Happy New Year to the tumbleweed of the internet

On 31/12/2023 22:29, wessie wrote:
>Happy New Year to the tumbleweed of the internet

"Goodnight Jon Boy..."

Chris
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On 31/12/2023 22:43, chrisnd @ukrm wrote:

Wotcha.

> On 31/12/2023 22:29, wessie wrote:
>> Happy New Year to the tumbleweed of the internet
>
> "Goodnight Jon Boy..."

"Nobody here but us chickens" . .

On 12/31/2023 2:29 PM, wessie wrote:
> Happy New Year to the tumbleweed of the internet

Congratulations. You made it. We still have 7 1/2 hours to go and it's
still questionable.

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On Sun, 31 Dec 2023 16:25:41 -0800, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:

>On 12/31/2023 2:29 PM, wessie wrote:
>> Happy New Year to the tumbleweed of the internet

>Congratulations. You made it. We still have 7 1/2 hours to go and it's
>still questionable.

<checks news>

Looks like the USA made it to 2024 too. Well done

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On Sun, 31 Dec 2023 22:29:41 -0000 (UTC), wessie
<willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:

>Happy New Year to the tumbleweed of the internet

According to the date stamp, you were ~90 mins early

But the sentiment is appreciated, all the same
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neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
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On 1/1/2024 9:38 AM, Champ wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Dec 2023 16:25:41 -0800, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 12/31/2023 2:29 PM, wessie wrote:
>>> Happy New Year to the tumbleweed of the internet
>
>> Congratulations. You made it. We still have 7 1/2 hours to go and it's
>> still questionable.
>
> <checks news>
>
> Looks like the USA made it to 2024 too. Well done
>
"Well done"?
Not sure about that. We're on the verge of electing a dictator.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS & ST1100 (in memoriam)

On 31/12/2023 22:29, wessie wrote:
>Happy New Year to the tumbleweed of the internet

Best Wishes one and all for the New Year.
Feliz año nuevo as they say here in Tenerife.

Geoff
NTV 650

On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 11:56:09 -0800, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:

>On 1/1/2024 9:38 AM, Champ wrote:
>> Looks like the USA made it to 2024 too. Well done
>
>"Well done"?
>Not sure about that. We're on the verge of electing a dictator.

One day at a time

Mind you, the 2024 US election looks ominous from lots of directions.
It looks like Trump is nailed on for the Republican nomination, which
is the first of manuy things I find impossible to grok about current
US politics. And then it looks like it'll at least be a close race
between him and Biden. That race is going to be so full of dirty
tricks, misinformation and foreign interference that it make 2016 look
like a different age.

If Trump wins, then the world will turn very dark, very quickly. If
Biden wins, I wouldn't be surprised to see armed militias on the
streets that make 6th Jan look like a kids tea party.

As the chinese curse goes, looks like you're going to live in
interesting times.
--
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neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On 03/01/2024 11:53, Champ wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 11:56:09 -0800, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/1/2024 9:38 AM, Champ wrote:
>>> Looks like the USA made it to 2024 too. Well done
>>
>> "Well done"?
>> Not sure about that. We're on the verge of electing a dictator.
>
> One day at a time
>
> Mind you, the 2024 US election looks ominous from lots of directions.
> It looks like Trump is nailed on for the Republican nomination, which
> is the first of manuy things I find impossible to grok about current
> US politics. And then it looks like it'll at least be a close race
> between him and Biden. That race is going to be so full of dirty
> tricks, misinformation and foreign interference that it make 2016 look
> like a different age.
>
> If Trump wins, then the world will turn very dark, very quickly. If
> Biden wins, I wouldn't be surprised to see armed militias on the
> streets that make 6th Jan look like a kids tea party.
>
> As the chinese curse goes, looks like you're going to live in
> interesting times.

Agreed. All very scary - and that's even without considering Ukraine,
the Middle East, The Gulf, China and the incidental $h1t happening in Japan!

Chris
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On 03/01/2024 11:53, Champ wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 11:56:09 -0800, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/1/2024 9:38 AM, Champ wrote:
>>> Looks like the USA made it to 2024 too. Well done
>>
>> "Well done"?
>> Not sure about that. We're on the verge of electing a dictator.
>
> One day at a time
>
> Mind you, the 2024 US election looks ominous from lots of directions.
> It looks like Trump is nailed on for the Republican nomination, which
> is the first of manuy things I find impossible to grok about current
> US politics. And then it looks like it'll at least be a close race
> between him and Biden. That race is going to be so full of dirty
> tricks, misinformation and foreign interference that it make 2016 look
> like a different age.
>
> If Trump wins, then the world will turn very dark, very quickly. If
> Biden wins, I wouldn't be surprised to see armed militias on the
> streets that make 6th Jan look like a kids tea party.
>
> As the chinese curse goes, looks like you're going to live in
> interesting times.

