On 1/18/2024 5:33 PM, RobnCA wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>> On 1/16/2024 7:17 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>
> I went back and reviewed the links for the molex cables.
> It seems it will work with just (2) Startech molex cables
> so where do I splice in the Y-molex cable?
>
> Thanks,
> Robert

Picking off the connection from the back of
the optical drive is good. There might not be a
lot of other points with a Molex in there.

Have a look around and see if you can spot any more
Molex in there. The optical drive might be the area
with them.

There are SATA to Molex and Molex to SATA cables, but those
might not be long enough, and then you have to decide
whether a right-angle or a straight cable fits best.

Paul

On 1/19/2024 11:32 PM, RobnCA wrote:

> How do I turn off the Windows backup pop-up
> that keeps popping up?
>
> https://postimg.cc/ppSMfMcz
>
> Thanks,
> Robert

Settings : System : Notifications & Actions

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/sXDmY2Xk/w10-notifications.gif

Those will get switched back on, during a Repair install
or a Clean install.

Paul

Paul wrote:
> On 1/19/2024 11:32 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>
>> How do I turn off the Windows backup pop-up
>> that keeps popping up?
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/ppSMfMcz
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Robert
>
> Settings : System : Notifications & Actions
>
> [Picture]
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/sXDmY2Xk/w10-notifications.gif
>
> Those will get switched back on, during a Repair install
> or a Clean install.
>
> Paul
>

So were just covering all the bases with the Y- connector;
I've thought about it and I think just (2-3) Startech cables
will work. Just connect them in tandem and then my molex
cable with the connection at the end connects to the optical
cable.

There doesn't seem to be any other molex connections. The
only other connection is the extra hd connection(black).

https://postimg.cc/QBFGsMdn

I followed your instructions and turned off the notifications
and restarted the computer to install updates and all looks
good.

I'll order the Patriots 1 TB sticks and molex cables on the 24th,.....

Thanks,
Robert

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On 1/20/2024 7:34 PM, Robert in CA wrote:

> So were just covering all the bases with the Y- connector;
> I've thought about it and I think just (2-3) Startech cables
> will work. Just connect them in tandem and then my molex
> cable with the connection at the end connects to the optical
> cable.
>
> There doesn't seem to be any other molex connections. The
> only other connection is the extra hd connection(black).
>
> https://postimg.cc/QBFGsMdn
>
>
> I followed your instructions and turned off the notifications
> and restarted the computer to install  updates and all looks
> good.
>
> I'll order the Patriots 1 TB sticks and molex cables on the 24th,.....
>
>
> Thanks,
> Robert

One of the chains has two Molex on it, and the end Molex goes
to your optical drive. The other Molex is open and could be
used for an extension cable.

The two connectors in the drive bay area, those are SATA aren't they ?

One thing I notice about your USB3 card, is it has three rather large
green capacitors on the board, as if someone has modded the board ???
It does not match the Newegg picture perfectly.

https://www.newegg.com/vantec-model-ugt-pc345-pci-express-to-usb-card/p/N82E16815287019

Paul

Paul wrote:
> On 1/20/2024 7:34 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>
>> So were just covering all the bases with the Y- connector;
>> I've thought about it and I think just (2-3) Startech cables
>> will work. Just connect them in tandem and then my molex
>> cable with the connection at the end connects to the optical
>> cable.
>>
>> There doesn't seem to be any other molex connections. The
>> only other connection is the extra hd connection(black).
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/QBFGsMdn
>>
>>
>> I followed your instructions and turned off the notifications
>> and restarted the computer to install  updates and all looks
>> good.
>>
>> I'll order the Patriots 1 TB sticks and molex cables on the 24th,.....
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Robert
>
> One of the chains has two Molex on it, and the end Molex goes
> to your optical drive. The other Molex is open and could be
> used for an extension cable.
>
> The two connectors in the drive bay area, those are SATA aren't they ?
>
> One thing I notice about your USB3 card, is it has three rather large
> green capacitors on the board, as if someone has modded the board ???
> It does not match the Newegg picture perfectly.
>
> https://www.newegg.com/vantec-model-ugt-pc345-pci-express-to-usb-card/p/N82E16815287019
>
> Paul
>

OIC, you want me to use the Y connection at the PCI card
and then attach the molex cables on one side leaving the other
open. Yes, those are SATA connections and where I connect to
the optical cable.

Hmmm interesting about the card,, I'll take pics of it for you
when I do the cables.

Were getting close to finishing,. then create a mrimg and were
done.

Then we turn to the 8500,......

Thanks,
Robert

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On 1/21/2024 7:10 AM, RobnCA wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>> On 1/20/2024 7:34 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>
>>> So were just covering all the bases with the Y- connector;
>>> I've thought about it and I think just (2-3) Startech cables
>>> will work. Just connect them in tandem and then my molex
>>> cable with the connection at the end connects to the optical
>>> cable.
>>>
>>> There doesn't seem to be any other molex connections. The
>>> only other connection is the extra hd connection(black).
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/QBFGsMdn
>>>
>>>
>>> I followed your instructions and turned off the notifications
>>> and restarted the computer to install  updates and all looks
>>> good.
>>>
>>> I'll order the Patriots 1 TB sticks and molex cables on the 24th,.....
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Robert
>>
>> One of the chains has two Molex on it, and the end Molex goes
>> to your optical drive. The other Molex is open and could be
>> used for an extension cable.
>>
>> The two connectors in the drive bay area, those are SATA aren't they ?
>>
>> One thing I notice about your USB3 card, is it has three rather large
>> green capacitors on the board, as if someone has modded the board ???
>> It does not match the Newegg picture perfectly.
>>
>> https://www.newegg.com/vantec-model-ugt-pc345-pci-express-to-usb-card/p/N82E16815287019
>>
>>      Paul
>>
>
>
>
> OIC, you want me to use the Y connection at the PCI card
> and then attach the molex cables on one side leaving the other
> open. Yes, those are SATA connections and where I connect to
> the optical cable.
>
> Hmmm interesting about the card,, I'll take pics of it for you
> when I do the cables.
>
> Were getting close to finishing,. then create a mrimg and were
> done.
>
> Then we turn to the 8500,......
>
> Thanks,
> Robert

Where the optical drive power was connected before,
you can fit a Y-cable between it and the drive, and
then end up with an extra power connection to use
elsewhere.

