On 20/06/2023 12:08 pm, MB wrote:
> On 20/06/2023 11:43, Vir Campestris wrote:
>> It seems to me that suggests the frequency of hot summers has risen in
>> recent years.
>
>
> Though there also a lot more data being collected.
>
> I get annoyed when the media report that somewhere has had the highest
> temperature EVER when they only have data going back less than two
> hundred years.

+1.

In article <kfe2v6Fsmc0U4@mid.individual.net>,
JNugent <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
> On 20/06/2023 11:00 am, charles wrote:
> > In article <5ab760f14dbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
> > Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> >> In article <5ab729abe9charles@candehope.me.uk>,
> >> charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
> >
> >>> last week I drove 450 miles each way to/from Scotland with a 120
> >>> each way journey while there. No problem.
> >
> >> In what sort of vehicle?
> >
> > All electric Skoda Enyaq
> >
> >> If electric, can you also tell us the details of the battery charging
> >> you needed to do to achieve this.
> >
> > Set off from home (home charger), first recharge at Stafford (lunch
> > stop). second recharge Burton in Kendal (tea break). Overnight.
> > recharge at Hamilton (coffee break), final recharge at Perth (lunch
> > break).

> That's called "making a virtue of necessity", I think.

> OK, we all have to eat, but I for one *hate* having to make repeated
> stops during a car journey.

I reckon 3 hours max between stops for me.

> My car will do over 700 miles without stopping. That's far from uncommon
> these days.

My perevious diesel would probably have done that, but I'd have fallen
asleep.

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In article <kfe2p9Fsmc0U2@mid.individual.net>, JNugent <jnugent@mail.com>
wrote:
> On 19/06/2023 10:00 pm, charles wrote:
> > In article <kfb2j1FehrgU2@mid.individual.net>, JNugent
> > <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
> >> On 19/06/2023 12:46 pm, alan_m wrote:
> >>> On 19/06/2023 11:42, Java Jive wrote:
> >>>> On 19/06/2023 08:52, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> Electric cars are another example. They're expensive, they don't
> >>>>> work as well as what we already have, and they won't save the world
> >>>>> either.
> >>>>
> >>>> They seem to work for a lot of people.
> >>>
> >>> Yes electric cars do work well for a lot of people but for cost or
> >>> for, say, range considerations don't work well for many others.
> >>>
> >>> If you have your own driveway then parking and charging at home is no
> >>> problem.
> >
> >> Even so, it won't work if you have relatives who live three hundred
> >> miles away!
> >
> > last week I drove 450 miles each way to/from Scotland with a 120 each
> > way journey while there. No problem.

> You car will do 450 miles without a recharge?

no I had 2 charge stops. But, I wouldn't drive for that length of journey
without stops for personal recharging. I decided 2 years ago, when I had a
diesel, that 420 miles was too much for one day.

> Which make and model?

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In article <kfe35tFsmc0U5@mid.individual.net>, JNugent <jnugent@mail.com>
wrote:
> On 20/06/2023 04:03 pm, Java Jive wrote:

> > On 20/06/2023 11:46, Vir Campestris wrote:
> >>
> >> <https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-11891229/Rising-number-electric-cars-minor-battery-damage-written-off.html>
> >
> >
> > Tx, but really it should have been there in the first place, saving me
> > requesting it and you looking it up.
> >
> > Reading it, there are clearly some valid issues raised, but they are by
> > no means unique to EVs, [ ... ]

> Lengthy enforced stops to recharge batteries certainly ARE "unique to
> EVs".

By the time I've been to the loo, ordered coffee and drunk it, and walked
back to the car, the car has charged. My phone app tells me.

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On 20/06/2023 14:09, Jack Harry Teesdale wrote:

> As for the distribution reinforcement, required well that will send the
> electricty charges into orbit.

Going green has never been cheap despite what some people would have you
believe with their free wind and free sun arguments. Spending billions
extending the grid to support far flung wind farms negates any saving
that the individual wind generators on those sites are cheaper to run.
Servicing the proposed 100,000 far flung wind generators on a regular
basis isn't going to be cheap. For political reasons it will be
advantageous to generate so many extra green jobs but at the bottom line
the cost just goes on our energy bills.

