Paul wrote:
> On 2/15/2024 9:23 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 2/15/2024 11:10 AM, RobnCA wrote:
>>>> Paul wrote:
>>>>> On 2/15/2024 1:13 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>>>>> Paul wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/14/2024 8:35 AM, RobnCA wrote:
>>>>>>>> Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2/13/2024 9:21 AM, RobnCA wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/11/2024 10:33 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/2024 10:42 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Success !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/7GwHPk90
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, there was a certain trick to it,. I used the + and -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> signs to move it but I didn't see it move and looked like it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was doing nothing. Only when I closed the application could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see the results.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I tested it with a Macrium Rescue CD and it worked!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good, that ought to help a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's the User Account on the 8500 Win 10:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/yDFdRMzk
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/TLHYGGnH
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/RJ6CZ8RC
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you right-click the Taskbar, the second item down in the
>>>>>>>>>>> menu is "Search" and you can set that to Hidden, and the
>>>>>>>>>>> search box on the taskbar will be gone.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> News and Interests also is in that menu, and you can turn off
>>>>>>>>>>> News and Interests if you want. It all depends how much these
>>>>>>>>>>> things bother you, as to whether you would care about details
>>>>>>>>>>> like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *******
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When testing hard drives on the benchmark test in HDTune,
>>>>>>>>>>> the best result comes when I run it from the Macrium Rescue CD (x86 version).
>>>>>>>>>>> The other OSes don't work as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         [Picture]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>          https://i.postimg.cc/Hs9rmjnm/HDTune-Vs-OS-Used.gif
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I ran HD-Tune and the various scan it offered:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/y3y596Gh
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/crjjnz9b
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/Vdbg3kgK
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/d7Q8tsRP
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/F1SJvktk
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm on the trial HD-Tune Pro version on the 8500 Win 10
>>>>>>>>>> somehow but that was the download I had for it. The one
>>>>>>>>>> on my Win 7 is a older version. Could you please provide a
>>>>>>>>>> HD-Tune link that's free?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/KK9HDvmx
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> then checked disk management
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/0b87PGpX
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> then downloaded macrium
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/4n1hLKr6
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> here's the desktop
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/XXNvvsz5
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The free version is 2.55.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>        https://www.hdtune.com/files/hdtune_255.exe
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your pictures do not suggest there is a problem with the drive.
>>>>>>>>> Reallocated is zero, hours of usage of the drive is only 300 hours or so,
>>>>>>>>> the benchmark curve looks relatively clean (for a trace done in Win10).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *******
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To run a trace using the Macrium CD, you need:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1) The 32-bit (x86) version of the Macrium CD
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2) Only attempt to run 32 bit programs from C:\Program Files (x86).
>>>>>>>>>        You can navigate there with the Macrium file manager thing on the desktop.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 3) You can install HDTune 2.55 on your C: drive and then
>>>>>>>>>        access the folder for it, when Macrium x86 CD is running.
>>>>>>>>>        So you have to install HDTune, before attempting to use
>>>>>>>>>        it in Macrium.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The HDTune menu has a floppy diskette icon for a "screenshot" button,
>>>>>>>>> and this can be used to capture a shot of the benchmark screen after
>>>>>>>>> you run it. Then, you can transfer the file to some other device or
>>>>>>>>> place that is convenient to you. I used File Sharing for that and popped
>>>>>>>>> the picture over to the other machine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It gives a clean trace, because it's not a noisy OS on the CD
>>>>>>>>> and it does not while away the hours thinking of stuff to do.
>>>>>>>>> Unlike Windows 10.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If Microsoft would put a button in the OS, to shut down all
>>>>>>>>> the noisy stuff going on, then we would not need to resort
