On 1/12/2024 7:01 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>> On 1/11/2024 12:42 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>>> Paul wrote:
>>>> On 1/10/2024 10:32 AM, RobnCA wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a test on the 780 Rob1 User Account with Solani.
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>> I see a post at 10:11, 10:18, and 10:32.
>>>> All with a Solani MID.
>>>>
>>>> Seems to be working.
>>>>
>>>>      Paul
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I deleted macrium so the pop-ups will stop.
>>>
>>>
>>> Could you please provide a link for macrium
>>> to download?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Robert
>>
>> I did send it.
>>
>> Here is the evidence of transmission.
>>
>> Copy the link out of here, and place in the URL bar.
>>
>> http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cunmbhd%241pnb9%241%40paganini.bofh.team%3E
>>
>>     Paul
>>
>>
>
>
> Your right, you did send it and I remember reading that section but
> my eyes must have been glazed over. I ran it and downloaded it and
> scanned for malware and virus's (hex8) then installed macrium V 7.3
> on the 780. After it installed it asked if I wanted to upgrade to V8.
> I wasn't sure so I clicked later. Usually, that's a yes,.. but I just wanted
> to check with you first.
>
>  https://postimg.cc/p97wxN2G
>
> Interesting about the PCI 3.0 ports on the 780 isn't it? It shows its there
> but doesn't work? I tried another USB with it to test it and nothing.
> I put the same USB in the 8500 and it detected it.
>
>
> Robert

Whether you use Macrium V8, would depend on whether you have a V8 Rescue CD.
I'm pretty happy here, to use Version 7 for the free full backups it offers.
I have the CD for that one.

*******

It still remains to be seen, whether the USB3 port on the Renesas is working.
The TreeView program can be left running, while you plug in the powered drive.

If you are using things like 2.5" WD Passport drives, maybe there is not
enough current coming from the card for that. But you have 3.5" drives
in a separately-powered external enclosure, and that should work without
any consideration for card power. Don't forget to connect the external
drive to its AC based power source.

Paul

Paul wrote:
> On 1/12/2024 7:01 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 1/11/2024 12:42 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>>>> Paul wrote:
>>>>> On 1/10/2024 10:32 AM, RobnCA wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a test on the 780 Rob1 User Account with Solani.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>
>>>>> I see a post at 10:11, 10:18, and 10:32.
>>>>> All with a Solani MID.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems to be working.
>>>>>
>>>>>      Paul
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I deleted macrium so the pop-ups will stop.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Could you please provide a link for macrium
>>>> to download?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> I did send it.
>>>
>>> Here is the evidence of transmission.
>>>
>>> Copy the link out of here, and place in the URL bar.
>>>
>>> http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cunmbhd%241pnb9%241%40paganini.bofh.team%3E
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Your right, you did send it and I remember reading that section but
>> my eyes must have been glazed over. I ran it and downloaded it and
>> scanned for malware and virus's (hex8) then installed macrium V 7.3
>> on the 780. After it installed it asked if I wanted to upgrade to V8.
>> I wasn't sure so I clicked later. Usually, that's a yes,.. but I just wanted
>> to check with you first.
>>
>>  https://postimg.cc/p97wxN2G
>>
>> Interesting about the PCI 3.0 ports on the 780 isn't it? It shows its there
>> but doesn't work? I tried another USB with it to test it and nothing.
>> I put the same USB in the 8500 and it detected it.
>>
>>
>> Robert
>
> Whether you use Macrium V8, would depend on whether you have a V8 Rescue CD.
> I'm pretty happy here, to use Version 7 for the free full backups it offers.
> I have the CD for that one.
>
> *******
>
> It still remains to be seen, whether the USB3 port on the Renesas is working.
> The TreeView program can be left running, while you plug in the powered drive.
>
> If you are using things like 2.5" WD Passport drives, maybe there is not
> enough current coming from the card for that. But you have 3.5" drives
> in a separately-powered external enclosure, and that should work without
> any consideration for card power. Don't forget to connect the external
> drive to its AC based power source.
>
> Paul
>

Before we try and hook up a external hd and btw way we don't need to
use the 6TB external hd to test it we can use the WD external if you
like or were you thinking of mrimgs?

However the 3.0 port should also work with a Patriot stick or SandDisk
or with the Adaptor but it doesn't I've tried and there's no response.
If it's working properly the computer should see it with a pop-up but
it doesn't. I tried each of these on the 2.0 ports and they each worked
but not the 3.0

That's what I was thinking, the same as you on Macrium. So I won't
upgrade to version 8 and next time I'll say no.

Robert

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On 1/13/2024 5:52 PM, RobnCA wrote:

>
> Before we try and hook up a external hd and btw way we don't need to
> use the 6TB external hd to test it we can use the WD external if you like or were you thinking of mrimgs?
>
> However the 3.0 port should also work with a Patriot stick or SandDisk
> or with the Adaptor but it doesn't I've tried and there's no response. If it's working properly the computer should see it with a pop-up but
> it doesn't. I tried each of these on the 2.0 ports and they each worked but not the 3.0
>
> That's what I was thinking, the same as you on Macrium. So I won't upgrade to version 8 and next time I'll say no.
>
>
> Robert

Leave the TreeView running.

Find the Renesas item, use the (+) symbol to get the
ports list to show. There should be two items as entries.
(Two main items -- it's ah XHCI hub, so some duplication
will be evident.)

Plug in the Patriot.

It should show a new entry, on one of the two ports.

This is the Renesas out of my old WinXP machine (after machine died).
I can put that in this machine, for test.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/y6vv8W5V/Renesas-2-Port-With-USB-Stick.gif

If it does that, the next step is examining Disk Management (a right-click item of Start button).
If a disk has not been initialized, then that would be part of preparing it,
is using Disk Management to make a partition and so on. A 6TB drive needs
GPT partitioning so the entire 6TB is usable. The 2TB drives could be
MBR or GPT, and either partitioning scheme would work.

You are definitely getting responses, and are making progress.

Paul

Paul wrote:
> On 1/13/2024 5:52 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>
>>
>> Before we try and hook up a external hd and btw way we don't need to
>> use the 6TB external hd to test it we can use the WD external if you like or were you thinking of mrimgs?
>>
>> However the 3.0 port should also work with a Patriot stick or SandDisk
>> or with the Adaptor but it doesn't I've tried and there's no response. If it's working properly the computer should see it with a pop-up but
>> it doesn't. I tried each of these on the 2.0 ports and they each worked but not the 3.0
>>
>> That's what I was thinking, the same as you on Macrium. So I won't upgrade to version 8 and next time I'll say no.
>>
>>
>> Robert
>
> Leave the TreeView running.
>
> Find the Renesas item, use the (+) symbol to get the
> ports list to show. There should be two items as entries.
> (Two main items -- it's ah XHCI hub, so some duplication
> will be evident.)
>
> Plug in the Patriot.
>
> It should show a new entry, on one of the two ports.
>
> This is the Renesas out of my old WinXP machine (after machine died).
> I can put that in this machine, for test.
>
> [Picture]
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/y6vv8W5V/Renesas-2-Port-With-USB-Stick.gif
>
> If it does that, the next step is examining Disk Management (a right-click item of Start button).
> If a disk has not been initialized, then that would be part of preparing it,
> is using Disk Management to make a partition and so on. A 6TB drive needs
> GPT partitioning so the entire 6TB is usable. The 2TB drives could be
> MBR or GPT, and either partitioning scheme would work.
>
> You are definitely getting responses, and are making progress.
>
> Paul
>

I followed your instructions:

https://postimg.cc/B81xSy0h

https://postimg.cc/DJk18gf7

https://postimg.cc/bSqbRw2M

here's Disk Management

https://postimg.cc/qzR6BYc8

Robert

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On 1/14/2024 12:52 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>> On 1/13/2024 5:52 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Before we try and hook up a external hd and btw way we don't need to
>>> use the 6TB external hd to test it we can use the WD external if you like or were you thinking of mrimgs?
>>>
>>> However the 3.0 port should also work with a Patriot stick or SandDisk
>>> or with the Adaptor but it doesn't I've tried and there's no response. If it's working properly the computer should see it with a pop-up but
>>> it doesn't. I tried each of these on the 2.0 ports and they each worked but not the 3.0
>>>
>>> That's what I was thinking, the same as you on Macrium. So I won't upgrade to version 8 and next time I'll say no.
>>>
>>>
>>> Robert
>>
>> Leave the TreeView running.
>>
>> Find the Renesas item, use the (+) symbol to get the
>> ports list to show. There should be two items as entries.
>> (Two main items -- it's ah XHCI hub, so some duplication
>> will be evident.)
>>
>> Plug in the Patriot.
>>
>> It should show a new entry, on one of the two ports.
>>
>> This is the Renesas out of my old WinXP machine (after machine died).
>> I can put that in this machine, for test.
>>
>>     [Picture]
>>
>>      https://i.postimg.cc/y6vv8W5V/Renesas-2-Port-With-USB-Stick.gif
>>
>> If it does that, the next step is examining Disk Management (a right-click item of Start button).
>> If a disk has not been initialized, then that would be part of preparing it,
>> is using Disk Management to make a partition and so on. A 6TB drive needs
>> GPT partitioning so the entire 6TB is usable. The 2TB drives could be
>> MBR or GPT, and either partitioning scheme would work.
>>
>> You are definitely getting responses, and are making progress.
>>
>>    Paul
>>
>
>
> I followed your instructions:
>
> https://postimg.cc/B81xSy0h
>
> https://postimg.cc/DJk18gf7
>
> https://postimg.cc/bSqbRw2M
>
> here's Disk Management
>
> https://postimg.cc/qzR6BYc8
>
> Robert

Hmmmm.

Have you tried all the ports ?

If they wanted to, they could definitely design
a card that needs the aux power connected to a
power cable. But that is not normal practice.
Normal practice is to use a buck converter,
and convert from +12V on the edge connector,
to +5V for VBUS on the external USB connector.