Lets build more wind farms around the deeper waters around our coast and
just gloss over that the exploration costs associated with the gas and
oil in the same areas were some of the highest in the world due the
extremes of weather. Not an ideal environment for reliable wind farm
operation.

At times it's almost like history repeating itself with the electricity
being too cheap to meter falsehood.

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On 20/06/2023 05:08 pm, charles wrote:
> In article <kfe2v6Fsmc0U4@mid.individual.net>,
> JNugent <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
>> On 20/06/2023 11:00 am, charles wrote:
>>> In article <5ab760f14dbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
>>> Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
>>>> In article <5ab729abe9charles@candehope.me.uk>,
>>>> charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> last week I drove 450 miles each way to/from Scotland with a 120
>>>>> each way journey while there. No problem.
>>>
>>>> In what sort of vehicle?
>>>
>>> All electric Skoda Enyaq
>>>
>>>> If electric, can you also tell us the details of the battery charging
>>>> you needed to do to achieve this.
>>>
>>> Set off from home (home charger), first recharge at Stafford (lunch
>>> stop). second recharge Burton in Kendal (tea break). Overnight.
>>> recharge at Hamilton (coffee break), final recharge at Perth (lunch
>>> break).
>
>> That's called "making a virtue of necessity", I think.
>
>> OK, we all have to eat, but I for one *hate* having to make repeated
>> stops during a car journey.
>
> I reckon 3 hours max between stops for me.

Mine are further apart then that. An electric car that won't get you as
far you want to go *without* stops which would be be unnecessary in a
normal car is literally useless.
>
>> My car will do over 700 miles without stopping. That's far from uncommon
>> these days.
>
> My perevious diesel would probably have done that, but I'd have fallen
> asleep.

On 20/06/2023 05:08 pm, charles wrote:
> In article <kfe2p9Fsmc0U2@mid.individual.net>, JNugent <jnugent@mail.com>
> wrote:
>> On 19/06/2023 10:00 pm, charles wrote:
>>> In article <kfb2j1FehrgU2@mid.individual.net>, JNugent
>>> <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 19/06/2023 12:46 pm, alan_m wrote:
>>>>> On 19/06/2023 11:42, Java Jive wrote:
>>>>>> On 19/06/2023 08:52, Roderick Stewart wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Electric cars are another example. They're expensive, they don't
>>>>>>> work as well as what we already have, and they won't save the world
>>>>>>> either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They seem to work for a lot of people.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes electric cars do work well for a lot of people but for cost or
>>>>> for, say, range considerations don't work well for many others.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have your own driveway then parking and charging at home is no
>>>>> problem.
>>>
>>>> Even so, it won't work if you have relatives who live three hundred
>>>> miles away!
>>>
>>> last week I drove 450 miles each way to/from Scotland with a 120 each
>>> way journey while there. No problem.
>
>> You car will do 450 miles without a recharge?
>
> no I had 2 charge stops.

Ah...

> But, I wouldn't drive for that length of journey
> without stops for personal recharging.

But most people would see that as a decided *disadvantage*, not
something to be celebrated.

> I decided 2 years ago, when I had a
> diesel, that 420 miles was too much for one day.

For some, it might be. The answer is an overnight stop, not a series of
long unproductive gaps in the journey.

On 20/06/2023 05:08 pm, charles wrote:
>
> In article <kfe35tFsmc0U5@mid.individual.net>, JNugent <jnugent@mail.com>
> wrote:
>> On 20/06/2023 04:03 pm, Java Jive wrote:
>
>>> On 20/06/2023 11:46, Vir Campestris wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-11891229/Rising-number-electric-cars-minor-battery-damage-written-off.html>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tx, but really it should have been there in the first place, saving me
>>> requesting it and you looking it up.
>>>
>>> Reading it, there are clearly some valid issues raised, but they are by
>>> no means unique to EVs, [ ... ]
>
>> Lengthy enforced stops to recharge batteries certainly ARE "unique to
>> EVs".
>
> By the time I've been to the loo, ordered coffee and drunk it, and walked
> back to the car, the car has charged. My phone app tells me.

Making a virtue of a necessity.

Remove that necessity and there's no need to make a virtue out of it.
You can choose your own journey length rather than having it dictated to
you.

