On 20/06/2023 17:41, JNugent wrote:
>
> On 20/06/2023 04:03 pm, Java Jive wrote:
>>
>> On 20/06/2023 11:46, Vir Campestris wrote:
>>>
>>> <https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-11891229/Rising-number-electric-cars-minor-battery-damage-written-off.html>
>>
>> Reading it, there are clearly some valid issues raised, but they are
>> by no means unique to EVs, [ ... ]
>
> Lengthy enforced stops to recharge batteries certainly ARE "unique to EVs".

That wasn't what the article was about, so irrelevant to this subthread.

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On Wed, 21 Jun 2023 17:04:46 +0100, JNugent wrote:

> Your exhaust gases, of course, are emitted in the general direction of
> people who live near the power stations which provide your charging
> current. People who, by and large, have done you no home, while you
> don't mind harming them.

I usually charge my Leaf in the daytime while my solar panels are
producing enough power. The 'granny' charger draws 10A and my mains
voltage is 234, so that's 2.34kW and the panels are rated at 3.9kWp, so
mostly I'm not polluting (till the panels die and can't be recycled!).

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The Other John <nomail@home.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jun 2023 17:04:46 +0100, JNugent wrote:
>
>> Your exhaust gases, of course, are emitted in the general direction of
>> people who live near the power stations which provide your charging
>> current. People who, by and large, have done you no home, while you
>> don't mind harming them.
>
> I usually charge my Leaf in the daytime while my solar panels are
> producing enough power. The 'granny' charger draws 10A and my mains
> voltage is 234, so that's 2.34kW and the panels are rated at 3.9kWp, so
> mostly I'm not polluting (till the panels die and can't be recycled!).
>

Except that your panels are no longer powering the other houses on the
street. So they need to get their power from elsewhere. Until we have 100%
renewable generation, every additional electric car fires up a bit more
fossil generation. The only exception are those few periods where we do
have surplus renewable generation.

On 21/06/2023 06:04 pm, Java Jive wrote:

> On 20/06/2023 17:41, JNugent wrote:
>> On 20/06/2023 04:03 pm, Java Jive wrote:
>>> On 20/06/2023 11:46, Vir Campestris wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-11891229/Rising-number-electric-cars-minor-battery-damage-written-off.html>
>>>
>>>
>>> Reading it, there are clearly some valid issues raised, but they are
>>> by no means unique to EVs, [ ... ]
>>
>> Lengthy enforced stops to recharge batteries certainly ARE "unique to
>> EVs".
>
> That wasn't what the article was about, so irrelevant to this subthread.

You said that valid issues that had been raised were not unique to EVs.

But you were as wrong as a very wrong thing can be, because running out
of charge in the driving battery *is* unique to EVs.

How do you manage to be so wrong, so often?

On 21/06/2023 07:50 pm, The Other John wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Jun 2023 17:04:46 +0100, JNugent wrote:
>
>> Your exhaust gases, of course, are emitted in the general direction of
>> people who live near the power stations which provide your charging
>> current. People who, by and large, have done you no home, while you
>> don't mind harming them.
>
> I usually charge my Leaf in the daytime while my solar panels are
> producing enough power. The 'granny' charger draws 10A and my mains
> voltage is 234, so that's 2.34kW and the panels are rated at 3.9kWp, so
> mostly I'm not polluting (till the panels die and can't be recycled!).

What about the charging stations you use while on your enforced "rest"
stops?

Do you never charge at during the hours of darkness?

Not even in December?

On Sunday, 18 June 2023 at 21:57:44 UTC+1, Java Jive wrote:

> It is quite extraordinary how biased people are about this. No-one
> expects a coal-fired power station to work without having any coal, but
> from the tone of the complaints here somehow wind and solar are expected
> to work without wind and daylight!

Coal can be stored and used at any time. Wind and solar can only be used when they're there.
Bill

In article <5ab2c2edf1bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

> get your affairs in order and ready to kiss your arse goodbye.
> Greta says...

Here's Senator Alex Antic telling us about the real emergency.
https://t.co/7vdJ8qol2W
A trojan horse for globalism and control of you.

And here is Paul Joseph Watson. Not one to hold back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwyK6GTMJsU
Yes, slightly unfair perhaps in that she said it would be too late,
not that the world would end today. Nicely, points out the hypocrisy
of the star ACC preachers.

Cheers,

Bob.

In article <kfhjsiFes5bU6@mid.individual.net>,
JNugent <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:

> How do you manage to be so wrong, so often?

:-)

JJ is NEVER wrong, he's right about everything on every subject.
It's understandable, he's backed up by the Guardian and the BBC.

Make sure you're very clear on that. Okay!

And when ONCE he admitted he was wrong, he was right to raise the
issue. But only once mind...

Bob.