The other Y-cables, it would make more sense if they were
straight extension cables, but the price determines what
you buy, rather than the practicality. In the picture,
I just wrapped ties around them to tidy them up a bit.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/J7vCcDNb/Y-cables-for-power.jpg

Paul

Paul wrote:
> On 1/21/2024 7:10 AM, RobnCA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 1/20/2024 7:34 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>>
>>>> So were just covering all the bases with the Y- connector;
>>>> I've thought about it and I think just (2-3) Startech cables
>>>> will work. Just connect them in tandem and then my molex
>>>> cable with the connection at the end connects to the optical
>>>> cable.
>>>>
>>>> There doesn't seem to be any other molex connections. The
>>>> only other connection is the extra hd connection(black).
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/QBFGsMdn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I followed your instructions and turned off the notifications
>>>> and restarted the computer to install  updates and all looks
>>>> good.
>>>>
>>>> I'll order the Patriots 1 TB sticks and molex cables on the 24th,.....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> One of the chains has two Molex on it, and the end Molex goes
>>> to your optical drive. The other Molex is open and could be
>>> used for an extension cable.
>>>
>>> The two connectors in the drive bay area, those are SATA aren't they ?
>>>
>>> One thing I notice about your USB3 card, is it has three rather large
>>> green capacitors on the board, as if someone has modded the board ???
>>> It does not match the Newegg picture perfectly.
>>>
>>> https://www.newegg.com/vantec-model-ugt-pc345-pci-express-to-usb-card/p/N82E16815287019
>>>
>>>      Paul
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> OIC, you want me to use the Y connection at the PCI card
>> and then attach the molex cables on one side leaving the other
>> open. Yes, those are SATA connections and where I connect to
>> the optical cable.
>>
>> Hmmm interesting about the card,, I'll take pics of it for you
>> when I do the cables.
>>
>> Were getting close to finishing,. then create a mrimg and were
>> done.
>>
>> Then we turn to the 8500,......
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Robert
>
> Where the optical drive power was connected before,
> you can fit a Y-cable between it and the drive, and
> then end up with an extra power connection to use
> elsewhere.
>
> The other Y-cables, it would make more sense if they were
> straight extension cables, but the price determines what
> you buy, rather than the practicality. In the picture,
> I just wrapped ties around them to tidy them up a bit.
>
> [Picture]
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/J7vCcDNb/Y-cables-for-power.jpg
>
> Paul
>

I can't connect the Y cable to the optical cable because
its a SATA connection. Instead, I was thinking of connecting
it to the PCI card end and then attach the Startech cables
to it and finally the molex cable that came with the kit that
has the SATA connector to connect to the optical cable and
that would still leave one extra connection.

I'm a little apprehensive about the 8500 Win 10 and what
we'll find. If it is even Win 10 or Win 7 Pro? There shouldn't
be another User Account with pin number that I'll have to
hack around. If there is then it means it came with the Win 10
upgrade.

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On 1/21/2024 11:13 PM, Robert in CA wrote:

> I can't connect the Y cable to the optical cable because
> its a SATA connection. Instead, I was thinking of connecting
> it to the PCI card end and then attach the Startech cables
> to it and finally the molex cable that came with the kit that
> has the SATA connector to connect to the optical cable and
> that would still leave one extra connection.
>
> I'm a little apprehensive about the 8500 Win 10 and what
> we'll find. If it is even Win 10 or Win 7 Pro? There shouldn't
> be another User Account with pin number that I'll have to
> hack around. If there is then it means it came with the Win 10
> upgrade.
>
> Robert

There used to be a free upgrade. The offer closed a couple months ago.

Install Win10
__/ Win7 SP1 ---------------------------- Win10 (license registers itself
| \ Win 8.1 ------------------ with a Microsoft server)
| |____ Qualifying OS
OS has license

You would not have to use the OS at that point. Once the disk drive
has booted once or twice,

slmgr /dlv

would tell you the OS was "licensed". This is just to show you
what the dialog looks like that presents the info when you ask.
Then, if you installed the OS on that same computer two years
later, it would report itself "licensed", without any extra ceremonies.

That is why you would have wanted to install it two years ago.
Just to "generate" a license for the day you actually wanted the OS.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/bJxHZmtw/win11-slmgr-dlv-window.gif

Paul

Paul wrote:
> On 1/21/2024 11:13 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>
>> I can't connect the Y cable to the optical cable because
>> its a SATA connection. Instead, I was thinking of connecting
>> it to the PCI card end and then attach the Startech cables
>> to it and finally the molex cable that came with the kit that
>> has the SATA connector to connect to the optical cable and
>> that would still leave one extra connection.
>>
>> I'm a little apprehensive about the 8500 Win 10 and what
>> we'll find. If it is even Win 10 or Win 7 Pro? There shouldn't
>> be another User Account with pin number that I'll have to
>> hack around. If there is then it means it came with the Win 10
>> upgrade.
>>
>> Robert
>
> There used to be a free upgrade. The offer closed a couple months ago.
>
> Install Win10
> __/ Win7 SP1 ---------------------------- Win10 (license registers itself
> | \ Win 8.1 ------------------ with a Microsoft server)
> |
> |____ Qualifying OS
> OS has license
>
> You would not have to use the OS at that point. Once the disk drive
> has booted once or twice,
>
> slmgr /dlv
>
> would tell you the OS was "licensed". This is just to show you
> what the dialog looks like that presents the info when you ask.
> Then, if you installed the OS on that same computer two years
> later, it would report itself "licensed", without any extra ceremonies.
>
> That is why you would have wanted to install it two years ago.
> Just to "generate" a license for the day you actually wanted the OS.
>
> [Picture]
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/bJxHZmtw/win11-slmgr-dlv-window.gif
>
> Paul
>

I believe we did the free upgrade some time ago when
they offered it but we won't know for sure until I
switch hd's.

