On 24 Apr 2024 at 11:21:01 BST, "wessie" <willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:

> <div id="editor" contenteditable="false">no, the Roku connects via wifi so you
> can use a 4/5G device as a hotspot.
> Many people take them in their motorhomes and use public wifi or 4/5G
> </div>
> <div class="footer" onclick="setCursorToBottom()"></div>

We take ours (or Amazon Firestick) with us when we rent a holiday cottage -
then we can choose to carry on watching a series we may have started before we
went. And it can connect to the wifi in the cottage and if not the hotspot on
my or K's phone. Lots of options.

The "set top box" I guess has no place in the modern world unless it has a DVD
slot or hard drive recording capability.
--
jeremy

On 25/04/2024 14:36, jeremy wrote:
> On 25 Apr 2024 at 08:42:06 BST, "YTC#1" <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> If it was just me, I would only have internet and set up a PVR (probably
>> with a Pi).
>
> How would that work then - can you record from an internet stream on the (in
> this case) Pi? And therefore skip adverts etc. on playback?
>
>
Dunno, not gone that route, but I doubt you can bypass adverts if
streaming straight from ITVX etc.

But maybe if you record it, you can? (after all the VM box is a Tivo,
and that lets me skip ads.

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

On 25 Apr 2024 at 15:05:18 BST, "YTC#1" <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote:

> On 25/04/2024 14:36, jeremy wrote:
>> On 25 Apr 2024 at 08:42:06 BST, "YTC#1" <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> If it was just me, I would only have internet and set up a PVR (probably
>>> with a Pi).
>>
>> How would that work then - can you record from an internet stream on the (in
>> this case) Pi? And therefore skip adverts etc. on playback?
>>
>>
> Dunno, not gone that route, but I doubt you can bypass adverts if
> streaming straight from ITVX etc.
>
> But maybe if you record it, you can? (after all the VM box is a Tivo,
> and that lets me skip ads.

ah ok - i thought because you said you'd probably have internet-only and a PVR
that you already had the recording bit sussed :)

--
jeremy

In article <l8v4irFu1rbU1@mid.individual.net>, jeremy says...
>
> On 25 Apr 2024 at 08:42:06 BST, "YTC#1" <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > If it was just me, I would only have internet and set up a PVR (probably
> > with a Pi).
>
> How would that work then - can you record from an internet stream on the (in
> this case) Pi? And therefore skip adverts etc. on playback?

You need a decent source, qbit & Plex.

You'll never see an advert again.

On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 09:52:46 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

>On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 20:23:56 -0000 (UTC), wessie
><willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:
>
>>https://www.gov.im/categories/home-and-neighbourhood/civic-amenity-sites/
>
>Very droll
>
>As the previous thread revealed, I simply don't understand how people
>watvh TV nowadays.

Humax PVR for terrestial TV, largely recorded and watched later.
Chromecast for Netflix (I feel I ought to subscribe to at least one
channel), iPlayer etc and Kodi running on a Pi, reading from an NAS
disk, for, er.., other sources.

--
Colin Irvine
R1250RS

On 25 Apr 2024 at 15:53:30 BST, "petrolcan" <petrolcan@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <l8v4irFu1rbU1@mid.individual.net>, jeremy says...
>>
>> On 25 Apr 2024 at 08:42:06 BST, "YTC#1" <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> If it was just me, I would only have internet and set up a PVR (probably
>>> with a Pi).
>>
>> How would that work then - can you record from an internet stream on the (in
>> this case) Pi? And therefore skip adverts etc. on playback?
>
> You need a decent source, qbit & Plex.
>
> You'll never see an advert again.

Cool. There's an interesting project then.
--
jeremy

On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 09:52:46 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

> I need something to curate content for me, which is, essentially,
> what tradititional TV channels do, isn't it?

I yield to the temptation to join the "old folks" thread about TV.

Yes, over-the-air (OTA) TV is essentially dead except in big cities.
Here in the USA, Congress keeps selling "bandwidth" to cell-companies.
That bandwidth comes out of the spectrum that used to be allocated to
OTA TV. The result is crowding in the TV spectrum that remains. More
stations that were already close enough geographically to cause
interference are now assigned frequencies too close to be detectable
by the cheap digital tuners in cheap digital TVs. Add the uncertain
state of the atmosphere due to the active sun-cycle phase and
transient effects of weather (which I put down to changes in
capacitance between sky and earth) causing skip from behind the
antenna and from beyond the direction it is pointing. Add increasing
interference from cell communications and the Internet of Things (IOT)
in my house and neighboring houses. It's a wonder anybody thinks OTA
TV is still doable. Notwithstanding big-box retailers sell rabbit
ears rated to bring in signals from 65 miles away, and the unwashed
public will buy them (and return them) oblivious to the fact that the
horizon is closer than that!