Paul

Paul wrote:
> On 1/14/2024 12:52 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 1/13/2024 5:52 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Before we try and hook up a external hd and btw way we don't need to
>>>> use the 6TB external hd to test it we can use the WD external if you like or were you thinking of mrimgs?
>>>>
>>>> However the 3.0 port should also work with a Patriot stick or SandDisk
>>>> or with the Adaptor but it doesn't I've tried and there's no response. If it's working properly the computer should see it with a pop-up but
>>>> it doesn't. I tried each of these on the 2.0 ports and they each worked but not the 3.0
>>>>
>>>> That's what I was thinking, the same as you on Macrium. So I won't upgrade to version 8 and next time I'll say no.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> Leave the TreeView running.
>>>
>>> Find the Renesas item, use the (+) symbol to get the
>>> ports list to show. There should be two items as entries.
>>> (Two main items -- it's ah XHCI hub, so some duplication
>>> will be evident.)
>>>
>>> Plug in the Patriot.
>>>
>>> It should show a new entry, on one of the two ports.
>>>
>>> This is the Renesas out of my old WinXP machine (after machine died).
>>> I can put that in this machine, for test.
>>>
>>>     [Picture]
>>>
>>>      https://i.postimg.cc/y6vv8W5V/Renesas-2-Port-With-USB-Stick.gif
>>>
>>> If it does that, the next step is examining Disk Management (a right-click item of Start button).
>>> If a disk has not been initialized, then that would be part of preparing it,
>>> is using Disk Management to make a partition and so on. A 6TB drive needs
>>> GPT partitioning so the entire 6TB is usable. The 2TB drives could be
>>> MBR or GPT, and either partitioning scheme would work.
>>>
>>> You are definitely getting responses, and are making progress.
>>>
>>>    Paul
>>>
>>
>>
>> I followed your instructions:
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/B81xSy0h
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/DJk18gf7
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/bSqbRw2M
>>
>> here's Disk Management
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/qzR6BYc8
>>
>> Robert
>
> Hmmmm.
>
> Have you tried all the ports ?
>
> If they wanted to, they could definitely design
> a card that needs the aux power connected to a
> power cable. But that is not normal practice.
> Normal practice is to use a buck converter,
> and convert from +12V on the edge connector,
> to +5V for VBUS on the external USB connector.
>
> Paul
>

Yes, I've tried both 3.0 ports,.. nothing, so I put it in
a 2.0 port so you see the change; its Port 1. I was
using the USB Adaptor with Sandisk.

https://postimg.cc/KRpBgmjJ

I also saw this when I checked hidden icons:

https://postimg.cc/Yv4g6Tmk

I right clicked it - One drive isn't connected?

https://postimg.cc/XpPBYx1P

Robert

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Paul wrote:
> On 1/14/2024 12:52 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 1/13/2024 5:52 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Before we try and hook up a external hd and btw way we don't need to
>>>> use the 6TB external hd to test it we can use the WD external if you like or were you thinking of mrimgs?
>>>>
>>>> However the 3.0 port should also work with a Patriot stick or SandDisk
>>>> or with the Adaptor but it doesn't I've tried and there's no response. If it's working properly the computer should see it with a pop-up but
>>>> it doesn't. I tried each of these on the 2.0 ports and they each worked but not the 3.0
>>>>
>>>> That's what I was thinking, the same as you on Macrium. So I won't upgrade to version 8 and next time I'll say no.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> Leave the TreeView running.
>>>
>>> Find the Renesas item, use the (+) symbol to get the
>>> ports list to show. There should be two items as entries.
>>> (Two main items -- it's ah XHCI hub, so some duplication
>>> will be evident.)
>>>
>>> Plug in the Patriot.
>>>
>>> It should show a new entry, on one of the two ports.
>>>
>>> This is the Renesas out of my old WinXP machine (after machine died).
>>> I can put that in this machine, for test.
>>>
>>>     [Picture]
>>>
>>>      https://i.postimg.cc/y6vv8W5V/Renesas-2-Port-With-USB-Stick.gif
>>>
>>> If it does that, the next step is examining Disk Management (a right-click item of Start button).
>>> If a disk has not been initialized, then that would be part of preparing it,
>>> is using Disk Management to make a partition and so on. A 6TB drive needs
>>> GPT partitioning so the entire 6TB is usable. The 2TB drives could be
>>> MBR or GPT, and either partitioning scheme would work.
>>>
>>> You are definitely getting responses, and are making progress.
>>>
>>>    Paul
>>>
>>
>>
>> I followed your instructions:
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/B81xSy0h
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/DJk18gf7
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/bSqbRw2M
>>
>> here's Disk Management
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/qzR6BYc8
>>
>> Robert
>
> Hmmmm.
>
> Have you tried all the ports ?
>
> If they wanted to, they could definitely design
> a card that needs the aux power connected to a
> power cable. But that is not normal practice.
> Normal practice is to use a buck converter,
> and convert from +12V on the edge connector,
> to +5V for VBUS on the external USB connector.
>
> Paul
>

I noticed Windows Security had a yellow triangle under hidden icons.
Could you please tell me whether I should dismiss these items or
should I sign-in and or turn on?

https://postimg.cc/k27zDFVx

Thanks,
Robert

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On 1/14/2024 8:19 PM, RobnCA wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>> On 1/14/2024 12:52 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>> Paul wrote:
>>>> On 1/13/2024 5:52 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Before we try and hook up a external hd and btw way we don't need to
>>>>> use the 6TB external hd to test it we can use the WD external if you like or were you thinking of mrimgs?
>>>>>
>>>>> However the 3.0 port should also work with a Patriot stick or SandDisk
>>>>> or with the Adaptor but it doesn't I've tried and there's no response. If it's working properly the computer should see it with a pop-up but
>>>>> it doesn't. I tried each of these on the 2.0 ports and they each worked but not the 3.0
>>>>>
>>>>> That's what I was thinking, the same as you on Macrium. So I won't upgrade to version 8 and next time I'll say no.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>> Leave the TreeView running.
>>>>
>>>> Find the Renesas item, use the (+) symbol to get the
>>>> ports list to show. There should be two items as entries.
>>>> (Two main items -- it's ah XHCI hub, so some duplication
>>>> will be evident.)
>>>>
>>>> Plug in the Patriot.
>>>>
>>>> It should show a new entry, on one of the two ports.
>>>>
>>>> This is the Renesas out of my old WinXP machine (after machine died).
>>>> I can put that in this machine, for test.
>>>>
>>>>      [Picture]
>>>>
>>>>       https://i.postimg.cc/y6vv8W5V/Renesas-2-Port-With-USB-Stick.gif
>>>>
>>>> If it does that, the next step is examining Disk Management (a right-click item of Start button).
>>>> If a disk has not been initialized, then that would be part of preparing it,
>>>> is using Disk Management to make a partition and so on. A 6TB drive needs
>>>> GPT partitioning so the entire 6TB is usable. The 2TB drives could be
>>>> MBR or GPT, and either partitioning scheme would work.
>>>>
>>>> You are definitely getting responses, and are making progress.
>>>>
>>>>     Paul
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I followed your instructions:
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/B81xSy0h
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/DJk18gf7
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/bSqbRw2M
>>>
>>> here's Disk Management
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/qzR6BYc8
>>>
>>> Robert
>>
>> Hmmmm.
>>
>> Have you tried all the ports ?
>>
>> If they wanted to, they could definitely design
>> a card that needs the aux power connected to a
>> power cable. But that is not normal practice.
>> Normal practice is to use a buck converter,
>> and convert from +12V on the edge connector,
>> to +5V for VBUS on the external USB connector.
>>
>>     Paul
>>
>
>
> I noticed Windows Security had a yellow triangle under hidden icons.
> Could you please tell me whether I should dismiss these items or
> should I sign-in and or turn on?
>
> https://postimg.cc/k27zDFVx
>
> Thanks,
> Robert

Adding an MSA, would cause the password to be stored in the Cloud.
There would be a recovery procedure, you could answer security
questions and "recover your password", perhaps via email.

But you already know how to hack your way into the computer,
so you hardly need this.

You might need an MSA some day, to get software from the Microsoft Store.
For example, there's some CODEC that costs $1.50 or so, which may help
with movie playback or something. But generally, there isn't a lot
of reasons to go there.

A yellow triangle could be a real security issue.
But just as easily, it could be a message from a marketing weasel.

*******

You get a small amount of free storage on OneDrive. It might be
great for distributing materials. Or as a kind of backup
for a few items in your Downloads folder. You can control the
distribution to make it private or public, and public is what
you'd use for your "cat photos" :-) Then you would give other
people a "link" to the cat photo. That's the sort of thing you
could do with OneDrive. But for basic backups, you have local
hard drives that are working just fine.