If the 8500 had more than one bay for hd's I would
install the Win 10 hd so we could see what we have
and do your commands. Unfortunately, it has only
the one bay. So we have to wait until we get the 780
completed because that's going to be my only means
of communication once I switch hd's on the 8500 and
put in the Win 10 hd.

Robert

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On 1/22/2024 1:01 AM, RobnCA wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>> On 1/21/2024 11:13 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>
>>> I can't connect the Y cable to the optical cable because
>>> its a SATA connection. Instead, I was thinking of connecting
>>> it to the PCI card end and then attach the Startech cables
>>> to it and finally the molex cable that came with the kit that
>>> has the SATA connector to connect to the optical cable and
>>> that would still leave one extra connection.
>>>
>>> I'm a little apprehensive about the 8500 Win 10 and what
>>> we'll find. If it is even Win 10 or Win 7 Pro? There shouldn't
>>> be another User Account with pin number that I'll have to
>>> hack around. If there is then it means it came with the Win 10
>>> upgrade.
>>>
>>> Robert
>>
>> There used to be a free upgrade. The offer closed a couple months ago.
>>
>>                       Install Win10
>>   __/ Win7 SP1 ---------------------------- Win10 (license registers itself
>> |  \ Win 8.1  ------------------           with a Microsoft server)
>> |
>> |____ Qualifying OS
>>        OS has license
>>
>> You would not have to use the OS at that point. Once the disk drive
>> has booted once or twice,
>>
>>      slmgr /dlv
>>
>> would tell you the OS was "licensed". This is just to show you
>> what the dialog looks like that presents the info when you ask.
>> Then, if you installed the OS on that same computer two years
>> later, it would report itself "licensed", without any extra ceremonies.
>>
>> That is why you would have wanted to install it two years ago.
>> Just to "generate" a license for the day you actually wanted the OS.
>>
>>      [Picture]
>>
>>       https://i.postimg.cc/bJxHZmtw/win11-slmgr-dlv-window.gif
>>
>>     Paul
>>
>
>
>
> I believe we did the free upgrade some time ago when
> they offered it but we won't know for sure until I
> switch hd's.
>
> If the 8500 had more than one bay for hd's I would
> install the Win 10 hd so we could see what we have
> and do your commands. Unfortunately, it has only
> the one bay. So we have to wait until we get the 780
> completed because that's going to be my only means
> of communication once I switch hd's on the 8500 and
> put in the Win 10 hd.
>
> Robert

The Owners Manual for the 8500, shows there is a "cage" that
bolts next to the primary drive, and that is where a secondary
drive might go.

But you can see this better than I can.

The optical drive bays (two of them), could hold hard drives.

The primary hard drive apparently bolts to a structure in the chassis.
And there is a cage very close to that, the cage bolts to the chassis,
and has fingers that slide into the chassis metal to secure it
while you are fitting the bolts.

It is not very convenient, that sort of thing. Bolting and unbolting
them takes time.

It's possible you may be able to fit a second drive... without
having to resort to a "rail-kit" to do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS9HaguwtsE

Paul

Paul wrote:
> On 1/22/2024 1:01 AM, RobnCA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 1/21/2024 11:13 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can't connect the Y cable to the optical cable because
>>>> its a SATA connection. Instead, I was thinking of connecting
>>>> it to the PCI card end and then attach the Startech cables
>>>> to it and finally the molex cable that came with the kit that
>>>> has the SATA connector to connect to the optical cable and
>>>> that would still leave one extra connection.
>>>>
>>>> I'm a little apprehensive about the 8500 Win 10 and what
>>>> we'll find. If it is even Win 10 or Win 7 Pro? There shouldn't
>>>> be another User Account with pin number that I'll have to
>>>> hack around. If there is then it means it came with the Win 10
>>>> upgrade.
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> There used to be a free upgrade. The offer closed a couple months ago.
>>>
>>>                       Install Win10
>>>   __/ Win7 SP1 ---------------------------- Win10 (license registers itself
>>> |  \ Win 8.1  ------------------           with a Microsoft server)
>>> |
>>> |____ Qualifying OS
>>>        OS has license
>>>
>>> You would not have to use the OS at that point. Once the disk drive
>>> has booted once or twice,
>>>
>>>      slmgr /dlv
>>>
>>> would tell you the OS was "licensed". This is just to show you
>>> what the dialog looks like that presents the info when you ask.
>>> Then, if you installed the OS on that same computer two years
>>> later, it would report itself "licensed", without any extra ceremonies.
>>>
>>> That is why you would have wanted to install it two years ago.
>>> Just to "generate" a license for the day you actually wanted the OS.
>>>
>>>      [Picture]
>>>
>>>       https://i.postimg.cc/bJxHZmtw/win11-slmgr-dlv-window.gif
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I believe we did the free upgrade some time ago when
>> they offered it but we won't know for sure until I
>> switch hd's.
>>
>> If the 8500 had more than one bay for hd's I would
>> install the Win 10 hd so we could see what we have
>> and do your commands. Unfortunately, it has only
>> the one bay. So we have to wait until we get the 780
>> completed because that's going to be my only means
>> of communication once I switch hd's on the 8500 and
>> put in the Win 10 hd.
>>
>> Robert
>
> The Owners Manual for the 8500, shows there is a "cage" that
> bolts next to the primary drive, and that is where a secondary
> drive might go.
>
> But you can see this better than I can.
>
> The optical drive bays (two of them), could hold hard drives.
>
> The primary hard drive apparently bolts to a structure in the chassis.
> And there is a cage very close to that, the cage bolts to the chassis,
> and has fingers that slide into the chassis metal to secure it
> while you are fitting the bolts.
>
> It is not very convenient, that sort of thing. Bolting and unbolting
> them takes time.
>
> It's possible you may be able to fit a second drive... without
> having to resort to a "rail-kit" to do it.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS9HaguwtsE
>
> Paul
>
>

I installed the Win 10 hd in the 8500. It only had 3 holes for screws.
if there was a fourth hole I couldn't see it and was too far back for me
to reach anyways. I took pics but for some reason they didn't show up
when I cut/pasted the file to the computer. Anyways it had another
strange user account that I couldn't get past that required a pin number
or Microsoft password. So it looks like were going to have to hack again
but at this point I don't even have a user account. I tried to do a
Ctrl-Alt-Delete but it had no effect.

