On 23/04/2024 18:24, Champ wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 12:57:12 +0000, furmity <no@email.com> wrote:
>
>> I briefly wondered if a flat battery could cause this problem.
>>
>> https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/can-a-dead-cmos-battery-cause-a-pc-to-not-boot.3703445/
>>
>> Maybe. Possibly?
>
> Ah, that's worth a look - thanks!
>
>> Either way pretty cheap to rule it out (but probably a dead motherboard or maybe a poor
>> connection from the PSU?)
>
> The machine hadn#t been moved, so I can't really understand a
> connection going shonky

Ah but they do! It is well worth disconnecting and reconnecting the
main PSU and other 'significant' connectors (HDD etc).
Having previously done this sort of stuff for a living, I developed a
mantra of "90% of electrical faults are actually mechanical faults" -
typically bad connections, chafed wires, failed solder joints etc.

HTH, Chris

--
The Deuchars BBB#40 COFF#14
Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550T
https://www.Deuchars.org.uk

On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 21:15:27 +0100, PipL <pip@nowhere.nul> wrote:

>On 23/04/2024 09:52, Champ wrote:

>> As the previous thread revealed, I simply don't understand how people
>> watvh TV nowadays. Does everybody stream everything? Faced with
>> such almost unlimitless choice, I don't think I would ever find
>> anything to watch. I need something to curate content for me, which
>> is, essentially, what tradititional TV channels do, isn't it?

>I thought I was a die-hard live broadcast watcher, but it occurred to me
>the other day that I haven't watched Freeview regularly for months, live
>or recorded. Nearly everything comes out of a Roku stick these days.

OK, can you explain, slowly for the aged, how "everything comes out of
a Roku stick" actually works, please? What content do you watch, and
how do you access it, how do you select it, etc?

--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 09:58:12 +0100, "chrisnd @ukrm"
<chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:

>On 23/04/2024 18:24, Champ wrote:

>>> Either way pretty cheap to rule it out (but probably a dead motherboard or maybe a poor
>>> connection from the PSU?)
>> The machine hadn#t been moved, so I can't really understand a
>> connection going shonky

>Ah but they do! It is well worth disconnecting and reconnecting the
>main PSU and other 'significant' connectors (HDD etc).
>Having previously done this sort of stuff for a living, I developed a
>mantra of "90% of electrical faults are actually mechanical faults" -
>typically bad connections, chafed wires, failed solder joints etc.

Understood. I unplugged the PSU-motherboard connector, and
reconnected. A PC doesn't need any disks or other devices to POST.

With the mobo disconnected, the PSU fan didn't even start. I think
this is down to a simple pin on the interconnect that tells the PSU
there's something at the other end. But that at least proves that
(most of) the connection is good
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On 24/04/2024 10:10, Champ wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 09:58:12 +0100, "chrisnd @ukrm"
> <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> On 23/04/2024 18:24, Champ wrote:
>
>>>> Either way pretty cheap to rule it out (but probably a dead motherboard or maybe a poor
>>>> connection from the PSU?)
>
>>> The machine hadn#t been moved, so I can't really understand a
>>> connection going shonky
>
>> Ah but they do! It is well worth disconnecting and reconnecting the
>> main PSU and other 'significant' connectors (HDD etc).
>> Having previously done this sort of stuff for a living, I developed a
>> mantra of "90% of electrical faults are actually mechanical faults" -
>> typically bad connections, chafed wires, failed solder joints etc.
>
> Understood. I unplugged the PSU-motherboard connector, and
> reconnected. A PC doesn't need any disks or other devices to POST.
>
> With the mobo disconnected, the PSU fan didn't even start. I think
> this is down to a simple pin on the interconnect that tells the PSU
> there's something at the other end. But that at least proves that
> (most of) the connection is good

Another thing, amongst the many, that can stop your boot is the RAM not
sitting in its socket properly. Over many cycles of heat/cool the RAM
can, due to expansion, creep out of the socket, so give them a wiggle.
If you have multiple RAM sticks try starting with just one in the first
socket.

