Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 10:49:46 +0100
> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
> > International trade has existed since way before the EU so the EU is not
> > a necessary condition of that.
> >
>
> Few in the EU want to trade with the UK, having become used to
> friction free international trading dealing with the customs delays and
> charges is a RPITA.
>

What a shame it is that the affronted Europeans put so many barriers
in the way of free trade between us Brits and your lot. Could it have
been pour encourager les autres and to dissuade others from following
our example?
--
^Ï^. Sn!pe, PA, FIBS - Professional Crastinator

My pet rock Gordon just is.

>
> Fancy that, after all these years the Shed has finally grown
> a pair of bollocks. At long last there appear to be some
> competing voices as counterweight to the echo chamber.
>
> Now that we're indistinguishable from the rest of Usenet,
> political sensibilities wise, it's seconds out, ding-ding.
>
> Bagsy me the beer and hotdog concession.
>

and bagsy me being the heterosexual

Abandoned Trolley <fred@fred-smith.co.uk> wrote:

> >
> > Fancy that, after all these years the Shed has finally grown
> > a pair of bollocks. At long last there appear to be some
> > competing voices as counterweight to the echo chamber.
> >
> > Now that we're indistinguishable from the rest of Usenet,
> > political sensibilities wise, it's seconds out, ding-ding.
> >
> > Bagsy me the beer and hotdog concession.
> >
>
> and bagsy me being the heterosexual
>

~ PERSONAL STATEMENT ~

I hereby declare that I am not a "hetero cismale".
I am a normal heterosexual man; proudly XY.

My preferred pronouns are:- xy; xym; xys;
- which are pronounced: he; him; his.

I politely request that those of a different persuasion
should kindly respect my fundamentally male nature.

Microaggressions make me cry; please do not trigger me.

