Paul wrote:
> On 1/26/2024 6:38 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>
>> Understood,.... I will be clicking the lower left vs
>> giving them my email address that avoids me using
>> MSA.
>>
>> OK, we'll do a mrimg on the 8500 and will re-read your
>> instructions so I have better idea of procedures.
>>
>> Robert
>
> Unlike some of your other computing projects, doing
> a clean install is a light hearted operation. If it
> does not work the first time, you can always do it
> again if you want. Just having the one blank drive
> connected, is all you need for the install.
>
> I didn't get it right on the first try, and with
> practice, you'll know what the questions are, and
> get used to the deceptive practice in the interface.
>
> For example, I never tried Cortana, because I don't
> leave a microphone connected to a computer. It's only
> for Zoom conferences with a doctor. The doctor at the
> hospital is fond of sitting in front of a large
> Mac computer and discussing medicine. But on at least
> one occasion, the conferencing software would not work
> and we had to use... a telephone. Yikes. A telephone.
>
> There's nothing wrong with using an MSA. What we're doing
> is changing the order. Doing a local account first,
> so there will be C:\users\Rob kind of thing, and the
> home directory will have the proper name. An MSA can be
> added later on, for usage with the Microsoft Store.
> Or for usage of OneDrive.
>
> Paul
>
>
>

I re-read the instructions for installing Win10 on the 8500
It says before installing to disable secure boot and fast boot?

Step 1. create bootable ISO - done

Step 3 - I'm not understanding what I do here?

Step 4 - disconnect Internet before install

Step 5 - boot from flash drive? I thought we were using 22H2 ?

Step 9 - enter Win10 product key- 8500 Product Key ?

Step 14. Legacy BIOS

Step 16 install Win10

Step 21 check for Internet (when did we re-connect it after Step 4?)

Step 23> go to Step25

Step 25 bogus telephone number, click offline account lower left

a. privacy settings? I generally turn them all off except inking and typing.

Step 29 set time/date

Step 30 install FF, Seamonkey,Word, Excel, Dell Imagining, Set FF
as default and turn off notifications, import bookmarks, copy/past My
Documents. A/V suite, macrium....

Step 31 create mrimg

Robert

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Paul wrote:
> On 1/26/2024 6:38 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>
>> Understood,.... I will be clicking the lower left vs
>> giving them my email address that avoids me using
>> MSA.
>>
>> OK, we'll do a mrimg on the 8500 and will re-read your
>> instructions so I have better idea of procedures.
>>
>> Robert
>
> Unlike some of your other computing projects, doing
> a clean install is a light hearted operation. If it
> does not work the first time, you can always do it
> again if you want. Just having the one blank drive
> connected, is all you need for the install.
>
> I didn't get it right on the first try, and with
> practice, you'll know what the questions are, and
> get used to the deceptive practice in the interface.
>
> For example, I never tried Cortana, because I don't
> leave a microphone connected to a computer. It's only
> for Zoom conferences with a doctor. The doctor at the
> hospital is fond of sitting in front of a large
> Mac computer and discussing medicine. But on at least
> one occasion, the conferencing software would not work
> and we had to use... a telephone. Yikes. A telephone.
>
> There's nothing wrong with using an MSA. What we're doing
> is changing the order. Doing a local account first,
> so there will be C:\users\Rob kind of thing, and the
> home directory will have the proper name. An MSA can be
> added later on, for usage with the Microsoft Store.
> Or for usage of OneDrive.
>
> Paul
>
>
>

The Patriot sticks came and I copy/pasted My Documents
from the 8500 to the 780 Win10. Next, I'll copy over the
780Win7Pro My Documents to bring it up to date when I
switch hd's and then do the 8500 when the time is ready.

I'm thinking I may have to do this once a year to keep them
up to date.

Now we just have to wait for the cables. Once they arrive I'll
remove the PCI card and do the cabling outside the computer.
I was looking at it and actually I might be able to get away with
just the Y connection and the cable that came with the PCI card
that has the SATA connection on the end. If not, I'll use one of
the Startech cables in between. I already have it planned where
I'll run the cable and attach it to the optical cable.

Then we'll be ready to do an mrimg.

After that, I'll do a mrimg on the 8500 and then we can erase it
and start on installing Win10.

First, I have to do my monthly mrimgs though.....

Robert

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On 1/27/2024 2:38 PM, RobnCA wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>> On 1/26/2024 6:38 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>
>>> Understood,.... I will be clicking the lower left vs
>>> giving them my email address that avoids me using
>>> MSA.
>>>
>>> OK, we'll do a mrimg on the 8500 and will re-read your
>>> instructions so I have better idea of procedures.
>>>
>>> Robert
>>
>> Unlike some of your other computing projects, doing
>> a clean install is a light hearted operation. If it
>> does not work the first time, you can always do it
>> again if you want. Just having the one blank drive
>> connected, is all you need for the install.
>>
>> I didn't get it right on the first try, and with
>> practice, you'll know what the questions are, and
>> get used to the deceptive practice in the interface.
>>
>> For example, I never tried Cortana, because I don't
>> leave a microphone connected to a computer. It's only
>> for Zoom conferences with a doctor. The doctor at the
>> hospital is fond of sitting in front of a large
>> Mac computer and discussing medicine. But on at least
>> one occasion, the conferencing software would not work
>> and we had to use... a telephone. Yikes. A telephone.
>>
>> There's nothing wrong with using an MSA. What we're doing
>> is changing the order. Doing a local account first,
>> so there will be C:\users\Rob kind of thing, and the
>> home directory will have the proper name. An MSA can be
>> added later on, for usage with the Microsoft Store.
>> Or for usage of OneDrive.
>>
>>     Paul
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> I re-read the instructions for installing Win10 on the 8500
> It says before installing to disable secure boot and fast boot?
>
> Step 1. create bootable ISO - done
>
> Step 3 - I'm not understanding what I do here?
>
> Step 4 - disconnect Internet before install
>
> Step 5 - boot from flash drive? I thought we were using 22H2 ?
>
> Step 9 - enter Win10 product key-  8500 Product Key ?
>
> Step 14. Legacy BIOS
>
> Step 16 install Win10
>
> Step 21 check for Internet (when did we re-connect it after Step 4?)
>
> Step 23> go to Step25
>
> Step 25 bogus telephone number, click offline account lower left
>
> a. privacy settings? I generally turn them all off except inking and typing.
>
> Step 29 set time/date
>
> Step 30 install FF, Seamonkey,Word, Excel, Dell Imagining, Set FF
> as default and turn off notifications, import bookmarks, copy/past My
> Documents. A/V suite, macrium....
>
> Step 31 create mrimg