If you want I can open it up again and switch the cables and take pics
so you can see for yourself.

Robert

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Paul wrote:
> On 1/22/2024 1:01 AM, RobnCA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 1/21/2024 11:13 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can't connect the Y cable to the optical cable because
>>>> its a SATA connection. Instead, I was thinking of connecting
>>>> it to the PCI card end and then attach the Startech cables
>>>> to it and finally the molex cable that came with the kit that
>>>> has the SATA connector to connect to the optical cable and
>>>> that would still leave one extra connection.
>>>>
>>>> I'm a little apprehensive about the 8500 Win 10 and what
>>>> we'll find. If it is even Win 10 or Win 7 Pro? There shouldn't
>>>> be another User Account with pin number that I'll have to
>>>> hack around. If there is then it means it came with the Win 10
>>>> upgrade.
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> There used to be a free upgrade. The offer closed a couple months ago.
>>>
>>>                       Install Win10
>>>   __/ Win7 SP1 ---------------------------- Win10 (license registers itself
>>> |  \ Win 8.1  ------------------           with a Microsoft server)
>>> |
>>> |____ Qualifying OS
>>>        OS has license
>>>
>>> You would not have to use the OS at that point. Once the disk drive
>>> has booted once or twice,
>>>
>>>      slmgr /dlv
>>>
>>> would tell you the OS was "licensed". This is just to show you
>>> what the dialog looks like that presents the info when you ask.
>>> Then, if you installed the OS on that same computer two years
>>> later, it would report itself "licensed", without any extra ceremonies.
>>>
>>> That is why you would have wanted to install it two years ago.
>>> Just to "generate" a license for the day you actually wanted the OS.
>>>
>>>      [Picture]
>>>
>>>       https://i.postimg.cc/bJxHZmtw/win11-slmgr-dlv-window.gif
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I believe we did the free upgrade some time ago when
>> they offered it but we won't know for sure until I
>> switch hd's.
>>
>> If the 8500 had more than one bay for hd's I would
>> install the Win 10 hd so we could see what we have
>> and do your commands. Unfortunately, it has only
>> the one bay. So we have to wait until we get the 780
>> completed because that's going to be my only means
>> of communication once I switch hd's on the 8500 and
>> put in the Win 10 hd.
>>
>> Robert
>
> The Owners Manual for the 8500, shows there is a "cage" that
> bolts next to the primary drive, and that is where a secondary
> drive might go.
>
> But you can see this better than I can.
>
> The optical drive bays (two of them), could hold hard drives.
>
> The primary hard drive apparently bolts to a structure in the chassis.
> And there is a cage very close to that, the cage bolts to the chassis,
> and has fingers that slide into the chassis metal to secure it
> while you are fitting the bolts.
>
> It is not very convenient, that sort of thing. Bolting and unbolting
> them takes time.
>
> It's possible you may be able to fit a second drive... without
> having to resort to a "rail-kit" to do it.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS9HaguwtsE
>
> Paul
>
>

I switched the cables again,, here's the 8500 Win 10

https://postimg.cc/Mcb65HXR

https://postimg.cc/xkYYXQgd

https://postimg.cc/Mffgs3t4

I bought the 1TB Patriot sticks and I tried to buy the Startech
molex cables but there doesn't seem to be a way to pay for them?
I also tried to buy the Y cable but I had to have a cell phone number.

Could you please send me links so I can order and pay? Preferably
through PayPal.

Thanks,
Robert

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Paul wrote:
> On 1/22/2024 1:01 AM, RobnCA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 1/21/2024 11:13 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can't connect the Y cable to the optical cable because
>>>> its a SATA connection. Instead, I was thinking of connecting
>>>> it to the PCI card end and then attach the Startech cables
>>>> to it and finally the molex cable that came with the kit that
>>>> has the SATA connector to connect to the optical cable and
>>>> that would still leave one extra connection.
>>>>
>>>> I'm a little apprehensive about the 8500 Win 10 and what
>>>> we'll find. If it is even Win 10 or Win 7 Pro? There shouldn't
>>>> be another User Account with pin number that I'll have to
>>>> hack around. If there is then it means it came with the Win 10
>>>> upgrade.
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> There used to be a free upgrade. The offer closed a couple months ago.
>>>
>>>                       Install Win10
>>>   __/ Win7 SP1 ---------------------------- Win10 (license registers itself
>>> |  \ Win 8.1  ------------------           with a Microsoft server)
>>> |
>>> |____ Qualifying OS
>>>        OS has license
>>>
>>> You would not have to use the OS at that point. Once the disk drive
>>> has booted once or twice,
>>>
>>>      slmgr /dlv
>>>
>>> would tell you the OS was "licensed". This is just to show you
>>> what the dialog looks like that presents the info when you ask.
>>> Then, if you installed the OS on that same computer two years
>>> later, it would report itself "licensed", without any extra ceremonies.
>>>
>>> That is why you would have wanted to install it two years ago.
>>> Just to "generate" a license for the day you actually wanted the OS.
>>>
>>>      [Picture]
>>>
>>>       https://i.postimg.cc/bJxHZmtw/win11-slmgr-dlv-window.gif
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I believe we did the free upgrade some time ago when
>> they offered it but we won't know for sure until I
>> switch hd's.
>>
>> If the 8500 had more than one bay for hd's I would
>> install the Win 10 hd so we could see what we have
>> and do your commands. Unfortunately, it has only
>> the one bay. So we have to wait until we get the 780
>> completed because that's going to be my only means
>> of communication once I switch hd's on the 8500 and
>> put in the Win 10 hd.
>>
>> Robert
>
> The Owners Manual for the 8500, shows there is a "cage" that
> bolts next to the primary drive, and that is where a secondary
> drive might go.
>
> But you can see this better than I can.
>
> The optical drive bays (two of them), could hold hard drives.
>
> The primary hard drive apparently bolts to a structure in the chassis.
> And there is a cage very close to that, the cage bolts to the chassis,
> and has fingers that slide into the chassis metal to secure it
> while you are fitting the bolts.
>
> It is not very convenient, that sort of thing. Bolting and unbolting
> them takes time.
>
> It's possible you may be able to fit a second drive... without
> having to resort to a "rail-kit" to do it.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS9HaguwtsE
>
> Paul
>
>

