In article <lNlnN.151214$c3Ea.63154@fx10.iad>, Sam Plusnet
<not@home.com> on Wed, 10 Jan 2024 at 00:46:08 awoke Nicholas from his
slumbers and wrote
>On 09-Jan-24 21:10, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>> In article <L5hnN.113937$vFZa.100898@fx13.iad>, Sam Plusnet
>> <not@home.com> on Tue, 9 Jan 2024 at 19:26:35 awoke Nicholas from his
>> slumbers and wrote
>>> On 09-Jan-24 12:00, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 10:51:59 +0000
>>>> Abandoned Trolley <fred@fred-smith.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> However, none of this is of relevance as I don't think there's going to
>>>>> be another referendum any time soon.
>>>>
>>>> There was a survey recently which concluded that a fairly large
>>>> majority thought Brexit was a mistake but also that a similarly large
>>>> majority didn't want to try and reverse it. Which is perhaps not surprising
>>>> the UK had one of the best deals in the EU with a good many special
>>>> provisions and exceptions (like keeping Sterling).
>>>>
>>>> It seems very likely that if the UK were to ask to rejoin now they
>>>> would have to join the queue, go through the process and not get any
>>>> special deals.
>>>>
>>>> The long and short seemed to be, "It was a mistake and now we have
>>>> to live with it and make the best of a bad wbo".
>>>>
>>> Quite. How many EU countries would be willing to accept a new
>>> application from a country which has behaved like a five-year-old in
>>> full tantrum mode?
>>>
>> I'll bite. The EU seems to score quite high on the five old tantrum
>> strop. 'We will stop your supplies of vaccines" comes to mind.
>
>Perhaps you forgot what lead to that.
>(Hint: It involved Boris Johnson.)
>
Hint it involved the EU and a certain Ursula VDL who wanted something
for nothing.
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nev young <newsforpasiphae1953@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On 09/01/2024 12:00, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>
> > The long and short seemed to be, "It was a mistake and now we have
> > to live with it and make the best of a bad wbo^W^W^W^W^W^W^W
> chg hc jvgu gur pbafgnag juvatvat bs gur fnq puvyqera pelvat obb ubb
> orpnhfr gurl pna abg npprcg qrsrng".
> >

See this? ^Ï^ This is me keeping my beek firmly zipped.

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On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 14:31:05 +0000
"Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:

> In article <lNlnN.151214$c3Ea.63154@fx10.iad>, Sam Plusnet
> <not@home.com> on Wed, 10 Jan 2024 at 00:46:08 awoke Nicholas from his
> slumbers and wrote

> >> I'll bite. The EU seems to score quite high on the five old tantrum
> >> strop. 'We will stop your supplies of vaccines" comes to mind.
> >
> >Perhaps you forgot what lead to that.
> >(Hint: It involved Boris Johnson.)
> >
> Hint it involved the EU and a certain Ursula VDL who wanted something
> for nothing.

That is not the case. The EU had been manufacturing and selling
Pfizer vaccines to the UK and other countries. The UK was manufacturing
Astro-Zeneca vaccines and refusing to sell them to the EU. Once this was
clear the EU decided not to supply Pfizer vaccines to the UK until or
unless the trade in vaccines was much better balanced.

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On 10/01/2024 15:16, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 14:31:05 +0000
> "Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <lNlnN.151214$c3Ea.63154@fx10.iad>, Sam Plusnet
>> <not@home.com> on Wed, 10 Jan 2024 at 00:46:08 awoke Nicholas from his
>> slumbers and wrote
>
>>>> I'll bite. The EU seems to score quite high on the five old tantrum
>>>> strop. 'We will stop your supplies of vaccines" comes to mind.
>>>
>>> Perhaps you forgot what lead to that.
>>> (Hint: It involved Boris Johnson.)
>>>
>> Hint it involved the EU and a certain Ursula VDL who wanted something
>> for nothing.
>
> That is not the case. The EU had been manufacturing and selling
> Pfizer vaccines to the UK and other countries. The UK was manufacturing
> Astro-Zeneca vaccines and refusing to sell them to the EU. Once this was
> clear the EU decided not to supply Pfizer vaccines to the UK until or
> unless the trade in vaccines was much better balanced.
>
For the record, on a sample of three, Astra-Zeneca 'good', Pfizer 'bad'
Nuff sed