On 22/06/2023 02:24, wrightsaerials@aol.com wrote:
> On Sunday, 18 June 2023 at 21:57:44 UTC+1, Java Jive wrote:
>
>> It is quite extraordinary how biased people are about this. No-one
>> expects a coal-fired power station to work without having any coal, but
>> from the tone of the complaints here somehow wind and solar are expected
>> to work without wind and daylight!
>
> Coal can be stored and used at any time. Wind and solar can only be used when they're there.
> Bill

Battery storage schemes are now coming on-line but are still a relative
'drop in the ocean'.

On 22/06/2023 10:48, Jack Harry Teesdale wrote:
> On 22/06/2023 02:24, wrightsaerials@aol.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, 18 June 2023 at 21:57:44 UTC+1, Java Jive wrote:
>>
>>> It is quite extraordinary how biased people are about this. No-one
>>> expects a coal-fired power station to work without having any coal, but
>>> from the tone of the complaints here somehow wind and solar are expected
>>> to work without wind and daylight!
>>
>> Coal can be stored and used at any time. Wind and solar can only be
>> used when they're there.
>> Bill
>
> Battery storage schemes are now coming on-line but are still a relative
> 'drop in the ocean'.

a fair bit of wind energy is now being stored in Norwegian reservoirs -
including some from GB over the N Sea link

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On 22/06/2023 01:45, JNugent wrote:
> You said that valid issues that had been raised were not unique to EVs.
>
> But you were as wrong as a very wrong thing can be, because running out
> of charge in the driving battery*is* unique to EVs.
>
> How do you manage to be so wrong, so often?

And of course if everyone went and bought a battery car tomorrow, the
National Grid would collapse (not that the market could supply that many
though I suppose they could get more children mining the minerals needed).

In urban areas, there are many who cannot charge their cars in their
drives and many who cannot use solar panels.

On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 01:46:46 +0100, JNugent wrote:

> What about the charging stations you use while on your enforced "rest"
> stops?
>
> Do you never charge at during the hours of darkness?
>
> Not even in December?

I've never used a public charging point in the 2 years I've had the Leaf.
My mobile phone is PAYG with no Apps and I don't know if public chargers
take credit/debit cards or if they have the correct connector as there
seem to be different types.

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On 22/06/2023 02:24, wrightsaerials@aol.com wrote:
>
> On Sunday, 18 June 2023 at 21:57:44 UTC+1, Java Jive wrote:
>>
>> It is quite extraordinary how biased people are about this. No-one
>> expects a coal-fired power station to work without having any coal, but
>> from the tone of the complaints here somehow wind and solar are expected
>> to work without wind and daylight!
>
> Coal can be stored and used at any time. Wind and solar can only be used when they're there.

Of course, but that is not comparing like with like - if you have no
coal to store in the first place, you cannot generate, just as if you
have no wind or sun, you cannot generate.

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On 22/06/2023 08:43, Bob Latham wrote:
>
> Here's Senator Alex Antic telling us about the real emergency.
> h t t p s : / / t . c o / 7 v d J 8 q o l 2 W

A politician, not a climate scientist, so nothing to see there.

> And here is Paul Joseph Watson. Not one to hold back.
> h t t p s : / / w w w . y o u t u b e . c o m / w a t c h ? v = A w y K 6 G T M J s U

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Joseph_Watson

"Paul Joseph Watson (born 24 May 1982)[1] is a British far-right[11]
YouTuber, radio host, and conspiracy theorist.[15] Until July 2016,
Watson embraced the label "alt-right", but he now identifies as part of
the New Right.[16] In May 2019, Facebook and Instagram permanently
banned Watson for violation of hate speech policies.[17][18]"

So nothing to see there either.

> Cheers,

STOP TROLLING THIS NG!

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Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
> On 22/06/2023 02:24, wrightsaerials@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> On Sunday, 18 June 2023 at 21:57:44 UTC+1, Java Jive wrote:
>>>
>>> It is quite extraordinary how biased people are about this. No-one
>>> expects a coal-fired power station to work without having any coal, but
>>> from the tone of the complaints here somehow wind and solar are expected
>>> to work without wind and daylight!
>>
>> Coal can be stored and used at any time. Wind and solar can only be used
>> when they're there.
>
> Of course, but that is not comparing like with like - if you have no
> coal to store in the first place, you cannot generate, just as if you
> have no wind or sun, you cannot generate.

When the environmentalists were trying to head off the nuclear programme,
they used the claim that nuclear wasn’t necessary as we had 200 years of
coal reserves. We’re they lying about that?

If not, and we do have 200 years of coal reserves, whatever point are you
trying to make with your ‘no coal’ statement? It seems well detached from
reality.