I bought the Startech molex cables off of eBay,...I'm having trouble
finding the Y connection though......will this Y connection work? It has
double set of wires though,..

https://www.ebay.com/itm/175010156703?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28&com_cvv=d30042528f072ba8a22b19c81250437cd47a2f30330f0ed03551c4efdaf3409e

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On 1/24/2024 8:06 PM, Robert in CA wrote:

>
> I bought the Startech molex cables off of eBay,...
> I'm having trouble finding the Y connection though......
> will this Y connection work? It has double set of wires though,..
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/175010156703?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28&com_cvv=d30042528f072ba8a22b19c81250437cd47a2f30330f0ed03551c4efdaf3409e
>
> Robert

That looks like a Y cable. The seller claims 8" of wire.
You can figure out how many you need to reach from available
power connector to the card connector.

Paul

On 1/24/2024 5:58 AM, Robert in CA wrote:

> I switched the cables again,, here's the 8500 Win 10
>
> https://postimg.cc/Mcb65HXR
>
> https://postimg.cc/xkYYXQgd
>
> https://postimg.cc/Mffgs3t4
>
> I bought the 1TB Patriot sticks and I tried to buy the Startech
> molex cables but there doesn't seem to be a way to pay for them?
> I also tried to buy the Y cable but I had to have a cell phone number.
>
> Could you please send me links so I can order and pay? Preferably
> through PayPal.
>
> Thanks,
> Robert

I gather then, you have never ever logged into that Win10 ?

*******

Using your Macrium CD, you can back up that OS installation
if you want, and start again :-)

Remember, you're now armed with Windows 10 installation media,
22H2 version. That's your dual layer DVD disc. You are now
"more capable" than you were previously. You can do a Clean Install
using the DVD. That's why we made it.

We don't know what it looks like, but say the disk layout looks like this.
You could back this up and put it on an external, using your
Macrium rescue CD as boot media during the backup.

Boot Macrium CD

+------+----------------+------------------+
| MBR | Win10 foreign | System Reserved | ===> Store on external drive, label backup as "8500-foreign.mrimg"
+------+----------------+------------------+

Are there any other materials on the disk drive that you know of,
which are important or need special treatment ? Are any of your
backups on that drive, somewhere ? If there are, that's going to
take a lot of space if just backed up. If the C: on that drive
just has 20GB of stuff, it won't take that much space to back it up.

Once you've shut down, you can unplug the external, so that only
the internal "foreign" drive is present. Start up the Macrium CD again,
and use the black Command Prompt icon.

diskpart
list disk
select disk 0
clean all # This will zero every bit of the drive so no foreign matter remains...
# Do not do this, if you are unsure of what is on the drive.
# This could take hours to run.
exit # Exit diskpart
exit # Command Prompt window in the Macrium desktop closes

The "clean" command, only removes the MBR and GPT partition tables.
Whereas "clean all" removes every byte stored on the drive.

Shut down Macrium (remove the CD before clicking shutdown, insert the Win10 DVD but leave the tray open)

Now, you can boot the Win10 media. Power up the PC, do a default install of Win10.

It's going to ask you all sorts of stupid questions. For example, if it asks for
an email address, don't give it an email address. That means you're using an MSA
(MicroSoftAccount). You want to use a local account, and if you want an MSA,
that can be added later without screwing up the home directory name.

Step 25 here "To Set Up Windows 10 with a Local Account"

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/1950-clean-install-windows-10-a.html?s=e485187b61f5cc4bff768ab0aa071b41

If Windows 10 Pro (version 2004), click/tap on the Offline account link at the bottom left. <===

https://www.tenforums.com/attachments/tutorials/220237d1547055736-clean-install-windows-10-a-local-1.png

Then you should be able to use Rob as an account and so on.
The account you create will be the Administrator account, so
name it according to your preference. If you want to create
an un-elevated account later, you can. But the first account is
Administrator-capable, so you don't lose control of the install.

Anyway, try out your skills and give the install a go.

If you need to "bring back" the foreign installation, you have
a backup of it, which can use if necessary.

Paul

Paul wrote:
> On 1/24/2024 8:06 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>
>>
>> I bought the Startech molex cables off of eBay,...
>> I'm having trouble finding the Y connection though......
>> will this Y connection work? It has double set of wires though,..
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/175010156703?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28&com_cvv=d30042528f072ba8a22b19c81250437cd47a2f30330f0ed03551c4efdaf3409e
>>
>> Robert
>
> That looks like a Y cable. The seller claims 8" of wire.
> You can figure out how many you need to reach from available
> power connector to the card connector.
>
> Paul
>

I bought the Y connection cable.

Correct, I have never logged in to the 8500 Win 10

I need to re-read it again.. I'm trying to follow what
you're saying...I create a mrimg as is of the 8500 Win10
just in case. Then you want me to use the 22H2 to do a
clean install correct? I have nothing on the 8500 Win 10
It's all on Win 7 Pro.

However, before we do anything to the 8500 I want to
finish the 780. There's still some things I need to do like
copy/pasting My Documents to Win 10 and over write
My Documents in Win 7 to bring it up to date and
connecting the PCI cables.

Once done I want to create a mrimg, so we don't loose our
work.

I have prepared though by putting all the links I'll need
once I have Win 10 operational,. my bookmarks, My
Documents, my A/V suite is all on a Patriot. Except for
My Documents but it soon will be when I get the 1TB
Patriot sticks.