http://www.macbreaker.com/2013/06/xps-8500-best-prebuilt-hackintosh.html

"The motherboard of the XPS 8500 uses UEFI.
... enter the BIOS of your XPS 8500 and turn off "UEFI mode" and "Secure boot"
"

I would just leave the machine in the mode it is currently in.
That's so the Windows 7 disk drive continues to boot. The popup boot
only seems to support one mode at a time, making it... less than useful.

https://blog.plip.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2020/08/dell.boot_.ptompt.jpg

Even without logging into the Win10 current OS, you can use
a Macrium Rescue CD, to see how the disk is set up right now.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/xdYH61qn/using-Macrium-to-see-partitions.gif

You DONT have to enter a license key. Where it says license key,
you use "Skip" if you want. Remember, since you acquired the "Free Upgrade",
your license key is stored on the Microsoft Server, and that key will
be populated from the server at the appropriate time later.

I can't really design a film strip for this, because I'm not
convinced I could cover every eventuality.

Paul

Paul wrote:
> On 1/27/2024 2:38 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 1/26/2024 6:38 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>>
>>>> Understood,.... I will be clicking the lower left vs
>>>> giving them my email address that avoids me using
>>>> MSA.
>>>>
>>>> OK, we'll do a mrimg on the 8500 and will re-read your
>>>> instructions so I have better idea of procedures.
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> Unlike some of your other computing projects, doing
>>> a clean install is a light hearted operation. If it
>>> does not work the first time, you can always do it
>>> again if you want. Just having the one blank drive
>>> connected, is all you need for the install.
>>>
>>> I didn't get it right on the first try, and with
>>> practice, you'll know what the questions are, and
>>> get used to the deceptive practice in the interface.
>>>
>>> For example, I never tried Cortana, because I don't
>>> leave a microphone connected to a computer. It's only
>>> for Zoom conferences with a doctor. The doctor at the
>>> hospital is fond of sitting in front of a large
>>> Mac computer and discussing medicine. But on at least
>>> one occasion, the conferencing software would not work
>>> and we had to use... a telephone. Yikes. A telephone.
>>>
>>> There's nothing wrong with using an MSA. What we're doing
>>> is changing the order. Doing a local account first,
>>> so there will be C:\users\Rob kind of thing, and the
>>> home directory will have the proper name. An MSA can be
>>> added later on, for usage with the Microsoft Store.
>>> Or for usage of OneDrive.
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I re-read the instructions for installing Win10 on the 8500
>> It says before installing to disable secure boot and fast boot?
>>
>> Step 1. create bootable ISO - done
>>
>> Step 3 - I'm not understanding what I do here?
>>
>> Step 4 - disconnect Internet before install
>>
>> Step 5 - boot from flash drive? I thought we were using 22H2 ?
>>
>> Step 9 - enter Win10 product key-  8500 Product Key ?
>>
>> Step 14. Legacy BIOS
>>
>> Step 16 install Win10
>>
>> Step 21 check for Internet (when did we re-connect it after Step 4?)
>>
>> Step 23> go to Step25
>>
>> Step 25 bogus telephone number, click offline account lower left
>>
>> a. privacy settings? I generally turn them all off except inking and typing.
>>
>> Step 29 set time/date
>>
>> Step 30 install FF, Seamonkey,Word, Excel, Dell Imagining, Set FF
>> as default and turn off notifications, import bookmarks, copy/past My
>> Documents. A/V suite, macrium....
>>
>> Step 31 create mrimg
>
> http://www.macbreaker.com/2013/06/xps-8500-best-prebuilt-hackintosh.html
>
> "The motherboard of the XPS 8500 uses UEFI.
> ... enter the BIOS of your XPS 8500 and turn off "UEFI mode" and "Secure boot"
> "
>
> I would just leave the machine in the mode it is currently in.
> That's so the Windows 7 disk drive continues to boot. The popup boot
> only seems to support one mode at a time, making it... less than useful.
>
> https://blog.plip.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2020/08/dell.boot_.ptompt.jpg
>
> Even without logging into the Win10 current OS, you can use
> a Macrium Rescue CD, to see how the disk is set up right now.
>
> [Picture]
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/xdYH61qn/using-Macrium-to-see-partitions.gif
>
> You DONT have to enter a license key. Where it says license key,
> you use "Skip" if you want. Remember, since you acquired the "Free Upgrade",
> your license key is stored on the Microsoft Server, and that key will
> be populated from the server at the appropriate time later.
>
> I can't really design a film strip for this, because I'm not
> convinced I could cover every eventuality.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>

I ran the Macrium Rescue CD with the 8500 Win10 hd:

https://postimg.cc/Q9GyYcSR

https://postimg.cc/jnRktKpc

https://postimg.cc/9zBn1R9n

https://postimg.cc/cKYD3rZT

https://postimg.cc/qhxjmSN3

Robert

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On 1/28/2024 3:35 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>>
>>     [Picture]
>>
>>      https://i.postimg.cc/xdYH61qn/using-Macrium-to-see-partitions.gif

> I ran the Macrium Rescue CD with the 8500 Win10 hd:
>
> https://postimg.cc/Q9GyYcSR
>
> https://postimg.cc/jnRktKpc
>
> https://postimg.cc/9zBn1R9n
>
> https://postimg.cc/cKYD3rZT
>
> https://postimg.cc/qhxjmSN3
>
>
> Robert

Using the main window and selecting "Backup" mode on the upper left,
should give you a view of the partitions.