"grock". You what now?
You are Elon Musk and I claim my five free tweets.

Apparentl, the latest survey suggest that 36% (up from 29%) of voters in
the USA don't believe Biden won fairly.

Not just Turby.

The Tories are attempting to salt the battlefield in the UK so heavily
that even a sane administration will take a while to undo the damage.

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On 1/3/2024 4:30 AM, Pete Fisher wrote:
> On 03/01/2024 11:53, Champ wrote:
>> On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 11:56:09 -0800, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/1/2024 9:38 AM, Champ wrote:
>>>> Looks like the USA made it to 2024 too.  Well done
>>>
>>> "Well done"?
>>> Not sure about that. We're on the verge of electing a dictator.
>>
>> One day at a time
>>
>> Mind you, the 2024 US election looks ominous from  lots of directions.
>> It looks like Trump is nailed on for the Republican nomination, which
>> is the first of many things I find impossible to grok about current
>> US politics.   And then it looks like it'll at least be a close race
>> between him and Biden.  That race is going to be so full of dirty
>> tricks, misinformation and foreign interference that it make 2016 look
>> like a different age.
>>
>> If Trump wins, then the world will turn very dark, very quickly.  If
>> Biden wins, I wouldn't be surprised to see armed militias on the
>> streets that make 6th Jan look like a kids tea party.
>>
>> As the chinese curse goes, looks like you're going to live in
>> interesting times.
>
>
> "grok". You what now?
> You are Elon Musk and I claim my five free tweets.
>
I had to do a google search to figure out that connection. I predict
Musk is going to be added to dictionaries as an insult.

> Apparentl, the latest survey suggest that 36% (up from 29%) of voters in
> the USA don't believe Biden won fairly.
>
It's insane. Trump is literally using language that Hitler used. How
anyone could vote for a man who bragged of committing sexual assault,
mocked the disabled, was convicted of racism, and stiffed hundreds of
contractors (all in public view,) is beyond belief. His followers have
stuffed the courts, gerrymandered voting districts, threatened vote
counters, etc. It's just mind-boggling. And "normal" political
conservatives are putting up with it.

>
> Not just Turby.
>
> The Tories are attempting to salt the battlefield in the UK so heavily
> that even a sane administration will take a while to undo the damage.
>

I'm not optimistic about the future.

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On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 11:56:09 -0800, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:

> "Well done"? Not sure about that. We're on the verge of electing a
> dictator.

W.C. asks, "Yeah, but will anyone swear him in?"

Trump's already taken the oath to:

> preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

+ https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artII-S1-C8-1/ALDE_00001126/

.... and ostensibly already broken it. He's not allowed to take it again.

> No person shall ... hold any office, civil or military, under the
> United States, or under any State, ... who, having previously taken
> an oath ... to support the Constitution of the United States, shall
> have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given
> aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.

+ https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/amendment-14/#14_S3

Apparently, anyone can administer the oath.

+ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_office_of_the_president_of_the_United_States

Although it's usually done by the Chief Justice, other officials of
the Federal Judiciary can and have. State officials have
occasionally, and even relatives of the President.

If it helps, imagine the scene on 20 Jan 2025: Trump ascends to the
podium but Chief Justice Roberts is nowhere to be found.

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On 03/01/2024 15:31, Turby wrote:
>> Apparentl, the latest survey suggest that 36% (up from 29%) of voters
>> in the USA don't believe Biden won fairly.
>>
> It's insane. Trump is literally using language that Hitler used. How
> anyone could vote for a man who bragged of committing sexual assault,
> mocked the disabled, was convicted of racism, and stiffed hundreds of
> contractors (all in public view,) is beyond belief. His followers have
> stuffed the courts, gerrymandered voting districts, threatened vote
> counters, etc. It's just mind-boggling. And "normal" political
> conservatives are putting up with it.

I don't disagree with any of this but, TBH, I want him to win so that in
4 years it will all be over. [1] Whereas, if he loses this time he'll be
back again.

[1] Because, no matter how deluded his supporters are, they aren't going
to suggest abolishing the term limits.

