com> wrote in
news:ki7oieF4iudU1@mid.individual.net:

> On 21/07/2023 09:55, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>> Hello all.
>>
>> A couple of years ago I was dead proud to have got my blood pressure
>> down, but the cardiologist thought he'd put me on the treadmill
>> anyway. He had to abandon the test because he thought I was going to
>> have a heart attack, as the BP went through the roof.
>>
>> I was just thinking it may be a tad awkward if I popped my clogs
>> while out cycling. I go out most days and my usual route includes a
>> 35º incline.
>>
>> A while back, a local policeman, young, fit as a flea, dropped dead
>> while cycling.
>>
>> So, I am thinking of buying a pulse/BP monitor type thingy, for when
>> out cycling. I know a lot of folks here are gadget freaks, so wonder
>> if anyone can recommend one.
>>
>> Ta.
>>
>
> Hellbeans, a thread on BP and old fart ailments with a zillion posts,
> who knew?
>
> CBA to read every post, but, I got a Withings BPM Connect a while ago
> and am pretty pleased with it. You can't set it to do random readings
> over a 24h period unfort, but, in theory you could wear it all day and
> just press the button now and then when you want a reading.
>
> Someone (currently in the slammer I believe) once claimed to have a
> solution for continuous BP monitoring with a "special algorithm".
> After lots of investment, people started to get curious what the
> secret was, the whole thing turned out to be a hoax.
>

Fuck off, sonny

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 by: geoffC - Mon, 24 Jul 2023 21:33 UTC

On 22/07/2023 14:04, Spike wrote:
>Then…
>
>Put away the bicycle, get a good pair of walking shoes, and walk a lot. The
>Dutch cycle far more than the Brits, yet die from the same major diseases
>in the same proportions. Walking is less stressful both physically and
>mentally.
>

I think a bicycle is just 4-5x more efficiënt than walking. So an hour of
either is about the same, only 5km on foot and about 20-25km on a bicycle.
Different muscles though, I'll give you that. I do both but find cycling
infinitely more rewarding.
As for BP, I think lose weight seems to be the key, for me anyway. Also the
key for that in my case is beer and bread. Without them I'd be well on the
way to losing the 20kg I could do without.
My diet starts tomorrow.

--
Geoff
NTV 650

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 by: RustyHinge - Mon, 24 Jul 2023 22:16 UTC

On 24/07/2023 22:33, geoffC wrote:
> On 22/07/2023 14:04, Spike wrote:
>
>> Then…
>>
>> Put away the bicycle, get a good pair of walking shoes, and walk a
>> lot. The
>> Dutch cycle far more than the Brits, yet die from the same major diseases
>> in the same proportions. Walking is less stressful both physically and
>> mentally.
>
> I think a bicycle is just 4-5x more efficiënt than walking. So an hour of
> either is about the same, only 5km on foot and about 20-25km on a bicycle.
> Different muscles though, I'll give you that. I do both but find cycling
> infinitely more rewarding. As for BP, I think lose weight seems to be
> the key, for me anyway. Also the
> key for that in my case is beer and bread. Without them I'd be well on the
> way to losing the 20kg I could do without.
> My diet starts tomorrow.

There are two important factors which are largely ignored when looking
at weight loss: probably (IMO) the more influential is inheritance. If
you come from a family where weight is a problem, look out! The second,
and very important is gut flora. The organisms living there have a huge
influence on your physique. Replacing or adding to these can make an
astounding difference.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

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On 24/07/2023 22:33, geoffC wrote:
> On 22/07/2023 14:04, Spike wrote:
>
>> Then…
>>
>> Put away the bicycle, get a good pair of walking shoes, and walk a
>> lot. The
>> Dutch cycle far more than the Brits, yet die from the same major diseases
>> in the same proportions. Walking is less stressful both physically and
>> mentally.
>
> I think a bicycle is just 4-5x more efficiënt than walking. So an hour of
> either is about the same, only 5km on foot and about 20-25km on a bicycle.
> Different muscles though, I'll give you that. I do both but find cycling
> infinitely more rewarding.
Also cycling is easier on the knees, I have difficulty walking distance
due to arthritis.