>>>>>>>>> to tricks to do checks like this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I understand what you mean about using Macrium
>>>>>>>> and HD-Tune for a cleaner trace but from what you
>>>>>>>> say my hd looks OK and after I did the Chkdsk C:/r
>>>>>>>> it had no issues.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My only problem now is getting Image Expert 2000
>>>>>>>> to install. I don't understand it. I've done it on both
>>>>>>>> computers on Win 7 and the 780 has it on its Win 10.
>>>>>>>> So it was installed recently and it worked fine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why is the 8500 Win 10 giving me this problem? This
>>>>>>>> should be very straightforward and I've done this before
>>>>>>>> and there wasn't any hassle at all. I don't get it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Setup.exe file in the installkit folder , do Properties on it.
>>>>>>> Click the "Compatibility" tab.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You'll see a line there "Compatibility Mode".
>>>>>>> Tick the box to turn on the mode.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the pulldown menu, select Windows 7.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Click Apply in the lower-right corner.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now when you start the Setup.exe , the OS will
>>>>>>> apply a compatibility layer, making things
>>>>>>> "look more like Windows 7". Since you report that
>>>>>>> Windows 7 works for that installer, that's where
>>>>>>> I would start, via the Compatibility Mode method.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This method is far from bulletproof, but it is worth a try.
>>>>>>> It sometimes achieves a good result. Not every subsystem
>>>>>>> in the OS gets bodged using this method, only some of them.
>>>>>>> That's why an application still might not work right.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Microsoft keeps records of how installers have made out
>>>>>>> in the past, and it is possible not a lot of people
>>>>>>> have tried to install that one in Windows 10.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *******
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After an installation attempt succeeds, sometimes the
>>>>>>> "main executable" in the Program Files folder, may need
>>>>>>> to have Compatibility applied to it. You can worry about
>>>>>>> that later, once the install problem is overcome.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        Paul
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Success @!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You gave me the key when we switched the install to Win 7. So I
>>>>>> uninstalled it and then ran it again but this time I changed the settings to everyone can use it and a Custom install vs Typical and un-ticked boxesthat were obsolete. It finished this time and I tested it in both the Admin Account and User Account on the 8500 Win 10.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/Y4kY1JxK
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/vcFBg5zC
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only thing left to do is the mrimg and I'll do that later,.......
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want we could continue and do something with the bad hd like
>>>>>> maybe erase it and use the 22H2 again to create a Win10? Or if you
>>>>>> want me to do something else?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many thanks for all your good help,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>
>>>>> At this point, you might use a CHKDSK /f C: if the
>>>>> partition with the problem is C:
>>>>>
>>>>> If you run that in an Administrator window, you can read the
>>>>> text as it runs.
>>>>>
>>>>> If it is unable to fix the partition for some reason, there
>>>>> could be a bad block on there. Remember that HDTune has the
>>>>> bad block scanner, and you can leave that running for a while
>>>>> (like five hours) and see what the scan shows.
>>>>>
>>>>>      Paul
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here's the HD-Tune scan:
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/0MKFYgy0
>>>>
>>>> then I ran the chkdsk /f C: with the Macrium Rescue CD
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/VSdVwynP
>>>>
>>>> In passing, when I use Solani on the 8500 it doesn't ask
>>>> for the User name and password but the 780 does. Why
>>>> the difference?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> "44C"
>>>
>>> Is that drive inside the PC or in the enclosure ?
>>>
>>> That's a bit warm.
>>>
>>> The Dell boxes don't necessarily move a lot of air for cooling.
>>>
>>> Your CHKDSK was clean.
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The drive is inside the computer. I cleaned it
>> the first time I opened it but maybe I need to
>> clean it again. The problem is all the perforated
>> holes and they are hard to get clean even with
>> the mini vac. They should make an attachment
>> for those.
>>
>> That said, the computer is very quiet and runs
>> smooth and has lasted all these years with your
>> good help.
>>
>> I switched hd's again and deleted the rogue user
>> mrimg before starting. Then completed a mrimg
>> on the 8500 Win 10.
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/TyrRsX9g
>>
>> Everything is looking good. and looks like we've
>> got everything done.
>>
>> Unless you want me to do anything I guess were
>> finished.
>>
>> In passing, do you think we'll still be able to message
>> after Google pulls the plug? I think I'm going to send
>> you a test message then just to check and make sure,
>>
>> Many, many thanks for all your good help,
>>
>>
>> Robert
>
> You're welcome.
>
> Enjoy your new OS :-)
>
> Paul
>