Paul

On 1/14/2024 8:07 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>> On 1/14/2024 12:52 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>> Paul wrote:
>>>> On 1/13/2024 5:52 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Before we try and hook up a external hd and btw way we don't need to
>>>>> use the 6TB external hd to test it we can use the WD external if you like or were you thinking of mrimgs?
>>>>>
>>>>> However the 3.0 port should also work with a Patriot stick or SandDisk
>>>>> or with the Adaptor but it doesn't I've tried and there's no response. If it's working properly the computer should see it with a pop-up but
>>>>> it doesn't. I tried each of these on the 2.0 ports and they each worked but not the 3.0
>>>>>
>>>>> That's what I was thinking, the same as you on Macrium. So I won't upgrade to version 8 and next time I'll say no.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>> Leave the TreeView running.
>>>>
>>>> Find the Renesas item, use the (+) symbol to get the
>>>> ports list to show. There should be two items as entries.
>>>> (Two main items -- it's ah XHCI hub, so some duplication
>>>> will be evident.)
>>>>
>>>> Plug in the Patriot.
>>>>
>>>> It should show a new entry, on one of the two ports.
>>>>
>>>> This is the Renesas out of my old WinXP machine (after machine died).
>>>> I can put that in this machine, for test.
>>>>
>>>>      [Picture]
>>>>
>>>>       https://i.postimg.cc/y6vv8W5V/Renesas-2-Port-With-USB-Stick.gif
>>>>
>>>> If it does that, the next step is examining Disk Management (a right-click item of Start button).
>>>> If a disk has not been initialized, then that would be part of preparing it,
>>>> is using Disk Management to make a partition and so on. A 6TB drive needs
>>>> GPT partitioning so the entire 6TB is usable. The 2TB drives could be
>>>> MBR or GPT, and either partitioning scheme would work.
>>>>
>>>> You are definitely getting responses, and are making progress.
>>>>
>>>>     Paul
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I followed your instructions:
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/B81xSy0h
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/DJk18gf7
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/bSqbRw2M
>>>
>>> here's Disk Management
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/qzR6BYc8
>>>
>>> Robert
>>
>> Hmmmm.
>>
>> Have you tried all the ports ?
>>
>> If they wanted to, they could definitely design
>> a card that needs the aux power connected to a
>> power cable. But that is not normal practice.
>> Normal practice is to use a buck converter,
>> and convert from +12V on the edge connector,
>> to +5V for VBUS on the external USB connector.
>>
>>     Paul
>>
>
> Yes, I've tried both 3.0 ports,.. nothing, so I put it in
> a 2.0 port so you see the change; its Port 1. I was
> using the USB Adaptor with Sandisk.
>
> https://postimg.cc/KRpBgmjJ
>
> I also saw this when I checked hidden icons:
>
> https://postimg.cc/Yv4g6Tmk
>
> I right clicked it - One drive isn't connected?
>
> https://postimg.cc/XpPBYx1P
>
> Robert

OneDrive is the cloud storage offered by Microsoft.

When the foreign account was on the machine, that account
used a MSA (Microsoft Account), and that user could have had
Cloud storage.

However, for every account on the machine, the storage
should be private. So Rob and Rob1 might get separate
Cloud storage (you would not expect Rob to see the contents
of Rob1 cloud storage if each had an MSA).

If you don't have an MSA for the Rob account, or an MSA
associated with the Rob1 account, it would be pretty hard
to satisfy the whims of the OneDrive software on the machine.

It's probably grumpy that the foreign account that used to
be on the machine, is gone :-) And this likely happens
all the time, in scenarios like yours. A clean install might
end all ties, or, perhaps there is a way to remove the
OneDrive software. Or turn off its notifications in the
Notification area of Settings.

*******

One thing that is weird about your TreeView, is your Renesas
appears to be the four port chip version. Mine is the two port chip
version. My card has two ports and it has a two port chip.
Your card has a four port chip and a two port PCB ???

It's possible the two chips are footprint compatible, so that
in a production emergency, the four port chip could be soldered
in place of the two port chip. The excess ports would be
no-connects on the FPBGA (fine pitch ball grid array).
Or, they could have entirely different packaging, for all
I know. The two diodes on the card ? Hard to imagine they
could stay within VBUS tolerances if used for naive current
sharing -- that's one part of these designs I don't understand,
the "how do they share" part with the external connector.

1912 Renesas Technology Corp.
0014 uPD720201 USB 3.0 Host Controller <=== Your four port chip?
0015 uPD720202 USB 3.0 Host Controller <=== Treeview PCI\VEN_1912&DEV_0015 [My card]

You can't see the chip number on the main chip here, but
the card layout hints a bit about function. It does
seem to have a 2 amp local power supply, 12V to 5V, on
the top edge of the card, and two 1.1 amp fuses for the
ports.

[Picture] My Renesas 2 port USB3, with drivers all the way back to WinXP

https://i.postimg.cc/T1VsjbTh/Renesas-2-Port-USB3.jpg

Paul

Paul wrote:
> On 1/14/2024 8:19 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 1/14/2024 12:52 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>>> Paul wrote:
>>>>> On 1/13/2024 5:52 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Before we try and hook up a external hd and btw way we don't need to
>>>>>> use the 6TB external hd to test it we can use the WD external if you like or were you thinking of mrimgs?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However the 3.0 port should also work with a Patriot stick or SandDisk
>>>>>> or with the Adaptor but it doesn't I've tried and there's no response. If it's working properly the computer should see it with a pop-up but
>>>>>> it doesn't. I tried each of these on the 2.0 ports and they each worked but not the 3.0
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's what I was thinking, the same as you on Macrium. So I won't upgrade to version 8 and next time I'll say no.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>
>>>>> Leave the TreeView running.
>>>>>
>>>>> Find the Renesas item, use the (+) symbol to get the
>>>>> ports list to show. There should be two items as entries.
>>>>> (Two main items -- it's ah XHCI hub, so some duplication
>>>>> will be evident.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Plug in the Patriot.
>>>>>
>>>>> It should show a new entry, on one of the two ports.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is the Renesas out of my old WinXP machine (after machine died).
>>>>> I can put that in this machine, for test.
>>>>>
>>>>>      [Picture]
>>>>>
>>>>>       https://i.postimg.cc/y6vv8W5V/Renesas-2-Port-With-USB-Stick.gif
>>>>>
>>>>> If it does that, the next step is examining Disk Management (a right-click item of Start button).
>>>>> If a disk has not been initialized, then that would be part of preparing it,
>>>>> is using Disk Management to make a partition and so on. A 6TB drive needs
>>>>> GPT partitioning so the entire 6TB is usable. The 2TB drives could be
>>>>> MBR or GPT, and either partitioning scheme would work.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are definitely getting responses, and are making progress.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Paul
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I followed your instructions:
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/B81xSy0h
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/DJk18gf7
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/bSqbRw2M
>>>>
>>>> here's Disk Management
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/qzR6BYc8
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> Hmmmm.
>>>
>>> Have you tried all the ports ?
>>>
>>> If they wanted to, they could definitely design
>>> a card that needs the aux power connected to a
>>> power cable. But that is not normal practice.
>>> Normal practice is to use a buck converter,
>>> and convert from +12V on the edge connector,
>>> to +5V for VBUS on the external USB connector.
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>>
>>
>>
>> I noticed Windows Security had a yellow triangle under hidden icons.
>> Could you please tell me whether I should dismiss these items or
>> should I sign-in and or turn on?
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/k27zDFVx
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Robert
>
> Adding an MSA, would cause the password to be stored in the Cloud.
> There would be a recovery procedure, you could answer security
> questions and "recover your password", perhaps via email.
>
> But you already know how to hack your way into the computer,
> so you hardly need this.
>
> You might need an MSA some day, to get software from the Microsoft Store.
> For example, there's some CODEC that costs $1.50 or so, which may help
> with movie playback or something. But generally, there isn't a lot
> of reasons to go there.
>
> A yellow triangle could be a real security issue.
> But just as easily, it could be a message from a marketing weasel.
>
> *******
>
> You get a small amount of free storage on OneDrive. It might be
> great for distributing materials. Or as a kind of backup
> for a few items in your Downloads folder. You can control the
> distribution to make it private or public, and public is what
> you'd use for your "cat photos" :-) Then you would give other
> people a "link" to the cat photo. That's the sort of thing you
> could do with OneDrive. But for basic backups, you have local
> hard drives that are working just fine.
>
> Paul
>

This is the card I bought:

https://www.newegg.com/vantec-model-ugt-pc345-pci-express-to-usb-card/p/N82E16815287019

I have to say its hard to find Treeview on
Win 10,.. it doesn't have the All Programs
that Win 7 Pro does.

What about the Account Protection and App
& Browser Control with yellow triangles?
dismiss them?

https://postlmg.cc/k27zDFVx

Things still to do...

1. make a homepage on Win 10 with about:blank
2. copy/paste My Documents from 8500 to 780
via 1TB Patriot(I'll order it on the 24th).
3. create a mrimg on Win 10 when your satisfied
were done.
4. do the 8500 Win 10, I checked and it only
will hold one hd at a time. So I'll have to
physically remove the Win 7 Pro hd and replace
it with Win 10 hd. It also has no hd harness
like the 780 but is screwed directly into the
frame with (4) screws.

I've done it before but you'd think they would
design it a bit more user friendly.

Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert

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On 1/15/2024 9:43 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>> On 1/14/2024 8:19 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>>> Paul wrote:
>>>> On 1/14/2024 12:52 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>>>> Paul wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/13/2024 5:52 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Before we try and hook up a external hd and btw way we don't need to
>>>>>>> use the 6TB external hd to test it we can use the WD external if you like or were you thinking of mrimgs?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However the 3.0 port should also work with a Patriot stick or SandDisk
>>>>>>> or with the Adaptor but it doesn't I've tried and there's no response. If it's working properly the computer should see it with a pop-up but
>>>>>>> it doesn't. I tried each of these on the 2.0 ports and they each worked but not the 3.0
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's what I was thinking, the same as you on Macrium. So I won't upgrade to version 8 and next time I'll say no.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Leave the TreeView running.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Find the Renesas item, use the (+) symbol to get the
>>>>>> ports list to show. There should be two items as entries.
>>>>>> (Two main items -- it's ah XHCI hub, so some duplication
>>>>>> will be evident.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Plug in the Patriot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It should show a new entry, on one of the two ports.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the Renesas out of my old WinXP machine (after machine died).
>>>>>> I can put that in this machine, for test.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       [Picture]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        https://i.postimg.cc/y6vv8W5V/Renesas-2-Port-With-USB-Stick.gif
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it does that, the next step is examining Disk Management (a right-click item of Start button).
>>>>>> If a disk has not been initialized, then that would be part of preparing it,
>>>>>> is using Disk Management to make a partition and so on. A 6TB drive needs
>>>>>> GPT partitioning so the entire 6TB is usable. The 2TB drives could be
>>>>>> MBR or GPT, and either partitioning scheme would work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are definitely getting responses, and are making progress.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      Paul
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I followed your instructions:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://postimg.cc/B81xSy0h
>>>>>
>>>>> https://postimg.cc/DJk18gf7
>>>>>
>>>>> https://postimg.cc/bSqbRw2M
>>>>>
>>>>> here's Disk Management
>>>>>
>>>>> https://postimg.cc/qzR6BYc8
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>> Hmmmm.
>>>>
>>>> Have you tried all the ports ?
>>>>
>>>> If they wanted to, they could definitely design
>>>> a card that needs the aux power connected to a
>>>> power cable. But that is not normal practice.
>>>> Normal practice is to use a buck converter,
>>>> and convert from +12V on the edge connector,
>>>> to +5V for VBUS on the external USB connector.
>>>>
>>>>      Paul
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I noticed Windows Security had a yellow triangle under hidden icons.
>>> Could you please tell me whether I should dismiss these items or
>>> should I sign-in and or turn on?
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/k27zDFVx
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Robert
>>
>> Adding an MSA, would cause the password to be stored in the Cloud.
>> There would be a recovery procedure, you could answer security
>> questions and "recover your password", perhaps via email.
>>
>> But you already know how to hack your way into the computer,
>> so you hardly need this.
>>
>> You might need an MSA some day, to get software from the Microsoft Store.
>> For example, there's some CODEC that costs $1.50 or so, which may help
>> with movie playback or something. But generally, there isn't a lot
>> of reasons to go there.
>>
>> A yellow triangle could be a real security issue.
>> But just as easily, it could be a message from a marketing weasel.
>>
>> *******
>>
>> You get a small amount of free storage on OneDrive. It might be
>> great for distributing materials. Or as a kind of backup
>> for a few items in your Downloads folder. You can control the
>> distribution to make it private or public, and public is what
>> you'd use for your "cat photos" :-) Then you would give other
>> people a "link" to the cat photo. That's the sort of thing you
>> could do with OneDrive. But for basic backups, you have local
>> hard drives that are working just fine.
>>
>>     Paul
>>
>
>
> This is the card I bought:
>
> https://www.newegg.com/vantec-model-ugt-pc345-pci-express-to-usb-card/p/N82E16815287019
>
> I have to say its hard to find Treeview on
> Win 10,.. it doesn't have the All Programs
> that Win 7 Pro does.
>
> What about the Account Protection and App
> & Browser Control with yellow triangles?
> dismiss them?
>
> https://postlmg.cc/k27zDFVx
>
>
> Things still to do...
>
> 1. make a homepage on Win 10 with about:blank
> 2. copy/paste My Documents from 8500 to 780
>    via 1TB Patriot(I'll order it on the 24th).
> 3. create a mrimg on Win 10 when your satisfied
>    were done.
> 4. do the 8500 Win 10, I checked and it only
>    will hold one hd at a time. So I'll have to
>    physically remove the Win 7 Pro hd and replace
>    it with Win 10 hd. It also has no hd harness
>    like the 780 but is screwed directly into the
>    frame with (4) screws.
>
>    I've done it before but you'd think they would
>    design it a bit more user friendly.
>
> Thoughts/Suggestions?
> Robert

They do mention the power cable, but it only gets mentioned
in the "Windows says the USB device is not getting enough power"
section of the manual.

https://www.vantecusa.com/CKEdit/images/files/ugt-pc345_manual.pdf

Like my card, it does seem the design of yours has potentially
the right materials on board. There is a 2 ampere power
converter in the upper left corner. A converter for core power
for the chip. And what could be a schottky diode ORing scheme
for +5V summation with the onboard 5V2A converter.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/R0sjTmck/vantecusa-ugt-pc345-USB3-4port.jpg

The reviews on Newegg, have mixed some other product reviews in,
specifically the VIA chipset board that does not work as well
(some versions of driver are buggy for that one).

But a couple people mention they could not get external
device detection unless the "optional" power cable (Molex 1x4)
is connected to the ugt-pc345.

See if your card exactly matches the Newegg picture or see if
there are "more de-pops" on your physical card than the example
photos. It's unlikely they would test the card at the factory
(with optional connector disconnected) and not notice the
power converter was not working.

Since the device seems to show up, it's my wild guess the
Renesas 720201 is getting core power, the firmware is loading,
but perhaps there's no VBUS on the external USB3 connectors. And that would
play a part if failing to detect.

*******

This is a LP4 Female to two LP4 males. A Y cable.

https://www.newegg.com/multi-color-startech-9-cable-connectors/p/N82E16812200042

Normally these are relatively short. A "good" one might be at best 9 inches
on either side of the Y.

I have one Y cable, which is 18 inches on one leg and 9 inches on the
other leg. This cable came with an ATI video card, and presumably the
long cable, was to reach the end of the ATI 9800Pro, something like that.

You can place multiple Y cables in-line, to achieve a longer length on
one leg.

You could for example, take the Molex off one of your optical drives,
and insert a Y in there. The short side of the Y cables would go
to the optical drive. The extended path of multiple Y cables, would
reach all the way down to the USB card.

Paul wrote:
> On 1/15/2024 9:43 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 1/14/2024 8:19 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>>>> Paul wrote:
>>>>> On 1/14/2024 12:52 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>>>>> Paul wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/13/2024 5:52 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Before we try and hook up a external hd and btw way we don't need to
>>>>>>>> use the 6TB external hd to test it we can use the WD external if you like or were you thinking of mrimgs?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However the 3.0 port should also work with a Patriot stick or SandDisk
>>>>>>>> or with the Adaptor but it doesn't I've tried and there's no response. If it's working properly the computer should see it with a pop-up but
>>>>>>>> it doesn't. I tried each of these on the 2.0 ports and they each worked but not the 3.0
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's what I was thinking, the same as you on Macrium. So I won't upgrade to version 8 and next time I'll say no.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Leave the TreeView running.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Find the Renesas item, use the (+) symbol to get the
>>>>>>> ports list to show. There should be two items as entries.
>>>>>>> (Two main items -- it's ah XHCI hub, so some duplication
>>>>>>> will be evident.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Plug in the Patriot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It should show a new entry, on one of the two ports.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is the Renesas out of my old WinXP machine (after machine died).
>>>>>>> I can put that in this machine, for test.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       [Picture]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        https://i.postimg.cc/y6vv8W5V/Renesas-2-Port-With-USB-Stick.gif
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If it does that, the next step is examining Disk Management (a right-click item of Start button).
>>>>>>> If a disk has not been initialized, then that would be part of preparing it,
>>>>>>> is using Disk Management to make a partition and so on. A 6TB drive needs
>>>>>>> GPT partitioning so the entire 6TB is usable. The 2TB drives could be
>>>>>>> MBR or GPT, and either partitioning scheme would work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are definitely getting responses, and are making progress.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      Paul
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I followed your instructions:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/B81xSy0h
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/DJk18gf7
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/bSqbRw2M
>>>>>>
>>>>>> here's Disk Management
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/qzR6BYc8
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmmmm.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you tried all the ports ?
>>>>>
>>>>> If they wanted to, they could definitely design
>>>>> a card that needs the aux power connected to a
>>>>> power cable. But that is not normal practice.
>>>>> Normal practice is to use a buck converter,
>>>>> and convert from +12V on the edge connector,
>>>>> to +5V for VBUS on the external USB connector.
>>>>>
>>>>>      Paul
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I noticed Windows Security had a yellow triangle under hidden icons.
>>>> Could you please tell me whether I should dismiss these items or
>>>> should I sign-in and or turn on?
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/k27zDFVx
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> Adding an MSA, would cause the password to be stored in the Cloud.
>>> There would be a recovery procedure, you could answer security
>>> questions and "recover your password", perhaps via email.
>>>
>>> But you already know how to hack your way into the computer,
>>> so you hardly need this.
>>>
>>> You might need an MSA some day, to get software from the Microsoft Store.
>>> For example, there's some CODEC that costs $1.50 or so, which may help
>>> with movie playback or something. But generally, there isn't a lot
>>> of reasons to go there.
>>>
>>> A yellow triangle could be a real security issue.
>>> But just as easily, it could be a message from a marketing weasel.
>>>
>>> *******
>>>
>>> You get a small amount of free storage on OneDrive. It might be
>>> great for distributing materials. Or as a kind of backup
>>> for a few items in your Downloads folder. You can control the
>>> distribution to make it private or public, and public is what
>>> you'd use for your "cat photos" :-) Then you would give other
>>> people a "link" to the cat photo. That's the sort of thing you
>>> could do with OneDrive. But for basic backups, you have local
>>> hard drives that are working just fine.
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>>
>>
>>
>> This is the card I bought:
>>
>> https://www.newegg.com/vantec-model-ugt-pc345-pci-express-to-usb-card/p/N82E16815287019
>>
>> I have to say its hard to find Treeview on
>> Win 10,.. it doesn't have the All Programs
>> that Win 7 Pro does.
>>
>> What about the Account Protection and App
>> & Browser Control with yellow triangles?
>> dismiss them?
>>
>> https://postlmg.cc/k27zDFVx
>>
>>
>> Things still to do...
>>
>> 1. make a homepage on Win 10 with about:blank
>> 2. copy/paste My Documents from 8500 to 780
>>    via 1TB Patriot(I'll order it on the 24th).
>> 3. create a mrimg on Win 10 when your satisfied
>>    were done.
>> 4. do the 8500 Win 10, I checked and it only
>>    will hold one hd at a time. So I'll have to
>>    physically remove the Win 7 Pro hd and replace
>>    it with Win 10 hd. It also has no hd harness
>>    like the 780 but is screwed directly into the
>>    frame with (4) screws.
>>
>>    I've done it before but you'd think they would
>>    design it a bit more user friendly.
>>
>> Thoughts/Suggestions?
>> Robert
>
> They do mention the power cable, but it only gets mentioned
> in the "Windows says the USB device is not getting enough power"
> section of the manual.
>
> https://www.vantecusa.com/CKEdit/images/files/ugt-pc345_manual.pdf
>
> Like my card, it does seem the design of yours has potentially
> the right materials on board. There is a 2 ampere power
> converter in the upper left corner. A converter for core power
> for the chip. And what could be a schottky diode ORing scheme
> for +5V summation with the onboard 5V2A converter.
>
> [Picture]
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/R0sjTmck/vantecusa-ugt-pc345-USB3-4port.jpg
>
> The reviews on Newegg, have mixed some other product reviews in,
> specifically the VIA chipset board that does not work as well
> (some versions of driver are buggy for that one).
>
> But a couple people mention they could not get external
> device detection unless the "optional" power cable (Molex 1x4)
> is connected to the ugt-pc345.
>
> See if your card exactly matches the Newegg picture or see if
> there are "more de-pops" on your physical card than the example
> photos. It's unlikely they would test the card at the factory
> (with optional connector disconnected) and not notice the
> power converter was not working.
>
> Since the device seems to show up, it's my wild guess the
> Renesas 720201 is getting core power, the firmware is loading,
> but perhaps there's no VBUS on the external USB3 connectors. And that would
> play a part if failing to detect.
>
> *******
>
> This is a LP4 Female to two LP4 males. A Y cable.
>
> https://www.newegg.com/multi-color-startech-9-cable-connectors/p/N82E16812200042
>
> Normally these are relatively short. A "good" one might be at best 9 inches
> on either side of the Y.
>
> I have one Y cable, which is 18 inches on one leg and 9 inches on the
> other leg. This cable came with an ATI video card, and presumably the
> long cable, was to reach the end of the ATI 9800Pro, something like that.
>
> You can place multiple Y cables in-line, to achieve a longer length on
> one leg.
>
> You could for example, take the Molex off one of your optical drives,
> and insert a Y in there. The short side of the Y cables would go
> to the optical drive. The extended path of multiple Y cables, would
> reach all the way down to the USB card.
>
> ATX Molex male --- female lp4lp4 --------- to optical drive
> 6 \
> 6 \
> female lp4lp4 ---------X
> \
> 6 \
> female lp4lp4 ---------X
> \
> 6 \
> Renesas
> AuxPower
>
> ATX Molex male --- female lp4lp4 --------- to optical drive
> 9 \
> 9 \
> \
> female lp4lp4 ---------X
> \
> 9 \
> \
> Renesas
> AuxPower
>
> Using my boundless supply of spare wire, I'd just cut one leg of the
> Y in two pieces, and insert pieces of extension wire, to make a single
> asymmetric Y long enough for the job. But, you need flexible wire.
> Lamp cord wire is heavy enough. You'd need a nice lamp cord wire
> you could split, to maintain good flexibility. and you need an excellent
> supply of Marettes/WireNuts to make the connections. Soldering and using
> Polyolefin sleeves is too much work. As long as you use the right size
> of WireNut, you can extend a Molex Y.
>
> Anyway, that's an illustration of how you'd get power down there.
> It's too bad the damn Y cables are so short, because for this job,
> the longer the individual units are, the fewer (in-a-row) needed.
> I'm guessing the distance is at least 20 inches, and you want a bit
> of slack, as making it like a guitar string is not convenient
> when working inside a PC.
>
> The reason all these theatrics are required, is the PCIe connector
> only has +3.3V and +12V in the power section of the edge connector,
> and there's no incoming +5V. The onboard 2 amp converter is
> supposed to convert +12V to +5V (buck converter) and do it relatively
> efficiently so the chip does not get too hot. Using the Aux Connector,
> the +5V on the Y-cable can be used without conversion. Only
> if they "forgot" to install the converter in the upper left
> corner, should the card be devoid of VBUS on the external connector.
>
> Paul
>