Thus, digital TV can be seen for the scam that it was and is.

No, we have something better now: Roku, which gives you the
opportunity to "curate your own" content from the plethora of "free"
programs continually made available. Yes, you have to watch
inconvenient commercials. Well, guess what! I never stopped, so I
have no sympathy.

In the morning, the Haystack News channel feeds me "news" stories
(interspersed with commercials) one after another about homicides in
the big city (chosen from my mailing zip-code), latest antics of His
Orangeness, conspiracy theories, the stock market, conflicts overseas,
demonstrations at home, and the latest in local human-interest drama.
I pretend to curate my own view of the news by fast-forwarding to the
next commercial until the whole thing starts over. On a bad day, I
can see an hour's worth of news plus commercials in less than 45
minutes.

There's a lot of "free" programming available. I'm (re)acquainting
myself with old movies, truthy history, junk science, religious
agendas, and reality programs. There are multiple versions of most of
Shakespeare's plays and the books of Charlotte Brontë and Jane Austen.
It just goes on forever. I find myself watching very familiar stories
repeatedly.

I'll tell you one of my favorites was /James May's Toy Stories/ from
BBC Two where he enacts childhood fantasies with kids' toys. Riding
the electric Meccano (erector set) motorcycle around the Isle of Man
was a stitch.

--
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Worst Case

On 25/04/2024 16:58, Colin Irvine wrote:
>On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 09:52:46 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 20:23:56 -0000 (UTC), wessie
>><willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:
>>
>>>https://www.gov.im/categories/home-and-neighbourhood/civic-amenity-sites/
>>
>>Very droll
>>
>>As the previous thread revealed, I simply don't understand how people
>>watvh TV nowadays.
>
>Humax PVR for terrestial TV, largely recorded and watched later.
>Chromecast for Netflix (I feel I ought to subscribe to at least one
>channel), iPlayer etc and Kodi running on a Pi, reading from an NAS
>disk, for, er.., other sources.

--
Geoff
NTV 650

On 25/04/2024 16:58, Colin Irvine wrote:
>On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 09:52:46 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 20:23:56 -0000 (UTC), wessie
>><willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:
>>
>>>https://www.gov.im/categories/home-and-neighbourhood/civic-amenity-sites/
>>
>>Very droll
>>
>>As the previous thread revealed, I simply don't understand how people
>>watvh TV nowadays.
>
>Humax PVR for terrestial TV, largely recorded and watched later.
>Chromecast for Netflix (I feel I ought to subscribe to at least one
>channel), iPlayer etc and Kodi running on a Pi, reading from an NAS
>disk, for, er.., other sources.

Kodi works nicely on a chromecast too. I like the way it keepster track of
which episodes I've watched already.
--
Geoff
NTV 650

On 25/04/2024 08:05, Sqirrel99 wrote:
> Alan Lee wrote:
>> I didnt know until recently that Sky no longer supply satellite
>> dishes, their content is all internet provided for new customers
>
> Do you have a link ?
> On their website it looks like you can still buy a new SkyQ (satellite)
> subscription, although they do also have 'streaming only' products.

It seems it could still be an option, but not one they will support for
much longer:
<https://www.gbnews.com/tech/sky-q-job-cuts>

<https://advanced-television.com/2022/09/23/sky-to-end-satellite-installations-in-uk/>

From another page
"Up until mid-2022, a visit to the pages on Sky's website that promote
its TV packages would yield a mix of Sky Q satellite deals and the new
kid on the block: Sky Stream. That's just not the case anymore. In fact
the only Sky Q deals available at all – and never put front and centre –
are so-called 'Sky Q Lite' bundles. Sky Q Lite is a cut-down version of
its previous Sky Q satellite service. You can still add on everything
you need to make it a powerhouse TV package, but the fact Sky is no
longer offering multiple varieties of Sky Q with different focuses
(entertainment, movies, sport and so on) is telling of a broad winding
down. "