In article <kfefnvF30gU5@mid.individual.net>, JNugent <jnugent@mail.com>
wrote:
> On 20/06/2023 05:08 pm, charles wrote:
> > In article <kfe2v6Fsmc0U4@mid.individual.net>, JNugent
> > <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
> >> On 20/06/2023 11:00 am, charles wrote:
> >>> In article <5ab760f14dbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>, Bob Latham
> >>> <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> >>>> In article <5ab729abe9charles@candehope.me.uk>, charles
> >>>> <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> last week I drove 450 miles each way to/from Scotland with a 120
> >>>>> each way journey while there. No problem.
> >>>
> >>>> In what sort of vehicle?
> >>>
> >>> All electric Skoda Enyaq
> >>>
> >>>> If electric, can you also tell us the details of the battery
> >>>> charging you needed to do to achieve this.
> >>>
> >>> Set off from home (home charger), first recharge at Stafford (lunch
> >>> stop). second recharge Burton in Kendal (tea break). Overnight.
> >>> recharge at Hamilton (coffee break), final recharge at Perth (lunch
> >>> break).
> >
> >> That's called "making a virtue of necessity", I think.
> >
> >> OK, we all have to eat, but I for one *hate* having to make repeated
> >> stops during a car journey.
> >
> > I reckon 3 hours max between stops for me.

> Mine are further apart then that. An electric car that won't get you as
> far you want to go *without* stops which would be be unnecessary in a
> normal car is literally useless.

To you, maybe, but not to me. And to me, stops every 2 or 3 hours are
necessary. Yes, when I was younger, I drove much longer distances between
stops.

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In article <kfefr8F30gU6@mid.individual.net>, JNugent <jnugent@mail.com>
wrote:
> On 20/06/2023 05:08 pm, charles wrote:
> > In article <kfe2p9Fsmc0U2@mid.individual.net>, JNugent
> > <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
> >> On 19/06/2023 10:00 pm, charles wrote:
> >>> In article <kfb2j1FehrgU2@mid.individual.net>, JNugent
> >>> <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 19/06/2023 12:46 pm, alan_m wrote:
> >>>>> On 19/06/2023 11:42, Java Jive wrote:
> >>>>>> On 19/06/2023 08:52, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Electric cars are another example. They're expensive, they don't
> >>>>>>> work as well as what we already have, and they won't save the
> >>>>>>> world either.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> They seem to work for a lot of people.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yes electric cars do work well for a lot of people but for cost or
> >>>>> for, say, range considerations don't work well for many others.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you have your own driveway then parking and charging at home is
> >>>>> no problem.
> >>>
> >>>> Even so, it won't work if you have relatives who live three hundred
> >>>> miles away!
> >>>
> >>> last week I drove 450 miles each way to/from Scotland with a 120 each
> >>> way journey while there. No problem.
> >
> >> You car will do 450 miles without a recharge?
> >
> > no I had 2 charge stops.

> Ah...

> > But, I wouldn't drive for that length of journey without stops for
> > personal recharging.

> But most people would see that as a decided *disadvantage*, not
> something to be celebrated.

> > I decided 2 years ago, when I had a diesel, that 420 miles was too much
> > for one day.

> For some, it might be. The answer is an overnight stop, not a series of
> long unproductive gaps in the journey.

They aren't long and the stops are not "unproductive. I get refreshed.

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On 20/06/2023 09:00 pm, charles wrote:
> In article <kfefr8F30gU6@mid.individual.net>, JNugent <jnugent@mail.com>
> wrote:
>> On 20/06/2023 05:08 pm, charles wrote:
>>> In article <kfe2p9Fsmc0U2@mid.individual.net>, JNugent
>>> <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 19/06/2023 10:00 pm, charles wrote:
>>>>> In article <kfb2j1FehrgU2@mid.individual.net>, JNugent
>>>>> <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 19/06/2023 12:46 pm, alan_m wrote:
>>>>>>> On 19/06/2023 11:42, Java Jive wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 19/06/2023 08:52, Roderick Stewart wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Electric cars are another example. They're expensive, they don't
>>>>>>>>> work as well as what we already have, and they won't save the
>>>>>>>>> world either.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They seem to work for a lot of people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes electric cars do work well for a lot of people but for cost or
>>>>>>> for, say, range considerations don't work well for many others.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you have your own driveway then parking and charging at home is
>>>>>>> no problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Even so, it won't work if you have relatives who live three hundred
>>>>>> miles away!
>>>>>
>>>>> last week I drove 450 miles each way to/from Scotland with a 120 each
>>>>> way journey while there. No problem.
>>>
>>>> You car will do 450 miles without a recharge?
>>>
>>> no I had 2 charge stops.
>
>> Ah...
>
>>> But, I wouldn't drive for that length of journey without stops for
>>> personal recharging.
>
>> But most people would see that as a decided *disadvantage*, not
>> something to be celebrated.
>
>>> I decided 2 years ago, when I had a diesel, that 420 miles was too much
>>> for one day.
>
>> For some, it might be. The answer is an overnight stop, not a series of
>> long unproductive gaps in the journey.
>
> They aren't long and the stops are not "unproductive. I get refreshed.