Alan Lee <alan@darkroom.plus.com> wrote in
news:v0aa5r$2684d$1@dont-email.me:

> On 23/04/2024 20:22, wessie wrote:
>>> Wait a goddamn minute! Freeview is being switched off??? <searches
>>> web> Not as far as I can see
>>>
>>>
>> Technically not until 2030 but a lack of investment in exisitng
>> infrastructure means terrestial signals are pretty shit in a lot of
>> places
>
> Yes, terrestrial/aerial TV reception is terrible here in Southern
> Scotland in between hills, so we went to Freesat, which works
> perfectly, however, that is going, no date put on it yet, but no one
> is putting up new satellites when the internet is being used by many
> for TV reception. I didnt know until recently that Sky no longer
> supply satellite dishes, their content is all internet provided for
> new customers, so I suppose once Sky satellite has gone, Freesat will
> die pretty quickly soon after.
>

I had the option of installing Openreach fibre to the property when I moved
in here which I took. A streaming stick was the most cost effective way to
keep using my perfectly serviceable, but very, very thick, Samsung TV
going. Especially when Roku had brought out a new version and Argos were
flogging the previous one for �15. A combination of future proofing the
internet connection whilst keeping the 15 year old TV going, that I bought
from a friend in 2014 for �50 when she moved in with her now husband.

Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote in news:jqih2j95lrch0f721c8io8u90l8v27qrld@
4ax.com:

> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 21:15:27 +0100, PipL <pip@nowhere.nul> wrote:
>
>>On 23/04/2024 09:52, Champ wrote:
>
>>> As the previous thread revealed, I simply don't understand how people
>>> watvh TV nowadays. Does everybody stream everything? Faced with
>>> such almost unlimitless choice, I don't think I would ever find
>>> anything to watch. I need something to curate content for me, which
>>> is, essentially, what tradititional TV channels do, isn't it?
>
>>I thought I was a die-hard live broadcast watcher, but it occurred to me
>>the other day that I haven't watched Freeview regularly for months, live
>>or recorded. Nearly everything comes out of a Roku stick these days.
>
> OK, can you explain, slowly for the aged, how "everything comes out of
> a Roku stick" actually works, please? What content do you watch, and
> how do you access it, how do you select it, etc?
>

the stick is much like a tablet or phone with media apps. Uses wifi to
connect to my router and has a USB connection for power (most TVs have a
USB socket). HDMI to TV input. Some apps are preloaded and you can go to
the Roku Store and download many more. Some are free, some have ads, some
are subscription only.

I use the BBC iplayer, ITVx C4 and occasionally C5 apps for TV, watching
live or catch-up. I also use Youtube, Spotify and BBC Sounds apps. You can
also stream content over wifi from a laptop etc.

All menu driven much like you see on a phone using the same app. Controls
are via the remote using the arrows etc.

You don't get a multi-channel RPG so I use the Radio Times website for
that.

On 24/04/2024 10:06, Champ wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 21:15:27 +0100, PipL <pip@nowhere.nul> wrote:
>
>> On 23/04/2024 09:52, Champ wrote:
>
>>> As the previous thread revealed, I simply don't understand how people
>>> watvh TV nowadays. Does everybody stream everything? Faced with
>>> such almost unlimitless choice, I don't think I would ever find
>>> anything to watch. I need something to curate content for me, which
>>> is, essentially, what tradititional TV channels do, isn't it?
>
>> I thought I was a die-hard live broadcast watcher, but it occurred to me
>> the other day that I haven't watched Freeview regularly for months, live
>> or recorded. Nearly everything comes out of a Roku stick these days.
>
> OK, can you explain, slowly for the aged, how "everything comes out of
> a Roku stick" actually works, please? What content do you watch, and
> how do you access it, how do you select it, etc?
>
I have exactly the same questions, plz.

(Currently have tv via the air. 'WiFi' is via mobile dongle. - No
'broadband' available...)