Paul wrote:
> On 1/15/2024 9:43 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 1/14/2024 8:19 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>>>> Paul wrote:
>>>>> On 1/14/2024 12:52 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>>>>> Paul wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/13/2024 5:52 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Before we try and hook up a external hd and btw way we don't need to
>>>>>>>> use the 6TB external hd to test it we can use the WD external if you like or were you thinking of mrimgs?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However the 3.0 port should also work with a Patriot stick or SandDisk
>>>>>>>> or with the Adaptor but it doesn't I've tried and there's no response. If it's working properly the computer should see it with a pop-up but
>>>>>>>> it doesn't. I tried each of these on the 2.0 ports and they each worked but not the 3.0
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's what I was thinking, the same as you on Macrium. So I won't upgrade to version 8 and next time I'll say no.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Leave the TreeView running.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Find the Renesas item, use the (+) symbol to get the
>>>>>>> ports list to show. There should be two items as entries.
>>>>>>> (Two main items -- it's ah XHCI hub, so some duplication
>>>>>>> will be evident.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Plug in the Patriot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It should show a new entry, on one of the two ports.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is the Renesas out of my old WinXP machine (after machine died).
>>>>>>> I can put that in this machine, for test.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       [Picture]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        https://i.postimg.cc/y6vv8W5V/Renesas-2-Port-With-USB-Stick.gif
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If it does that, the next step is examining Disk Management (a right-click item of Start button).
>>>>>>> If a disk has not been initialized, then that would be part of preparing it,
>>>>>>> is using Disk Management to make a partition and so on. A 6TB drive needs
>>>>>>> GPT partitioning so the entire 6TB is usable. The 2TB drives could be
>>>>>>> MBR or GPT, and either partitioning scheme would work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are definitely getting responses, and are making progress.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      Paul
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I followed your instructions:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/B81xSy0h
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/DJk18gf7
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/bSqbRw2M
>>>>>>
>>>>>> here's Disk Management
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/qzR6BYc8
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmmmm.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you tried all the ports ?
>>>>>
>>>>> If they wanted to, they could definitely design
>>>>> a card that needs the aux power connected to a
>>>>> power cable. But that is not normal practice.
>>>>> Normal practice is to use a buck converter,
>>>>> and convert from +12V on the edge connector,
>>>>> to +5V for VBUS on the external USB connector.
>>>>>
>>>>>      Paul
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I noticed Windows Security had a yellow triangle under hidden icons.
>>>> Could you please tell me whether I should dismiss these items or
>>>> should I sign-in and or turn on?
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/k27zDFVx
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> Adding an MSA, would cause the password to be stored in the Cloud.
>>> There would be a recovery procedure, you could answer security
>>> questions and "recover your password", perhaps via email.
>>>
>>> But you already know how to hack your way into the computer,
>>> so you hardly need this.
>>>
>>> You might need an MSA some day, to get software from the Microsoft Store.
>>> For example, there's some CODEC that costs $1.50 or so, which may help
>>> with movie playback or something. But generally, there isn't a lot
>>> of reasons to go there.
>>>
>>> A yellow triangle could be a real security issue.
>>> But just as easily, it could be a message from a marketing weasel.
>>>
>>> *******
>>>
>>> You get a small amount of free storage on OneDrive. It might be
>>> great for distributing materials. Or as a kind of backup
>>> for a few items in your Downloads folder. You can control the
>>> distribution to make it private or public, and public is what
>>> you'd use for your "cat photos" :-) Then you would give other
>>> people a "link" to the cat photo. That's the sort of thing you
>>> could do with OneDrive. But for basic backups, you have local
>>> hard drives that are working just fine.
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>>
>>
>>
>> This is the card I bought:
>>
>> https://www.newegg.com/vantec-model-ugt-pc345-pci-express-to-usb-card/p/N82E16815287019
>>
>> I have to say its hard to find Treeview on
>> Win 10,.. it doesn't have the All Programs
>> that Win 7 Pro does.
>>
>> What about the Account Protection and App
>> & Browser Control with yellow triangles?
>> dismiss them?
>>
>> https://postlmg.cc/k27zDFVx
>>
>>
>> Things still to do...
>>
>> 1. make a homepage on Win 10 with about:blank
>> 2. copy/paste My Documents from 8500 to 780
>>    via 1TB Patriot(I'll order it on the 24th).
>> 3. create a mrimg on Win 10 when your satisfied
>>    were done.
>> 4. do the 8500 Win 10, I checked and it only
>>    will hold one hd at a time. So I'll have to
>>    physically remove the Win 7 Pro hd and replace
>>    it with Win 10 hd. It also has no hd harness
>>    like the 780 but is screwed directly into the
>>    frame with (4) screws.
>>
>>    I've done it before but you'd think they would
>>    design it a bit more user friendly.
>>
>> Thoughts/Suggestions?
>> Robert
>
> They do mention the power cable, but it only gets mentioned
> in the "Windows says the USB device is not getting enough power"
> section of the manual.
>
> https://www.vantecusa.com/CKEdit/images/files/ugt-pc345_manual.pdf
>
> Like my card, it does seem the design of yours has potentially
> the right materials on board. There is a 2 ampere power
> converter in the upper left corner. A converter for core power
> for the chip. And what could be a schottky diode ORing scheme
> for +5V summation with the onboard 5V2A converter.
>
> [Picture]
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/R0sjTmck/vantecusa-ugt-pc345-USB3-4port.jpg
>
> The reviews on Newegg, have mixed some other product reviews in,
> specifically the VIA chipset board that does not work as well
> (some versions of driver are buggy for that one).
>
> But a couple people mention they could not get external
> device detection unless the "optional" power cable (Molex 1x4)
> is connected to the ugt-pc345.
>
> See if your card exactly matches the Newegg picture or see if
> there are "more de-pops" on your physical card than the example
> photos. It's unlikely they would test the card at the factory
> (with optional connector disconnected) and not notice the
> power converter was not working.
>
> Since the device seems to show up, it's my wild guess the
> Renesas 720201 is getting core power, the firmware is loading,
> but perhaps there's no VBUS on the external USB3 connectors. And that would
> play a part if failing to detect.
>
> *******
>
> This is a LP4 Female to two LP4 males. A Y cable.
>
> https://www.newegg.com/multi-color-startech-9-cable-connectors/p/N82E16812200042
>
> Normally these are relatively short. A "good" one might be at best 9 inches
> on either side of the Y.
>
> I have one Y cable, which is 18 inches on one leg and 9 inches on the
> other leg. This cable came with an ATI video card, and presumably the
> long cable, was to reach the end of the ATI 9800Pro, something like that.
>
> You can place multiple Y cables in-line, to achieve a longer length on
> one leg.
>
> You could for example, take the Molex off one of your optical drives,
> and insert a Y in there. The short side of the Y cables would go
> to the optical drive. The extended path of multiple Y cables, would
> reach all the way down to the USB card.
>
> ATX Molex male --- female lp4lp4 --------- to optical drive
> 6 \
> 6 \
> female lp4lp4 ---------X
> \
> 6 \
> female lp4lp4 ---------X
> \
> 6 \
> Renesas
> AuxPower
>
> ATX Molex male --- female lp4lp4 --------- to optical drive
> 9 \
> 9 \
> \
> female lp4lp4 ---------X
> \
> 9 \
> \
> Renesas
> AuxPower
>
> Using my boundless supply of spare wire, I'd just cut one leg of the
> Y in two pieces, and insert pieces of extension wire, to make a single
> asymmetric Y long enough for the job. But, you need flexible wire.
> Lamp cord wire is heavy enough. You'd need a nice lamp cord wire
> you could split, to maintain good flexibility. and you need an excellent
> supply of Marettes/WireNuts to make the connections. Soldering and using
> Polyolefin sleeves is too much work. As long as you use the right size
> of WireNut, you can extend a Molex Y.
>
> Anyway, that's an illustration of how you'd get power down there.
> It's too bad the damn Y cables are so short, because for this job,
> the longer the individual units are, the fewer (in-a-row) needed.
> I'm guessing the distance is at least 20 inches, and you want a bit
> of slack, as making it like a guitar string is not convenient
> when working inside a PC.
>
> The reason all these theatrics are required, is the PCIe connector
> only has +3.3V and +12V in the power section of the edge connector,
> and there's no incoming +5V. The onboard 2 amp converter is
> supposed to convert +12V to +5V (buck converter) and do it relatively
> efficiently so the chip does not get too hot. Using the Aux Connector,
> the +5V on the Y-cable can be used without conversion. Only
> if they "forgot" to install the converter in the upper left
> corner, should the card be devoid of VBUS on the external connector.
>
> Paul
>

