On Mon, 01 Apr 2024 16:09:32 GMT, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 01/04/2024 16:40, JMB99 wrote:
>>> On 01/04/2024 16:38, JMB99 wrote:
>>>>> Only two?  I have a friend who used to be in the theatre business in
>>>>> Scotland and complained that both BBC and ITV had moved casting for
>>>>> Scottish-made programmes to London.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps more Scottish actors living there than in Edinburgh?
>>>
>>>
>>> Though many seem to live in the USA (*) so perhaps they should do the
>>> recruiting from there.
>>>
>>>
>>> (*) Usually the Nationalists who make most noise.
>>
>> Leave Mr Connery put of this.
>
>I don't think he lived in the US. But some other prominent SNP-supporting
>actors do.
>
He currently resides in Scotland but not all in one place.

On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 11:39:30 +0100, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

>On 01/04/2024 09:34, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>> >>Anyway, it floated to the bank and eventually, about a day later,
>> >>someone unknown fished(sic) it out and put it on the grass verge. It
>> >>then took around three days for a suitably qualified person to come
>> >>and collect it. (I know all this, because I'd called the people
>> >>responsible the first day).
>
>>Reminds me of a story I was told years ago about a body that was found
>in a lodge near where I lived. The boundary between two police forces
>ran through through the middle of the lodge so it was given a push so it
>floated into the other force's area. I think it happened several times
>before one of them decided to take responsibility for recording it.
>
See also drunks being "helped" over London Bridge until they are sober
enough to walk home.

In message <uuekju$2idjr$7@dont-email.me>, at 16:41:50 on Mon, 1 Apr
2024, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>On 01/04/2024 16:33, Roland Perry wrote:
>> In message <uuehbh$2hs7p$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:46:09 on Mon, 1 Apr
>>2024, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <uua1ia$186i3$1@dont-email.me>, at 21:52:10 on Sat, 30 Mar
>>>> 2024, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Just FYI - the BBC is national.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought it was in Birmingham…
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought it was Salford?
>>>>
>>>> BBC News (which is more like a magazine programme recently) is broadcast
>>>> from two studios - one in Salford Quays and the other on the lower
>>>> ground floor of Broadcasting House.
>>>
>>> Only two?  I have a friend who used to be in the theatre business in
>>> Scotland and complained that both BBC and ITV had moved casting for
>>> Scottish-made programmes to London.

>> I'm unsighted as to whether the main BBC news for Scotland is
>>presented from a third studio, by different people to the
>>England/Wales programme, etc.

>> But I feel it's unlikely. However, you live there, and could let us
>>know.
>
>IIRC BBC Scotland news comes from Glasgow.

That's not the main BBC news.
--
Roland Perry

In message <uuekli$2ii4r$4@dont-email.me>, at 16:42:42 on Mon, 1 Apr
2024, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> remarked:
>On 01/04/2024 16:33, Roland Perry wrote:
>> I'm unsighted as to whether the main BBC news for Scotland is
>>presented from a third studio, by different people to the
>>England/Wales programme, etc.

>> But I feel it's unlikely. However, you live there, and could let us
>>know.
>
>BBC Scotland have a big studio centre - Pacific Quays.
>
>They make some stuff for network there.

