A stark reminder from UN climate spokesperson Greta Thunberg that we
only have 10 days left to save the humanity from extinction.

On 21st June 2018 Greta Thunberg said "A top climate scientist is
warning that climate change will wipe out all of humanity unless we
stop using fossil fuels over the next five years".

So get your affairs in order and ready to kiss your arse goodbye.

Alternatively, there is a website that lists all 41 major climate
predictions from show-biz people, activists, Princes, Kings and
'scientists' and points out that all 41 have failed to happen.

Sen. John Kerry says that all the climate predictions are coming true
but was unable to name one.

But fear not, a tv advert claims that changing your washing pods will
help "tackle climate change" but can it do it in 10 days?

Bob.

On 11/06/2023 09:42, Bob Latham wrote:
> A stark reminder from UN climate spokesperson Greta Thunberg that we
> only have 10 days left to save the humanity from extinction.
>
> On 21st June 2018 Greta Thunberg said "A top climate scientist is
> warning that climate change will wipe out all of humanity unless we
> stop using fossil fuels over the next five years".
>
> So get your affairs in order and ready to kiss your arse goodbye.
>
> Alternatively, there is a website that lists all 41 major climate
> predictions from show-biz people, activists, Princes, Kings and
> 'scientists' and points out that all 41 have failed to happen.
>
> Sen. John Kerry says that all the climate predictions are coming true
> but was unable to name one.
>
> But fear not, a tv advert claims that changing your washing pods will
> help "tackle climate change" but can it do it in 10 days?
>
> Bob.
>
Idiots have been predicting the End of the World for centuries.

I remember seeing a man walking up and down Oxford St (W1) with a full
body placard stating 'the end of the world is nigh' in the 1950's.

Well 70 years later I'm still here and hope to be for another 5 or 10 at
least.

It's not fossil fuels that are the problem but what schools are putting
into kids heads.

On Sun, 11 Jun 2023 10:27:00 +0100, Jack Harry Teesdale
<noreply492000-medic@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>It's not fossil fuels that are the problem but what schools are putting
>into kids heads.

Couldn't agree more. A few centuries ago we had what we call the
enlightenment. I fear we are now at the dawn of the endarkenment.

Rod.

On 11/06/2023 11:18, Roderick Stewart wrote:
>
> On Sun, 11 Jun 2023 10:27:00 +0100, Jack Harry Teesdale
> <noreply492000-medic@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> It's not fossil fuels that are the problem but what schools are putting
>> into kids heads.
>
> Couldn't agree more. A few centuries ago we had what we call the
> enlightenment. I fear we are now at the dawn of the endarkenment.

The enlightenment was characterised by the use of science to elucidate
the way the world works, anti-science denialism such as climate
denialism is an endarkenment indeed.

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On 11/06/2023 09:42, Bob Latham wrote:
>
> A stark reminder from UN climate spokesperson Greta Thunberg that we
> only have 10 days left to save the humanity from extinction.
>
> On 21st June 2018 Greta Thunberg said "A top climate scientist is
> warning that climate change will wipe out all of humanity unless we
> stop using fossil fuels over the next five years".

Link?

> Alternatively, there is a website that lists all 41 major climate
> predictions from show-biz people, activists, Princes, Kings and
> 'scientists' and points out that all 41 have failed to happen.

Link?

> Sen. John Kerry says that all the climate predictions are coming true
> but was unable to name one.

Link?

> But fear not, a tv advert claims that changing your washing pods will
> help "tackle climate change" but can it do it in 10 days?

Fake scientific claims in advertisements are nothing new and irrelevant.