On 24/04/2024 07:51, Alan Lee wrote:
> On 23/04/2024 20:22, wessie wrote:
>>> Wait a goddamn minute!  Freeview is being switched off??? <searches
>>> web>  Not as far as I can see
>>>
>>>
>> Technically not until 2030 but a lack of investment in exisitng
>> infrastructure means terrestial signals are pretty shit in a lot of
>> places
>
> Yes, terrestrial/aerial TV reception is terrible here in Southern
> Scotland in between hills, so we went to Freesat, which works perfectly,
> however, that is going, no date put on it yet, but no one is putting up
> new satellites when the internet is being used by many for TV reception.
> I didnt know until recently that Sky no longer supply satellite dishes,
> their content is all internet provided for new customers, so I suppose
> once Sky satellite has gone, Freesat will die pretty quickly soon after.

It's a pity that Freesat and later Freeview are going and forcing people
onto streaming as, currently, when your broadband goes up the creek you
can always look to see what's on telly.

I sense an opportunity for a Tiktok video explaining how to read a book
in case of emergencies.

--
Bruce Horrocks
FJR1300AS

In article <l8vfc1F144uU1@mid.individual.net>, jeremy says...
>
> On 25 Apr 2024 at 15:53:30 BST, "petrolcan" <petrolcan@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <l8v4irFu1rbU1@mid.individual.net>, jeremy says...
> >>
> >> On 25 Apr 2024 at 08:42:06 BST, "YTC#1" <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >>> If it was just me, I would only have internet and set up a PVR (probably
> >>> with a Pi).
> >>
> >> How would that work then - can you record from an internet stream on the (in
> >> this case) Pi? And therefore skip adverts etc. on playback?
> >
> > You need a decent source, qbit & Plex.
> >
> > You'll never see an advert again.
>
> Cool. There's an interesting project then.

Fire me an email and I'll get you to your source, the rest will be up to you ;)

On 25/04/2024 18:35, geoffC wrote:
>
> Kodi works nicely on a chromecast too. I like the way it keepster track of
> which episodes I've watched already.

Actually installed on the Chromecast? I didn't know that. Might be an
option for if/when one of the vintage Raspberry Pis dies.

--
Eddie eddie@deguello.org

On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 21:58:07 +0100, Eddie <eddie@deguello.org> wrote:

>On 25/04/2024 18:35, geoffC wrote:
>>
>> Kodi works nicely on a chromecast too. I like the way it keepster track of
>> which episodes I've watched already.
>
>Actually installed on the Chromecast? I didn't know that. Might be an
>option for if/when one of the vintage Raspberry Pis dies.

Nor did I. But I'm not sure I'll bother.
https://robots.net/tech/how-to-load-kodi-on-chromecast/

--
Colin Irvine
R1250RS

On 25/04/2024 18:35, geoffC wrote:
> On 25/04/2024 16:58, Colin Irvine wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 09:52:46 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 20:23:56 -0000 (UTC), wessie
>>> <willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://www.gov.im/categories/home-and-neighbourhood/civic-amenity-sites/
>>>
>>> Very droll
>>>
>>> As the previous thread revealed, I simply don't understand how people
>>> watvh TV nowadays.
>>
>> Humax PVR for terrestial TV, largely recorded and watched later.
>> Chromecast for Netflix (I feel I ought to subscribe to at least one
>> channel), iPlayer etc and Kodi running on a Pi, reading from an NAS
>> disk, for, er.., other sources.
>
> Kodi works nicely on a chromecast too. I like the way it keepster track of
> which episodes I've watched already.
Interesting, I have a very underused Chromecast

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

On 25/04/2024 21:58, Eddie wrote:
> On 25/04/2024 18:35, geoffC wrote:
>>
>> Kodi works nicely on a chromecast too. I like the way it keepster
>> track of
>> which episodes I've watched already.
>
> Actually installed on the Chromecast? I didn't know that. Might be an
> option for if/when one of the vintage Raspberry Pis dies.
>

I had a read of an article, it is appears to be streaming Kodi to your
Chromcast from Laptop or phone.

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 21:01:39 +0100, Bruce Horrocks
<07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:

>It's a pity that Freesat and later Freeview are going and forcing people
>onto streaming as, currently, when your broadband goes up the creek you
>can always look to see what's on telly.
>
>I sense an opportunity for a Tiktok video explaining how to read a book
>in case of emergencies.