Chris

Hymermut <tone@email.com> wrote in news:unkv0g$27kdl$1@dont-email.me:

> On 09/01/2024 21:03, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>> In article <unj9rl$1vrqf$1@dont-email.me>, Abandoned Trolley <fred@fred-
>> smith.co.uk> on Tue, 9 Jan 2024 at 11:15:02 awoke Nicholas from his
>> slumbers and wrote
>>> On 09/01/2024 10:59, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
>>>> Abandoned Trolley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I don't think there's going to be another referendum any time soon.
>>>>
>>>> Brenda from Bristol will be relieved ...
>>>
>>>
>>> Mafeking is also relieved
>>
>> But has LadySmith been relieved yet?
>
> She seemed contented last time I visited.

Was she ex3 or ex4?

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On 10/01/2024 17:27, Peter wrote:
> Hymermut <tone@email.com> wrote in news:unkv0g$27kdl$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 09/01/2024 21:03, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>> In article <unj9rl$1vrqf$1@dont-email.me>, Abandoned Trolley <fred@fred-
>>> smith.co.uk> on Tue, 9 Jan 2024 at 11:15:02 awoke Nicholas from his
>>> slumbers and wrote
>>>> On 09/01/2024 10:59, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
>>>>> Abandoned Trolley wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think there's going to be another referendum any time soon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brenda from Bristol will be relieved ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mafeking is also relieved
>>>
>>> But has LadySmith been relieved yet?
>>
>> She seemed contented last time I visited.
>
> Was she ex3 or ex4?
>

X^2+1

Tone

"Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

> One of the issues may be there is nobody still working who remembers how
> we did things before we joined the EEC. Getting visas, joining foreigners'
> queues, the delights of carnets etc. We need to learn again.
>
>
We exported all the beurocrats to Brussels to do that half a century ago,
but we haven't got them back.
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On 11/01/2024 in message <mpro.s73vtr001phrc05tk.me9@privacy.net> me9 wrote:

>"Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>>One of the issues may be there is nobody still working who remembers how
>>we did things before we joined the EEC. Getting visas, joining foreigners'
>>queues, the delights of carnets etc. We need to learn again.
>>
>>
>We exported all the beurocrats to Brussels to do that half a century ago,
>but we haven't got them back.

Are they waiting for space on a small boat?

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It has a non-binary number on the door.

Well, I agree. If only the various peoples and parties in the world would
look at history and realise that short of complete genocide, eventually,
these different factions will have to compromise and live next to each
other. We would have no war in Ukraine, Gaza or probably anywhere else.
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"Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message
news:20240106164901.d5f8507949b3034251d74eec@eircom.net...
> On 6 Jan 2024 16:03:08 GMT
> maus <maus@deb2.org> wrote:
>
>> Years ago, coinage was "Pound Sterling", which I always thought was
>> short for "Pound Easterling money", ie, German money. as the euro is
>> basically German money, and the pound is floating against the euro, is
>> there any sence in the whole mess?. Now, as (de)parting from the euro is
>> part of the platform of the AFD, what is the situation going to be
>> then?. (poundo Italiano?)
>
> If the various far right parties like AFD have their way the EU
> will come to an end. I doubt it will be more than a couple of decades from
> then that war returns to Europe.
>
> --
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> Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
> Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
> Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 11:42:58 -0000
"Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, I agree. If only the various peoples and parties in the world would
> look at history and realise that short of complete genocide, eventually,

“And then, one Thursday, nearly two thousand years after one man had been
nailed to a tree for saying how great it would be to be nice to people for
a change"

Douglas Adams.