Chris
--
The Deuchars BBB#40 COFF#14
Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550T
https://www.Deuchars.org.uk

On 24/04/2024 10:56, wessie wrote:
> Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote in news:jqih2j95lrch0f721c8io8u90l8v27qrld@
> 4ax.com:
>
>> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 21:15:27 +0100, PipL <pip@nowhere.nul> wrote:
>>
>>> On 23/04/2024 09:52, Champ wrote:
>>
>>>> As the previous thread revealed, I simply don't understand how people
>>>> watvh TV nowadays. Does everybody stream everything? Faced with
>>>> such almost unlimitless choice, I don't think I would ever find
>>>> anything to watch. I need something to curate content for me, which
>>>> is, essentially, what tradititional TV channels do, isn't it?
>>
>>> I thought I was a die-hard live broadcast watcher, but it occurred to me
>>> the other day that I haven't watched Freeview regularly for months, live
>>> or recorded. Nearly everything comes out of a Roku stick these days.
>>
>> OK, can you explain, slowly for the aged, how "everything comes out of
>> a Roku stick" actually works, please? What content do you watch, and
>> how do you access it, how do you select it, etc?
>>
>
> the stick is much like a tablet or phone with media apps. Uses wifi to
> connect to my router

Having just realised that we've 'crossed in the post' (due to a medical,
phone 'review' [so cross threads too]), as I suspected, some form of
wired/fibre internet/broadband is required?

In which case, its a non-starter for me.

Chris

--
The Deuchars BBB#40 COFF#14
Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550T
https://www.Deuchars.org.uk

On 24/04/2024 10:10, Champ wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 09:58:12 +0100, "chrisnd @ukrm"
> <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> On 23/04/2024 18:24, Champ wrote:
>
>>>> Either way pretty cheap to rule it out (but probably a dead motherboard or maybe a poor
>>>> connection from the PSU?)
>
>>> The machine hadn#t been moved, so I can't really understand a
>>> connection going shonky
>
>> Ah but they do! It is well worth disconnecting and reconnecting the
>> main PSU and other 'significant' connectors (HDD etc).
>> Having previously done this sort of stuff for a living, I developed a
>> mantra of "90% of electrical faults are actually mechanical faults" -
>> typically bad connections, chafed wires, failed solder joints etc.
>
> Understood. I unplugged the PSU-motherboard connector, and
> reconnected. A PC doesn't need any disks or other devices to POST.
>
> With the mobo disconnected, the PSU fan didn't even start. I think
> this is down to a simple pin on the interconnect that tells the PSU
> there's something at the other end. But that at least proves that
> (most of) the connection is good

Yes, sounds it - but it is always worth a try.
Even I almost got caught out the other week by a 'failed' indicator
bulb. Power appeared at the socket connectors and bulb was not open
circuit so eventual fault found was an imperceptibly corroded spade
terminal...

Chris
--
The Deuchars BBB#40 COFF#14
Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550T
https://www.Deuchars.org.uk

"chrisnd @ukrm" <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote in
news:l8s46bFf4bvU3@mid.individual.net:

>> the stick is much like a tablet or phone with media apps. Uses wifi
>> to connect to my router
>
> Having just realised that we've 'crossed in the post' (due to a
> medical, phone 'review' [so cross threads too]), as I suspected, some
> form of wired/fibre internet/broadband is required?
>
> In which case, its a non-starter for me.
>

no, the Roku connects via wifi so you can use a 4/5G device as a hotspot.
Many people take them in their motorhomes and use public wifi or 4/5G

"chrisnd @ukrm" <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote in
news:l8s3tqFf4bvU2@mid.individual.net:

> On 24/04/2024 10:06, Champ wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 21:15:27 +0100, PipL <pip@nowhere.nul> wrote:
>>
>>> On 23/04/2024 09:52, Champ wrote:
>>
>>>> As the previous thread revealed, I simply don't understand how
>>>> people watvh TV nowadays. Does everybody stream everything?
>>>> Faced with such almost unlimitless choice, I don't think I would
>>>> ever find anything to watch. I need something to curate content
>>>> for me, which is, essentially, what tradititional TV channels do,
>>>> isn't it?
>>
>>> I thought I was a die-hard live broadcast watcher, but it occurred
>>> to me the other day that I haven't watched Freeview regularly for
>>> months, live or recorded. Nearly everything comes out of a Roku
>>> stick these days.
>>
>> OK, can you explain, slowly for the aged, how "everything comes out
>> of a Roku stick" actually works, please? What content do you watch,
>> and how do you access it, how do you select it, etc?
>>
> I have exactly the same questions, plz.
>
> (Currently have tv via the air. 'WiFi' is via mobile dongle. - No
> 'broadband' available...)
>

even if you needed a wired connection to a device, there are plenty of 4/5G
routers available with LAN outputs.