But do they have a separate main BBC news?
--
Roland Perry

In message <uuehfm$2hsst$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:48:22 on Mon, 1 Apr
2024, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 10:28:56 +0100
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>In message <uudrjh$2ct8a$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:34:57 on Mon, 1 Apr
>>2024, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>>>On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 16:08:22 +0000
>>>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>In message <uu8pb9$uhj1$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:25:45 on Sat, 30 Mar
>>>>2024, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>>
>>>>>I wasn't actually talking or even thinking about foxes at all. Talk about
>>>>>moving the goalposts, you dug them up and took them to a different pitch.
>>>>
>>>> >>Anyway, it floated to the bank and eventually, about a day later,
>>>> >>someone unknown fished(sic) it out and put it on the grass verge. It
>>>> >>then took around three days for a suitably qualified person to come
>>>> >>and collect it. (I know all this, because I'd called the people
>>>> >>responsible the first day).
>>>> >
>>>> >You must have fussy foxes where you live. It would be gone here
>>>> >within a few hours.
>>>>
>>>>I'm completely and utterly baffled why you should insist on scoring such
>>>>a spectacular own goal.
>>>
>>>Apparently in your oncoming senility you seemed to have forgotten
>>>that threads
>>
>>>move on to other topics. Or did you still assume we were also talking about
>>>the C5 tube program as per the subject line?
>>
>>I know we are still talking about the episode with the pike removed from
>>the river. But you are wriggling and squirming to little effect to try
>>to distract us from that.
>
>Well you might be but I moved on about 5 posts ago. Your observational
>abilities seem to be failing you.

While we had a diversion into discussing your misunderstanding of the
term "vibrant", the whole subthread is exploring your contention that a
pike on the vibrant riverside would be promptly eaten by a fox.
--
Roland Perry

On 02/04/2024 02:33, Charles Ellson wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Apr 2024 16:09:31 GMT, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
>>> On 01/04/2024 16:33, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm unsighted as to whether the main BBC news for Scotland is presented
>>>> from a third studio, by different people to the England/Wales programme,
>>>> etc.
>>>>
>>>> But I feel it's unlikely. However, you live there, and could let us know.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> BBC Scotland have a big studio centre - Pacific Quays.
>>>
>>> They make some stuff for network there.
>>
>> Yes, such as the Scam Busters series. There's no particular reason it
>> should be produced there (the presenters aren't Scottish, the scammers are
>> in India, and the victims could be anywhere, including the US), but they
>> show off the building a lot.
>>
> It is called not putting all your eggs in one basket.

No, its called giving in to political pressure to break up the BBC.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <uuekli$2ii4r$4@dont-email.me>, at 16:42:42 on Mon, 1 Apr
> 2024, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> remarked:
>> On 01/04/2024 16:33, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> I'm unsighted as to whether the main BBC news for Scotland is
>>> presented from a third studio, by different people to the
>>> England/Wales programme, etc.
>
>>> But I feel it's unlikely. However, you live there, and could let us
>>> know.
>>
>> BBC Scotland have a big studio centre - Pacific Quays.
>>
>> They make some stuff for network there.
>
> But do they have a separate main BBC news?

Yes and no. On BBC One the main news programmes follow England. At 1830 BBC
One Scotland has a national half hour programme where England has regional.

There is however the BBC Scotland channel. That currently has a one hour
news programme at 2100. It apparently has dire viewing figures and is going
to be replaced with a 1900 half hour news broadcast.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68346649

On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 06:22:27 +0100
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>In message <uuehfm$2hsst$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:48:22 on Mon, 1 Apr
>2024, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>>Well you might be but I moved on about 5 posts ago. Your observational
>>abilities seem to be failing you.
>
>While we had a diversion into discussing your misunderstanding of the
>term "vibrant", the whole subthread is exploring your contention that a
>pike on the vibrant riverside would be promptly eaten by a fox.

Whats a vibrant riverside? One where Ratty and Badger come out the closet
as a couple and Toad turns out to be neurodiverse?

In message <uugcdg$32ut1$1@dont-email.me>, at 07:34:08 on Tue, 2 Apr
2024, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <uuekli$2ii4r$4@dont-email.me>, at 16:42:42 on Mon, 1 Apr
>> 2024, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> remarked:
>>> On 01/04/2024 16:33, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>> I'm unsighted as to whether the main BBC news for Scotland is
>>>> presented from a third studio, by different people to the
>>>> England/Wales programme, etc.
>>
>>>> But I feel it's unlikely. However, you live there, and could let us
>>>> know.
>>>
>>> BBC Scotland have a big studio centre - Pacific Quays.
>>>
>>> They make some stuff for network there.
>>
>> But do they have a separate main BBC news?
>
>Yes and no. On BBC One the main news programmes follow England. At 1830 BBC
>One Scotland has a national half hour programme where England has regional.
>
>There is however the BBC Scotland channel. That currently has a one hour
>news programme at 2100. It apparently has dire viewing figures and is going
>to be replaced with a 1900 half hour news broadcast.
>
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68346649