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Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

On 10/01/2024 12:47, nev young wrote:
> On 09/01/2024 12:00, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>
>>     The long and short seemed to be, "It was a mistake and now we have
>> to live with it and make the best of a bad wbo^W^W^W^W^W^W^W
> chg hc jvgu gur pbafgnag juvatvat bs gur fnq puvyqera pelvat obb ubb
> orpnhfr gurl pna abg npprcg qrsrng".

We had to put up with it since 1973. Now it's your turn.

Brexit - completely fucking up relationships and friendships in the UK
since 2016.

In uk.rec.sheds, (Jeff Gaines) wrote in
<xn0ogmht1rewfcp002@news.individual.net>::

>On 09/01/2024 in message
><20240109120039.342c5d510cb0f8544658b5b0@eircom.net> Ahem A Rivet's Shot
>wrote:
>
>>The long and short seemed to be, "It was a mistake and now we have
>>to live with it and make the best of a bad wbo".
>
>I disagree completely. I voted to leave and am delighter we did so. It's
>very early days but we seem to be doing no worse than EU members, indeed
>better than some, and we have weathered Covid and the inflation caused by
>the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

My mileage varies, as the leftpondians say.

It's cost me a quarter mil in lost contract, it's totally buggered my
daughter's plans to move to France, and I've not seen a single benefit
to us.
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In uk.rec.sheds, (Abandoned Trolley) wrote in
<unkhj9$260tr$1@dont-email.me>::

>
>> I'll bite. The EU seems to score quite high on the five old tantrum
>> strop. 'We will stop your supplies of vaccines" comes to mind.
>
>
>Along with "we will prohibit a hard border in the Irish mainland" ?

Well, if we have a hard border, we'd be in breach of a treaty that we
signed (in which the USA also has a strong interest).
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Mail: enquiries@cleopatra.co.uk Web: http://www.cleopatra.co.uk
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On 24/01/2024 01:13, Znep wrote:
> In uk.rec.sheds, (Jeff Gaines) wrote in
> <xn0ogmht1rewfcp002@news.individual.net>::
>
>> On 09/01/2024 in message
>> <20240109120039.342c5d510cb0f8544658b5b0@eircom.net> Ahem A Rivet's Shot
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The long and short seemed to be, "It was a mistake and now we have
>>> to live with it and make the best of a bad wbo".
>>
>> I disagree completely. I voted to leave and am delighter we did so. It's
>> very early days but we seem to be doing no worse than EU members, indeed
>> better than some, and we have weathered Covid and the inflation caused by
>> the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
>
> My mileage varies, as the leftpondians say.
>
> It's cost me a quarter mil in lost contract, it's totally buggered my
> daughter's plans to move to France, and I've not seen a single benefit
> to us.

I also have seen no benefits of Brexit at all at all. In fact the opposite.

Tone

Hymermut <tone@email.com> wrote:

> On 24/01/2024 01:13, Znep wrote:
> > In uk.rec.sheds, (Jeff Gaines) wrote in
> > <xn0ogmht1rewfcp002@news.individual.net>::
> >
> > > On 09/01/2024 in message
> > > <20240109120039.342c5d510cb0f8544658b5b0@eircom.net> Ahem A Rivet's
> > > Shot wrote:
> >>
> > > > The long and short seemed to be, "It was a mistake and now we have
> > > > to live with it and make the best of a bad wbo".
> >>
> > > I disagree completely. I voted to leave and am delighter we did so.
> > > It's very early days but we seem to be doing no worse than EU members,
> > > indeed better than some, and we have weathered Covid and the inflation
> > > caused by the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
> >
> > My mileage varies, as the leftpondians say.
> >
> > It's cost me a quarter mil in lost contract, it's totally buggered my
> > daughter's plans to move to France, and I've not seen a single benefit
> > to us.
>
> I also have seen no benefits of Brexit at all at all. In fact the
> opposite.
>
> Tone

^2

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On Wed, 24 Jan 2024, Znep wrote:

> In uk.rec.sheds, (Jeff Gaines) wrote in
> <xn0ogmht1rewfcp002@news.individual.net>::
>
>> On 09/01/2024 in message
>> <20240109120039.342c5d510cb0f8544658b5b0@eircom.net> Ahem A Rivet's Shot
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The long and short seemed to be, "It was a mistake and now we have
>>> to live with it and make the best of a bad wbo".
>>
>> I disagree completely. I voted to leave and am delighter we did so. It's
>> very early days but we seem to be doing no worse than EU members, indeed
>> better than some, and we have weathered Covid and the inflation caused by
>> the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
>
> My mileage varies, as the leftpondians say.
>
> It's cost me a quarter mil in lost contract, it's totally buggered my
> daughter's plans to move to France, and I've not seen a single benefit
> to us.
>

But from a global point of view, it's a great benefit. EU is a socialist
and authoritarian experiment with a severe democracy deficit. UK showed
that it is in fact possible to break free, and I hope many more countries
will do in the coming decades.

International trade has existed since way before the EU so the EU is not a
necessary condition of that.

Now I'm just waiting for a Thatcher in the UK who can restore the UK to
become the worlds financial center, and once that is done, no one will
doubt the wisdom of leaving.

Just look at Switzerland, not a EU member, and they did pretty well for
themselves without any natural resources to talk of.

>
> It's cost me a quarter mil in lost contract, it's totally buggered my
> daughter's plans to move to France, and I've not seen a single benefit
> to us.

One of my sisters has moved to France since Brexit, and another sister
has recently moved from Germany to Spain - no buggery to report

On 2024-01-24, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024, Znep wrote:
>
>> In uk.rec.sheds, (Jeff Gaines) wrote in
>> <xn0ogmht1rewfcp002@news.individual.net>::
>>
>>> On 09/01/2024 in message
>>> <20240109120039.342c5d510cb0f8544658b5b0@eircom.net> Ahem A Rivet's Shot
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The long and short seemed to be, "It was a mistake and now we have
>>>> to live with it and make the best of a bad wbo".
>>>
>
> International trade has existed since way before the EU so the EU is not a
> necessary condition of that.

Go back, and remember. British industry was falling behind the rest of
World, and the films then pointed that out. I remeber "I'm all right,
Jack.''. Decline and fall..
>
> Now I'm just waiting for a Thatcher in the UK who can restore the UK to
> become the worlds financial center, and once that is done, no one will
> doubt the wisdom of leaving.

The ones at the bottom will. Thatcher was a rude, common, blue rinse
who rose above her competance. BSE spread through her amending the rules
from preventing it. I make it a practice to avoid mention of her name in
the North of England.
>
> Just look at Switzerland, not a EU member, and they did pretty well for
> themselves without any natural resources to talk of.

Whereas England, under Thatcher, lost its once customers..
>
>

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On 2024-01-24, Abandoned Trolley <fred@fred-smith.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>> It's cost me a quarter mil in lost contract, it's totally buggered my
>> daughter's plans to move to France, and I've not seen a single benefit
>> to us.
>
>
> One of my sisters has moved to France since Brexit, and another sister
> has recently moved from Germany to Spain - no buggery to report

Lucky you. Sisters are a menace.

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On 24/01/2024 in message <slrnur1tn1.9ie.maus@deb2.org> maus wrote:

>>International trade has existed since way before the EU so the EU is not a
>>necessary condition of that.
>
>Go back, and remember. British industry was falling behind the rest of
>World, and the films then pointed that out. I remeber "I'm all right,
>Jack.''. Decline and fall..

That's right, it was about how communist unions were destroying the
country, Thatcher sorted them out.

>>Now I'm just waiting for a Thatcher in the UK who can restore the UK to
>>become the worlds financial center, and once that is done, no one will
>>doubt the wisdom of leaving.
>
>The ones at the bottom will. Thatcher was a rude, common, blue rinse
>who rose above her competance. BSE spread through her amending the rules
>from preventing it. I make it a practice to avoid mention of her name in
>the North of England.