On 24/04/2024 11:21, wessie wrote:
> "chrisnd @ukrm" <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote in
> news:l8s46bFf4bvU3@mid.individual.net:
>
>
>>> the stick is much like a tablet or phone with media apps. Uses wifi
>>> to connect to my router
>>
>> Having just realised that we've 'crossed in the post' (due to a
>> medical, phone 'review' [so cross threads too]), as I suspected, some
>> form of wired/fibre internet/broadband is required?
>>
>> In which case, its a non-starter for me.
>>
>
> no, the Roku connects via wifi so you can use a 4/5G device as a hotspot.
> Many people take them in their motorhomes and use public wifi or 4/5G

Oh, right, thanks - I wasn't expecting that
I'll have a closer look then

Cheers

Chris
--
The Deuchars BBB#40 COFF#14
Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550T
https://www.Deuchars.org.uk

On 24/04/2024 11:23, wessie wrote:
> "chrisnd @ukrm" <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote in
> news:l8s3tqFf4bvU2@mid.individual.net:
>
>> On 24/04/2024 10:06, Champ wrote:
>>> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 21:15:27 +0100, PipL <pip@nowhere.nul> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 23/04/2024 09:52, Champ wrote:
>>>
>>>>> As the previous thread revealed, I simply don't understand how
>>>>> people watvh TV nowadays. Does everybody stream everything?
>>>>> Faced with such almost unlimitless choice, I don't think I would
>>>>> ever find anything to watch. I need something to curate content
>>>>> for me, which is, essentially, what tradititional TV channels do,
>>>>> isn't it?
>>>
>>>> I thought I was a die-hard live broadcast watcher, but it occurred
>>>> to me the other day that I haven't watched Freeview regularly for
>>>> months, live or recorded. Nearly everything comes out of a Roku
>>>> stick these days.
>>>
>>> OK, can you explain, slowly for the aged, how "everything comes out
>>> of a Roku stick" actually works, please? What content do you watch,
>>> and how do you access it, how do you select it, etc?
>>>
>> I have exactly the same questions, plz.
>>
>> (Currently have tv via the air. 'WiFi' is via mobile dongle. - No
>> 'broadband' available...)
>>
>
>
> even if you needed a wired connection to a device, there are plenty of 4/5G
> routers available with LAN outputs.

Ok, again, ta.

Chris
--
The Deuchars BBB#40 COFF#14
Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550T
https://www.Deuchars.org.uk

On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 10:06:29 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

>OK, can you explain, slowly for the aged, how "everything comes out of
>a Roku stick" actually works, please? What content do you watch, and
>how do you access it, how do you select it, etc?

You know the little Android TV boxes you've used in our apartments?
Like that, only with a limited number of streaming service available.

Ours can run any app, and withint most of the apps there exists the
possibility to record and/or download the content.

As it happens, we view most of our content through the Swisscom app
that we subscribe to giving us hundreds of channels, including pretty
much all the UK ones (barring Eurosport and Sky) with a week of replay
and almost unlimited internal recording, so we rarely ever need to
store anything outside of it.

Talking of which, I discoverd that Quest channel had a whole day of
live British and World superbikes last weekend, so enjoiyed a whole
evening of it yesterday. Proper detailed coverage, all the support
races etc. I do hope this continues.

--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote in news:v7vh2jldjfdurggfvqb49ceu4o91eprrqp@4ax.com:

> On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 10:06:29 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>OK, can you explain, slowly for the aged, how "everything comes out of
>>a Roku stick" actually works, please? What content do you watch, and
>>how do you access it, how do you select it, etc?
>
> You know the little Android TV boxes you've used in our apartments?
> Like that, only with a limited number of streaming service available.
>
> Ours can run any app, and withint most of the apps there exists the
> possibility to record and/or download the content.
>

the Gen 4 Chromecast is an alternative to the Roku and will convert any TV
into an Android TV.