Much more like a one-hour local news programme, than a parallel 24x7
version of channel 231 (and Freesat equivalent).
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <uugcdg$32ut1$1@dont-email.me>, at 07:34:08 on Tue, 2 Apr
> 2024, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <uuekli$2ii4r$4@dont-email.me>, at 16:42:42 on Mon, 1 Apr
>>> 2024, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> remarked:
>>>> On 01/04/2024 16:33, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>> I'm unsighted as to whether the main BBC news for Scotland is
>>>>> presented from a third studio, by different people to the
>>>>> England/Wales programme, etc.
>>>
>>>>> But I feel it's unlikely. However, you live there, and could let us
>>>>> know.
>>>>
>>>> BBC Scotland have a big studio centre - Pacific Quays.
>>>>
>>>> They make some stuff for network there.
>>>
>>> But do they have a separate main BBC news?
>>
>> Yes and no. On BBC One the main news programmes follow England. At 1830 BBC
>> One Scotland has a national half hour programme where England has regional.
>>
>> There is however the BBC Scotland channel. That currently has a one hour
>> news programme at 2100. It apparently has dire viewing figures and is going
>> to be replaced with a 1900 half hour news broadcast.
>>
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68346649
>
> Much more like a one-hour local news programme, than a parallel 24x7
> version of channel 231 (and Freesat equivalent).

To call a one hour news broadcast to the whole of Scotland a local news
programme is a bit wide of the mark. I’m surprised that the non central
belt inhabitants don’t get annoyed about the lack of local coverage for
their areas. I found it odd being in Lerwick watching the 1830 news that
was dominated by the central belt.

On 02/04/2024 09:17, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 06:22:27 +0100
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <uuehfm$2hsst$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:48:22 on Mon, 1 Apr
>> 2024, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>>> Well you might be but I moved on about 5 posts ago. Your observational
>>> abilities seem to be failing you.
>>
>> While we had a diversion into discussing your misunderstanding of the
>> term "vibrant", the whole subthread is exploring your contention that a
>> pike on the vibrant riverside would be promptly eaten by a fox.
>
> Whats a vibrant riverside? One where Ratty and Badger come out the closet
> as a couple and Toad turns out to be neurodiverse?
>

He's certainly got ADHD.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <uuekju$2idjr$7@dont-email.me>, at 16:41:50 on Mon, 1 Apr
> 2024, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>> On 01/04/2024 16:33, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> In message <uuehbh$2hs7p$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:46:09 on Mon, 1 Apr
>>> 2024, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <uua1ia$186i3$1@dont-email.me>, at 21:52:10 on Sat, 30 Mar
>>>>> 2024, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just FYI - the BBC is national.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I thought it was in Birmingham…
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought it was Salford?
>>>>>
>>>>> BBC News (which is more like a magazine programme recently) is broadcast
>>>>> from two studios - one in Salford Quays and the other on the lower
>>>>> ground floor of Broadcasting House.
>>>>
>>>> Only two?  I have a friend who used to be in the theatre business in
>>>> Scotland and complained that both BBC and ITV had moved casting for
>>>> Scottish-made programmes to London.
>
>>> I'm unsighted as to whether the main BBC news for Scotland is
>>> presented from a third studio, by different people to the
>>> England/Wales programme, etc.
>
>>> But I feel it's unlikely. However, you live there, and could let us
>>> know.
>>
>> IIRC BBC Scotland news comes from Glasgow.
>
> That's not the main BBC news.