[Picture] Click to magnify and the image may be clearer (Backup button down below File menu)

https://i.postimg.cc/xdYH61qn/using-Macrium-to-see-partitions.gif

Your drive letters look kinda like a backup hard drive. It seems to have a 14GB Recovery
partition (which is likely intended to reinstall Windows 7 or something).
And the C: partition seems to take up the rest of the drive.

From Macrium Rescue CD, using the File Explorer icon on the lower left,
you should be able to look inside C: and see what is taking up the space there.
It might be some backup image or something.

Paul

Paul wrote:
> On 1/28/2024 3:35 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>>
>>>     [Picture]
>>>
>>>      https://i.postimg.cc/xdYH61qn/using-Macrium-to-see-partitions.gif
>
>> I ran the Macrium Rescue CD with the 8500 Win10 hd:
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/Q9GyYcSR
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/jnRktKpc
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/9zBn1R9n
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/cKYD3rZT
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/qhxjmSN3
>>
>>
>> Robert
>
> Using the main window and selecting "Backup" mode on the upper left,
> should give you a view of the partitions.
>
> [Picture] Click to magnify and the image may be clearer (Backup button down below File menu)
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/xdYH61qn/using-Macrium-to-see-partitions.gif
>
> Your drive letters look kinda like a backup hard drive. It seems to have a 14GB Recovery
> partition (which is likely intended to reinstall Windows 7 or something).
> And the C: partition seems to take up the rest of the drive.
>
> From Macrium Rescue CD, using the File Explorer icon on the lower left,
> you should be able to look inside C: and see what is taking up the space there.
> It might be some backup image or something.
>
> Paul
>

Is this better?

https://postimg.cc/QVxqgKYM

Robert

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On 1/29/2024 12:29 AM, RobnCA wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>> On 1/28/2024 3:35 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>> Paul wrote:
>>>>
>>>>      [Picture]
>>>>
>>>>       https://i.postimg.cc/xdYH61qn/using-Macrium-to-see-partitions.gif
>>
>>> I ran the Macrium Rescue CD with the 8500 Win10 hd:
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/Q9GyYcSR
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/jnRktKpc
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/9zBn1R9n
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/cKYD3rZT
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/qhxjmSN3
>>>
>>>
>>> Robert
>>
>> Using the main window and selecting "Backup" mode on the upper left,
>> should give you a view of the partitions.
>>
>>      [Picture]  Click to magnify and the image may be clearer (Backup button down below File menu)
>>
>>      https://i.postimg.cc/xdYH61qn/using-Macrium-to-see-partitions.gif
>>
>> Your drive letters look kinda like a backup hard drive. It seems to have a 14GB Recovery
>> partition (which is likely intended to reinstall Windows 7 or something).
>> And the C: partition seems to take up the rest of the drive.
>>
>>  From Macrium Rescue CD, using the File Explorer icon on the lower left,
>> you should be able to look inside C: and see what is taking up the space there.
>> It might be some backup image or something.
>>
>>     Paul
>>
>
> Is this better?
>
> https://postimg.cc/QVxqgKYM
>
> Robert

That's excellent. Thanks.

Your disk is a puzzle. It is similar to #1 here. An XPS 8700 has done the same thing.

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/651926/understanding-windows-10-partition-structures/

"#1 has a 1 TB disk with 3 partitions:

1 Dell Utility FAT (16 bit) 116 KB used out of 39.2 MB
2 Recovery NTFS 11.26 GB used out of 24.22 GB
3 OS (C:) NTFS 308.02 GB used out of 907.25 GB

Am I to understand from this that #1 has an MBR disk system, while the other two have GPT disks...
"

I would agree it's MBR. The reason I searched for a reference, is the Recovery is marked
in your picture as "NTFS Active", and that terminology should only be used on MBR disks.

And that's good, because it's easier to go from an MBR disk to GPT, than from GPT to MBR.
That means there is slightly less that can go wrong.

*******

Before you go erasing anything, I'd want to check C: for personal files.
It's about 1/4 full and it might have some backup file stored on there somewhere.

And you know your folder habits, in terms of where you store backups.
So you're best suited to hunt for that detail.