--
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FJR1300AS

On 1/3/2024 12:35 PM, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
> On 03/01/2024 15:31, Turby wrote:
>>> Apparentl, the latest survey suggest that 36% (up from 29%) of voters
>>> in the USA don't believe Biden won fairly.
>>>
>> It's insane. Trump is literally using language that Hitler used. How
>> anyone could vote for a man who bragged of committing sexual assault,
>> mocked the disabled, was convicted of racism, and stiffed hundreds of
>> contractors (all in public view,) is beyond belief. His followers have
>> stuffed the courts, gerrymandered voting districts, threatened vote
>> counters, etc. It's just mind-boggling. And "normal" political
>> conservatives are putting up with it.
>
> I don't disagree with any of this but, TBH, I want him to win so that in
> 4 years it will all be over. [1] Whereas, if he loses this time he'll be
> back again.
>
> [1] Because, no matter how deluded his supporters are, they aren't going
> to suggest abolishing the term limits.
>
Well, his assistants who are testifying against him now won't work for
him again. He will only have sycophants doing his bidding. He has said
there will be "retribution" against his enemies and "heads will roll."
“We pledge to you that we will root out the communists” and “the radical
left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country.”
And he is planning to deploy troops to crush protests.

Germans didn't expect Hitler to rule for 12 years when they elected him
in '33.

--
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FJR1300, R1200GS & ST1100 (in memoriam)

On 04/01/2024 04:35 Bruce Horrocks penned these words:
> no matter how deluded his supporters are, they aren't going
> to suggest abolishing the term limits.

I'd not bet against a workaround like Putain did in Russia by installing a
puppet or declaring an emergency which means we can't hold elections right now.
--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"

On 04/01/2024 07:43, Boots wrote:
> On 04/01/2024 04:35 Bruce Horrocks penned these words:
>> no matter how deluded his supporters are, they aren't going
>> to suggest abolishing the term limits.
>
> I'd not bet against a workaround like Putain did in Russia by installing a
> puppet or declaring an emergency which means we can't hold elections right now.

"Enabling Act" or similar weasel worded bill will be the big red flag.
An Executive Order perhaps - given a Supreme Court packed with his
appointees.
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On 04/01/2024 09:24, Pete Fisher wrote:
> On 04/01/2024 07:43, Boots wrote:
>> On 04/01/2024 04:35 Bruce Horrocks penned these words:
>>> no matter how deluded his supporters are, they aren't going
>>> to suggest abolishing the term limits.
>>
>> I'd not bet against a workaround like Putain did in Russia by
>> installing a
>> puppet or declaring an emergency which means we can't hold elections
>> right now.
>
> "Enabling Act" or similar weasel worded bill will be the big red flag.
> An Executive Order perhaps - given a Supreme Court packed with his
> appointees.

Even though they are his Appointees, they have not been towing the line
so far, and have actually upheld the Law against the orange gibbon
numerous times, so I cannot see him, even if getting back in power,
whcih I doubt, getting Laws changed to save him.

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On 04/01/2024 10:07, Alan Lee wrote:
> On 04/01/2024 09:24, Pete Fisher wrote:
>> On 04/01/2024 07:43, Boots wrote:
>>> On 04/01/2024 04:35 Bruce Horrocks penned these words:
>>>> no matter how deluded his supporters are, they aren't going
>>>> to suggest abolishing the term limits.
>>>
>>> I'd not bet against a workaround like Putain did in Russia by
>>> installing a
>>> puppet or declaring an emergency which means we can't hold elections
>>> right now.
>>
>> "Enabling Act" or similar weasel worded bill will be the big red flag.
>> An Executive Order perhaps - given a Supreme Court packed with his
>> appointees.
>
> Even though they are his Appointees, they have not been towing the line
> so far, and have actually upheld the Law against the orange gibbon
> numerous times, so I cannot see him, even if getting back in power,
> whcih I doubt, getting Laws changed to save him.
>

We can but hope so!

"Lay by your pleading, law lies a-bleeding
Burn all your studies down, and throw away your reading
Small power the word has, and can afford us
Not half so much privilege as the sword does"

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On Wed, 3 Jan 2024 12:30:44 +0000, Pete Fisher
<peter@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>On 03/01/2024 11:53, Champ wrote:
>> It looks like Trump is nailed on for the Republican nomination, which
>> is the first of manuy things I find impossible to grok about current
>> US politics.