But not cycling. During my recent little trip we were doing 30-40miles a
day and occasionally nearer 50. With full camping gear on bikes.

> As for BP, I think lose weight seems to be
> the key, for me anyway. Also the
> key for that in my case is beer and bread. Without them I'd be well on the
> way to losing the 20kg I could do without.
> My diet starts tomorrow.
>

I can recommend cycling 1500 miles in 10 weeks. I lost just shy of 1 stone.
Now I just need to keep it off.

>
>

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

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 by: Mike Fleming - Tue, 25 Jul 2023 13:46 UTC

On 24/07/2023 16:20, Stephen Packer wrote:
> On Monday, 24 July 2023 at 13:42:31 UTC+1, Mike Fleming wrote:
>> On 23/07/2023 16:29, "Worst Case"@dizum.com wrote:
>>>
>>> hydrated, didn't they? As it turned out, COVID was exclusively
>>> air-borne. The healthcare industry could have held off banning

>> It isn't exclusively airborne. Transmission can be from contaminated
>> surfaces.
>
> Isn't it fair to say that the vast majority of infections were airborne though?

It is. It is NOT correct to say that it was "exclusively air-borne".

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 by: Spike - Tue, 25 Jul 2023 14:33 UTC

YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:

> I can recommend cycling 1500 miles in 10 weeks. I lost just shy of 1 stone.

I can recommend finding a diet that suits, and then staying with it. I’ve
lost 10lbs in the last 10 weeks, and been spared all that physical effort.
BP is gently falling too.

> Now I just need to keep it off.

That’s where dieting helps…you just stay on it.

--
Spike

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 by: YTC#1 - Tue, 25 Jul 2023 18:47 UTC

On 25/07/2023 15:33, Spike wrote:
> YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I can recommend cycling 1500 miles in 10 weeks. I lost just shy of 1 stone.
>
> I can recommend finding a diet that suits, and then staying with it. I’ve
> lost 10lbs in the last 10 weeks, and been spared all that physical effort.

I'd aleeady knocked a stone off in the previous 2 years.
I like exercise :-)

> BP is gently falling too.
Bot an issue for me.

>
>> Now I just need to keep it off.
>
> That’s where dieting helps…you just stay on it.
>

I don't diet, I just eat what is right :-P

But in reality, it is diet (not dieting) plus exercise (even walking)
that is the best medicine.

Currently getting used to eating less, as needed to "fuel up" while away.

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

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 by: Spike - Tue, 25 Jul 2023 20:57 UTC

YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> On 25/07/2023 15:33, Spike wrote:
>> YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I can recommend cycling 1500 miles in 10 weeks. I lost just shy of 1 stone.
>>
>> I can recommend finding a diet that suits, and then staying with it. I’ve
>> lost 10lbs in the last 10 weeks, and been spared all that physical effort.
>
> I'd aleeady knocked a stone off in the previous 2 years.
> I like exercise :-)
>
>> BP is gently falling too.
> Bot an issue for me.
>>
>>> Now I just need to keep it off.
>>
>> That’s where dieting helps…you just stay on it.

> I don't diet, I just eat what is right :-P

LOL

> But in reality, it is diet (not dieting) plus exercise (even walking)
> that is the best medicine.
Spot on.

> Currently getting used to eating less, as needed to "fuel up" while away.

Good call.

--
Spike

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 by: Ace - Wed, 26 Jul 2023 06:47 UTC

On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 21:33:30 -0000 (UTC), geoffC <me@home.nl> wrote:

>As for BP, I think lose weight seems to be the key, for me anyway.

As it happens I just clicked through a link on the beeb to an NHS page
that also stated that losing weight was one of the most important ways
to lower BP.

But what about those people who are not overweight but still have high
BP? Sounds unfair to me, cos we then have to do the other things, like
cutting down on alcohol and salt!