Paul

Paul wrote:
> On 1/29/2024 12:29 AM, RobnCA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 1/28/2024 3:35 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>>> Paul wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>      [Picture]
>>>>>
>>>>>       https://i.postimg.cc/xdYH61qn/using-Macrium-to-see-partitions.gif
>>>
>>>> I ran the Macrium Rescue CD with the 8500 Win10 hd:
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/Q9GyYcSR
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/jnRktKpc
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/9zBn1R9n
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/cKYD3rZT
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/qhxjmSN3
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> Using the main window and selecting "Backup" mode on the upper left,
>>> should give you a view of the partitions.
>>>
>>>      [Picture]  Click to magnify and the image may be clearer (Backup button down below File menu)
>>>
>>>      https://i.postimg.cc/xdYH61qn/using-Macrium-to-see-partitions.gif
>>>
>>> Your drive letters look kinda like a backup hard drive. It seems to have a 14GB Recovery
>>> partition (which is likely intended to reinstall Windows 7 or something).
>>> And the C: partition seems to take up the rest of the drive.
>>>
>>>  From Macrium Rescue CD, using the File Explorer icon on the lower left,
>>> you should be able to look inside C: and see what is taking up the space there.
>>> It might be some backup image or something.
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>>
>>
>> Is this better?
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/QVxqgKYM
>>
>> Robert
>
> That's excellent. Thanks.
>
> Your disk is a puzzle. It is similar to #1 here. An XPS 8700 has done the same thing.
>
> https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/651926/understanding-windows-10-partition-structures/
>
> "#1 has a 1 TB disk with 3 partitions:
>
> 1 Dell Utility FAT (16 bit) 116 KB used out of 39.2 MB
> 2 Recovery NTFS 11.26 GB used out of 24.22 GB
> 3 OS (C:) NTFS 308.02 GB used out of 907.25 GB
>
> Am I to understand from this that #1 has an MBR disk system, while the other two have GPT disks...
> "
>
> I would agree it's MBR. The reason I searched for a reference, is the Recovery is marked
> in your picture as "NTFS Active", and that terminology should only be used on MBR disks.
>
> And that's good, because it's easier to go from an MBR disk to GPT, than from GPT to MBR.
> That means there is slightly less that can go wrong.
>
> *******
>
> Before you go erasing anything, I'd want to check C: for personal files.
> It's about 1/4 full and it might have some backup file stored on there somewhere.
>
> And you know your folder habits, in terms of where you store backups.
> So you're best suited to hunt for that detail.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>

I’m on the 780 just to test Seamonkey etc,..

As I thought, it has nothing of mine. It’s all the
Rogue User’s. Apparently when I upgraded with
the free offer it completely overwrote my hd
and replaced it with one with pin numbers.

https://postimg.cc/jLwBQq7T

https://postimg.cc/py9s3GXY

https://postimg.cc/Ff3LjS9S

https://postimg.cc/LqDHK4D7

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Paul wrote:
> On 1/29/2024 12:29 AM, RobnCA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 1/28/2024 3:35 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>>> Paul wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>      [Picture]
>>>>>
>>>>>       https://i.postimg.cc/xdYH61qn/using-Macrium-to-see-partitions.gif
>>>
>>>> I ran the Macrium Rescue CD with the 8500 Win10 hd:
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/Q9GyYcSR
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/jnRktKpc
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/9zBn1R9n
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/cKYD3rZT
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/qhxjmSN3
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> Using the main window and selecting "Backup" mode on the upper left,
>>> should give you a view of the partitions.
>>>
>>>      [Picture]  Click to magnify and the image may be clearer (Backup button down below File menu)
>>>
>>>      https://i.postimg.cc/xdYH61qn/using-Macrium-to-see-partitions.gif
>>>
>>> Your drive letters look kinda like a backup hard drive. It seems to have a 14GB Recovery
>>> partition (which is likely intended to reinstall Windows 7 or something).
>>> And the C: partition seems to take up the rest of the drive.
>>>
>>>  From Macrium Rescue CD, using the File Explorer icon on the lower left,
>>> you should be able to look inside C: and see what is taking up the space there.
>>> It might be some backup image or something.
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>>
>>
>> Is this better?
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/QVxqgKYM
>>
>> Robert
>
> That's excellent. Thanks.
>
> Your disk is a puzzle. It is similar to #1 here. An XPS 8700 has done the same thing.
>
> https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/651926/understanding-windows-10-partition-structures/
>
> "#1 has a 1 TB disk with 3 partitions:
>
> 1 Dell Utility FAT (16 bit) 116 KB used out of 39.2 MB
> 2 Recovery NTFS 11.26 GB used out of 24.22 GB
> 3 OS (C:) NTFS 308.02 GB used out of 907.25 GB
>
> Am I to understand from this that #1 has an MBR disk system, while the other two have GPT disks...
> "
>
> I would agree it's MBR. The reason I searched for a reference, is the Recovery is marked
> in your picture as "NTFS Active", and that terminology should only be used on MBR disks.
>
> And that's good, because it's easier to go from an MBR disk to GPT, than from GPT to MBR.
> That means there is slightly less that can go wrong.
>
> *******
>
> Before you go erasing anything, I'd want to check C: for personal files.
> It's about 1/4 full and it might have some backup file stored on there somewhere.
>
> And you know your folder habits, in terms of where you store backups.
> So you're best suited to hunt for that detail.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>

The Y cable came in the mail so I pulled the PCI card from the 780
and connected it and connected the SATA cable to the optical drive.
All I need now is the Startech molex cable to connect both ends.

Robert

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Paul wrote:
> On 1/29/2024 12:29 AM, RobnCA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 1/28/2024 3:35 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>>> Paul wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>      [Picture]
>>>>>
>>>>>       https://i.postimg.cc/xdYH61qn/using-Macrium-to-see-partitions.gif
>>>
>>>> I ran the Macrium Rescue CD with the 8500 Win10 hd:
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/Q9GyYcSR
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/jnRktKpc
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/9zBn1R9n
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/cKYD3rZT
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/qhxjmSN3
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> Using the main window and selecting "Backup" mode on the upper left,
>>> should give you a view of the partitions.
>>>
>>>      [Picture]  Click to magnify and the image may be clearer (Backup button down below File menu)
>>>
>>>      https://i.postimg.cc/xdYH61qn/using-Macrium-to-see-partitions.gif
>>>
>>> Your drive letters look kinda like a backup hard drive. It seems to have a 14GB Recovery
>>> partition (which is likely intended to reinstall Windows 7 or something).
>>> And the C: partition seems to take up the rest of the drive.
>>>
>>>  From Macrium Rescue CD, using the File Explorer icon on the lower left,
>>> you should be able to look inside C: and see what is taking up the space there.
>>> It might be some backup image or something.
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>>
>>
>> Is this better?
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/QVxqgKYM
>>
>> Robert
>
> That's excellent. Thanks.
>
> Your disk is a puzzle. It is similar to #1 here. An XPS 8700 has done the same thing.
>
> https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/651926/understanding-windows-10-partition-structures/
>
> "#1 has a 1 TB disk with 3 partitions:
>
> 1 Dell Utility FAT (16 bit) 116 KB used out of 39.2 MB
> 2 Recovery NTFS 11.26 GB used out of 24.22 GB
> 3 OS (C:) NTFS 308.02 GB used out of 907.25 GB
>
> Am I to understand from this that #1 has an MBR disk system, while the other two have GPT disks...
> "
>
> I would agree it's MBR. The reason I searched for a reference, is the Recovery is marked
> in your picture as "NTFS Active", and that terminology should only be used on MBR disks.
>
> And that's good, because it's easier to go from an MBR disk to GPT, than from GPT to MBR.
> That means there is slightly less that can go wrong.
>
> *******
>
> Before you go erasing anything, I'd want to check C: for personal files.
> It's about 1/4 full and it might have some backup file stored on there somewhere.
>
> And you know your folder habits, in terms of where you store backups.
> So you're best suited to hunt for that detail.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>