>"grock". You what now?

grok. No 'c'

>You are Elon Musk and I claim my five free tweets.

The word is from Robert Heinlein's novel Stranger in a Strange Land.
Written in 1961 i.e. 10 years before Musk was born. I'm confident I
was using the word, as a pretentious teenager, before Musk had learnt
to read
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You never slow down, you never grow old

On Wed, 3 Jan 2024 20:35:54 +0000, Bruce Horrocks
<07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:

>I don't disagree with any of this but, TBH, I want him to win so that in
>4 years it will all be over. [1] Whereas, if he loses this time he'll be
>back again.

>[1] Because, no matter how deluded his supporters are, they aren't going
>to suggest abolishing the term limits.

I think you're being incredibly naive
--
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neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On Wed, 3 Jan 2024 07:31:40 -0800, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:

>How anyone could vote for a man who bragged of committing sexual assault,
>mocked the disabled, was convicted of racism, and stiffed hundreds of
>contractors (all in public view,) is beyond belief.

"If the President does it, I can too"

I suspect a lot of MAGA voters love the "rules no longer apply" ethos
of Trump. But this cannot end well.
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On Thu, 04 Jan 2024 12:01:08 +0000, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

<grok>

>The word is from Robert Heinlein's novel Stranger in a Strange Land.
>Written in 1961 i.e. 10 years before Musk was born. I'm confident I
>was using the word, as a pretentious teenager, before Musk had learnt
>to read

Also, from wikipedia:
"Grok
The word "grok", coined in the novel, made its way into the English
language. In Heinlein's invented Martian language, "grok" literally
means "to drink" and figuratively means "to comprehend", "to love",
and "to be one with". The word rapidly became common parlance among
science fiction fans, hippies, and later computer programmers and
hackers, and has since entered the Oxford English Dictionary."

As an SF fan, programmer, and someone at least hippie-adjacent, I
think it's a perfectly find word for me to use :-)

(see also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok)
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neal at champ dot org dot uk

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You never slow down, you never grow old

On 04/01/2024 12:13, Champ wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Jan 2024 12:01:08 +0000, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
> <grok>
>
>> The word is from Robert Heinlein's novel Stranger in a Strange Land.
>> Written in 1961 i.e. 10 years before Musk was born. I'm confident I
>> was using the word, as a pretentious teenager, before Musk had learnt
>> to read
>
> Also, from wikipedia:
> "Grok
> The word "grok", coined in the novel, made its way into the English
> language. In Heinlein's invented Martian language, "grok" literally
> means "to drink" and figuratively means "to comprehend", "to love",
> and "to be one with". The word rapidly became common parlance among
> science fiction fans, hippies, and later computer programmers and
> hackers, and has since entered the Oxford English Dictionary."
>
> As an SF fan, programmer, and someone at least hippie-adjacent, I
> think it's a perfectly find word for me to use :-)
>
> (see also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok)

Oh. Fair enough.
I haven't read any Heinlein for decades. Was more of a Harry Harrison
reader (Ethical Engineer).
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On 03/01/2024 22:43, Turby wrote:
> On 1/3/2024 12:35 PM, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
>> On 03/01/2024 15:31, Turby wrote:
>>>> Apparentl, the latest survey suggest that 36% (up from 29%) of
>>>> voters in the USA don't believe Biden won fairly.
>>>>
>>> It's insane. Trump is literally using language that Hitler used. How
>>> anyone could vote for a man who bragged of committing sexual assault,
>>> mocked the disabled, was convicted of racism, and stiffed hundreds of
>>> contractors (all in public view,) is beyond belief. His followers
>>> have stuffed the courts, gerrymandered voting districts, threatened
>>> vote counters, etc. It's just mind-boggling. And "normal" political
>>> conservatives are putting up with it.
>>
>> I don't disagree with any of this but, TBH, I want him to win so that
>> in 4 years it will all be over. [1] Whereas, if he loses this time
>> he'll be back again.
>>
>> [1] Because, no matter how deluded his supporters are, they aren't
>> going to suggest abolishing the term limits.
>>
> Well, his assistants who are testifying against him now won't work for
> him again. He will only have sycophants doing his bidding. He has said
> there will be "retribution" against his enemies and "heads will roll."
> “We pledge to you that we will root out the communists” and “the radical
> left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country.”
> And he is planning to deploy troops to crush protests.
>
> Germans didn't expect Hitler to rule for 12 years when they elected him
> in '33.
>
>
1st Godwin's of 2024?

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