--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

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 by: RustyHinge - Wed, 26 Jul 2023 07:24 UTC

On 26/07/2023 07:47, Ace wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 21:33:30 -0000 (UTC), geoffC <me@home.nl> wrote:
>
>> As for BP, I think lose weight seems to be the key, for me anyway.
>
> As it happens I just clicked through a link on the beeb to an NHS page
> that also stated that losing weight was one of the most important ways
> to lower BP.
>
> But what about those people who are not overweight but still have high
> BP? Sounds unfair to me, cos we then have to do the other things, like
> cutting down on alcohol and salt!
>
I've got used to cooking without salt (mainly) and where I do, it's
always sea salt and just look at me - a fine figure of - um - a crippled
old dribbler.

I think another glass of faux port is called-for - after all, no-one
will notice - I've got five gallons of it maturing...

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

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 by: chrisnd @ukrm - Wed, 26 Jul 2023 08:26 UTC

On 25/07/2023 19:47, YTC#1 wrote:
>
>
> Currently getting used to eating less, as needed to "fuel up" while away.

Yes getting used to eating less is the ultimate key to any diet (IMHO)
In short, if you feel full, you've eaten too much. Get used to feeling
ever so slightly hungry.

Chris

--
The Deuchars BBB#40 COFF#14
Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550t
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 by: Paul Carmichael - Wed, 26 Jul 2023 09:12 UTC

El Wed, 26 Jul 2023 08:47:33 +0200, Ace escribió:

> On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 21:33:30 -0000 (UTC), geoffC <me@home.nl> wrote:
>
>>As for BP, I think lose weight seems to be the key, for me anyway.
>
> As it happens I just clicked through a link on the beeb to an NHS page
> that also stated that losing weight was one of the most important ways
> to lower BP.
>
> But what about those people who are not overweight but still have high
> BP? Sounds unfair to me, cos we then have to do the other things, like
> cutting down on alcohol and salt!

I'm a shadow of my former boozy self. Still drink 16 litres of Spanish
beer per week.

Mostly steam veg or fry in olive oil. No salt. No sugar.

Meat alternate days.

Lots of salads for lunches.

Weighed myself yesterday - 77kg.

BP 130/80. Controlled with drugs.

There is no right way.

Family history (paternal) lots of heart failure. As kids we were fed
bucketloads of salt and sugar. Dunno if it's just coincidence.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es

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 by: wessie - Wed, 26 Jul 2023 10:05 UTC

"chrisnd @ukrm" <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote in
news:kic3lmFptl9U1@mid.individual.net:

> On 25/07/2023 19:47, YTC#1 wrote:
>>
>>
>> Currently getting used to eating less, as needed to "fuel up" while
>> away.
>
> Yes getting used to eating less is the ultimate key to any diet (IMHO)

agree

> In short, if you feel full, you've eaten too much. Get used to
> feeling ever so slightly hungry.
>

that's not right. Evidence, and some evangelising of this evidence by Dr
Michael Moseley, advocates a diet higher in protein as this will make you
feel more sated than spuds, cereals and fruit.

MM points to evidence that people who have a bowl of coco-pops for
breakfast are more likely to still feel hungry and want to scoff cakes for
elevensies. Have some bacon & eggs (without the toast or fried slice[1]) or
liver and fava beans (without the Chianti[1]) for breakfast and you will
feel sated and less likely to snack between meals.

[1] I'm not very good at achieving either of these elements so remain a fat
Welsh poof with good taste in wine[2]
[2] TM darsy

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 by: Ace - Wed, 26 Jul 2023 11:26 UTC

On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 08:24:28 +0100, RustyHinge
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>I've got used to cooking without salt (mainly) and where I do, it's
>always sea salt

Err, so? I mean, what makes you think that sea salt is in any way more
healthy (or should I say less unhealthy?) than any other sort of salt?

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 by: RustyHinge - Wed, 26 Jul 2023 11:38 UTC

On 26/07/2023 12:26, Ace wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 08:24:28 +0100, RustyHinge
> <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>> I've got used to cooking without salt (mainly) and where I do, it's
>> always sea salt
>
> Err, so? I mean, what makes you think that sea salt is in any way more
> healthy (or should I say less unhealthy?) than any other sort of salt?
>
It contains many trace elements not present in NaCl that are not found
elsewhere in such concentration, esp selenium.

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