On 2/23/2024 4:08 AM, Robert in CA wrote:

>
> I'm just testing to see if we can still connect via SeaMonkey
> after Google has pulled the plug. Please respond if you can
> see this post.
>
> You won't believe what happened,.. right after we had just
> finished all our work on the computers,... my phone went out
> and then the Internet, just as I was about to use it. Thankfully,
> I got the Internet connection back in an hour, whew! It sure
> gave me a scare after all our hard work. You can imagine how
> I felt.
>
> The phone is still out though with no dial tone. I had already
> placed a online ticket for it before I lost the Internet and they
> said it would be about a week before they could get someone
> out here. This was the second time I've had phone problems.
> The last time, whenever I tried to call out I got a busy signal.
>
> I finally got my phone connection back today a week later,..
> no one came out to check anything or called to say it was OK.
> Same as before. It was on their end.
>
> The only problem I've noticed on the computers is there's a lag
> sometimes when opening pages and I have to reload it. I try to
> keep only what I'm working on open.
>
> I'll continue to update/run the scans and of course I'll continue
> with the monthly mrimgs.
>
> If I have any problems I'll let you know.
>
> In passing, you mentioned there were allot of version's of chkdsk,
> I thought chkdsk was a DOS command?
>
> Thanks again for all your good help,
> Robert

Yes, USENET still works.

Sometimes, the slowness in web page rendering, can be caused by the
rate that DNS queries are being answered by the ISP. Since nobody
contacted you, it's pretty hard to get an idea what they fixed.

You would use Task Manager, to see if the CPU is all used up
by the browser.

There are a number of things that need to be "cleaned" on browsers.
I locate the "+++" DOM storage and clear the commercial ones.
I remove cookies.sqlite and webappsstore.sqlite (I can do that
because my browsers have no passwords stored in them). If the
"webappsstore.sqlite" is over 10MB in size, that tends to slow down
a session and can make the interaction "laggy" when using the browser.

CHKDSK is a command line thing. Some of the commands have options,
that I haven't determined whether they do something useful or not.
Usually selecting the "fix" option is enough by itself. Except
in cases where, after a "fix", a re-scan indicates there is still
trouble present. That's when the additional options may be
necessary.

Paul

On 2/23/2024 4:16 AM, Robert in CA wrote:

> I don't know if you can see this post or not because Google isn't showing them.
> It's as I feared,.... it's still 635 and it should be
> 637 and 638 after I post this.
>
> Please let me know if you can see this.
>
>
> Robert

The USENET side of things should be working.

Paul

On 2/23/2024 4:20 AM, RobnCA wrote:

> It looks like we've lost our connection...
>
>
> Robert

Not really.

Paul

Paul wrote:
> On 2/23/2024 4:20 AM, RobnCA wrote:
>
>> It looks like we've lost our connection...
>>
>>
>> Robert
>
> Not really.
>
> Paul
>

I just happened to check to see if there were any new messages on
SeaMonkey,.....

So is this is how we do it via SeaMOnkey and not Google?

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Paul wrote:
> On 2/23/2024 4:16 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>
>> I don't know if you can see this post or not because Google isn't showing them.
>> It's as I feared,.... it's still 635 and it should be
>> 637 and 638 after I post this.
>>
>> Please let me know if you can see this.
>>
>>
>> Robert
>
> The USENET side of things should be working.
>
> Paul
>
>

Confirmed,...

if I have any problems I'll let you know.

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Paul wrote:
> On 2/23/2024 4:08 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm just testing to see if we can still connect via SeaMonkey
>> after Google has pulled the plug. Please respond if you can
>> see this post.
>>
>> You won't believe what happened,.. right after we had just
>> finished all our work on the computers,... my phone went out
>> and then the Internet, just as I was about to use it. Thankfully,
>> I got the Internet connection back in an hour, whew! It sure
>> gave me a scare after all our hard work. You can imagine how
>> I felt.
>>
>> The phone is still out though with no dial tone. I had already
>> placed a online ticket for it before I lost the Internet and they
>> said it would be about a week before they could get someone
>> out here. This was the second time I've had phone problems.
>> The last time, whenever I tried to call out I got a busy signal.
>>
>> I finally got my phone connection back today a week later,..
>> no one came out to check anything or called to say it was OK.
>> Same as before. It was on their end.
>>
>> The only problem I've noticed on the computers is there's a lag
>> sometimes when opening pages and I have to reload it. I try to
>> keep only what I'm working on open.
>>
>> I'll continue to update/run the scans and of course I'll continue
>> with the monthly mrimgs.
>>
>> If I have any problems I'll let you know.
>>
>> In passing, you mentioned there were allot of version's of chkdsk,
>> I thought chkdsk was a DOS command?
>>
>> Thanks again for all your good help,
>> Robert
>
> Yes, USENET still works.
>
> Sometimes, the slowness in web page rendering, can be caused by the
> rate that DNS queries are being answered by the ISP. Since nobody
> contacted you, it's pretty hard to get an idea what they fixed.
>
> You would use Task Manager, to see if the CPU is all used up
> by the browser.
>
> There are a number of things that need to be "cleaned" on browsers.
> I locate the "+++" DOM storage and clear the commercial ones.
> I remove cookies.sqlite and webappsstore.sqlite (I can do that
> because my browsers have no passwords stored in them). If the
> "webappsstore.sqlite" is over 10MB in size, that tends to slow down
> a session and can make the interaction "laggy" when using the browser.
>
> CHKDSK is a command line thing. Some of the commands have options,
> that I haven't determined whether they do something useful or not.
> Usually selecting the "fix" option is enough by itself. Except
> in cases where, after a "fix", a re-scan indicates there is still
> trouble present. That's when the additional options may be
> necessary.
>
> Paul
>
>