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I'm assuming you are a sceptic. I do believe we are changing the climate,
but I also believe that the climate is also changing due to the cycles the
earth goes through. It is true we probably woke up far too late, and in the
true way of the human they only think short term, ie our lifetimes. Climate
change is longer lived and very much more dangerous. I cannot see how the
earth can accommodate a continuingly rising number of people, when habitable
areas will reduce over time. Lots will die just as with all the other
organisms on this planet. I do think that the reason we do not see advanced
civilisations out in space is because the civilisations all died out before
that became a reality.
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"Bob Latham" <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote in message
news:5ab2c2edf1bob@sick-of-spam.invalid...
>A stark reminder from UN climate spokesperson Greta Thunberg that we
> only have 10 days left to save the humanity from extinction.
>
> On 21st June 2018 Greta Thunberg said "A top climate scientist is
> warning that climate change will wipe out all of humanity unless we
> stop using fossil fuels over the next five years".
>
> So get your affairs in order and ready to kiss your arse goodbye.
>
> Alternatively, there is a website that lists all 41 major climate
> predictions from show-biz people, activists, Princes, Kings and
> 'scientists' and points out that all 41 have failed to happen.
>
> Sen. John Kerry says that all the climate predictions are coming true
> but was unable to name one.
>
> But fear not, a tv advert claims that changing your washing pods will
> help "tackle climate change" but can it do it in 10 days?
>
> Bob.
>

Bob Latham wrote:

> fear not, a tv advert claims that changing your washing pods will
> help "tackle climate change" but can it do it in 10 days?

I saw a TV advert (I think for a cleaning product) that claims it
"contains a plant-based ingredient" it didn't say "contains all plant
based ingredients" or "doesn't contain nasty chemicals", but I guess
it's to fool the gullible ...

Jack Harry Teesdale wrote:

>
> It's not fossil fuels that are the problem but what schools are putting
> into kids heads.

So called "doomerism" is leading to student suicides, because they're
frightened into believing humanity is going to be burnt to a crisp
during their lifetime ...

In article <kelvofF5te6U1@mid.individual.net>,
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> Jack Harry Teesdale wrote:
> > It's not fossil fuels that are the problem but what schools are
> > putting into kids heads.

> So called "doomerism" is leading to student suicides, because
> they're frightened into believing humanity is going to be burnt to
> a crisp during their lifetime ...

There was a young girl interviewed last week who said she wasn't
going to have children because she didn't want them to burn with the
planet. She was shown the temperatures from the medieval and Roman
warm periods but she didn't believe that. She had no idea how much
CO2 was in the atmosphere either. She was told it had gone up by 1
part in 10,000 in 100 years. She didn't believe that either.

Propaganda in the UK is relentless, dangerous and the country is full
of victims.

This shows the BS the media pump out day after day. Say it constantly
and the people believe anything.

http://www.mightyoak.org.uk/climate/propaganda01.jpg
No different in the UK, the dark red and black maps will be here
soon. Total propaganda, total BS. Last year our "the world is on
fire" max temperature reading was taken not only in a heat island but
also right alongside a runaway with jets landing/taking off but
that's where last year's temperature peak came from.

This is why we have gullible people behaving like mental patients in
the form of Just Stop Oil or Extinction Rebellion. These spoilt
privileged, middle class individuals who are susceptible have been
made ill by this nonsense.

There is a lady who works in our local Wickes and another in
Sainsbury's who even now wear masks all day long. I don't believe
that anyone has ever prevented themselves from getting covid by
wearing a blue mask or an N95 mask. The infection figures for Austria
and Germany show it made no difference.

Bob.

On 11/06/2023 15:22, Bob Latham wrote:
>
> There was a young girl interviewed last week who said she wasn't
> going to have children because she didn't want them to burn with the
> planet. She was shown the temperatures from the medieval and Roman
> warm periods but she didn't believe that. She had no idea how much
> CO2 was in the atmosphere either. She was told it had gone up by 1
> part in 10,000 in 100 years. She didn't believe that either.

There are ignorant people in every walk of life, your anti-science
denialism doesn't help them.

> Propaganda in the UK is relentless, dangerous and the country is full
> of victims.
>
> This shows the BS the media pump out day after day. Say it constantly
> and the people believe anything.
>
> http://www.mightyoak.org.uk/climate/propaganda01.jpg

That's two weather maps of Germany, since when was Germany in the UK?

> No different in the UK, the dark red and black maps will be here
> soon. Total propaganda, total BS. Last year our "the world is on
> fire" max temperature reading was taken not only in a heat island but
> also right alongside a runaway with jets landing/taking off but
> that's where last year's temperature peak came from.

PREVIOUSLY DEBUNKED LIE REPEATED!

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/about-us/press-office/news/weather-and-climate/2022/record-high-temperatures-verified

"The UK’s new record-high temperature of 40.3°C at Coningsby,
Lincolnshire, has been confirmed by the Met Office, following a rigorous
process of analysis and quality control.