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Paul wrote:
> On 1/24/2024 8:06 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>
>>
>> I bought the Startech molex cables off of eBay,...
>> I'm having trouble finding the Y connection though......
>> will this Y connection work? It has double set of wires though,..
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/175010156703?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28&com_cvv=d30042528f072ba8a22b19c81250437cd47a2f30330f0ed03551c4efdaf3409e
>>
>> Robert
>
> That looks like a Y cable. The seller claims 8" of wire.
> You can figure out how many you need to reach from available
> power connector to the card connector.
>
> Paul
>

1. I was reading through the instructions for a clean
install of Windows 10. I assume I have all the
requirements.

2. Create a bootable Win10 USB? I believe we did that and put the ISO on
a ScanDisk with the USB Adaptor.

3. disconnect all other hd's

I have my 8500 product key is that the same thing?

Your instructions are easier to follow.

.... on step 25 you start with a bogus phone number but it ends with
having to enter an email address. OIC that's where I create a Admin
Account. I think I'm getting a handle on it but as I say we need to
finish the 780 first then we can turn to the 8500.

I think when the cables arrive I'm going to remove the PCI card and do
the cabling
outside of the computer because its pretty restricted space inside the
computer and
difficult to remove the cable.

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On 1/25/2024 2:11 PM, RobnCA wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>> On 1/24/2024 8:06 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I bought the Startech molex cables off of eBay,...
>>> I'm having trouble finding the Y connection though......
>>> will this Y connection work? It has double set of wires though,..
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/175010156703?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28&com_cvv=d30042528f072ba8a22b19c81250437cd47a2f30330f0ed03551c4efdaf3409e
>>>
>>> Robert
>>
>> That looks like a Y cable. The seller claims 8" of wire.
>> You can figure out how many you need to reach from available
>> power connector to the card connector.
>>
>>     Paul
>>
>
>
> 1. I was reading through the instructions for a clean
>     install of Windows 10. I assume I have all the
>     requirements.
>
> 2. Create a bootable Win10 USB? I believe we did that and put the ISO on a
>     ScanDisk with the USB Adaptor.
>
>  3. disconnect all other hd's
>
> I have my 8500 product key is that the same thing?
>
> Your instructions are easier to follow.
>
> ... on step 25 you start with a bogus phone number but it ends with having to enter an email address. OIC that's where I create a Admin Account. I think I'm getting a handle on it but as I say we need to finish the 780 first then we can turn to the 8500.
>
> I think when the cables arrive I'm going to remove the PCI card and do the cabling
> outside of the computer because its pretty restricted space inside the computer and
> difficult to remove the cable.
>
> Robert

Where it is marked in Yellow here, you want "Offline Account" and
no email addresses to be entered.

https://www.tenforums.com/attachments/tutorials/220237d1547055736-clean-install-windows-10-a-local-1.png

Using the Yellow thing, you enter a local account of "Rob", your home directory
will be Rob. In other words, that Yellow thing is the path to work
as if it was Windows 7 when defining an account.

If you use the email address method, it fouls up your home directory name.

I generally turn off all the rest of the "features" when I go through
those screens.

The first account you create there, is an Administrator account, so pick a
login name you like for Administrator operation. Again, you can create a
non-Administrator account later, after all those "stupid questions" are completed.

Paul

Paul wrote:
> On 1/25/2024 2:11 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 1/24/2024 8:06 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I bought the Startech molex cables off of eBay,...
>>>> I'm having trouble finding the Y connection though......
>>>> will this Y connection work? It has double set of wires though,..
>>>>
>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/175010156703?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28&com_cvv=d30042528f072ba8a22b19c81250437cd47a2f30330f0ed03551c4efdaf3409e
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> That looks like a Y cable. The seller claims 8" of wire.
>>> You can figure out how many you need to reach from available
>>> power connector to the card connector.
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>>
>>
>>
>> 1. I was reading through the instructions for a clean
>>     install of Windows 10. I assume I have all the
>>     requirements.
>>
>> 2. Create a bootable Win10 USB? I believe we did that and put the ISO on a
>>     ScanDisk with the USB Adaptor.
>>
>>  3. disconnect all other hd's
>>
>> I have my 8500 product key is that the same thing?
>>
>> Your instructions are easier to follow.
>>
>> ... on step 25 you start with a bogus phone number but it ends with having to enter an email address. OIC that's where I create a Admin Account. I think I'm getting a handle on it but as I say we need to finish the 780 first then we can turn to the 8500.
>>
>> I think when the cables arrive I'm going to remove the PCI card and do the cabling
>> outside of the computer because its pretty restricted space inside the computer and
>> difficult to remove the cable.
>>
>> Robert
>
> Where it is marked in Yellow here, you want "Offline Account" and
> no email addresses to be entered.
>
> https://www.tenforums.com/attachments/tutorials/220237d1547055736-clean-install-windows-10-a-local-1.png
>
> Using the Yellow thing, you enter a local account of "Rob", your home directory
> will be Rob. In other words, that Yellow thing is the path to work
> as if it was Windows 7 when defining an account.
>
> If you use the email address method, it fouls up your home directory name.
>
> I generally turn off all the rest of the "features" when I go through
> those screens.
>
> The first account you create there, is an Administrator account, so pick a
> login name you like for Administrator operation. Again, you can create a
> non-Administrator account later, after all those "stupid questions" are completed.
>
> Paul
>

I was thinking,.. I'll have to make a folder for the 780 Win 10 mrimgs
but I can't remember how I did it? Do I do it during the process but
instead of putting it in Programs I create a folder outside of it? I don't
see how I can access it otherwise. Also, how will I be able to create a
mrimg for the 8500? I can't access it to create a folder for them so how
where/how will I store it?