How fortunate that your physical constitution chimes so neatly with the
poor mileage performance of the vehicle. :-)

On 20/06/2023 09:00 pm, charles wrote:
> In article <kfefnvF30gU5@mid.individual.net>, JNugent <jnugent@mail.com>
> wrote:
>> On 20/06/2023 05:08 pm, charles wrote:
>>> In article <kfe2v6Fsmc0U4@mid.individual.net>, JNugent
>>> <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 20/06/2023 11:00 am, charles wrote:
>>>>> In article <5ab760f14dbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>, Bob Latham
>>>>> <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> In article <5ab729abe9charles@candehope.me.uk>, charles
>>>>>> <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> last week I drove 450 miles each way to/from Scotland with a 120
>>>>>>> each way journey while there. No problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>> In what sort of vehicle?
>>>>>
>>>>> All electric Skoda Enyaq
>>>>>
>>>>>> If electric, can you also tell us the details of the battery
>>>>>> charging you needed to do to achieve this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Set off from home (home charger), first recharge at Stafford (lunch
>>>>> stop). second recharge Burton in Kendal (tea break). Overnight.
>>>>> recharge at Hamilton (coffee break), final recharge at Perth (lunch
>>>>> break).
>>>
>>>> That's called "making a virtue of necessity", I think.
>>>
>>>> OK, we all have to eat, but I for one *hate* having to make repeated
>>>> stops during a car journey.
>>>
>>> I reckon 3 hours max between stops for me.
>
>> Mine are further apart then that. An electric car that won't get you as
>> far you want to go *without* stops which would be be unnecessary in a
>> normal car is literally useless.
>
> To you, maybe, but not to me. And to me, stops every 2 or 3 hours are
> necessary. Yes, when I was younger, I drove much longer distances between
> stops.

I think you underestimate my age.

On 20/06/2023 22:00, charles wrote:
> To you, maybe, but not to me. And to me, stops every 2 or 3 hours are
> necessary. Yes, when I was younger, I drove much longer distances between
> stops.

I probably do not drive as far without stopping as I might have done in
the past but I want to chose myself when I need to stop.

THe other factor if you plan ahead where to stop but find the chargers
are all in use, fortunately with the low number of battery cars it
should not happen often.

In article <u6t8cp$2i89g$1@dont-email.me>,
MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 20/06/2023 22:00, charles wrote:
> > To you, maybe, but not to me. And to me, stops every 2 or 3 hours are
> > necessary. Yes, when I was younger, I drove much longer distances
> > between stops.

> I probably do not drive as far without stopping as I might have done in
> the past but I want to chose myself when I need to stop.

> THe other factor if you plan ahead where to stop but find the chargers
> are all in use, fortunately with the low number of battery cars it
> should not happen often.

This has happend to me once, but I have an app on my phone, so I know where
else I could go.