On 1/15/2024 4:40 PM, RobnCA wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>> On 1/15/2024 9:43 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>> Paul wrote:
>>>> On 1/14/2024 8:19 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>>>>> Paul wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/14/2024 12:52 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>>>>>> Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 1/13/2024 5:52 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Before we try and hook up a external hd and btw way we don't need to
>>>>>>>>> use the 6TB external hd to test it we can use the WD external if you like or were you thinking of mrimgs?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> However the 3.0 port should also work with a Patriot stick or SandDisk
>>>>>>>>> or with the Adaptor but it doesn't I've tried and there's no response. If it's working properly the computer should see it with a pop-up but
>>>>>>>>> it doesn't. I tried each of these on the 2.0 ports and they each worked but not the 3.0
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's what I was thinking, the same as you on Macrium. So I won't upgrade to version 8 and next time I'll say no.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Leave the TreeView running.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Find the Renesas item, use the (+) symbol to get the
>>>>>>>> ports list to show. There should be two items as entries.
>>>>>>>> (Two main items -- it's ah XHCI hub, so some duplication
>>>>>>>> will be evident.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Plug in the Patriot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It should show a new entry, on one of the two ports.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is the Renesas out of my old WinXP machine (after machine died).
>>>>>>>> I can put that in this machine, for test.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>        [Picture]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         https://i.postimg.cc/y6vv8W5V/Renesas-2-Port-With-USB-Stick.gif
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If it does that, the next step is examining Disk Management (a right-click item of Start button).
>>>>>>>> If a disk has not been initialized, then that would be part of preparing it,
>>>>>>>> is using Disk Management to make a partition and so on. A 6TB drive needs
>>>>>>>> GPT partitioning so the entire 6TB is usable. The 2TB drives could be
>>>>>>>> MBR or GPT, and either partitioning scheme would work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are definitely getting responses, and are making progress.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       Paul
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I followed your instructions:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/B81xSy0h
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/DJk18gf7
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/bSqbRw2M
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> here's Disk Management
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/qzR6BYc8
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmmmm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you tried all the ports ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If they wanted to, they could definitely design
>>>>>> a card that needs the aux power connected to a
>>>>>> power cable. But that is not normal practice.
>>>>>> Normal practice is to use a buck converter,
>>>>>> and convert from +12V on the edge connector,
>>>>>> to +5V for VBUS on the external USB connector.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       Paul
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I noticed Windows Security had a yellow triangle under hidden icons.
>>>>> Could you please tell me whether I should dismiss these items or
>>>>> should I sign-in and or turn on?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://postimg.cc/k27zDFVx
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>> Adding an MSA, would cause the password to be stored in the Cloud.
>>>> There would be a recovery procedure, you could answer security
>>>> questions and "recover your password", perhaps via email.
>>>>
>>>> But you already know how to hack your way into the computer,
>>>> so you hardly need this.
>>>>
>>>> You might need an MSA some day, to get software from the Microsoft Store.
>>>> For example, there's some CODEC that costs $1.50 or so, which may help
>>>> with movie playback or something. But generally, there isn't a lot
>>>> of reasons to go there.
>>>>
>>>> A yellow triangle could be a real security issue.
>>>> But just as easily, it could be a message from a marketing weasel.
>>>>
>>>> *******
>>>>
>>>> You get a small amount of free storage on OneDrive. It might be
>>>> great for distributing materials. Or as a kind of backup
>>>> for a few items in your Downloads folder. You can control the
>>>> distribution to make it private or public, and public is what
>>>> you'd use for your "cat photos" :-) Then you would give other
>>>> people a "link" to the cat photo. That's the sort of thing you
>>>> could do with OneDrive. But for basic backups, you have local
>>>> hard drives that are working just fine.
>>>>
>>>>      Paul
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is the card I bought:
>>>
>>> https://www.newegg.com/vantec-model-ugt-pc345-pci-express-to-usb-card/p/N82E16815287019
>>>
>>> I have to say its hard to find Treeview on
>>> Win 10,.. it doesn't have the All Programs
>>> that Win 7 Pro does.
>>>
>>> What about the Account Protection and App
>>> & Browser Control with yellow triangles?
>>> dismiss them?
>>>
>>> https://postlmg.cc/k27zDFVx
>>>
>>>
>>> Things still to do...
>>>
>>> 1. make a homepage on Win 10 with about:blank
>>> 2. copy/paste My Documents from 8500 to 780
>>>     via 1TB Patriot(I'll order it on the 24th).
>>> 3. create a mrimg on Win 10 when your satisfied
>>>     were done.
>>> 4. do the 8500 Win 10, I checked and it only
>>>     will hold one hd at a time. So I'll have to
>>>     physically remove the Win 7 Pro hd and replace
>>>     it with Win 10 hd. It also has no hd harness
>>>     like the 780 but is screwed directly into the
>>>     frame with (4) screws.
>>>
>>>     I've done it before but you'd think they would
>>>     design it a bit more user friendly.
>>>
>>> Thoughts/Suggestions?
>>> Robert
>>
>> They do mention the power cable, but it only gets mentioned
>> in the "Windows says the USB device is not getting enough power"
>> section of the manual.
>>
>>     https://www.vantecusa.com/CKEdit/images/files/ugt-pc345_manual.pdf
>>
>> Like my card, it does seem the design of yours has potentially
>> the right materials on board. There is a 2 ampere power
>> converter in the upper left corner. A converter for core power
>> for the chip. And what could be a schottky diode ORing scheme
>> for +5V summation with the onboard 5V2A converter.
>>
>>     [Picture]
>>
>>     https://i.postimg.cc/R0sjTmck/vantecusa-ugt-pc345-USB3-4port.jpg
>>
>> The reviews on Newegg, have mixed some other product reviews in,
>> specifically the VIA chipset board that does not work as well
>> (some versions of driver are buggy for that one).
>>
>> But a couple people mention they could not get external
>> device detection unless the "optional" power cable (Molex 1x4)
>> is connected to the ugt-pc345.
>>
>> See if your card exactly matches the Newegg picture or see if
>> there are "more de-pops" on your physical card than the example
>> photos. It's unlikely they would test the card at the factory
>> (with optional connector disconnected) and not notice the
>> power converter was not working.
>>
>> Since the device seems to show up, it's my wild guess the
>> Renesas 720201 is getting core power, the firmware is loading,
>> but perhaps there's no VBUS on the external USB3 connectors. And that would
>> play a part if failing to detect.
>>
>> *******
>>
>> This is a LP4 Female to two LP4 males. A Y cable.
>>
>> https://www.newegg.com/multi-color-startech-9-cable-connectors/p/N82E16812200042
>>
>> Normally these are relatively short. A "good" one might be at best 9 inches
>> on either side of the Y.
>>
>> I have one Y cable, which is 18 inches on one leg and 9 inches on the
>> other leg. This cable came with an ATI video card, and presumably the
>> long cable, was to reach the end of the ATI 9800Pro, something like that.
>>
>> You can place multiple Y cables in-line, to achieve a longer length on
>> one leg.
>>
>> You could for example, take the Molex off one of your optical drives,
>> and insert a Y in there. The short side of the Y cables would go
>> to the optical drive. The extended path of multiple Y cables, would
>> reach all the way down to the USB card.
>>
>>      ATX Molex male --- female lp4lp4 --------- to optical drive
>>                      6       \
>>                             6 \
>>                                female lp4lp4 ---------X
>>                                 \
>>                                6 \
>>                                   female lp4lp4 ---------X
>>                                    \
>>                                   6 \
>>                                    Renesas
>>                                    AuxPower
>>
>>      ATX Molex male --- female lp4lp4 --------- to optical drive
>>                      9       \
>>                             9 \
>>                                \
>>                                 female lp4lp4 ---------X
>>                                  \
>>                                 9 \
>>                                    \
>>                                   Renesas
>>                                   AuxPower
>>
>> Using my boundless supply of spare wire, I'd just cut one leg of the
>> Y in two pieces, and insert pieces of extension wire, to make a single
>> asymmetric Y long enough for the job. But, you need flexible wire.
>> Lamp cord wire is heavy enough. You'd need a nice lamp cord wire
>> you could split, to maintain good flexibility. and you need an excellent
>> supply of Marettes/WireNuts to make the connections. Soldering and using
>> Polyolefin sleeves is too much work. As long as you use the right size
>> of WireNut, you can extend a Molex Y.
>>
>> Anyway, that's an illustration of how you'd get power down there.
>> It's too bad the damn Y cables are so short, because for this job,
>> the longer the individual units are, the fewer (in-a-row) needed.
>> I'm guessing the distance is at least 20 inches, and you want a bit
>> of slack, as making it like a guitar string is not convenient
>> when working inside a PC.
>>
>> The reason all these theatrics are required, is the PCIe connector
>> only has +3.3V and +12V in the power section of the edge connector,
>> and there's no incoming +5V. The onboard 2 amp converter is
>> supposed to convert +12V to +5V (buck converter) and do it relatively
>> efficiently so the chip does not get too hot. Using the Aux Connector,
>> the +5V on the Y-cable can be used without conversion. Only
>> if they "forgot" to install the converter in the upper left
>> corner, should the card be devoid of VBUS on the external connector.
>>
>>     Paul
>>
>
>
>
>
> Success!
>
> You pointed me in the right direction. I used the
> optical drive cable and connected it to the PCI
> Molex cable.
>
> https://postimg.cc/vgkctGCP # Can't disable optical drive, without informing BIOS SATA enables
>
> https://postimg.cc/mzvgF8FJ # USB stick seen
>
> https://postimg.cc/N2twcVXs # Properties, 8GB stick
>
> https://postimg.cc/LJWKXhP0 # Safely remove icon
>
> https://postimg.cc/3dR3Js6N # Has an eject, could be NTFS.
>
>
> I'll have to put the optical cable back of course, but
> I wanted to test it and see if it would work.
>
> I'll have to order cables on the 24th,.. but I don't
> know if the one you showed will be long enough?
> I'll need male/female connections. one for the PCI
> card and one for the optical cable connection.
>
> What about the Windows Security yellow triangles?
> Should I dismiss them or what?
>
> https://postlmg.cc/k27zDFVx
>
> Robert