Thanks,
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Paul wrote:
> On 1/25/2024 2:11 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 1/24/2024 8:06 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I bought the Startech molex cables off of eBay,...
>>>> I'm having trouble finding the Y connection though......
>>>> will this Y connection work? It has double set of wires though,..
>>>>
>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/175010156703?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28&com_cvv=d30042528f072ba8a22b19c81250437cd47a2f30330f0ed03551c4efdaf3409e
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> That looks like a Y cable. The seller claims 8" of wire.
>>> You can figure out how many you need to reach from available
>>> power connector to the card connector.
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>>
>>
>>
>> 1. I was reading through the instructions for a clean
>>     install of Windows 10. I assume I have all the
>>     requirements.
>>
>> 2. Create a bootable Win10 USB? I believe we did that and put the ISO on a
>>     ScanDisk with the USB Adaptor.
>>
>>  3. disconnect all other hd's
>>
>> I have my 8500 product key is that the same thing?
>>
>> Your instructions are easier to follow.
>>
>> ... on step 25 you start with a bogus phone number but it ends with having to enter an email address. OIC that's where I create a Admin Account. I think I'm getting a handle on it but as I say we need to finish the 780 first then we can turn to the 8500.
>>
>> I think when the cables arrive I'm going to remove the PCI card and do the cabling
>> outside of the computer because its pretty restricted space inside the computer and
>> difficult to remove the cable.
>>
>> Robert
>
> Where it is marked in Yellow here, you want "Offline Account" and
> no email addresses to be entered.
>
> https://www.tenforums.com/attachments/tutorials/220237d1547055736-clean-install-windows-10-a-local-1.png
>
> Using the Yellow thing, you enter a local account of "Rob", your home directory
> will be Rob. In other words, that Yellow thing is the path to work
> as if it was Windows 7 when defining an account.
>
> If you use the email address method, it fouls up your home directory name.
>
> I generally turn off all the rest of the "features" when I go through
> those screens.
>
> The first account you create there, is an Administrator account, so pick a
> login name you like for Administrator operation. Again, you can create a
> non-Administrator account later, after all those "stupid questions" are completed.
>
> Paul
>

Understood,..... but in your instructions... 25 the last instruction
does want me to enter an email account which you said to avoid but
that's where I create the Admin Account correct?

I'll pick a similar name as my other Admin Accounts.

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Paul wrote:
> On 1/25/2024 2:11 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 1/24/2024 8:06 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I bought the Startech molex cables off of eBay,...
>>>> I'm having trouble finding the Y connection though......
>>>> will this Y connection work? It has double set of wires though,..
>>>>
>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/175010156703?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28&com_cvv=d30042528f072ba8a22b19c81250437cd47a2f30330f0ed03551c4efdaf3409e
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> That looks like a Y cable. The seller claims 8" of wire.
>>> You can figure out how many you need to reach from available
>>> power connector to the card connector.
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>>
>>
>>
>> 1. I was reading through the instructions for a clean
>>     install of Windows 10. I assume I have all the
>>     requirements.
>>
>> 2. Create a bootable Win10 USB? I believe we did that and put the ISO on a
>>     ScanDisk with the USB Adaptor.
>>
>>  3. disconnect all other hd's
>>
>> I have my 8500 product key is that the same thing?
>>
>> Your instructions are easier to follow.
>>
>> ... on step 25 you start with a bogus phone number but it ends with having to enter an email address. OIC that's where I create a Admin Account. I think I'm getting a handle on it but as I say we need to finish the 780 first then we can turn to the 8500.
>>
>> I think when the cables arrive I'm going to remove the PCI card and do the cabling
>> outside of the computer because its pretty restricted space inside the computer and
>> difficult to remove the cable.
>>
>> Robert
>
> Where it is marked in Yellow here, you want "Offline Account" and
> no email addresses to be entered.
>
> https://www.tenforums.com/attachments/tutorials/220237d1547055736-clean-install-windows-10-a-local-1.png
>
> Using the Yellow thing, you enter a local account of "Rob", your home directory
> will be Rob. In other words, that Yellow thing is the path to work
> as if it was Windows 7 when defining an account.
>
> If you use the email address method, it fouls up your home directory name.
>
> I generally turn off all the rest of the "features" when I go through
> those screens.
>
> The first account you create there, is an Administrator account, so pick a
> login name you like for Administrator operation. Again, you can create a
> non-Administrator account later, after all those "stupid questions" are completed.
>
> Paul
>

Let's just skip over making an mrimg for the 8500 Win10
since I can't access it anyway. There's nothing on it so
we can go straight to erasing it and the 22H2.

Robert

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On 1/26/2024 6:57 AM, RobnCA wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>> On 1/25/2024 2:11 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>>> Paul wrote:
>>>> On 1/24/2024 8:06 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I bought the Startech molex cables off of eBay,...
>>>>> I'm having trouble finding the Y connection though......
>>>>> will this Y connection work? It has double set of wires though,..
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/175010156703?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28&com_cvv=d30042528f072ba8a22b19c81250437cd47a2f30330f0ed03551c4efdaf3409e
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>> That looks like a Y cable. The seller claims 8" of wire.
>>>> You can figure out how many you need to reach from available
>>>> power connector to the card connector.
>>>>
>>>>      Paul
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. I was reading through the instructions for a clean
>>>      install of Windows 10. I assume I have all the
>>>      requirements.
>>>
>>> 2. Create a bootable Win10 USB? I believe we did that and put the ISO on a
>>>      ScanDisk with the USB Adaptor.
>>>
>>>   3. disconnect all other hd's
>>>
>>> I have my 8500 product key is that the same thing?
>>>
>>> Your instructions are easier to follow.
>>>
>>> ... on step 25 you start with a bogus phone number but it ends with having to enter an email address. OIC that's where I create a Admin Account. I think I'm getting a handle on it but as I say we need to finish the 780 first then we can turn to the 8500.
>>>
>>> I think when the cables arrive I'm going to remove the PCI card and do the cabling
>>> outside of the computer because its pretty restricted space inside the computer and
>>> difficult to remove the cable.
>>>
>>> Robert
>>
>> Where it is marked in Yellow here, you want "Offline Account" and
>> no email addresses to be entered.
>>
>>     https://www.tenforums.com/attachments/tutorials/220237d1547055736-clean-install-windows-10-a-local-1.png
>>
>> Using the Yellow thing, you enter a local account of "Rob", your home directory
>> will be Rob. In other words, that Yellow thing is the path to work
>> as if it was Windows 7 when defining an account.
>>
>> If you use the email address method, it fouls up your home directory name.
>>
>> I generally turn off all the rest of the "features" when I go through
>> those screens.
>>
>> The first account you create there, is an Administrator account, so pick a
>> login name you like for Administrator operation. Again, you can create a
>> non-Administrator account later, after all those "stupid questions" are completed.
>>
>>     Paul
>>
>
>
> Let's just skip over making an mrimg for the 8500 Win10
> since I can't access it anyway. There's nothing on it so
> we can go straight to erasing it and the 22H2.
>
> Robert