One thing, I noticed when I attached the SATA cable that
one of the black wires came loose on the other connection
end. Probably from all the connecting and disconnecting to
the PCI card. I was able to push the pin back in but do you
think I should epoxy it in? I'm afraid when I try to connect
the Startech cable that that pin will move backwards and not
connect.

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Paul wrote:
> On 1/29/2024 12:29 AM, RobnCA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 1/28/2024 3:35 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>>> Paul wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>      [Picture]
>>>>>
>>>>>       https://i.postimg.cc/xdYH61qn/using-Macrium-to-see-partitions.gif
>>>
>>>> I ran the Macrium Rescue CD with the 8500 Win10 hd:
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/Q9GyYcSR
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/jnRktKpc
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/9zBn1R9n
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/cKYD3rZT
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/qhxjmSN3
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> Using the main window and selecting "Backup" mode on the upper left,
>>> should give you a view of the partitions.
>>>
>>>      [Picture]  Click to magnify and the image may be clearer (Backup button down below File menu)
>>>
>>>      https://i.postimg.cc/xdYH61qn/using-Macrium-to-see-partitions.gif
>>>
>>> Your drive letters look kinda like a backup hard drive. It seems to have a 14GB Recovery
>>> partition (which is likely intended to reinstall Windows 7 or something).
>>> And the C: partition seems to take up the rest of the drive.
>>>
>>>  From Macrium Rescue CD, using the File Explorer icon on the lower left,
>>> you should be able to look inside C: and see what is taking up the space there.
>>> It might be some backup image or something.
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>>
>>
>> Is this better?
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/QVxqgKYM
>>
>> Robert
>
> That's excellent. Thanks.
>
> Your disk is a puzzle. It is similar to #1 here. An XPS 8700 has done the same thing.
>
> https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/651926/understanding-windows-10-partition-structures/
>
> "#1 has a 1 TB disk with 3 partitions:
>
> 1 Dell Utility FAT (16 bit) 116 KB used out of 39.2 MB
> 2 Recovery NTFS 11.26 GB used out of 24.22 GB
> 3 OS (C:) NTFS 308.02 GB used out of 907.25 GB
>
> Am I to understand from this that #1 has an MBR disk system, while the other two have GPT disks...
> "
>
> I would agree it's MBR. The reason I searched for a reference, is the Recovery is marked
> in your picture as "NTFS Active", and that terminology should only be used on MBR disks.
>
> And that's good, because it's easier to go from an MBR disk to GPT, than from GPT to MBR.
> That means there is slightly less that can go wrong.
>
> *******
>
> Before you go erasing anything, I'd want to check C: for personal files.
> It's about 1/4 full and it might have some backup file stored on there somewhere.
>
> And you know your folder habits, in terms of where you store backups.
> So you're best suited to hunt for that detail.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>

I connected the Y cable to the SATA cable and tested it
so we have the 3.0 port working. However, when I try to
eject the Patriot safely it doesn't give me a message its OK
to remove and the USB icon disappears.

https://postimg.cc/MvQytf16

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On 1/29/2024 3:44 PM, Robert in CA wrote:

> One thing, I noticed when I attached the SATA cable that
> one of the black wires came loose on the other connection
> end. Probably from all the connecting and disconnecting to
> the PCI card. I was able to push the pin back in but do you
> think I should epoxy it in? I'm afraid when I try to connect
> the Startech cable that that pin will move backwards and not
> connect.
>
> Robert

Usually there is a retention mechanism, like a metal tab
that when the pin is seated, the tab flips out and prevents
the pin from going backwards.

When the pin is not seated, have a careful look at the pin
and see if you can see the bit that is supposed to lock
the pin in place.

Normally the Molex hold up pretty well.

I've had some VGA connectors, the pins in those go backwards.
But it's been a long time since that has happened, and
the newer stuff here no longer suffers from that problem.

If a Molex handling a lot of current develops a poor electrical
connection, it will heat up enough to burn the connector. I had
a video card that ruined a Molex once. I soldered an "extension cable"
into the holes where the connector used to go, so I could continue
to use the card.

Paul

On 1/29/2024 8:16 PM, RobnCA wrote:

> I connected the Y cable to the SATA cable and tested it
> so we have the 3.0 port working.  However, when I try to
> eject the Patriot safely it doesn't give me a message its OK
> to remove and the USB icon disappears.
>
> https://postimg.cc/MvQytf16
>
> Robert

It's possible the Patriot is formatted ExFAT or it could
even be formatted FAT32 (FAT32 works up to 2TB with the
right formatter).