The confirmation comes as quality control testing, including physical
inspections, cross-checking of stations and sites and further testing of
equipment was carried out on a number of sites where records were
provisionally broken. These quality control measures are in accordance
with the internationally-agreed World Meteorological Organisation (WMO)
standards, which are required to be accepted as official records."

> This is why we have gullible people behaving like mental patients in
> the form of Just Stop Oil or Extinction Rebellion. These spoilt
> privileged, middle class individuals who are susceptible have been
> made ill by this nonsense.

As opposed to the coffin-dodgers behaving like mental patients in
refusing to accept scientific findings when they don't happen to like them.

> There is a lady who works in our local Wickes and another in
> Sainsbury's who even now wear masks all day long.

Perhaps they are immuno-suppressed and therefore particularly vulnerable.

> I don't believe
> that anyone has ever prevented themselves from getting covid by
> wearing a blue mask or an N95 mask. The infection figures for Austria
> and Germany show it made no difference.

PREVIOUSLY DEBUNKED LIE REPEATED!

The joke on you is that one can't tell anything as detailed as whether
masks work or not just by comparing infection rates in two or three
countries happening to have different mask regimes, because a great deal
more than just the mask regimes will differ between them, and the
results of the comparison will be the result of *ALL* the differing
factors, not just one that you happen to cherry-pick.

The even bigger joke is that you insist on comparing the UK and Germany,
and, when you do that, the country with a tougher mask regime had the
lowest infection and associated rates, which runs completely counter to
your attempted claims!

You are a bigoted ignoramus who understands SFA even about how to apply
even what used to be called 'common sense', let alone actual science!

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On 11/06/2023 15:22, Bob Latham wrote:
> In article <kelvofF5te6U1@mid.individual.net>,
> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>> Jack Harry Teesdale wrote:
>
>>> It's not fossil fuels that are the problem but what schools are
>>> putting into kids heads.
>
>> So called "doomerism" is leading to student suicides, because
>> they're frightened into believing humanity is going to be burnt to
>> a crisp during their lifetime ...
>
> There was a young girl interviewed last week who said she wasn't
> going to have children because she didn't want them to burn with the
> planet. She was shown the temperatures from the medieval and Roman
> warm periods but she didn't believe that. She had no idea how much
> CO2 was in the atmosphere either. She was told it had gone up by 1
> part in 10,000 in 100 years. She didn't believe that either.

Or, put another way, by 33%.

On 11/06/2023 13:51, Andy Burns wrote:
> Bob Latham wrote:
>
>> fear not, a tv advert claims that changing your washing pods will
>> help "tackle climate change" but can it do it in 10 days?
>
> I saw a TV advert (I think for a cleaning product) that claims it
> "contains a plant-based ingredient" it didn't say "contains all plant
> based ingredients" or "doesn't contain nasty chemicals", but I guess
> it's to fool the gullible ...
>
>

There is a lot of greenwashing going on.

I used to compost most of my cardboard food packing but now that
companies are using fewer plastic (internal) bags and/or changing their
packing from plastic containers to cardboard containers I found that
much of the cardboard morphed into plastic covered cardboard. When the
card rotted down it left a thin layer of plastic film. I now put this
cardboard into the recycling sack where it's now possibly a big headache
for both the paper and plastic recycling industries.

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In article <kem90pF76uaU2@mid.individual.net>,
Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote:
> On 11/06/2023 15:22, Bob Latham wrote:
> > In article <kelvofF5te6U1@mid.individual.net>,
> > Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> >> Jack Harry Teesdale wrote:
> >
> >>> It's not fossil fuels that are the problem but what schools are
> >>> putting into kids heads.
> >
> >> So called "doomerism" is leading to student suicides, because
> >> they're frightened into believing humanity is going to be burnt
> >> to a crisp during their lifetime ...
> >
> > There was a young girl interviewed last week who said she wasn't
> > going to have children because she didn't want them to burn with
> > the planet. She was shown the temperatures from the medieval and
> > Roman warm periods but she didn't believe that. She had no idea
> > how much CO2 was in the atmosphere either. She was told it had
> > gone up by 1 part in 10,000 in 100 years. She didn't believe that
> > either.