<applause>
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On 26/04/2024 09:31, Colin Irvine wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 21:58:07 +0100, Eddie <eddie@deguello.org> wrote:
>
>> On 25/04/2024 18:35, geoffC wrote:
>>>
>>> Kodi works nicely on a chromecast too. I like the way it keepster track of
>>> which episodes I've watched already.
>>
>> Actually installed on the Chromecast? I didn't know that. Might be an
>> option for if/when one of the vintage Raspberry Pis dies.
>
> Nor did I. But I'm not sure I'll bother.
> https://robots.net/tech/how-to-load-kodi-on-chromecast/

Yeah, that's just casting :-/

.... but these describe actually *installing* it:
https://kodi.wiki/view/HOW-TO:Install_Kodi_for_Android
https://troypoint.com/install-kodi-on-chromecast-with-google-tv/

The implication seems to be that it needs to be one of the 4th gen
Chromecasts with Google TV, those actually run Android.

Those new Chromecasts run on Amlogic S905X3 or S805X2:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromecast#Model_comparison

.... which suggests they should have hardware support for the majority of
recent video codecs:
https://kodi.wiki/view/Android_hardware#Compatible_chipsets

I might try it on my latest Chromecast in my Copious Free Time.

--
Eddie eddie@deguello.org

On 26/04/2024 12:03, Champ wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 21:01:39 +0100, Bruce Horrocks
> <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
>
>> I sense an opportunity for a Tiktok video explaining how to read a book
>> in case of emergencies.
>
> <applause>

Today's First Dog on the Moon is relevant:

Do you love to read but the world wide web has turned your brain into
fluff? First Dog on the Moon is here to help
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2024/apr/26/do-you-love-to-read-but-the-world-wide-web-has-turned-your-brain-into-fluff-first-dog-on-the-moon-is-here-to-help

--
Eddie eddie@deguello.org

On 26/04/2024 10:31, Colin Irvine wrote:
>On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 21:58:07 +0100, Eddie <eddie@deguello.org> wrote:
>
>>On 25/04/2024 18:35, geoffC wrote:
>>>
>>> Kodi works nicely on a chromecast too. I like the way it keepster track of
>>> which episodes I've watched already.
>>
>>Actually installed on the Chromecast? I didn't know that. Might be an
>>option for if/when one of the vintage Raspberry Pis dies.
>
>Nor did I. But I'm not sure I'll bother.
>https://robots.net/tech/how-to-load-kodi-on-chromecast/

Not sure what all the fuss is about there, just load the Kodi app from
Playstore, takes about 35secs.
CX file Explorer is in Playstore too, all works on C Cast.

--
Geoff
NTV 650

On 26/04/2024 13:11, Eddie wrote:
>On 26/04/2024 09:31, Colin Irvine wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 21:58:07 +0100, Eddie <eddie@deguello.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 25/04/2024 18:35, geoffC wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Kodi works nicely on a chromecast too. I like the way it keepster track of
>>>> which episodes I've watched already.
>>>
>>> Actually installed on the Chromecast? I didn't know that. Might be an
>>> option for if/when one of the vintage Raspberry Pis dies.
>>
>> Nor did I. But I'm not sure I'll bother.
>> https://robots.net/tech/how-to-load-kodi-on-chromecast/
>
>Yeah, that's just casting :-/
>
>... but these describe actually *installing* it:
>https://kodi.wiki/view/HOW-TO:Install_Kodi_for_Android
>https://troypoint.com/install-kodi-on-chromecast-with-google-tv/
>
>The implication seems to be that it needs to be one of the 4th gen
>Chromecasts with Google TV, those actually run Android.
>
>Those new Chromecasts run on Amlogic S905X3 or S805X2:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromecast#Model_comparison
>
>... which suggests they should have hardware support for the majority of
>recent video codecs:
>https://kodi.wiki/view/Android_hardware#Compatible_chipsets
>
>I might try it on my latest Chromecast in my Copious Free Time.