The "Safely Remove" thing has been modified, and to work
properly, formatting your new storage as NTFS, should give
the normal Safely Remove behaviors.

No, I don't like the changes they've made. They should have
left that stuff alone. It was working fine.

If you have a FAT32 stick now, you might as well just
remove it when the LED stops flashing. It really requires
the sticks have LEDs, so you have some idea the computer
is not using it. And that's not a good way to run this
stuff, making it LED dependent.

Some USB flash sticks, if you buy two items off the rack
at the store, one can have a LED and the other not have a LED,
and it depends on which foreign factory the stick was made in.
You would think the items on a single rack pin would be
from the same factory, but I checked when I got home, and they
were from different countries. The UPC code on the two products
is the same, but one has a LED, the other does not have a LED.

Paul

Paul wrote:
> On 1/29/2024 8:16 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>
>> I connected the Y cable to the SATA cable and tested it
>> so we have the 3.0 port working.  However, when I try to
>> eject the Patriot safely it doesn't give me a message its OK
>> to remove and the USB icon disappears.
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/MvQytf16
>>
>> Robert
>
> It's possible the Patriot is formatted ExFAT or it could
> even be formatted FAT32 (FAT32 works up to 2TB with the
> right formatter).
>
> The "Safely Remove" thing has been modified, and to work
> properly, formatting your new storage as NTFS, should give
> the normal Safely Remove behaviors.
>
> No, I don't like the changes they've made. They should have
> left that stuff alone. It was working fine.
>
> If you have a FAT32 stick now, you might as well just
> remove it when the LED stops flashing. It really requires
> the sticks have LEDs, so you have some idea the computer
> is not using it. And that's not a good way to run this
> stuff, making it LED dependent.
>
> Some USB flash sticks, if you buy two items off the rack
> at the store, one can have a LED and the other not have a LED,
> and it depends on which foreign factory the stick was made in.
> You would think the items on a single rack pin would be
> from the same factory, but I checked when I got home, and they
> were from different countries. The UPC code on the two products
> is the same, but one has a LED, the other does not have a LED.
>
> Paul
>
>

Well the pin must have clicked back in because I was able to
connect the cables with no problem.

All the sticks are Patriots,.... The 1TB have a momentary flash
but not 16GB sticks and these are the same ones we've been using
all along. In fact, the Patriot I used to test it is where I have
all my bookmarks, and A/V suite etc. that I used on the 780.
So it shouldn't of had any problems.

I agree they shouldn't have modified it, they should of left it alone.
So how do I change it for the safely remove to work as before?

My back went out lifting the 8500 so I'll need a couple days
off,....

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Paul wrote:
> On 1/29/2024 8:16 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>
>> I connected the Y cable to the SATA cable and tested it
>> so we have the 3.0 port working.  However, when I try to
>> eject the Patriot safely it doesn't give me a message its OK
>> to remove and the USB icon disappears.
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/MvQytf16
>>
>> Robert
>
> It's possible the Patriot is formatted ExFAT or it could
> even be formatted FAT32 (FAT32 works up to 2TB with the
> right formatter).
>
> The "Safely Remove" thing has been modified, and to work
> properly, formatting your new storage as NTFS, should give
> the normal Safely Remove behaviors.
>
> No, I don't like the changes they've made. They should have
> left that stuff alone. It was working fine.
>
> If you have a FAT32 stick now, you might as well just
> remove it when the LED stops flashing. It really requires
> the sticks have LEDs, so you have some idea the computer
> is not using it. And that's not a good way to run this
> stuff, making it LED dependent.
>
> Some USB flash sticks, if you buy two items off the rack
> at the store, one can have a LED and the other not have a LED,
> and it depends on which foreign factory the stick was made in.
> You would think the items on a single rack pin would be
> from the same factory, but I checked when I got home, and they
> were from different countries. The UPC code on the two products
> is the same, but one has a LED, the other does not have a LED.
>
> Paul
>
>

I don't understand,. we didn't have this safely remove
problem on the 780 Win 10? Why should the 8500 Win 10
be different?

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Paul wrote:
> On 1/29/2024 8:16 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>
>> I connected the Y cable to the SATA cable and tested it
>> so we have the 3.0 port working.  However, when I try to
>> eject the Patriot safely it doesn't give me a message its OK
>> to remove and the USB icon disappears.
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/MvQytf16
>>
>> Robert
>
> It's possible the Patriot is formatted ExFAT or it could
> even be formatted FAT32 (FAT32 works up to 2TB with the
> right formatter).
>
> The "Safely Remove" thing has been modified, and to work
> properly, formatting your new storage as NTFS, should give
> the normal Safely Remove behaviors.
>
> No, I don't like the changes they've made. They should have
> left that stuff alone. It was working fine.
>
> If you have a FAT32 stick now, you might as well just
> remove it when the LED stops flashing. It really requires
> the sticks have LEDs, so you have some idea the computer
> is not using it. And that's not a good way to run this
> stuff, making it LED dependent.
>
> Some USB flash sticks, if you buy two items off the rack
> at the store, one can have a LED and the other not have a LED,
> and it depends on which foreign factory the stick was made in.
> You would think the items on a single rack pin would be
> from the same factory, but I checked when I got home, and they
> were from different countries. The UPC code on the two products
> is the same, but one has a LED, the other does not have a LED.
>
> Paul
>
>

I feel better now but I just tried to use my phone and I
get a busy signal no matter who I try and call even the
operator!

What's going on ? What do I do?