You can randomly access the content. Macrium mounter has a
"remove restrictions" capability on an MRIMG, so any folder you
want can be opened for inspection.

You might also end up putting the MRIMG back at a later date.
Depending on how the clean install goes.

Paul

On 1/26/2024 6:08 AM, Robert in CA wrote:

> Understood,..... but in your instructions... 25 the last instruction does want me
> to enter an email account which you said to avoid but that's where I create
> the Admin Account correct?
>
> I'll pick a similar name as my other Admin Accounts.
>
> Robert

When you select Offline Account, you will in essence specify

Rob username
12345678 password
12345678 enter twice to verify the value you want

That's what an offline account should ask for.

The interface will display graphics, pretending that
"all the cool kinds use an MSA, why not you ?"

And of course, you are marketing-resistant and will
do whatever you want to do :-)

The thing is, I don't want my home directory to contain any
part of my email address, as the chosen letters. That's a privacy
leak. As it is, a lot of images I prepare, I have to erase out
the privacy leaks before uploading. It's an unnecessary pain in the ass.

Paul

Paul wrote:
> On 1/26/2024 6:57 AM, RobnCA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 1/25/2024 2:11 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>>>> Paul wrote:
>>>>> On 1/24/2024 8:06 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I bought the Startech molex cables off of eBay,...
>>>>>> I'm having trouble finding the Y connection though......
>>>>>> will this Y connection work? It has double set of wires though,..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/175010156703?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28&com_cvv=d30042528f072ba8a22b19c81250437cd47a2f30330f0ed03551c4efdaf3409e
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>
>>>>> That looks like a Y cable. The seller claims 8" of wire.
>>>>> You can figure out how many you need to reach from available
>>>>> power connector to the card connector.
>>>>>
>>>>>      Paul
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1. I was reading through the instructions for a clean
>>>>      install of Windows 10. I assume I have all the
>>>>      requirements.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Create a bootable Win10 USB? I believe we did that and put the ISO on a
>>>>      ScanDisk with the USB Adaptor.
>>>>
>>>>   3. disconnect all other hd's
>>>>
>>>> I have my 8500 product key is that the same thing?
>>>>
>>>> Your instructions are easier to follow.
>>>>
>>>> ... on step 25 you start with a bogus phone number but it ends with having to enter an email address. OIC that's where I create a Admin Account. I think I'm getting a handle on it but as I say we need to finish the 780 first then we can turn to the 8500.
>>>>
>>>> I think when the cables arrive I'm going to remove the PCI card and do the cabling
>>>> outside of the computer because its pretty restricted space inside the computer and
>>>> difficult to remove the cable.
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> Where it is marked in Yellow here, you want "Offline Account" and
>>> no email addresses to be entered.
>>>
>>>     https://www.tenforums.com/attachments/tutorials/220237d1547055736-clean-install-windows-10-a-local-1.png
>>>
>>> Using the Yellow thing, you enter a local account of "Rob", your home directory
>>> will be Rob. In other words, that Yellow thing is the path to work
>>> as if it was Windows 7 when defining an account.
>>>
>>> If you use the email address method, it fouls up your home directory name.
>>>
>>> I generally turn off all the rest of the "features" when I go through
>>> those screens.
>>>
>>> The first account you create there, is an Administrator account, so pick a
>>> login name you like for Administrator operation. Again, you can create a
>>> non-Administrator account later, after all those "stupid questions" are completed.
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>>
>>
>>
>> Let's just skip over making an mrimg for the 8500 Win10
>> since I can't access it anyway. There's nothing on it so
>> we can go straight to erasing it and the 22H2.
>>
>> Robert
>
> You can randomly access the content. Macrium mounter has a
> "remove restrictions" capability on an MRIMG, so any folder you
> want can be opened for inspection.
>
> You might also end up putting the MRIMG back at a later date.
> Depending on how the clean install goes.
>
> Paul
>

Understood,.... I will be clicking the lower left vs
giving them my email address that avoids me using
MSA.

OK, we'll do a mrimg on the 8500 and will re-read your
instructions so I have better idea of procedures.

Robert

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On 1/26/2024 6:38 PM, Robert in CA wrote:

> Understood,.... I will be clicking the lower left vs
> giving them my email address that avoids me using
> MSA.
>
> OK, we'll do a mrimg on the 8500 and will re-read your
> instructions so I have better idea of procedures.
>
> Robert

Unlike some of your other computing projects, doing
a clean install is a light hearted operation. If it
does not work the first time, you can always do it
again if you want. Just having the one blank drive
connected, is all you need for the install.

I didn't get it right on the first try, and with
practice, you'll know what the questions are, and
get used to the deceptive practice in the interface.

For example, I never tried Cortana, because I don't
leave a microphone connected to a computer. It's only
for Zoom conferences with a doctor. The doctor at the
hospital is fond of sitting in front of a large
Mac computer and discussing medicine. But on at least
one occasion, the conferencing software would not work
and we had to use... a telephone. Yikes. A telephone.

There's nothing wrong with using an MSA. What we're doing
is changing the order. Doing a local account first,
so there will be C:\users\Rob kind of thing, and the
home directory will have the proper name. An MSA can be
added later on, for usage with the Microsoft Store.
Or for usage of OneDrive.

Paul