Thatcher was the best peacetime PM we ever had, prepared us for the
future, only a commie woud make childish comments such as yours.

>>Just look at Switzerland, not a EU member, and they did pretty well for
>>themselves without any natural resources to talk of.
>
>Whereas England, under Thatcher, lost its once customers..

Nonsense.

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If it's not broken, mess around with it until it is

On 2024-01-24, maus <maus@deb2.org> wrote:
> On 2024-01-24, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024, Znep wrote:
>>
>>> In uk.rec.sheds, (Jeff Gaines) wrote in
>>> <xn0ogmht1rewfcp002@news.individual.net>::
>>>
>>>> On 09/01/2024 in message
>>>> <20240109120039.342c5d510cb0f8544658b5b0@eircom.net> Ahem A Rivet's Shot
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The long and short seemed to be, "It was a mistake and now we have
>>>>> to live with it and make the best of a bad wbo".
>>>>
>>
>> International trade has existed since way before the EU so the EU is not a
>> necessary condition of that.
>
>> Just look at Switzerland, not a EU member, and they did pretty well for
>> themselves without any natural resources to talk of.
>
> Whereas England, under Thatcher, lost its once customers..
>>

I have heard lots of arguments about the decline of Britain since 1945.
One was that Britain was on the Winning side, and was left with outdated
industry and attitudes, whereas Germany had to rebuild and rethink

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On 24/01/2024 in message <nvo0rip1m34dbq09kh3nsb6a0v16443mn9@4ax.com> Znep
wrote:

>It's cost me a quarter mil in lost contract, it's totally buggered my
>daughter's plans to move to France, and I've not seen a single benefit
>to us.

Does this help:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13000257

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On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 10:49:46 +0100
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

> International trade has existed since way before the EU so the EU is not
> a necessary condition of that.

Few in the EU want to trade with the UK, having become used to
friction free international trading dealing with the customs delays and
charges is a RPITA.

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Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
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Whate're is best administered is best - Alexander Pope

Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

> On 24/01/2024 in message <slrnur1tn1.9ie.maus@deb2.org> maus wrote:
>
> >>International trade has existed since way before the EU so the EU is not a
> >>necessary condition of that.
> >
> >Go back, and remember. British industry was falling behind the rest of
> >World, and the films then pointed that out. I remeber "I'm all right,
> >Jack.''. Decline and fall..
>
> That's right, it was about how communist unions were destroying the
> country, Thatcher sorted them out.
>
>
> >>Now I'm just waiting for a Thatcher in the UK who can restore the UK to
> >>become the worlds financial center, and once that is done, no one will
> >>doubt the wisdom of leaving.
> >
> >The ones at the bottom will. Thatcher was a rude, common, blue rinse
> >who rose above her competance. BSE spread through her amending the rules
> >from preventing it. I make it a practice to avoid mention of her name in
> >the North of England.
>
> Thatcher was the best peacetime PM we ever had, prepared us for the
> future, only a commie woud make childish comments such as yours.
>
>
> >>Just look at Switzerland, not a EU member, and they did pretty well for
> >>themselves without any natural resources to talk of.
> >
> >Whereas England, under Thatcher, lost its once customers..
>
> Nonsense.

Fancy that, after all these years the Shed has finally grown
a pair of bollocks. At long last there appear to be some
competing voices as counterweight to the echo chamber.

Now that we're indistinguishable from the rest of Usenet,
political sensibilities wise, it's seconds out, ding-ding.

Bagsy me the beer and hotdog concession.

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My pet rock Gordon just is.

On 24/01/2024 12:13, maus wrote:
> On 2024-01-24, maus <maus@deb2.org> wrote:

> I have heard lots of arguments about the decline of Britain since 1945.
> One was that Britain was on the Winning side, and was left with outdated
> industry and attitudes, whereas Germany had to rebuild and rethink
>
Our side also ended up paying for a lot of that and it's not been long
since we paid off the loans we got from the Yanks to [ay for the War.

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John.