> As it happens, we view most of our content through the Swisscom app
> that we subscribe to giving us hundreds of channels, including pretty
> much all the UK ones (barring Eurosport and Sky) with a week of replay
> and almost unlimited internal recording, so we rarely ever need to
> store anything outside of it.
>
> Talking of which, I discoverd that Quest channel had a whole day of
> live British and World superbikes last weekend, so enjoiyed a whole
> evening of it yesterday. Proper detailed coverage, all the support
> races etc. I do hope this continues.
>

Quest have had BSB for ages

On 24/04/2024 10:10, Champ wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 09:58:12 +0100, "chrisnd @ukrm"
>> Ah but they do! It is well worth disconnecting and reconnecting the
>> main PSU and other 'significant' connectors (HDD etc).
>> Having previously done this sort of stuff for a living, I developed a
>> mantra of "90% of electrical faults are actually mechanical faults" -
>> typically bad connections, chafed wires, failed solder joints etc.
>
> Understood. I unplugged the PSU-motherboard connector, and
> reconnected. A PC doesn't need any disks or other devices to POST.
>
> With the mobo disconnected, the PSU fan didn't even start. I think
> this is down to a simple pin on the interconnect that tells the PSU
> there's something at the other end. But that at least proves that
> (most of) the connection is good

There's a switch (probably a power management module of some sort) that
the PSU supplies standby power to, that tells the PSU to switch from
standby to fully powered-up when the ON button is pressed. That way the
mobo can also shut itself down. If the mobo is disconnected then the PSU
won't get a startup signal.

I only learned that it was via the mobo itself in the last week (though,
thinking about it, it's the most logical way) since I had to replace the
PSU on this very PC a couple of days ago.

--

CHUMP #1 (CHarge Up Muppet)

Pip

On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 13:25:48 -0000 (UTC), wessie
<willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:

>Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote in news:v7vh2jldjfdurggfvqb49ceu4o91eprrqp@4ax.com:

>> You know the little Android TV boxes you've used in our apartments?
>> Like that, only with a limited number of streaming service available.
>>
>> Ours can run any app, and withint most of the apps there exists the
>> possibility to record and/or download the content.
>>
>
>the Gen 4 Chromecast is an alternative to the Roku and will convert any TV
>into an Android TV.

Not sure why anyone goes with those branded boxes. There's literally
hundreds of mini TV boxes on Amazon (or the retailer of your choice)
many for under 20 Euros. I've got five of them in operation at the
moment, a coupld have had to be retired over the years as the apps
upgrade and don't support older Android versions, but at that price
it's no big deal.

>> Talking of which, I discoverd that Quest channel had a whole day of
>> live British and World superbikes last weekend, so enjoiyed a whole
>> evening of it yesterday. Proper detailed coverage, all the support
>> races etc. I do hope this continues.
>>
>
>Quest have had BSB for ages

I was just complaining to Champ a few weeks ago that I couldn't get
any decent Englisg coverage of bike racing, with the SBK offering on
itv4 (I think it was) being so editted and with so little content
apart from the actual race highlights that it made it impossible to
follow the season unless you really made an effort to do so elsewhere
as well.

Not sure how long Quest has been included in our package, but it's not
normally a channel I look at, so it was just by happy chance that I
came across it.
--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

Alan Lee wrote:
> I didnt know until recently that Sky no longer supply satellite dishes,
> their content is all internet provided for new customers

Do you have a link ?
On their website it looks like you can still buy a new SkyQ (satellite)
subscription, although they do also have 'streaming only' products.

On 23/04/2024 18:17, Champ wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 13:09:43 +0100, YTC#1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 23/04/2024 09:52, Champ wrote:
>
>>> As the previous thread revealed, I simply don't understand how people
>>> watvh TV nowadays. Does everybody stream everything? Faced with
>
>> Not as a rule, no.
>> I usually record a few series and we can watch them at leisure.
>
> ah. Here we go then.
>
> What sort of device do you use to record?

Not what you want to hear, as we are on Virgin we just use the
associated Tivo.

I'm due for my regular 18month "fuck that price" conversation soon,
might be easier this year as there are (apparently) competing Full Fibre
alternatives.

I've looked at other options, Freeview etc, but as I don't have an
aerial it is an extra outlay :-)

If it was just me, I would only have internet and set up a PVR (probably
with a Pi).

As it is, for (currently) £60/m we get 100Mbs + basic TV package. We
also get a mandatory phone line (not been plugged in since 2015), which
is usually my 1st port of call for a new discount.