> Or, put another way, by 33%.

Indeed true but next to nothing going up by 33% is still next to
nothing and only between 3 to 6% of that is from man . It's still
just a trace gas, essential to life and still having no effect on the
climate. The planet has had ice ages for millions of years with CO2
far, far higher.

We've saved ourselves actually as CO2 was dropping towards plant
death so a good thing.

http://www.mightyoak.org.uk/climate/IMG_1193.jpg

or this..

http://www.mightyoak.org.uk/climate/IMG_1206.jpg

Spot the correlation CO2/temp, spot anything unprecedented, spot
anything new??? No, thought not.

It's important to realize that NO empirical evidence exists, which
supports the 19th century "greenhouse theory" and its derivative, the
AGW hypothesis None! There is only evidence for what happens with a
trapped gas but nothing for an atmosphere open to space. If there was
such evidence, it would be wall to wall in the media.

There is no climate crisis.
No overall global temp increase for over 8 years but CO2 is up and up.
Australia just had the coldest May on record.
Antarctica ice shelves grew from 2009 to 2019 and gained 661Gt of
mass but we're burning up.

There is only computer models and covid should have taught everyone
how computer models are there to give the "scientist" (Neil Ferguson
etc.) more credibility than just an opinion. Adjusted to give the
desired result. Their predictions reflect the will of the user.
Remember Ferguson, he's the one that predicted armageddon for Sweden
but in the end they did better than most of Europe including us.

There will probably be a bit more warming yet as El Nino kicks in.
But all of this has happened before and will again long after the
current hysteria is an embarrassing history along with the deaths of
millions caused by netzero stupidity.

Have you noticed they're now telling us that Venus is hot due to
runaway CO2 greenhouse effect, what utter tosh, Mars has a high CO2
atmosphere but it's cold.

We have a problem with communists, globalists and the gullible,
privileged middle classes. Pretty much everyone else knows it's all
BS.

Bob.

On 11/06/2023 17:24, alan_m wrote:
> I used to compost most of my cardboard food packing but now that
> companies are using fewer plastic (internal) bags and/or changing their
> packing from plastic containers to cardboard containers I found that
> much of the cardboard morphed into plastic covered cardboard. When the
> card rotted down it left a thin layer of plastic film.  I now put this
> cardboard into the recycling sack where it's now possibly a big headache
> for both the paper and plastic recycling industries.

My wife insists that I put "the same amount of cardboard as weeds/veg
peelings" in the compost bins. I find that when I come to empty a bin at
the end of the year after it has composted down, the cardboard or paper
is still recognisable in big pieces even though the vegetable matter has
rotted perfectly. And that's proper cardboard (eg Amazon boxes), and not
food packaging which may have plastic coatings and non biodegradable inks.

On 11/06/2023 20:28, Bob Latham wrote:
> In article <kem90pF76uaU2@mid.individual.net>,
> Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote:
>> On 11/06/2023 15:22, Bob Latham wrote:
>>> In article <kelvofF5te6U1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>>>> Jack Harry Teesdale wrote:
>>>
>>>>> It's not fossil fuels that are the problem but what schools are
>>>>> putting into kids heads.
>>>
>>>> So called "doomerism" is leading to student suicides, because
>>>> they're frightened into believing humanity is going to be burnt
>>>> to a crisp during their lifetime ...
>>>
>>> There was a young girl interviewed last week who said she wasn't
>>> going to have children because she didn't want them to burn with
>>> the planet. She was shown the temperatures from the medieval and
>>> Roman warm periods but she didn't believe that. She had no idea
>>> how much CO2 was in the atmosphere either. She was told it had
>>> gone up by 1 part in 10,000 in 100 years. She didn't believe that
>>> either.
>>
>> Or, put another way, by 33%.
>
> Indeed true but next to nothing going up by 33% is still next to
> nothing and only between 3 to 6% of that is from man.

TROLL! REPEAT OF A LIE OFTEN PREVIOUSLY DEBUNKED!

1) Man-made emissions have increased atmospheric CO2 by ...
(405-280)/280 = 45%
.... since the pre-industrial era:

https://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2018/01/the-global-co2-rise-the-facts-exxon-and-the-favorite-denial-tricks/

> It's still just a trace gas, essential to life

TROLL! REPEAT OF A LIE OFTEN PREVIOUSLY DEBUNKED!