It works fine on the Chromecast with a remote.
--
Geoff
NTV 650

On 26/04/2024 13:11, Eddie wrote:
>On 26/04/2024 09:31, Colin Irvine wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 21:58:07 +0100, Eddie <eddie@deguello.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 25/04/2024 18:35, geoffC wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Kodi works nicely on a chromecast too. I like the way it keepster track of
>>>> which episodes I've watched already.
>>>
>>> Actually installed on the Chromecast? I didn't know that. Might be an
>>> option for if/when one of the vintage Raspberry Pis dies.
>>
>> Nor did I. But I'm not sure I'll bother.
>> https://robots.net/tech/how-to-load-kodi-on-chromecast/
>
>Yeah, that's just casting :-/
>
>... but these describe actually *installing* it:
>https://kodi.wiki/view/HOW-TO:Install_Kodi_for_Android
>https://troypoint.com/install-kodi-on-chromecast-with-google-tv/
>
>The implication seems to be that it needs to be one of the 4th gen
>Chromecasts with Google TV, those actually run Android.
>
>Those new Chromecasts run on Amlogic S905X3 or S805X2:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromecast#Model_comparison
>
>... which suggests they should have hardware support for the majority of
>recent video codecs:
>https://kodi.wiki/view/Android_hardware#Compatible_chipsets
>
>I might try it on my latest Chromecast in my Copious Free Time.

Oh and I like the OneDrive add on
--
Geoff
NTV 650

On 26/04/2024 13:11, Eddie wrote:
>On 26/04/2024 09:31, Colin Irvine wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 21:58:07 +0100, Eddie <eddie@deguello.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 25/04/2024 18:35, geoffC wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Kodi works nicely on a chromecast too. I like the way it keepster track of
>>>> which episodes I've watched already.
>>>
>>> Actually installed on the Chromecast? I didn't know that. Might be an
>>> option for if/when one of the vintage Raspberry Pis dies.
>>
>> Nor did I. But I'm not sure I'll bother.
>> https://robots.net/tech/how-to-load-kodi-on-chromecast/
>
>Yeah, that's just casting :-/
>
>... but these describe actually *installing* it:
>https://kodi.wiki/view/HOW-TO:Install_Kodi_for_Android
>https://troypoint.com/install-kodi-on-chromecast-with-google-tv/
>
>The implication seems to be that it needs to be one of the 4th gen
>Chromecasts with Google TV, those actually run Android.
>
>Those new Chromecasts run on Amlogic S905X3 or S805X2:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromecast#Model_comparison
>
>... which suggests they should have hardware support for the majority of
>recent video codecs:
>https://kodi.wiki/view/Android_hardware#Compatible_chipsets
>
>I might try it on my latest Chromecast in my Copious Free Time.

Oh yeah and I like the OneDrive add on in Kodi too. Just place the video or
whatever in a share folder and then the chosen few can stream it direct to
their TV

--
Geoff
NTV 650

On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 12:11:48 +0100, Eddie <eddie@deguello.org> wrote:

>On 26/04/2024 09:31, Colin Irvine wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 21:58:07 +0100, Eddie <eddie@deguello.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 25/04/2024 18:35, geoffC wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Kodi works nicely on a chromecast too. I like the way it keepster track of
>>>> which episodes I've watched already.
>>>
>>> Actually installed on the Chromecast? I didn't know that. Might be an
>>> option for if/when one of the vintage Raspberry Pis dies.
>>
>> Nor did I. But I'm not sure I'll bother.
>> https://robots.net/tech/how-to-load-kodi-on-chromecast/
>
>Yeah, that's just casting :-/
>
>... but these describe actually *installing* it:
>https://kodi.wiki/view/HOW-TO:Install_Kodi_for_Android
>https://troypoint.com/install-kodi-on-chromecast-with-google-tv/
>
>The implication seems to be that it needs to be one of the 4th gen
>Chromecasts with Google TV, those actually run Android.

Which is what I have. Thanks for that.

>I might try it on my latest Chromecast in my Copious Free Time.

As might I - eventually.

--
Colin Irvine
R1250RS

On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 12:13:04 +0100, Eddie <eddie@deguello.org> wrote:

>On 26/04/2024 12:03, Champ wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 21:01:39 +0100, Bruce Horrocks
>> <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I sense an opportunity for a Tiktok video explaining how to read a book
>>> in case of emergencies.
>> <applause>

>Today's First Dog on the Moon is relevant:
>
>Do you love to read but the world wide web has turned your brain into
>fluff? First Dog on the Moon is here to help
>https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2024/apr/26/do-you-love-to-read-but-the-world-wide-web-has-turned-your-brain-into-fluff-first-dog-on-the-moon-is-here-to-help

<more applause>
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old