Thank you for your kind attention.
We now return you to your regular programming.

~~~~ooOOoo~~~~

--
^Ï^. Sn!pe, PA, FIBS - Professional Crastinator

My pet rock Gordon just is.

On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 13:27:01 +0000
snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:

> Bagsy me the beer and hotdog concession.

"POPCORN GETCHA POPCORN 'ERE".

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
For forms of government let fools contest
Whate're is best administered is best - Alexander Pope

On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 13:46:29 +0000
snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:

> What a shame it is that the affronted Europeans put so many barriers
> in the way of free trade between us Brits and your lot. Could it have

My daughter is in the UK for college and wanted some odds and ends
she'd left behind including an old Gameboy and Nintendo Switch. Thinking
nothing of it I boxed up everything she'd asked for and popped it in the
post. She got a letter from HM Customs and Excise demanding around £80
because they'd decided the games had to be new and wouldn't accept that
they weren't. They're back here now and I'll carry them over with me next
time I visit.

> been pour encourager les autres and to dissuade others from following
> our example?

The delays and charges are *both* ways imposed by *both* sides,
something to do with the UK not negotiating any kind of trade deal with the
EU.

The EU did not put any trade barriers in the way, the UK chose to
fall back to WTO rules when the EU stuck to their long stated principle
that the four freedoms of movement enjoyed by EU members are inseparable.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
For forms of government let fools contest
Whate're is best administered is best - Alexander Pope

Jeff Gaines said:
> On 24/01/2024 in message <slrnur1tn1.9ie.maus@deb2.org> maus wrote:
>
>>The ones at the bottom will. Thatcher was a rude, common, blue rinse
>>who rose above her competance. BSE spread through her amending the rules
>>from preventing it. I make it a practice to avoid mention of her name in
>>the North of England.
>
> Thatcher was the best peacetime PM we ever had, prepared us for the
> future, only a commie woud make childish comments such as yours.

I disagree. I can't see anything in that that couldn't equally well be
said by a wild-eyed loony anarchist.

It's not even the language of politics, it's the language of social snobbery.

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

>>
>
> ~ PERSONAL STATEMENT ~
>
> I hereby declare that I am not a "hetero cismale".
> I am a normal heterosexual man; proudly XY.
>
> My preferred pronouns are:- xy; xym; xys;
> - which are pronounced: he; him; his.
>
> I politely request that those of a different persuasion
> should kindly respect my fundamentally male nature.
>
> Microaggressions make me cry; please do not trigger me.
>
> Thank you for your kind attention.
> We now return you to your regular programming.
>
> ~~~~ooOOoo~~~~
>

And in the meantime, dont forget that we live in a tolerant society - so
you should be able to tolerate my intolerance.

On 24/01/2024 11:40, maus wrote:
> On 2024-01-24, Abandoned Trolley <fred@fred-smith.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> It's cost me a quarter mil in lost contract, it's totally buggered my
>>> daughter's plans to move to France, and I've not seen a single benefit
>>> to us.
>>
>>
>> One of my sisters has moved to France since Brexit, and another sister
>> has recently moved from Germany to Spain - no buggery to report
>
> Lucky you. Sisters are a menace.
>
>

too true - I used to refer to them as a "portfolio", but I think "coven"
might be a better word.

Abandoned Trolley <fred@fred-smith.co.uk> wrote:

[...]

> > ~ PERSONAL STATEMENT ~
> >
> > I hereby declare that I am not a "hetero cismale".
> > I am a normal heterosexual man; proudly XY.
> >
> > My preferred pronouns are:- xy; xym; xys;
> > - which are pronounced: he; him; his.
> >
> > I politely request that those of a different persuasion
> > should kindly respect my fundamentally male nature.
> >
> > Microaggressions make me cry; please do not trigger me.
> >
> > Thank you for your kind attention.
> > We now return you to your regular programming.
> >
> > ~~~~ooOOoo~~~~
> >
>
> And in the meantime, dont forget that we live in a tolerant society
> - so you should be able to tolerate my intolerance.
>

I apologise for any unintended microaggressions towards shopping
transportation devices, whether or not they are steering-impaired.
All trolleys are valid and I decry the casual abandonment of them.

--
^Ï^. Sn!pe, PA, FIBS - Professional Crastinator

My pet rock Gordon just is.

On 24/01/2024 in message <uor8rq$1rj3o$1@dont-email.me> Richard Robinson
wrote:

>Jeff Gaines said:
>>On 24/01/2024 in message <slrnur1tn1.9ie.maus@deb2.org> maus wrote:
>>
>>>The ones at the bottom will. Thatcher was a rude, common, blue rinse
>>>who rose above her competance. BSE spread through her amending the rules
>>>from preventing it. I make it a practice to avoid mention of her name in
>>>the North of England.
>>
>>Thatcher was the best peacetime PM we ever had, prepared us for the
>>future, only a commie woud make childish comments such as yours.
>
>I disagree. I can't see anything in that that couldn't equally well be
>said by a wild-eyed loony anarchist.
>
>It's not even the language of politics, it's the language of social
>snobbery.

We can leave the option open, commie or anarchist.

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
The true meaning of life is to plant trees under whose shade you do not
expect to sit.

On Wed, 24 Jan 2024, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 13:46:29 +0000
> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>
>> What a shame it is that the affronted Europeans put so many barriers
>> in the way of free trade between us Brits and your lot. Could it have
>
> My daughter is in the UK for college and wanted some odds and ends
> she'd left behind including an old Gameboy and Nintendo Switch. Thinking
> nothing of it I boxed up everything she'd asked for and popped it in the
> post. She got a letter from HM Customs and Excise demanding around £80
> because they'd decided the games had to be new and wouldn't accept that
> they weren't. They're back here now and I'll carry them over with me next
> time I visit.
>
>> been pour encourager les autres and to dissuade others from following
>> our example?
>
> The delays and charges are *both* ways imposed by *both* sides,
> something to do with the UK not negotiating any kind of trade deal with the
> EU.
>
> The EU did not put any trade barriers in the way, the UK chose to
> fall back to WTO rules when the EU stuck to their long stated principle
> that the four freedoms of movement enjoyed by EU members are inseparable.
>
>

Yet, the "four freedoms" are hardly respected inside the EU. My opinion is
that the EU wants to get back at the UK for daring to leave the socialist
machine, and that's why.

In terms of four freedoms, there's plenty of price protection, subsidies,
legal excemptions etc. going on all over the place to make a joke out of
those.

I do business between 3 EU countries and the US and I'd say it's about an
equal amount of BS among them. However... do note that I'm in IT and
electrons are easy to move so I am sure that someone selling physical
goods has a completely different perspective.

> We can leave the option open, commie or anarchist.
>

All political extremists turn in to Nazis at some point

> I apologise for any unintended microaggressions towards shopping
> transportation devices, whether or not they are steering-impaired.
> All trolleys are valid and I decry the casual abandonment of them.
>

You have clearly misunderstood my "moniker"

I (and my trolley) have abandoned society and its norms, not the other
way round - no apology is required.

On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 14:47:21 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
<steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 13:27:01 +0000 snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>
>> Bagsy me the beer and hotdog concession.
>
> "POPCORN GETCHA POPCORN 'ERE".

"Meat on-a-stick"

....

--
REMIND ME AGAIN, he said, HOW THE LITTLE HORSE-SHAPED ONES MOVE.
Death on symbolic last games (Terry Pratchett, Small Gods)
Wed 11103 Sep 15:20:01 GMT 1993
15:20:01 up 1:23, 7 users, load average: 0.78, 0.46, 0.30

Richard Robinson <richard@qualmograph.org.uk> wrote:

> Jeff Gaines said:
> > On 24/01/2024 in message <slrnur1tn1.9ie.maus@deb2.org> maus wrote:
> >
> >>The ones at the bottom will. Thatcher was a rude, common, blue rinse
> >>who rose above her competance. BSE spread through her amending the rules
> >>from preventing it. I make it a practice to avoid mention of her name in
> >>the North of England.
> >>
> >
> > Thatcher was the best peacetime PM we ever had, prepared us for the
> > future, only a commie woud make childish comments such as yours.
> >
>
> I disagree. I can't see anything in that that couldn't equally well be
> said by a wild-eyed loony anarchist.
>
> It's not even the language of politics, it's the language of social snobbery.
>

Inverted snobbery or otherwise?

--
^Ï^. Sn!pe, PA, FIBS - Professional Crastinator

My pet rock Gordon just is.

Abandoned Trolley said:
>
>> We can leave the option open, commie or anarchist.
>>
>
>
> All political extremists turn in to Nazis at some point

and end up describing the people they're supposed to be responsible to
as "the enemy within"

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

Abandoned Trolley said:
>
>> I apologise for any unintended microaggressions towards shopping
>> transportation devices, whether or not they are steering-impaired.
>> All trolleys are valid and I decry the casual abandonment of them.
>>
>
> You have clearly misunderstood my "moniker"
>
> I (and my trolley) have abandoned society and its norms, not the other
> way round - no apology is required.

Get orff moi taarmac !

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 13:46:29 +0000
> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>
> > What a shame it is that the affronted Europeans put so many barriers
> > in the way of free trade between us Brits and your lot. Could it have
>
> My daughter is in the UK for college and wanted some odds and ends
> she'd left behind including an old Gameboy and Nintendo Switch. Thinking
> nothing of it I boxed up everything she'd asked for and popped it in the
> post. She got a letter from HM Customs and Excise demanding around £80
> because they'd decided the games had to be new and wouldn't accept that
> they weren't. They're back here now and I'll carry them over with me next
> time I visit.
>
> > been pour encourager les autres and to dissuade others from following
> > our example?
>
> The delays and charges are *both* ways imposed by *both* sides,
> something to do with the UK not negotiating any kind of trade deal with the
> EU.
>
> The EU did not put any trade barriers in the way, the UK chose to
> fall back to WTO rules when the EU stuck to their long stated principle
> that the four freedoms of movement enjoyed by EU members are inseparable.
>

I can respect the fact that you have personal reasons to decry what
could have been a perfectly workable Oerkvg had the Europeans not
behaved like a woman scorned (Hell hath no fury, etc.)

What a shame it is that the only possible outcome between two sincerely
held but diametrically opposed viewpoints is trench warfare. I decline