On 1/15/2024 5:16 PM, Robert in CA wrote:

> Here's TreeViwer:
>
> https://postimg.cc/4HnSH70S
>
> Robert

Yup. Looks good.

Paul

Paul wrote:
> On 1/15/2024 5:16 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>
>> Here's TreeViwer:
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/4HnSH70S
>>
>> Robert
>
> Yup. Looks good.
>
> Paul
>

I need another source for the Y cable beside Amazon.
Remember my account there has a snafu that they can't
resolve so I don't deal with them anymore.

I know what you mean about the lack of merchandize;
when I went looking for DVD+RDL's I went to 3 stores
and all of them had very little on the shelves and no
DVD-RDL's and ended up having to buy them eBay.

I'll leave the yellow triangles as is,...

How do I make FF my homepage in Win10? and then
make about:blank my homepage?.

Things still to do...

1. copy/paste My Documents from 8500 to 780
2.. buy molex cables for PCI 3.0 ports and attach to optical cable
3. created mrimg on 780 Win 10 when your satisfied
were done.
4. do the 8500 Win 10

Robert

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Paul wrote:
> On 1/15/2024 5:16 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>
>> Here's TreeViwer:
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/4HnSH70S
>>
>> Robert
>
> Yup. Looks good.
>
> Paul
>

I need another source for the Y cable beside Amazon.
Remember my account there has a snafu that they can't
resolve so I don't deal with them anymore.

I know what you mean about the lack of merchandize;
when I went looking for DVD+RDL's I went to 3 stores
and all of them had very little on the shelves and no
DVD-RDL's and ended up having to buy them eBay.

I'll leave the yellow triangles as is,...

How do I make FF my homepage in Win10? and then
make about:blank my homepage?.

Things still to do...

1. copy/paste My Documents from 8500 to 780
2. buy molex cables for PCI 3.0 ports and attach to optical cable
3. created mrimg on 780 Win 10 when your satisfied
were done.
4. do the 8500 Win 10

Robert

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Paul wrote:
> On 1/15/2024 5:16 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>
>> Here's TreeViwer:
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/4HnSH70S
>>
>> Robert
>
> Yup. Looks good.
>
> Paul
>

I mean I have FF as my browser but there's no homepage icon in
Win 10.

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On 1/15/2024 11:33 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>> On 1/15/2024 5:16 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>
>>> Here's TreeViwer:
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/4HnSH70S
>>>
>>> Robert
>>
>> Yup. Looks good.
>>
>>     Paul
>>
> I need another source for the Y cable beside Amazon.
> Remember my account there has a snafu that they can't
> resolve so I don't deal with them anymore.
>
> I know what you mean about the lack of merchandize;
> when I went looking for DVD+RDL's I went to 3 stores
> and all of them had very little on the shelves and no
> DVD-RDL's and ended up having to buy them eBay.
>
> I'll leave the yellow triangles as is,...
>
> How do I make FF my homepage in Win10? and then
> make about:blank my homepage?.
>
> Things still to do...
>
> 1. copy/paste My Documents from 8500 to 780
> 2. buy molex cables for PCI 3.0 ports and attach to optical cable
> 3. created mrimg on 780 Win 10 when your satisfied
>    were done.
> 4. do the 8500 Win 10
>
> Robert

You could get three or four of these. They're Molex Y but only 8".
Four would give a bit of slack. Per requirements, each USB port has
a 100uF electrolytic for VBus, and that's an anti-sag thing for
VBUS during inrush. Things like USB keys, are allowed 10uF of
capacitance for filtering, on their end. Intel, in its whitepaper
for designers, states that 100uF on the host end, helps provide
charge current to fill up a 10uF load on the peripheral. The
capacitors also help with things like your extension cable project.

Y-cable 8 inch legs, chain up to four to reach card and have slack $2.99 each

https://www.microcenter.com/product/322061/evercool-4-pin-molex-power-y-cable-8

These are too expensive for the length of wire provided. There's
more wire and materials in the previous item, so this is just gouging.

https://www.microcenter.com/product/618362/micro-connectors-4-pin-lp4-male-to-4-pin-lp4-female-power-extension-cable-10-in

*******

This is where you set the default browser.

Settings : Apps : Default Apps

*******

Setting the homepage is harder.

I didn't do a very good job on this one, it's not really coherent :-)
The purpose of adding the new preference, is to try to avoid the
homepage being overridden the next time the browser is updated
(which is quite often). Just because you add a preference, does not
mean the browser code uses the preference. It is a form of wishful
thinking.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/RF4VzzPp/firefox-fix-newpage.gif

Mozilla provides documentation, but it's guesswork as to what they really do.

https://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.startup.homepage_override.mstone

https://kb.mozillazine.org/Startup.homepage_override_url

Paul

Paul wrote:
> On 1/15/2024 11:33 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 1/15/2024 5:16 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here's TreeViwer:
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/4HnSH70S
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> Yup. Looks good.
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>>
>> I need another source for the Y cable beside Amazon.
>> Remember my account there has a snafu that they can't
>> resolve so I don't deal with them anymore.
>>
>> I know what you mean about the lack of merchandize;
>> when I went looking for DVD+RDL's I went to 3 stores
>> and all of them had very little on the shelves and no
>> DVD-RDL's and ended up having to buy them eBay.
>>
>> I'll leave the yellow triangles as is,...
>>
>> How do I make FF my homepage in Win10? and then
>> make about:blank my homepage?.
>>
>> Things still to do...
>>
>> 1. copy/paste My Documents from 8500 to 780
>> 2. buy molex cables for PCI 3.0 ports and attach to optical cable
>> 3. created mrimg on 780 Win 10 when your satisfied
>>    were done.
>> 4. do the 8500 Win 10
>>
>> Robert
>
> You could get three or four of these. They're Molex Y but only 8".
> Four would give a bit of slack. Per requirements, each USB port has
> a 100uF electrolytic for VBus, and that's an anti-sag thing for
> VBUS during inrush. Things like USB keys, are allowed 10uF of
> capacitance for filtering, on their end. Intel, in its whitepaper
> for designers, states that 100uF on the host end, helps provide
> charge current to fill up a 10uF load on the peripheral. The
> capacitors also help with things like your extension cable project.
>
> Y-cable 8 inch legs, chain up to four to reach card and have slack $2.99 each
>
> https://www.microcenter.com/product/322061/evercool-4-pin-molex-power-y-cable-8
>
> These are too expensive for the length of wire provided. There's
> more wire and materials in the previous item, so this is just gouging.
>
> https://www.microcenter.com/product/618362/micro-connectors-4-pin-lp4-male-to-4-pin-lp4-female-power-extension-cable-10-in
>
> *******
>
> This is where you set the default browser.
>
> Settings : Apps : Default Apps
>
> *******
>
> Setting the homepage is harder.
>
> I didn't do a very good job on this one, it's not really coherent :-)
> The purpose of adding the new preference, is to try to avoid the
> homepage being overridden the next time the browser is updated
> (which is quite often). Just because you add a preference, does not
> mean the browser code uses the preference. It is a form of wishful
> thinking.
>
> [Picture]
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/RF4VzzPp/firefox-fix-newpage.gif
>
> Mozilla provides documentation, but it's guesswork as to what they really do.
>
> https://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.startup.homepage_override.mstone
>
> https://kb.mozillazine.org/Startup.homepage_override_url
>
> Paul
>

Here's the inside of the 780:

https://postimg.cc/3W1pcT5L

I disconnected the optical drive
so the second connection down
the cable would have enough length
to reach my molex cable. I then
connected my molex cable to it
and we had success.

I'll order the cables on the 24th and the
1TB Patriot to copy/paste My Documents
from the 8500 to the 780.

I already set the Apps and FF as my
default browser.

I remember reading somewhere that
Win 10 doesn't have a homepage
like Win 7. They did away with it.

I read your instructions for about:blank,
and the Start-up homepage overide. whew!@!!

Hmmmmm seems allot like hacking ,..

and I never liked going into about:config
that's too dangerous. It seems that they did
do away with the homepage/icon on Win 10
because I didn't have to do all this on Win 7.

I think I'll leave it as is. I don't want to mess
things up just to get about blank and I didn't
realize it was going to be this much work.
We have enough on our plate as it is.

I guess I'll just have to get use to not having
it on Win 10.

Once I move My Documents and connect the
PCI card with 3.0 ports with molex cables. We
should be done and can run a mrimg on the 780
Win 10.