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

In article <v0d1ge$2sliq$3@dont-email.me>, YTC#1 says...
>
> On 23/04/2024 18:17, Champ wrote:
> > On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 13:09:43 +0100, YTC#1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> On 23/04/2024 09:52, Champ wrote:
> >
> >>> As the previous thread revealed, I simply don't understand how people
> >>> watvh TV nowadays. Does everybody stream everything? Faced with
> >
> >> Not as a rule, no.
> >> I usually record a few series and we can watch them at leisure.
> >
> > ah. Here we go then.
> >
> > What sort of device do you use to record?
>
> Not what you want to hear, as we are on Virgin we just use the
> associated Tivo.
>
> I'm due for my regular 18month "fuck that price" conversation soon,
> might be easier this year as there are (apparently) competing Full Fibre
> alternatives.
>
> I've looked at other options, Freeview etc, but as I don't have an
> aerial it is an extra outlay :-)
>
> If it was just me, I would only have internet and set up a PVR (probably
> with a Pi).
>
> As it is, for (currently) £60/m we get 100Mbs + basic TV package. We
> also get a mandatory phone line (not been plugged in since 2015), which
> is usually my 1st port of call for a new discount.

Just for comparison purposes, £65/m here gets 250 internet & mid TV package with land line over
internet. Due for renewal next month.

I did a check yesterday and they are offering the same package for new customers at £40/m

On 25/04/2024 08:46, petrolcan wrote:
> In article <v0d1ge$2sliq$3@dont-email.me>, YTC#1 says...
>>
>> On 23/04/2024 18:17, Champ wrote:
>>> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 13:09:43 +0100, YTC#1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 23/04/2024 09:52, Champ wrote:
>>>
>>>>> As the previous thread revealed, I simply don't understand how people
>>>>> watvh TV nowadays. Does everybody stream everything? Faced with
>>>
>>>> Not as a rule, no.
>>>> I usually record a few series and we can watch them at leisure.
>>>
>>> ah. Here we go then.
>>>
>>> What sort of device do you use to record?
>>
>> Not what you want to hear, as we are on Virgin we just use the
>> associated Tivo.
>>
>> I'm due for my regular 18month "fuck that price" conversation soon,
>> might be easier this year as there are (apparently) competing Full Fibre
>> alternatives.
>>
>> I've looked at other options, Freeview etc, but as I don't have an
>> aerial it is an extra outlay :-)
>>
>> If it was just me, I would only have internet and set up a PVR (probably
>> with a Pi).
>>
>> As it is, for (currently) £60/m we get 100Mbs + basic TV package. We
>> also get a mandatory phone line (not been plugged in since 2015), which
>> is usually my 1st port of call for a new discount.
>
> Just for comparison purposes, £65/m here gets 250 internet & mid TV package with land line over
> internet. Due for renewal next month.
>

Ta.
Where is "here"? (I can't remember)
And I presume you are quoting VM?

> I did a check yesterday and they are offering the same package for new customers at £40/m

That will be because there are some competitiors, I'll be doing a switch
comparision and hitting them with that. Now that it appears I can get
fibre from others I will be more keen to use the cancle me option.

Although it will mean getting a PVR to replace the VM one.

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
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On 25/04/2024 01:40, Ace wrote:
>On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 13:25:48 -0000 (UTC), wessie
><willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:
>
>>Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote in news:v7vh2jldjfdurggfvqb49ceu4o91eprrqp@4ax.com:
>
>>> You know the little Android TV boxes you've used in our apartments?
>>> Like that, only with a limited number of streaming service available.
>>>
>>> Ours can run any app, and withint most of the apps there exists the
>>> possibility to record and/or download the content.
>>>
>>
>>the Gen 4 Chromecast is an alternative to the Roku and will convert any TV
>>into an Android TV.
>
>Not sure why anyone goes with those branded boxes. There's literally
>hundreds of mini TV boxes on Amazon (or the retailer of your choice)
>many for under 20 Euros. I've got five of them in operation at the
>moment, a coupld have had to be retired over the years as the apps
>upgrade and don't support older Android versions, but at that price
>it's no big deal.
>

Quality innit. Although 20 Euro does sound tempting. Chromecast is 40 Euro
and you can get all apps from playstore. I've only ever tried one android
box (Minox) and it couldn't get a lot of apps as it wasn't 'approved'.
Gen 4 chromecast is brilliant IMHO.