The Ten is the same all over the UK. As in other regions, there are local
news bulletins in Scotland, presented locally and featuring news about the
region. National programmes are also sometimes broadcast from Glasgow (eg,
Newsnight). There also was a little-watched Nine in Scotland, which was
done to pander to St Nicola.

https://www.agcc.co.uk/news-article/bbc-scotland-to-scrap-news-programme-the-nine

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <uuekli$2ii4r$4@dont-email.me>, at 16:42:42 on Mon, 1 Apr
> 2024, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> remarked:
>> On 01/04/2024 16:33, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> I'm unsighted as to whether the main BBC news for Scotland is
>>> presented from a third studio, by different people to the
>>> England/Wales programme, etc.
>
>>> But I feel it's unlikely. However, you live there, and could let us
>>> know.
>>
>> BBC Scotland have a big studio centre - Pacific Quays.
>>
>> They make some stuff for network there.
>
> But do they have a separate main BBC news?

No

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <uugcdg$32ut1$1@dont-email.me>, at 07:34:08 on Tue, 2 Apr
> 2024, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <uuekli$2ii4r$4@dont-email.me>, at 16:42:42 on Mon, 1 Apr
>>> 2024, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> remarked:
>>>> On 01/04/2024 16:33, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>> I'm unsighted as to whether the main BBC news for Scotland is
>>>>> presented from a third studio, by different people to the
>>>>> England/Wales programme, etc.
>>>
>>>>> But I feel it's unlikely. However, you live there, and could let us
>>>>> know.
>>>>
>>>> BBC Scotland have a big studio centre - Pacific Quays.
>>>>
>>>> They make some stuff for network there.
>>>
>>> But do they have a separate main BBC news?
>>
>> Yes and no. On BBC One the main news programmes follow England. At 1830 BBC
>> One Scotland has a national half hour programme where England has regional.
>>
>> There is however the BBC Scotland channel. That currently has a one hour
>> news programme at 2100. It apparently has dire viewing figures and is going
>> to be replaced with a 1900 half hour news broadcast.
>>
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68346649
>
> Much more like a one-hour local news programme, than a parallel 24x7
> version of channel 231 (and Freesat equivalent).

No, it was a world news programme, 'presented from a Scottish perspective'.

On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 16:42:40 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson wrote:

> Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
>> On 21/03/2024 17:33, Sam Wilson wrote:
>>> He also lived near several blocks of woodland which might have been
>>> regarded as thickets or even full blown woods, and was very near to
>>> this: <https://www.elyeventing.co.uk> and says horse riding was very
>>> popular.
>>
>> Does that explain why the foxes have been hunted almost to extinction?
>
> Obviously not quite to extinction. I can’t say anything about the
> historic numbers of foxes, just that there have been foxes in the
> countryside in recent years.

Interestingly (to me at least,) I don't think I've ever seen
/vulpes vulpes/* in Romania - although they do exist of course. It's
possible that because they still have natural predators (wolves, lynx and
bears) their numbers are kept in sufficient balance with natural food
availability that they don't need to spill over into the urban
environment.

Are there any natural predators of foxes left in the UK? Avian, maybe?

* I do know one young lady whose surname of Vulpe is decidedly apt, but
I'm assuming that doesn't count.

Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 16:42:40 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson wrote:
>
>> Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
>>> On 21/03/2024 17:33, Sam Wilson wrote:
>>>> He also lived near several blocks of woodland which might have been
>>>> regarded as thickets or even full blown woods, and was very near to
>>>> this: <https://www.elyeventing.co.uk> and says horse riding was very
>>>> popular.
>>>
>>> Does that explain why the foxes have been hunted almost to extinction?
>>
>> Obviously not quite to extinction. I can’t say anything about the
>> historic numbers of foxes, just that there have been foxes in the
>> countryside in recent years.
>
> Interestingly (to me at least,) I don't think I've ever seen
> /vulpes vulpes/* in Romania - although they do exist of course. It's
> possible that because they still have natural predators (wolves, lynx and
> bears) their numbers are kept in sufficient balance with natural food
> availability that they don't need to spill over into the urban
> environment.
>
> Are there any natural predators of foxes left in the UK? Avian, maybe?

Vehicles are probably the main urban fox killers.

On 02/04/2024 11:00, Clank wrote:
> Are there any natural predators of foxes left in the UK? Avian, maybe?