It is essential to life IN SUITABLE CONCENTRATIONS, we are increasing
those concentrations at a rate unprecedented since modern complex life
developed.

> and still having no effect on the
> climate.

TROLL! REPEAT OF A LIE OFTEN PREVIOUSLY DEBUNKED!

The link between increasing concentrations of CO2 and rising global
temperatures has been shown by Berkeley Earth Sciences, as well as many
other researchers:
http://berkeleyearth.org/summary-of-findings

> The planet has had ice ages for millions of years with CO2
> far, far higher.

But the sun was dimmer, all the land was concentrated at the poles,
which affected how its radiation was absorbed, and life-forms were
simpler, so probably you would have been quite at home then.

> We've saved ourselves actually as CO2 was dropping towards plant
> death so a good thing.
>
> http://www.mightyoak.org.uk/climate/IMG_1193.jpg

Fakery from faker John Schewchuk - strange how an internet search for
him only finds links to Shitter and like cesspits, and not a single one
to any scientifically credible source to which he has contributed
anything scientifically credible.

> or this..
>
> http://www.mightyoak.org.uk/climate/IMG_1206.jpg

TROLL! REPEAT OF A LIE OFTEN PREVIOUSLY DEBUNKED!

More fakery from faker Nikolov who previously has been debunked many
times here:

https://www.desmogblog.com/ned-nikolov

"February 2017

Nikolov and Zeller publish a paper in a new “open access” journal called
“Environment Pollution and Climate Change” launched by an Indian
publisher which subsequently faced multiple charges of deception from
the Federal Trade Commission relating to the company's claims of peer
review and marketing practices. The journal was at the time edited by an
advisor to the Heartland Institute, Dr Arthur Viterito.

The paper - The Refutation of the Climate Greenhouse Theory and a
Proposal for a Hopeful Alternative - suggested the well-established
theory of greenhouse warming was fatally flawed. Professor Steve
Sherwood, the director of the Climate Change Research Center at the
University of New South Wales in Australia, reviewed the paper and told
DeSmog:

“The paper is laughable. It is so riddled with unsupported,
fantastic and … or … unintelligible claims, arranged in a disorderly
fashion and sprinkled liberally with innuendo.”

Referring to the journal and several papers it had published, Professor
Michael Mann, a climate scientist at Penn State University and a vocal
opponent of climate science denial, told DeSmog: “This isn’t science.
It’s politically motivated denialist garbage.”

He added: “Such sham journals make a mockery of the scientific process
and must be exposed for what they are. Associating in any way with this
pseudo-journal would endanger one’s scientific reputation. Keep your
distance from this toxic mess.”"

Or perhaps another, not even their wives agree with them:

https://eu.coloradoan.com/story/opinion/2017/08/15/letter-story-subjects-climate-claims-dont-hold-water/565495001/

"According to Zeller, both their wives “think they’re crazy.”"

> Spot the correlation CO2/temp, spot anything unprecedented, spot
> anything new??? No, thought not.

I spotted that it was from a known climate denialist who previously has
been debunked here multiple times, but whose rubbish you continue to
troll here.

> It's important to realize that NO empirical evidence exists, which
> supports the 19th century "greenhouse theory" and its derivative, the
> AGW hypothesis None!

TROLL! REPEAT OF A LIE OFTEN PREVIOUSLY DEBUNKED!

See yet again the Berkeley results above.

> There is only evidence for what happens with a
> trapped gas but nothing for an atmosphere open to space. If there was
> such evidence, it would be wall to wall in the media.

Your endless complaint for a long time has been that it was always
wall-to-wall in the media. Make up the turd that passes for your mind.

> There is no climate crisis.
> No overall global temp increase for over 8 years but CO2 is up and up.
> Australia just had the coldest May on record.
> Antarctica ice shelves grew from 2009 to 2019 and gained 661Gt of
> mass but we're burning up.