to engage further on this point; let the rueful Remainder hold the day.

--
^Ï^. Sn!pe, PA, FIBS - Professional Crastinator

My pet rock Gordon just is.

The Nomad <nomad@the.desert.invalid> wrote:

> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 14:47:21 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
> <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 13:27:01 +0000 snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
> >
> >> Bagsy me the beer and hotdog concession.
> >
> > "POPCORN GETCHA POPCORN 'ERE".
>
> "Meat on-a-stick"

Named Meat?

--
^Ï^. Sn!pe, PA, FIBS - Professional Crastinator

My pet rock Gordon just is.

Abandoned Trolley <fred@fred-smith.co.uk> wrote:

> > I apologise for any unintended microaggressions towards shopping
> > transportation devices, whether or not they are steering-impaired.
> > All trolleys are valid and I decry the casual abandonment of them.
> >
>
> You have clearly misunderstood my "moniker"
>
> I (and my trolley) have abandoned society and its norms, not the other
> way round - no apology is required.
>

Aha! Thanks for the clarification, AT. I could be tempted to join you.

--
^Ï^. Sn!pe, PA, FIBS - Professional Crastinator

My pet rock Gordon just is.

On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 15:42:15 +0000, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:

> The Nomad <nomad@the.desert.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 14:47:21 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
>> <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>
>> > On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 13:27:01 +0000 snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>> >
>> >> Bagsy me the beer and hotdog concession.
>> >
>> > "POPCORN GETCHA POPCORN 'ERE".
>>
>> "Meat on-a-stick"
>
> Named Meat?

"That'll be extra!" oh and you have to pay for it before you eat it ...

:-)

Avpx
--
The truth may be out there, but lies are inside your head.
(Hogfather)
Wed 11103 Sep 15:45:01 GMT 1993
15:45:01 up 1:48, 7 users, load average: 0.17, 0.18, 0.18

On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 15:36:19 -0000 (UTC)
Richard Robinson <richard@qualmograph.org.uk> wrote:

> Abandoned Trolley said:
> >
> >> I apologise for any unintended microaggressions towards shopping
> >> transportation devices, whether or not they are steering-impaired.
> >> All trolleys are valid and I decry the casual abandonment of them.
> >>
> >
> > You have clearly misunderstood my "moniker"
> >
> > I (and my trolley) have abandoned society and its norms, not the other
> > way round - no apology is required.
>
> Get orff moi taarmac !

Careful 'es a cyclepath.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
For forms of government let fools contest
Whate're is best administered is best - Alexander Pope

On 24-Jan-24 15:38, Sn!pe wrote:
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 13:46:29 +0000
>> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>>
>>> What a shame it is that the affronted Europeans put so many barriers
>>> in the way of free trade between us Brits and your lot. Could it have
>>
>> My daughter is in the UK for college and wanted some odds and ends
>> she'd left behind including an old Gameboy and Nintendo Switch. Thinking
>> nothing of it I boxed up everything she'd asked for and popped it in the
>> post. She got a letter from HM Customs and Excise demanding around £80
>> because they'd decided the games had to be new and wouldn't accept that
>> they weren't. They're back here now and I'll carry them over with me next
>> time I visit.
>>
>>> been pour encourager les autres and to dissuade others from following
>>> our example?
>>
>> The delays and charges are *both* ways imposed by *both* sides,
>> something to do with the UK not negotiating any kind of trade deal with the
>> EU.
>>
>> The EU did not put any trade barriers in the way, the UK chose to
>> fall back to WTO rules when the EU stuck to their long stated principle
>> that the four freedoms of movement enjoyed by EU members are inseparable.
>>
>
> I can respect the fact that you have personal reasons to decry what
> could have been a perfectly workable Oerkvg had the Europeans not
> behaved like a woman scorned (Hell hath no fury, etc.)

Having left the club, you seem upset that we are no longer have the
benefits of club membership, and think that this 'loss of benefits' is
somehow unfair treatment.
I can't follow that line of argument.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 24-Jan-24 15:36, Richard Robinson wrote:
> Abandoned Trolley said:
>>
>>> I apologise for any unintended microaggressions towards shopping
>>> transportation devices, whether or not they are steering-impaired.
>>> All trolleys are valid and I decry the casual abandonment of them.
>>>
>>
>> You have clearly misunderstood my "moniker"
>>
>> I (and my trolley) have abandoned society and its norms, not the other
>> way round - no apology is required.
>
> Get orff moi taarmac !

I thought they all ended up in canals & rivers.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 24-Jan-24 15:41, Sn!pe wrote:
> Abandoned Trolley <fred@fred-smith.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> I apologise for any unintended microaggressions towards shopping
>>> transportation devices, whether or not they are steering-impaired.
>>> All trolleys are valid and I decry the casual abandonment of them.
>>>
>>
>> You have clearly misunderstood my "moniker"
>>
>> I (and my trolley) have abandoned society and its norms, not the other
>> way round - no apology is required.
>>
>
> Aha! Thanks for the clarification, AT. I could be tempted to join you.

But then you would, in effect, be forming a society - so one of you
would be obligated to leave.

--
Sam Plusnet