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In article <kfeivaFjhsU3@mid.individual.net>, JNugent <jnugent@mail.com>
wrote:
> On 20/06/2023 09:00 pm, charles wrote:
> > In article <kfefnvF30gU5@mid.individual.net>, JNugent
> > <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
> >> On 20/06/2023 05:08 pm, charles wrote:
> >>> In article <kfe2v6Fsmc0U4@mid.individual.net>, JNugent
> >>> <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 20/06/2023 11:00 am, charles wrote:
> >>>>> In article <5ab760f14dbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>, Bob Latham
> >>>>> <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> >>>>>> In article <5ab729abe9charles@candehope.me.uk>, charles
> >>>>>> <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> last week I drove 450 miles each way to/from Scotland with a 120
> >>>>>>> each way journey while there. No problem.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> In what sort of vehicle?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> All electric Skoda Enyaq
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> If electric, can you also tell us the details of the battery
> >>>>>> charging you needed to do to achieve this.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Set off from home (home charger), first recharge at Stafford (lunch
> >>>>> stop). second recharge Burton in Kendal (tea break). Overnight.
> >>>>> recharge at Hamilton (coffee break), final recharge at Perth (lunch
> >>>>> break).
> >>>
> >>>> That's called "making a virtue of necessity", I think.
> >>>
> >>>> OK, we all have to eat, but I for one *hate* having to make repeated
> >>>> stops during a car journey.
> >>>
> >>> I reckon 3 hours max between stops for me.
> >
> >> Mine are further apart then that. An electric car that won't get you
> >> as far you want to go *without* stops which would be be unnecessary in
> >> a normal car is literally useless.
> >
> > To you, maybe, but not to me. And to me, stops every 2 or 3 hours are
> > necessary. Yes, when I was younger, I drove much longer distances
> > between stops.

> I think you underestimate my age.

I'm 83 -- and you?

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On 21/06/2023 08:00 am, charles wrote:

> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>> On 20/06/2023 22:00, charles wrote:

>>> To you, maybe, but not to me. And to me, stops every 2 or 3 hours are
>>> necessary. Yes, when I was younger, I drove much longer distances
>>> between stops.
>
>> I probably do not drive as far without stopping as I might have done in
>> the past but I want to chose myself when I need to stop.

>> THe other factor if you plan ahead where to stop but find the chargers
>> are all in use, fortunately with the low number of battery cars it
>> should not happen often.

> This has happend to me once, but I have an app on my phone, so I know where
> else I could go.

And if the nearest available and working charging point is a hundred
miles in front of you and you have twenty miles worth of charge, what then?

Go back the other way, perhaps (if there's one available in that
direction within twenty miles, I mean)?

[It happened to me in North Texas once. The Sat Nav was telling me that
the next fuel was 75 miles in front of me. I had less than a gallon in
the tank. I had to decide whether to turn back or to travel onward in
hope. I travelled onward and found an old-fashioned General Store in a
place called "Guthrie". It had a petrol pump round the back. It even
took American Express.]

In article <kfg4qtF7uv6U1@mid.individual.net>, JNugent <jnugent@mail.com>
wrote:
> On 21/06/2023 08:00 am, charles wrote:

> > MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> >> On 20/06/2023 22:00, charles wrote:

> >>> To you, maybe, but not to me. And to me, stops every 2 or 3 hours
> >>> are necessary. Yes, when I was younger, I drove much longer
> >>> distances between stops.
> >
> >> I probably do not drive as far without stopping as I might have done
> >> in the past but I want to chose myself when I need to stop.

> >> THe other factor if you plan ahead where to stop but find the chargers
> >> are all in use, fortunately with the low number of battery cars it
> >> should not happen often.

> > This has happend to me once, but I have an app on my phone, so I know
> > where else I could go.

> And if the nearest available and working charging point is a hundred
> miles in front of you and you have twenty miles worth of charge, what
> then?

Don't plan recharging at the last moment.

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On 21/06/2023 02:00 pm, charles wrote:
> In article <kfg4qtF7uv6U1@mid.individual.net>, JNugent <jnugent@mail.com>
> wrote:
>> On 21/06/2023 08:00 am, charles wrote:
>
>>> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>> On 20/06/2023 22:00, charles wrote:
>
>>>>> To you, maybe, but not to me. And to me, stops every 2 or 3 hours
>>>>> are necessary. Yes, when I was younger, I drove much longer
>>>>> distances between stops.
>>>
>>>> I probably do not drive as far without stopping as I might have done
>>>> in the past but I want to chose myself when I need to stop.
>
>>>> THe other factor if you plan ahead where to stop but find the chargers
>>>> are all in use, fortunately with the low number of battery cars it
>>>> should not happen often.
>
>>> This has happend to me once, but I have an app on my phone, so I know
>>> where else I could go.
>
>> And if the nearest available and working charging point is a hundred
>> miles in front of you and you have twenty miles worth of charge, what
>> then?
>
> Don't plan recharging at the last moment.