What do you think?

Robert

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On 1/16/2024 12:15 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>> On 1/15/2024 11:33 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>> Paul wrote:
>>>> On 1/15/2024 5:16 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Here's TreeViwer:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://postimg.cc/4HnSH70S
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>> Yup. Looks good.
>>>>
>>>>      Paul
>>>>
>>> I need another source for the Y cable beside Amazon.
>>> Remember my account there has a snafu that they can't
>>> resolve so I don't deal with them anymore.
>>>
>>> I know what you mean about the lack of merchandize;
>>> when I went looking for DVD+RDL's I went to 3 stores
>>> and all of them had very little on the shelves and no
>>> DVD-RDL's and ended up having to buy them eBay.
>>>
>>> I'll leave the yellow triangles as is,...
>>>
>>> How do I make FF my homepage in Win10? and then
>>> make about:blank my homepage?.
>>>
>>> Things still to do...
>>>
>>> 1. copy/paste My Documents from 8500 to 780
>>> 2. buy molex cables for PCI 3.0 ports and attach to optical cable
>>> 3. created mrimg on 780 Win 10 when your satisfied
>>>     were done.
>>> 4. do the 8500 Win 10
>>>
>>> Robert
>>
>> You could get three or four of these. They're Molex Y but only 8".
>> Four would give a bit of slack. Per requirements, each USB port has
>> a 100uF electrolytic for VBus, and that's an anti-sag thing for
>> VBUS during inrush. Things like USB keys, are allowed 10uF of
>> capacitance for filtering, on their end. Intel, in its whitepaper
>> for designers, states that 100uF on the host end, helps provide
>> charge current to fill up a 10uF load on the peripheral. The
>> capacitors also help with things like your extension cable project.
>>
>> Y-cable 8 inch legs, chain up to four to reach card and have slack  $2.99 each
>>
>>     https://www.microcenter.com/product/322061/evercool-4-pin-molex-power-y-cable-8
>>
>> These are too expensive for the length of wire provided. There's
>> more wire and materials in the previous item, so this is just gouging.
>>
>>     https://www.microcenter.com/product/618362/micro-connectors-4-pin-lp4-male-to-4-pin-lp4-female-power-extension-cable-10-in
>>
>> *******
>>
>> This is where you set the default browser.
>>
>> Settings : Apps : Default Apps
>>
>> *******
>>
>> Setting the homepage is harder.
>>
>> I didn't do a very good job on this one, it's not really coherent :-)
>> The purpose of adding the new preference, is to try to avoid the
>> homepage being overridden the next time the browser is updated
>> (which is quite often). Just because you add a preference, does not
>> mean the browser code uses the preference. It is a form of wishful
>> thinking.
>>
>>      [Picture]
>>
>>       https://i.postimg.cc/RF4VzzPp/firefox-fix-newpage.gif
>>
>> Mozilla provides documentation, but it's guesswork as to what they really do.
>>
>>     https://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.startup.homepage_override.mstone
>>
>>     https://kb.mozillazine.org/Startup.homepage_override_url
>>
>>   Paul
>>
>
>
>
>
> Here's the inside of the 780:
>
> https://postimg.cc/3W1pcT5L
>
> I disconnected the optical drive
> so the second connection down
> the cable would have enough length
> to reach my molex cable. I then
> connected my molex cable to it
> and we had success.
>
> I'll order the cables on the 24th and the
> 1TB Patriot to copy/paste My Documents
> from the 8500 to the 780.
>
> I already set the Apps and FF as my
> default browser.
>
> I remember reading somewhere that
> Win 10 doesn't have a homepage
> like Win 7. They did away with it.
>
> I read your instructions for about:blank,
> and the Start-up homepage overide. whew!@!!
>
> Hmmmmm seems allot like hacking ,..
>
> and I never liked going into about:config
> that's too dangerous. It seems that they did
> do away with the homepage/icon on Win 10
> because I didn't have to do all this on Win 7.
>
> I think I'll leave it as is. I don't want to mess
> things up just to get about blank and I didn't
> realize it was going to be this much work.
> We have enough on our plate as it is.
>
> I guess I'll just have to get use to not having
> it on Win 10.
>
> Once I move My Documents and connect the
> PCI card with 3.0 ports with molex cables. We
> should be done and can run a mrimg on the 780
> Win 10.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Robert

That sounds like a reasonable plan.

Paul

Paul wrote:
> On 1/16/2024 12:15 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 1/15/2024 11:33 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>>> Paul wrote:
>>>>> On 1/15/2024 5:16 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's TreeViwer:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/4HnSH70S
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>
>>>>> Yup. Looks good.
>>>>>
>>>>>      Paul
>>>>>
>>>> I need another source for the Y cable beside Amazon.
>>>> Remember my account there has a snafu that they can't
>>>> resolve so I don't deal with them anymore.
>>>>
>>>> I know what you mean about the lack of merchandize;
>>>> when I went looking for DVD+RDL's I went to 3 stores
>>>> and all of them had very little on the shelves and no
>>>> DVD-RDL's and ended up having to buy them eBay.
>>>>
>>>> I'll leave the yellow triangles as is,...
>>>>
>>>> How do I make FF my homepage in Win10? and then
>>>> make about:blank my homepage?.
>>>>
>>>> Things still to do...
>>>>
>>>> 1. copy/paste My Documents from 8500 to 780
>>>> 2. buy molex cables for PCI 3.0 ports and attach to optical cable
>>>> 3. created mrimg on 780 Win 10 when your satisfied
>>>>     were done.
>>>> 4. do the 8500 Win 10
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> You could get three or four of these. They're Molex Y but only 8".
>>> Four would give a bit of slack. Per requirements, each USB port has
>>> a 100uF electrolytic for VBus, and that's an anti-sag thing for
>>> VBUS during inrush. Things like USB keys, are allowed 10uF of
>>> capacitance for filtering, on their end. Intel, in its whitepaper
>>> for designers, states that 100uF on the host end, helps provide
>>> charge current to fill up a 10uF load on the peripheral. The
>>> capacitors also help with things like your extension cable project.
>>>
>>> Y-cable 8 inch legs, chain up to four to reach card and have slack  $2.99 each
>>>
>>>     https://www.microcenter.com/product/322061/evercool-4-pin-molex-power-y-cable-8
>>>
>>> These are too expensive for the length of wire provided. There's
>>> more wire and materials in the previous item, so this is just gouging.
>>>
>>>     https://www.microcenter.com/product/618362/micro-connectors-4-pin-lp4-male-to-4-pin-lp4-female-power-extension-cable-10-in
>>>
>>> *******
>>>
>>> This is where you set the default browser.
>>>
>>> Settings : Apps : Default Apps
>>>
>>> *******
>>>
>>> Setting the homepage is harder.
>>>
>>> I didn't do a very good job on this one, it's not really coherent :-)
>>> The purpose of adding the new preference, is to try to avoid the
>>> homepage being overridden the next time the browser is updated
>>> (which is quite often). Just because you add a preference, does not
>>> mean the browser code uses the preference. It is a form of wishful
>>> thinking.
>>>
>>>      [Picture]
>>>
>>>       https://i.postimg.cc/RF4VzzPp/firefox-fix-newpage.gif
>>>
>>> Mozilla provides documentation, but it's guesswork as to what they really do.
>>>
>>>     https://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.startup.homepage_override.mstone
>>>
>>>     https://kb.mozillazine.org/Startup.homepage_override_url
>>>
>>>   Paul
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Here's the inside of the 780:
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/3W1pcT5L
>>
>> I disconnected the optical drive
>> so the second connection down
>> the cable would have enough length
>> to reach my molex cable. I then
>> connected my molex cable to it
>> and we had success.
>>
>> I'll order the cables on the 24th and the
>> 1TB Patriot to copy/paste My Documents
>> from the 8500 to the 780.
>>
>> I already set the Apps and FF as my
>> default browser.
>>
>> I remember reading somewhere that
>> Win 10 doesn't have a homepage
>> like Win 7. They did away with it.
>>
>> I read your instructions for about:blank,
>> and the Start-up homepage overide. whew!@!!
>>
>> Hmmmmm seems allot like hacking ,..
>>
>> and I never liked going into about:config
>> that's too dangerous. It seems that they did
>> do away with the homepage/icon on Win 10
>> because I didn't have to do all this on Win 7.
>>
>> I think I'll leave it as is. I don't want to mess
>> things up just to get about blank and I didn't
>> realize it was going to be this much work.
>> We have enough on our plate as it is.
>>
>> I guess I'll just have to get use to not having
>> it on Win 10.
>>
>> Once I move My Documents and connect the
>> PCI card with 3.0 ports with molex cables. We
>> should be done and can run a mrimg on the 780
>> Win 10.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Robert
>
> That sounds like a reasonable plan.
>
> Paul
>

So for now we can take a break and I'll order the molex
cables from your links and the 1TB Patriot stick on the
24th and will let you know when I get them and we can
resume.

Thanks,
Robert

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On 1/16/2024 7:17 PM, RobnCA wrote:

>
> So for now we can take a break and I'll order the molex
> cables from your links and the 1TB Patriot stick on the
> 24th and will let you know when I get them and we can
> resume.
>
> Thanks,
> Robert

OK.

Paul

Paul wrote:
> On 1/16/2024 7:17 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>
>>
>> So for now we can take a break and I'll order the molex
>> cables from your links and the 1TB Patriot stick on the
>> 24th and will let you know when I get them and we can
>> resume.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Robert
>
> OK.
>
> Paul
>
>

I went back and reviewed the links for the molex cables.
It seems it will work with just (2) Startech molex cables
so where do I splice in the Y-molex cable?

Thanks,
Robert

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Paul wrote:
> On 1/16/2024 7:17 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>
>>
>> So for now we can take a break and I'll order the molex
>> cables from your links and the 1TB Patriot stick on the
>> 24th and will let you know when I get them and we can
>> resume.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Robert
>
> OK.
>
> Paul
>
>

How do I turn off the Windows backup pop-up
that keeps popping up?

https://postimg.cc/ppSMfMcz

Thanks,
Robert

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