TROLL! REPEAT OF A LIE OFTEN PREVIOUSLY DEBUNKED!

https://earth.gsfc.nasa.gov/cryo/data/current-state-sea-ice-cover

> There is only computer models and covid should have taught everyone
> how computer models are there to give the "scientist" (Neil Ferguson
> etc.) more credibility than just an opinion. Adjusted to give the
> desired result. Their predictions reflect the will of the user.
> Remember Ferguson, he's the one that predicted armageddon for Sweden
> but in the end they did better than most of Europe including us.

TROLL! REPEAT OF A LIE OFTEN PREVIOUSLY DEBUNKED!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Europe

Note that Sweden had a much worse death rate than all of the countries
most like itself, in other words the other Scandinavian countries.

And, as you have been told times beyond counting before, the purpose of
computer modelling in such situations is to demonstrate the range of
possibilities of what could happen if behaviour doesn't change,
hopefully thereby causing a change in behaviour that will ensure their
worst predictions are never encountered.

> There will probably be a bit more warming yet as El Nino kicks in.
> But all of this has happened before and will again long after the
> current hysteria is an embarrassing history along with the deaths of
> millions caused by netzero stupidity.

You and others like you are the embarrassing present. May you soon be
history!

> Have you noticed they're now telling us that Venus is hot due to
> runaway CO2 greenhouse effect

True, the surface of Venus it hot enough to melt lead.

> what utter tosh,

You really shouldn't make such remarks that make you look a complete jerk.

> Mars has a high CO2
> atmosphere but it's cold.

True, because there are many differences between Mars and Venus, most
importantly that Mars is more than twice the distance from the sun, ans
is also somewhat smaller in cross-section, and therefore receives less
than a quarter of the solar energy as does Venus.

> We have a problem with communists, globalists and the gullible,
> privileged middle classes. Pretty much everyone else knows it's all
> BS.

There is only a problem with right-tarded liars and bullshitters like
yourself. Now go crawl back into your sewer.

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On 11/06/2023 23:37, NY wrote:
> My wife insists that I put "the same amount of cardboard as weeds/veg
> peelings" in the compost bins. I find that when I come to empty a bin at
> the end of the year after it has composted down, the cardboard or paper
> is still recognisable in big pieces even though the vegetable matter has
> rotted perfectly. And that's proper cardboard (eg Amazon boxes), and not
> food packaging which may have plastic coatings and non biodegradable inks.

A few years ago I came across some bundles of cable that I had put in a
couple of plastic carrier bags. They had been in the loft for a couple
of years and the carrier bags had turned to dust - these are the same
carrier bags that one of environmental organisations (*) claimed would
last a thousand years.

(*) More or Less tried to find the source of the claim, it seemed to be
Greenpeace but no one would admit to it, which suggests it was just fiction.

When I first saw this sub line I thought somebody had thrown up all over,
but it was not that at all.

Brian

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> On 11/06/2023 17:24, alan_m wrote:
>> I used to compost most of my cardboard food packing but now that
>> companies are using fewer plastic (internal) bags and/or changing their
>> packing from plastic containers to cardboard containers I found that much
>> of the cardboard morphed into plastic covered cardboard. When the card
>> rotted down it left a thin layer of plastic film. I now put this
>> cardboard into the recycling sack where it's now possibly a big headache
>> for both the paper and plastic recycling industries.
>
> My wife insists that I put "the same amount of cardboard as weeds/veg
> peelings" in the compost bins. I find that when I come to empty a bin at
> the end of the year after it has composted down, the cardboard or paper is
> still recognisable in big pieces even though the vegetable matter has
> rotted perfectly. And that's proper cardboard (eg Amazon boxes), and not
> food packaging which may have plastic coatings and non biodegradable inks.

In article <u65ueq$2vm96$1@dont-email.me>,
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:

Flipped again.

This is fun.

Bob.

MB wrote:

> A few years ago I came across some bundles of cable that I had put in a
> couple of plastic carrier bags.  They had been in the loft for a couple
> of years and the carrier bags had turned to dust - these are the same
> carrier bags that one of environmental organisations (*) claimed would
> last a thousand years.

Are you sure the bags weren't the oxygen-degradable type that some
supermarkets (Tesco for sure, probably others) supplied a few years ago?