I can see the force of that imperative.

But it simply doesn't exist with a proper car which uses proper,
easily-available, quickly-dispensed fuel.

Surely you can admit that?

In article <kfgeskF9dotU1@mid.individual.net>,
JNugent <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
> On 21/06/2023 02:00 pm, charles wrote:
> > In article <kfg4qtF7uv6U1@mid.individual.net>, JNugent <jnugent@mail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> On 21/06/2023 08:00 am, charles wrote:
> >
> >>> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> >>>> On 20/06/2023 22:00, charles wrote:
> >
> >>>>> To you, maybe, but not to me. And to me, stops every 2 or 3 hours
> >>>>> are necessary. Yes, when I was younger, I drove much longer
> >>>>> distances between stops.
> >>>
> >>>> I probably do not drive as far without stopping as I might have done
> >>>> in the past but I want to chose myself when I need to stop.
> >
> >>>> THe other factor if you plan ahead where to stop but find the chargers
> >>>> are all in use, fortunately with the low number of battery cars it
> >>>> should not happen often.
> >
> >>> This has happend to me once, but I have an app on my phone, so I know
> >>> where else I could go.
> >
> >> And if the nearest available and working charging point is a hundred
> >> miles in front of you and you have twenty miles worth of charge, what
> >> then?
> >
> > Don't plan recharging at the last moment.

> I can see the force of that imperative.

> But it simply doesn't exist with a proper car which uses proper,
> easily-available, quickly-dispensed fuel.

> Surely you can admit that?

I admit there are changes to long term habits, but I don't polute the local
environment with exhaust gases.

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On 21/06/2023 03:45 pm, charles wrote:

> JNugent <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
>> On 21/06/2023 02:00 pm, charles wrote:
>>> JNugent <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 21/06/2023 08:00 am, charles wrote:
>>>>> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 20/06/2023 22:00, charles wrote:
>
>>>>>>> To you, maybe, but not to me. And to me, stops every 2 or 3 hours
>>>>>>> are necessary. Yes, when I was younger, I drove much longer
>>>>>>> distances between stops.
>
>>>>>> I probably do not drive as far without stopping as I might have done
>>>>>> in the past but I want to chose myself when I need to stop.
>
>>>>>> THe other factor if you plan ahead where to stop but find the chargers
>>>>>> are all in use, fortunately with the low number of battery cars it
>>>>>> should not happen often.
>
>>>>> This has happend to me once, but I have an app on my phone, so I know
>>>>> where else I could go.
>
>>>> And if the nearest available and working charging point is a hundred
>>>> miles in front of you and you have twenty miles worth of charge, what
>>>> then?
>
>>> Don't plan recharging at the last moment.
>
>> I can see the force of that imperative.
>> But it simply doesn't exist with a proper car which uses proper,
>> easily-available, quickly-dispensed fuel.
>> Surely you can admit that?
>
> I admit there are changes to long term habits, but I don't polute the local
> environment with exhaust gases.

That's a sad response.

Your exhaust gases, of course, are emitted in the general direction of
people who live near the power stations which provide your charging
current. People who, by and large, have done you no home, while you
don't mind harming them.

That is NOT "better".

On Wed, 21 Jun 2023 15:13:42 +0100, JNugent <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:

>>> And if the nearest available and working charging point is a hundred
>>> miles in front of you and you have twenty miles worth of charge, what
>>> then?
>>
>> Don't plan recharging at the last moment.
>
>I can see the force of that imperative.
>
>But it simply doesn't exist with a proper car which uses proper,
>easily-available, quickly-dispensed fuel.
>
>Surely you can admit that?

And in the worst case if you completely run out of fuel, it's possible
for another vehicle to bring you some in a can. I don't see a way of
doing anything equivalent to that with an electric vehicle that has a
fixed built-in battery, as they all seem to have.

Maybe one day somebody will invent the concept of standardised
swappable externally rechargeable battery packs for electric cars and
try to tell us they've invented something new.

Rod.