Please help

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Paul wrote:
> On 1/29/2024 8:16 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>
>> I connected the Y cable to the SATA cable and tested it
>> so we have the 3.0 port working.  However, when I try to
>> eject the Patriot safely it doesn't give me a message its OK
>> to remove and the USB icon disappears.
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/MvQytf16
>>
>> Robert
>
> It's possible the Patriot is formatted ExFAT or it could
> even be formatted FAT32 (FAT32 works up to 2TB with the
> right formatter).
>
> The "Safely Remove" thing has been modified, and to work
> properly, formatting your new storage as NTFS, should give
> the normal Safely Remove behaviors.
>
> No, I don't like the changes they've made. They should have
> left that stuff alone. It was working fine.
>
> If you have a FAT32 stick now, you might as well just
> remove it when the LED stops flashing. It really requires
> the sticks have LEDs, so you have some idea the computer
> is not using it. And that's not a good way to run this
> stuff, making it LED dependent.
>
> Some USB flash sticks, if you buy two items off the rack
> at the store, one can have a LED and the other not have a LED,
> and it depends on which foreign factory the stick was made in.
> You would think the items on a single rack pin would be
> from the same factory, but I checked when I got home, and they
> were from different countries. The UPC code on the two products
> is the same, but one has a LED, the other does not have a LED.
>
> Paul
>
>

Never mind, I contacted Frontier with the problem and
they wrote a ticket on it and the guy will be out here
tomorrow to hopefully resolve the issue.

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On 1/30/2024 11:29 PM, RobnCA wrote:

>
> Never mind, I contacted Frontier with the problem and
> they wrote a ticket on it and the guy will be out here
> tomorrow to hopefully resolve the issue.
>
>
> Robert

Is your phone tied to Internet (VOIP) or is it
a cellphone ?

Paul

Paul wrote:
> On 1/30/2024 11:29 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>
>>
>> Never mind, I contacted Frontier with the problem and
>> they wrote a ticket on it and the guy will be out here
>> tomorrow to hopefully resolve the issue.
>>
>>
>> Robert
>
> Is your phone tied to Internet (VOIP) or is it
> a cellphone ?
>
> Paul
>
>

I have a old fashioned landline phone connected to a phone line
I may the only one left who has one. *L* My sister had one
with the rotary dial. The computer is connected via modem/Ethernet.

I do have a cell phone but have only used it once. I would have
to get a new monthly chip or whatever it is and number to use it.
I barely know how to use the thing as is. I keep it for emergencies.

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Paul wrote:
> On 1/30/2024 11:29 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>
>>
>> Never mind, I contacted Frontier with the problem and
>> they wrote a ticket on it and the guy will be out here
>> tomorrow to hopefully resolve the issue.
>>
>>
>> Robert
>
> Is your phone tied to Internet (VOIP) or is it
> a cellphone ?
>
> Paul
>
>

Were making progress, the 3.0 port works and all we need to do is make a
mrimg for the 780 Win10 and we'll be finished. Then I'll switch the hd's
and I'll copy/paste the latest version of My Documents over the old My
Documents on Win7 to bring it up to date.

Then we can turn to the 8500 Win10:

We have a few things to do on the 8500 Win10 like fixing the safely
remove. Changing the BIOS settings, erasing the hd, installing Win10
etc. I have to re-read everything...

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Paul wrote:
> On 1/30/2024 11:29 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>
>>
>> Never mind, I contacted Frontier with the problem and
>> they wrote a ticket on it and the guy will be out here
>> tomorrow to hopefully resolve the issue.
>>
>>
>> Robert
>
> Is your phone tied to Internet (VOIP) or is it
> a cellphone ?
>
> Paul
>
>

I think I may be a bit confused,... maybe it was the 780 that had the
safely remove issue and not the 8500 because I didn't attach a Patriot
to the 8500.

I'll check it again later and make sure,..

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On 1/31/2024 2:20 AM, RobnCA wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>> On 1/30/2024 11:29 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Never mind, I contacted Frontier with the problem and
>>> they wrote a ticket on it and the guy will be out here
>>> tomorrow to hopefully resolve the issue.
>>>
>>>
>>> Robert
>>
>> Is your phone tied to Internet (VOIP) or is it
>> a cellphone ?
>>
>>     Paul
>>
>>
>
>
> I think I may be a bit confused,... maybe it was the 780 that had the safely remove issue and not the 8500 because I didn't attach a Patriot to the 8500.
>
> I'll check it again later and make sure,..
>
> Robert
>

The policy on individual devices can be changed, but
I think this has to do with whether caching is enabled or not.

I did not really get the impression that caching was
disabled. Even on the ones that don't have Safely Remove.

On one of my USB sticks, the performance is very uneven. And again,
I don't know if there is caching there or not. There should be,
but I'll have to check. And fiddling with that, isn't going to
make the stick work any better.

Whatever they're doing, I'm confused too, because I don't plan on
"checking anything" for my USB sticks :-) Not using the Windows dialogs at least.

*******

https://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbstick_e.html

Update Feb 2011

I was pointed to the fact that by means of the registry value WriteCacheEnableOverride
a write cache can be forced for any USB drive, even FAT formatted removeable drives.
And it indeed works! I have made a litte tool: USB-WriteCache

https://www.uwe-sieber.de/drivetools_e.html#USB-WriteCache

https://www.uwe-sieber.de/files/usb-writecache.zip <=== tick boxes for enabling write cache