In article <u65ueq$2vm96$1@dont-email.me>,
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:

For anyone who is interested, here is JJs favourite video maker Tony
Heller explaining what it's so hot on Venus. Spoiler - not CO2.
Took me ages to find it again, it's quite old but he makes the point
well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WcVGXA6Lr8

JJ you seem incapable of a civil discussion and normal behaviour
therfore you can go back in your kill file box and you can you can be
as vile as your like.

Bob.

In article <kelvofF5te6U1@mid.individual.net>, Andy Burns
<usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> Jack Harry Teesdale wrote:

> >
> > It's not fossil fuels that are the problem but what schools are
> > putting into kids heads.

> So called "doomerism" is leading to student suicides, because they're
> frightened into believing humanity is going to be burnt to a crisp
> during their lifetime ...

No real references given. Seems like something someone made up on a
rainy day.However *if* the second claim has any 'truth'...

Presumably mislead by garbage like the twaddle that Bob posts. You can find
examples on all sides of this. Tells you zip either way about the actual
scientific understanding or reality. Just obsession-fodder for those who
want to wave it about in place of having a clue.

However, it is right to be concerned about climate change, etc. But
the rational advice is to support changes that will help lead to
a good outcome. The good news is that some progress is happening.
Time will tell.

Similarly, it is also right to be concerned about suicides and other
mental health issues which can ruin lives when people can't get
decent treatment/support. And if anyone *is* promoting 'doomerism'
rather than rationally discussing CC and what we can do about it,
that's a problem.

Jim

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In article <5ab2fe11bdbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>, Bob Latham
<bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

> > Or, put another way, by 33%.

> Indeed true but next to nothing going up by 33% is still next to nothing
> and only between 3 to 6% of that is from man . It's still just a trace
> gas, essential to life and still having no effect on the climate. The
> planet has had ice ages for millions of years with CO2 far, far higher.

Shame that you're terrified of reading that book you keep dismissing as a
'Bible' without having read a word it contains. Its packed with evidence
and explanations of what the situation is.

Jim

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In article <u66gdb$31coh$1@dont-email.me>, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

> A few years ago I came across some bundles of cable that I had put in a
> couple of plastic carrier bags. They had been in the loft for a couple
> of years and the carrier bags had turned to dust - these are the same
> carrier bags that one of environmental organisations (*) claimed would
> last a thousand years.

> (*) More or Less tried to find the source of the claim, it seemed to be
> Greenpeace but no one would admit to it, which suggests it was just
> fiction.

Many 'plastic' items can be made to gradually break down in a 'dust' *of
the same plastic. This is often used by makers to tell people that the
plastic 'bio degrades' and imply it is somehow 'green'. It isn't. Quite the
opposite as it can mean the soil or sea ends up with the plastic in the
form of what may be called 'nanoparticles'.

These can then be ingested or breathed in by various animals... which we
may then end up eating as well.

There was a science prog on R4 a few years ago that tested some plastic
bags which makers claimed would 'degrade' and be OK in a compost heap. They
did this. i.e. still lots of plastic, but now harder to seperate from the
rest of the soil because in tiny particles rather than one big bag!

Some items took far longer to 'dissappear'

Greenwashing. Using 'out of sight = out of mind" as a trick.

Jim

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In article <_vednUtDzvsh0Rv5nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, NY
<me@privacy.net> wrote:
> On 11/06/2023 17:24, alan_m wrote:
> > I used to compost most of my cardboard food packing but now that
> > companies are using fewer plastic (internal) bags and/or changing
> > their packing from plastic containers to cardboard containers I found
> > that much of the cardboard morphed into plastic covered cardboard.
> > When the card rotted down it left a thin layer of plastic film. I
> > now put this cardboard into the recycling sack where it's now
> > possibly a big headache for both the paper and plastic recycling
> > industries.

> My wife insists that I put "the same amount of cardboard as weeds/veg
> peelings" in the compost bins.

Odd. Our Council have a 'brown bin' system for 'organic waste' (e.g. scraps
from the kitchen, etc) and a 'black bin' for paper and cardboard. Seems a
sensible distinction froma recycling/disposal POV.

Jim

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Erm... your first guess was accurate in a way... :-)

In article <u66ges$31dvg$1@dont-email.me>, Brian Gaff
<brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
> When I first saw this sub line I thought somebody had thrown up all
> over, but it was not that at all.

> Brian

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