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In article <u71bos$39f5h$1@dont-email.me>,
The Other John <nomail@home.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 01:46:46 +0100, JNugent wrote:

> > What about the charging stations you use while on your enforced "rest"
> > stops?
> >
> > Do you never charge at during the hours of darkness?
> >
> > Not even in December?

> I've never used a public charging point in the 2 years I've had the Leaf.
> My mobile phone is PAYG with no Apps and I don't know if public chargers
> take credit/debit cards or if they have the correct connector as there
> seem to be different types.

some of them take credit cards others only their own card or app.

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On 22/06/2023 13:09, Java Jive wrote:
> So nothing to see there either.

Never heard of him and we all know how reliable Wonkypedia is.

On 22/06/2023 13:02, Java Jive wrote:
> Of course, but that is not comparing like with like - if you have no
> coal to store in the first place, you cannot generate, just as if you
> have no wind or sun, you cannot generate.

But if desperate you can always go down and buy a small bag of coal that
will go in the boot or borrow a bucketful.

You can even chop up some chairs or tables. :-)

On 22/06/2023 12:37 pm, The Other John wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 01:46:46 +0100, JNugent wrote:
>
>> What about the charging stations you use while on your enforced "rest"
>> stops?
>>
>> Do you never charge at during the hours of darkness?
>>
>> Not even in December?
>
> I've never used a public charging point in the 2 years I've had the Leaf.
> My mobile phone is PAYG with no Apps and I don't know if public chargers
> take credit/debit cards or if they have the correct connector as there
> seem to be different types.

Your journeys, it can reasonably be assumed, must be of the local
shopping trip or commuting to a local place of work types.

If you were doing, say, trips from Bristol to Leeds to visit family in
that car, you'd NEED to use public charging points (to the extent that
they're available and in working order).

IOW, you are praising your car (fair enough) but failing to mention that
most users would not be able to gain the advantages you manage to gain.

On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 14:54:21 +0100, JNugent wrote:

> Your journeys, it can reasonably be assumed, must be of the local
> shopping trip or commuting to a local place of work types.

Mostly visiting one son 10 miles away or the other one 20 miles away,
other than that it's occasional trips to the tip or hospital visits 2.5
miles away. I walk to the shops to keep my 83 year old legs working!

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On 22/06/2023 14:05, MB wrote:
>
> On 22/06/2023 13:09, Java Jive wrote:
>>
>> So nothing to see there either.
>
> Never heard of him and we all know how reliable Wonkypedia is.

It's a lot more reliable that any of the sources that Bob and some
others link to.

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On 22/06/2023 14:08, MB wrote:
>
> On 22/06/2023 13:02, Java Jive wrote:
>>
>> Of course, but that is not comparing like with like  -  if you have no
>> coal to store in the first place, you cannot generate, just as if you
>> have no wind or sun, you cannot generate.
>
> But if desperate you can always go down and buy a small bag of coal that
> will go in the boot or borrow a bucketful.
>
> You can even chop up some chairs or tables.  :-)

And if you're in a film you can even burn your top hat, but all these
are totally inadequate for a power station.

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"charles" <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote in message
news:5ab805c815charles@candehope.me.uk...
>> And if the nearest available and working charging point is a hundred
>> miles in front of you and you have twenty miles worth of charge, what
>> then?
>
> Don't plan recharging at the last moment.

But as with any recharging, you recharge as late as possible to minimise the
number of times that you have to stop using the device - whether it be a car
or a mobile phone.

It's not as if you only need to stop a car for the time it takes to fill up
a petrol/diesel tank. It's a several-hour delay.

In article <u720de$3c8hu$1@dont-email.me>, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
> "charles" <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote in message
> news:5ab805c815charles@candehope.me.uk...
> >> And if the nearest available and working charging point is a hundred
> >> miles in front of you and you have twenty miles worth of charge, what
> >> then?
> >
> > Don't plan recharging at the last moment.

> But as with any recharging, you recharge as late as possible to minimise
> the number of times that you have to stop using the device - whether it
> be a car or a mobile phone.

> It's not as if you only need to stop a car for the time it takes to fill
> up a petrol/diesel tank. It's a several-hour delay.

If you were charging using a domestic charge point, it could take several
hours. Charging a fast or superfast charger only takes me about 45 minutes.

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On 20/06/2023 18:08, charles wrote:
> By the time I've been to the loo, ordered coffee and drunk it, and walked
> back to the car, the car has charged. My phone app tells me.

Tesla suggest it takes 15 minutes for "up to" 200 miles on one of their
special chargers. That compares badly with the time taken to put that
much petrol/diesel in a car (about 2 minutes), and implies a
correspondingly larger number of chargers to be available at each
"filling station". Seven times more.

It also suggests that if you happen to arrive and there is a queue of 4
cars for the charging station you will be queuing for an hour. Instead
of under 10 minutes for liquid fuel.

Andy