On 21/06/2023 05:04 pm, JNugent wrote:
> On 21/06/2023 03:45 pm, charles wrote:
>
>>     JNugent <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
>>> On 21/06/2023 02:00 pm, charles wrote:
>>>> JNugent <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 21/06/2023 08:00 am, charles wrote:
>>>>>>       MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 20/06/2023 22:00, charles wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> To you, maybe, but not to me.  And to me, stops every 2 or 3 hours
>>>>>>>> are necessary.  Yes, when I was younger, I drove much longer
>>>>>>>> distances between stops.
>>
>>>>>>> I probably do not drive as far without stopping as I might have done
>>>>>>> in the past but I want to chose myself when I need to stop.
>>
>>>>>>> THe other factor if you plan ahead where to stop but find the
>>>>>>> chargers
>>>>>>> are all in use, fortunately with the low number of battery cars it
>>>>>>> should not happen often.
>>
>>>>>> This has happend to me once, but I have an app on my phone, so I know
>>>>>> where else I could go.
>>
>>>>> And if the nearest available and working charging point is a hundred
>>>>> miles in front of you and you have twenty miles worth of charge, what
>>>>> then?
>>
>>>> Don't plan recharging at the last moment.
>>
>>> I can see the force of that imperative.
>>> But it simply doesn't exist with a proper car which uses proper,
>>> easily-available, quickly-dispensed fuel.
>>> Surely you can admit that?
>>
>> I admit there are changes to long term habits, but I don't polute the
>> local
>> environment with exhaust gases.
>
> That's a sad response.
>
> Your exhaust gases, of course, are emitted in the general direction of
> people who live near the power stations which provide your charging
> current. People who, by and large, have done you no home, while you
> don't mind harming them.
>
> That is NOT "better".

ERRATUM:

"People who, by and large, have done you no HARM, while you don't mind
harming them."

On 21/06/2023 16:45, charles wrote:
> I admit there are changes to long term habits, but I don't polute the local
> environment with exhaust gases.

Reports say that air quality has improved a lot in recent years because
of improvements in engine design.

In article <u6v8bj$2utm2$1@dont-email.me>,
MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 21/06/2023 16:45, charles wrote:
> > I admit there are changes to long term habits, but I don't polute the
> > local environment with exhaust gases.

> Reports say that air quality has improved a lot in recent years because
> of improvements in engine design.

I'm sure that's true, my 2015 diesel was allowed in the London ULEZ, it's
predecessor (same make) was not.

--
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In article <kfglcsFac8nU5@mid.individual.net>, JNugent <jnugent@mail.com>
wrote:
> On 21/06/2023 03:45 pm, charles wrote:

> > JNugent <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
> >> On 21/06/2023 02:00 pm, charles wrote:
> >>> JNugent <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 21/06/2023 08:00 am, charles wrote:
> >>>>> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 20/06/2023 22:00, charles wrote:
> >
> >>>>>>> To you, maybe, but not to me. And to me, stops every 2 or 3
> >>>>>>> hours are necessary. Yes, when I was younger, I drove much
> >>>>>>> longer distances between stops.
> >
> >>>>>> I probably do not drive as far without stopping as I might have
> >>>>>> done in the past but I want to chose myself when I need to stop.
> >
> >>>>>> THe other factor if you plan ahead where to stop but find the
> >>>>>> chargers are all in use, fortunately with the low number of
> >>>>>> battery cars it should not happen often.
> >
> >>>>> This has happend to me once, but I have an app on my phone, so I
> >>>>> know where else I could go.
> >
> >>>> And if the nearest available and working charging point is a hundred
> >>>> miles in front of you and you have twenty miles worth of charge,
> >>>> what then?
> >
> >>> Don't plan recharging at the last moment.
> >
> >> I can see the force of that imperative. But it simply doesn't exist
> >> with a proper car which uses proper, easily-available,
> >> quickly-dispensed fuel. Surely you can admit that?
> >
> > I admit there are changes to long term habits, but I don't polute the
> > local environment with exhaust gases.

> That's a sad response.

> Your exhaust gases, of course, are emitted in the general direction of
> people who live near the power stations which provide your charging
> current. People who, by and large, have done you no home, while you
> don't mind harming them.

> That is NOT "better".

It is because vehicle exhausts are emitted virtually at ground level
whereas generating sites have very tall chimneys and, not all generating
sites create exhaust fumes anyway.

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