The Duke of Beaufort?
--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On 01/04/2024 17:01, Graeme Wall wrote:
>
> Leave Mr Connery put of this.

There are some current ones who regularly parade how Scottish they are,
from various locations in the USA.

On 02/04/2024 06:16, Roland Perry wrote:
> But do they have a separate main BBC news?

If you talk to people from the SNP, they tend to call the 1830 local
news programme, the national news.

On 02/04/2024 08:34, Tweed wrote:
> Yes and no. On BBC One the main news programmes follow England. At 1830 BBC
> One Scotland has a national half hour programme where England has regional.

Very occasionally if there is a major local story then they extend the
local news to a full hour - perhaps might happen if the SNP every find
the missing £600(?) million.

On 02/04/2024 09:15, Roland Perry wrote:
> Much more like a one-hour local news programme, than a parallel 24x7
> version of channel 231 (and Freesat equivalent).

Never seen it but would not be surprised is mainly about football!

On 02/04/2024 09:37, Tweed wrote:
> To call a one hour news broadcast to the whole of Scotland a local news
> programme is a bit wide of the mark. I’m surprised that the non central
> belt inhabitants don’t get annoyed about the lack of local coverage for
> their areas. I found it odd being in Lerwick watching the 1830 news that
> was dominated by the central belt.

It would be expensive going back to local news programmes for each area
- Shetland, Orkney, Inverness, Aberdeen, Dundee and gets complicated
because of the way the transmitter feeds are organised.

Do STV regionalise their programmes now, I got the impression just
Glasgow now though never seen their news programme.

On 02/04/2024 11:07, Recliner wrote:
> Vehicles are probably the main urban fox killers.

I don't remember ever seeing a live or dead fox around here, otters are
seen in the town so perhaps we have urban otters inside!

JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 02/04/2024 08:34, Tweed wrote:
>> Yes and no. On BBC One the main news programmes follow England. At 1830 BBC
>> One Scotland has a national half hour programme where England has regional.
>
>
>
> Very occasionally if there is a major local story then they extend the
> local news to a full hour - perhaps might happen if the SNP every find
> the missing £600(?) million.

£600k. The PS investigation has probably cost much more than the loss
they're investigating.

In message <uugg57$33pb4$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:37:59 on Tue, 2 Apr
2024, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <uugcdg$32ut1$1@dont-email.me>, at 07:34:08 on Tue, 2 Apr
>> 2024, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <uuekli$2ii4r$4@dont-email.me>, at 16:42:42 on Mon, 1 Apr
>>>> 2024, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> remarked:
>>>>> On 01/04/2024 16:33, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>> I'm unsighted as to whether the main BBC news for Scotland is
>>>>>> presented from a third studio, by different people to the
>>>>>> England/Wales programme, etc.
>>>>
>>>>>> But I feel it's unlikely. However, you live there, and could let us
>>>>>> know.
>>>>>
>>>>> BBC Scotland have a big studio centre - Pacific Quays.
>>>>>
>>>>> They make some stuff for network there.
>>>>
>>>> But do they have a separate main BBC news?
>>>
>>> Yes and no. On BBC One the main news programmes follow England. At 1830 BBC
>>> One Scotland has a national half hour programme where England has regional.
>>>
>>> There is however the BBC Scotland channel. That currently has a one hour
>>> news programme at 2100. It apparently has dire viewing figures and is going
>>> to be replaced with a 1900 half hour news broadcast.
>>>
>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68346649
>>
>> Much more like a one-hour local news programme, than a parallel 24x7
>> version of channel 231 (and Freesat equivalent).
>
>To call a one hour news broadcast to the whole of Scotland a local news
>programme is a bit wide of the mark.

But to call it a parallel 24x7 version of channel 231 (and Freesat
equivalent) would be even wider.

>I’m surprised that the non central belt inhabitants don’t get
>annoyed about the lack of local coverage for their areas. I found it
>odd being in Lerwick watching the 1830 news that was dominated by the
>central belt.

It's where almost everyone lives. Lifestyle choices have consequences.
--
Roland Perry