Paul

Paul wrote:
> On 1/31/2024 2:20 AM, RobnCA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 1/30/2024 11:29 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Never mind, I contacted Frontier with the problem and
>>>> they wrote a ticket on it and the guy will be out here
>>>> tomorrow to hopefully resolve the issue.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> Is your phone tied to Internet (VOIP) or is it
>>> a cellphone ?
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> I think I may be a bit confused,... maybe it was the 780 that had the safely remove issue and not the 8500 because I didn't attach a Patriot to the 8500.
>>
>> I'll check it again later and make sure,..
>>
>> Robert
>>
>
> The policy on individual devices can be changed, but
> I think this has to do with whether caching is enabled or not.
>
> I did not really get the impression that caching was
> disabled. Even on the ones that don't have Safely Remove.
>
> On one of my USB sticks, the performance is very uneven. And again,
> I don't know if there is caching there or not. There should be,
> but I'll have to check. And fiddling with that, isn't going to
> make the stick work any better.
>
> Whatever they're doing, I'm confused too, because I don't plan on
> "checking anything" for my USB sticks :-) Not using the Windows dialogs at least.
>
> *******
>
> https://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbstick_e.html
>
> Update Feb 2011
>
> I was pointed to the fact that by means of the registry value WriteCacheEnableOverride
> a write cache can be forced for any USB drive, even FAT formatted removeable drives.
> And it indeed works! I have made a litte tool: USB-WriteCache
>
> https://www.uwe-sieber.de/drivetools_e.html#USB-WriteCache
>
> https://www.uwe-sieber.de/files/usb-writecache.zip <=== tick boxes for enabling write cache
>
> Paul
>

I downloaded your zip file and extracted it and tried to run it but
Windows Defender stopped it. I’m having a hard time trying to get this
to run and don’t even know what I’m doing.

https://postimg.cc/F7VY75Jm

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Paul wrote:
> On 1/31/2024 2:20 AM, RobnCA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 1/30/2024 11:29 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Never mind, I contacted Frontier with the problem and
>>>> they wrote a ticket on it and the guy will be out here
>>>> tomorrow to hopefully resolve the issue.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> Is your phone tied to Internet (VOIP) or is it
>>> a cellphone ?
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> I think I may be a bit confused,... maybe it was the 780 that had the safely remove issue and not the 8500 because I didn't attach a Patriot to the 8500.
>>
>> I'll check it again later and make sure,..
>>
>> Robert
>>
>
> The policy on individual devices can be changed, but
> I think this has to do with whether caching is enabled or not.
>
> I did not really get the impression that caching was
> disabled. Even on the ones that don't have Safely Remove.
>
> On one of my USB sticks, the performance is very uneven. And again,
> I don't know if there is caching there or not. There should be,
> but I'll have to check. And fiddling with that, isn't going to
> make the stick work any better.
>
> Whatever they're doing, I'm confused too, because I don't plan on
> "checking anything" for my USB sticks :-) Not using the Windows dialogs at least.
>
> *******
>
> https://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbstick_e.html
>
> Update Feb 2011
>
> I was pointed to the fact that by means of the registry value WriteCacheEnableOverride
> a write cache can be forced for any USB drive, even FAT formatted removeable drives.
> And it indeed works! I have made a litte tool: USB-WriteCache
>
> https://www.uwe-sieber.de/drivetools_e.html#USB-WriteCache
>
> https://www.uwe-sieber.de/files/usb-writecache.zip <=== tick boxes for enabling write cache
>
> Paul
>

I went ahead and ran it but it doesn't look anything like
yours but I tried to click WriteCacheEnableOverride
anyways.

https://postimg.cc/VdfNkXJv

https://postimg.cc/mPqZjq81

I tried to safely remove the Patriot but again the USB
icon disappeared and no message its safe to remove. btw,
the 16GB also flashed momentarily just like the 1TB
when connected.

I'll just remove it when I power it down or restart it.

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On 1/31/2024 12:05 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>> On 1/31/2024 2:20 AM, RobnCA wrote:
>>> Paul wrote:
>>>> On 1/30/2024 11:29 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Never mind, I contacted Frontier with the problem and
>>>>> they wrote a ticket on it and the guy will be out here
>>>>> tomorrow to hopefully resolve the issue.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>> Is your phone tied to Internet (VOIP) or is it
>>>> a cellphone ?
>>>>
>>>>      Paul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think I may be a bit confused,... maybe it was the 780 that had the safely remove issue and not the 8500 because I didn't attach a Patriot to the 8500.
>>>
>>> I'll check it again later and make sure,..
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>
>> The policy on individual devices can be changed, but
>> I think this has to do with whether caching is enabled or not.
>>
>> I did not really get the impression that caching was
>> disabled. Even on the ones that don't have Safely Remove.
>>
>> On one of my USB sticks, the performance is very uneven. And again,
>> I don't know if there is caching there or not. There should be,
>> but I'll have to check. And fiddling with that, isn't going to
>> make the stick work any better.
>>
>> Whatever they're doing, I'm confused too, because I don't plan on
>> "checking anything" for my USB sticks :-) Not using the Windows dialogs at least.
>>
>> *******
>>
>> https://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbstick_e.html
>>
>>     Update Feb 2011
>>
>>     I was pointed to the fact that by means of the registry value WriteCacheEnableOverride
>>     a write cache can be forced for any USB drive, even FAT formatted removeable drives.
>>     And it indeed works! I have made a litte tool: USB-WriteCache
>>
>> https://www.uwe-sieber.de/drivetools_e.html#USB-WriteCache
>>
>>     https://www.uwe-sieber.de/files/usb-writecache.zip    <=== tick boxes for enabling write cache
>>
>>    Paul
>>
>
>
> I downloaded your zip file and extracted it and tried to run it but Windows Defender stopped it.  I’m having a hard time trying to get this to run and don’t even know what I’m doing.
>
> https://postimg.cc/F7VY75Jm
>
> Robert

Mine did not trigger Windows Defender, when I downloaded USB-WriteCache.zip .
(It needs to be run as Administrator to make registry changes,
but that does not help in any way with the results.)

But neither did *any* set of radio buttons, do a damn thing!

Absolutely nothing would cause my NTFS 64GB USB stick to have a Safely Remove entry!

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/cCg4q3Qv/Win10-No-Safely-Remove-NTFS.gif

The results were just as bad on Windows 11, with slight unimportant differences.

Paul