--
Geoff
NTV 650

In article <v0d20h$2sliq$4@dont-email.me>, YTC#1 says...
>
> On 25/04/2024 08:46, petrolcan wrote:
> > In article <v0d1ge$2sliq$3@dont-email.me>, YTC#1 says...
> >>
> >> On 23/04/2024 18:17, Champ wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 13:09:43 +0100, YTC#1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 23/04/2024 09:52, Champ wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> As the previous thread revealed, I simply don't understand how people
> >>>>> watvh TV nowadays. Does everybody stream everything? Faced with
> >>>
> >>>> Not as a rule, no.
> >>>> I usually record a few series and we can watch them at leisure.
> >>>
> >>> ah. Here we go then.
> >>>
> >>> What sort of device do you use to record?
> >>
> >> Not what you want to hear, as we are on Virgin we just use the
> >> associated Tivo.
> >>
> >> I'm due for my regular 18month "fuck that price" conversation soon,
> >> might be easier this year as there are (apparently) competing Full Fibre
> >> alternatives.
> >>
> >> I've looked at other options, Freeview etc, but as I don't have an
> >> aerial it is an extra outlay :-)
> >>
> >> If it was just me, I would only have internet and set up a PVR (probably
> >> with a Pi).
> >>
> >> As it is, for (currently) £60/m we get 100Mbs + basic TV package. We
> >> also get a mandatory phone line (not been plugged in since 2015), which
> >> is usually my 1st port of call for a new discount.
> >
> > Just for comparison purposes, £65/m here gets 250 internet & mid TV package with land line over
> > internet. Due for renewal next month.
> >
>
> Ta.
> Where is "here"? (I can't remember)
> And I presume you are quoting VM?

To quote Auvache, Her Majesty's Glorious South

And yes, VM.

> > I did a check yesterday and they are offering the same package for new customers at £40/m
>
> That will be because there are some competitiors, I'll be doing a switch
> comparision and hitting them with that. Now that it appears I can get
> fibre from others I will be more keen to use the cancle me option.

I did get offered a renewal online for £81/m which made me chuckle.

On 25/04/2024 09:35, petrolcan wrote:
> In article <v0d20h$2sliq$4@dont-email.me>, YTC#1 says...
>>
>> On 25/04/2024 08:46, petrolcan wrote:
>>> In article <v0d1ge$2sliq$3@dont-email.me>, YTC#1 says...
>>>>
>>>> On 23/04/2024 18:17, Champ wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 13:09:43 +0100, YTC#1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23/04/2024 09:52, Champ wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> As the previous thread revealed, I simply don't understand how people
>>>>>>> watvh TV nowadays. Does everybody stream everything? Faced with
>>>>>
>>>>>> Not as a rule, no.
>>>>>> I usually record a few series and we can watch them at leisure.
>>>>>
>>>>> ah. Here we go then.
>>>>>
>>>>> What sort of device do you use to record?
>>>>
>>>> Not what you want to hear, as we are on Virgin we just use the
>>>> associated Tivo.
>>>>
>>>> I'm due for my regular 18month "fuck that price" conversation soon,
>>>> might be easier this year as there are (apparently) competing Full Fibre
>>>> alternatives.
>>>>
>>>> I've looked at other options, Freeview etc, but as I don't have an
>>>> aerial it is an extra outlay :-)
>>>>
>>>> If it was just me, I would only have internet and set up a PVR (probably
>>>> with a Pi).
>>>>
>>>> As it is, for (currently) £60/m we get 100Mbs + basic TV package. We
>>>> also get a mandatory phone line (not been plugged in since 2015), which
>>>> is usually my 1st port of call for a new discount.
>>>
>>> Just for comparison purposes, £65/m here gets 250 internet & mid TV package with land line over
>>> internet. Due for renewal next month.
>>>
>>
>> Ta.
>> Where is "here"? (I can't remember)
>> And I presume you are quoting VM?
>
> To quote Auvache, His Majesty's Glorious South
> Updated and fixed
Even he could keep up with the times, just :-)
(yeah, I know a quote is a quote)

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

On 25 Apr 2024 at 08:42:06 BST, "YTC#1" <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote:

> If it was just me, I would only have internet and set up a PVR (probably
> with a Pi).

How would that work then - can you record from an internet stream on the (in
this case) Pi? And therefore skip adverts etc. on playback?

--
jeremy