just checking your previous messages,..

all looks good,..

Robert

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On 2/23/2024 11:39 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>> On 2/23/2024 4:20 AM, RobnCA wrote:
>>
>>> It looks like we've lost our connection...
>>>
>>>
>>> Robert
>>
>> Not really.
>>
>>     Paul
>
> I just happened to check to see if there were any new messages on SeaMonkey,.....
>
> So is this is how we do it via SeaMOnkey and not Google?
>
>
>
> Robert

As long as you have a server (and an account for ones with an account),
you can connect.

Paul

Paul wrote:
> On 2/23/2024 11:39 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 2/23/2024 4:20 AM, RobnCA wrote:
>>>
>>>> It looks like we've lost our connection...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> Not really.
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>
>> I just happened to check to see if there were any new messages on SeaMonkey,.....
>>
>> So is this is how we do it via SeaMOnkey and not Google?
>>
>>
>>
>> Robert
>
> As long as you have a server (and an account for ones with an account),
> you can connect.
>
> Paul
>
>

OK,... sounds good.

Robert

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Paul wrote:
> On 2/23/2024 11:39 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 2/23/2024 4:20 AM, RobnCA wrote:
>>>
>>>> It looks like we've lost our connection...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> Not really.
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>
>> I just happened to check to see if there were any new messages on SeaMonkey,.....
>>
>> So is this is how we do it via SeaMOnkey and not Google?
>>
>>
>>
>> Robert
>
> As long as you have a server (and an account for ones with an account),
> you can connect.
>
> Paul
>
>

I think I'll post once a month when I do my mrimgs to
keep Solani active.

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Paul wrote:
> On 2/23/2024 11:39 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 2/23/2024 4:20 AM, RobnCA wrote:
>>>
>>>> It looks like we've lost our connection...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> Not really.
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>
>> I just happened to check to see if there were any new messages on SeaMonkey,.....
>>
>> So is this is how we do it via SeaMOnkey and not Google?
>>
>>
>>
>> Robert
>
> As long as you have a server (and an account for ones with an account),
> you can connect.
>
> Paul
>
>

Things are looking OK,.. the computers are nice and quiet.
I completed mrimgs on both the 780 and the 8500. It sure
is nice we fixed the boot order on the 8500 so I don't have
to hit F12 anymore.

I'll post again next time I do mrimgs to keep Solani active
and will let you know if I have any problems.

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Paul wrote:
> On 2/23/2024 11:39 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 2/23/2024 4:20 AM, RobnCA wrote:
>>>
>>>> It looks like we've lost our connection...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> Not really.
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>
>> I just happened to check to see if there were any new messages on SeaMonkey,.....
>>
>> So is this is how we do it via SeaMOnkey and not Google?
>>
>>
>>
>> Robert
>
> As long as you have a server (and an account for ones with an account),
> you can connect.
>
> Paul
>
>

Here's the 780 mrimg:

https://postimg.cc/B8z8jvtB

Here's the 8500 mrimg. I closed the completed box
before I remembered to take a pic.

https://postimg.cc/XpWrGmNm

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On 3/1/2024 7:00 AM, Robert in CA wrote:

>
> Here's the 780 mrimg:
>
> https://postimg.cc/B8z8jvtB
>
> Here's the 8500 mrimg. I closed the completed box
> before I remembered to take a pic.
>
> https://postimg.cc/XpWrGmNm
>
>
> Robert

The I/O rate on the 8500 is a little better, as
you would expect. But at least the 780 is doing
better than USB2 rates.

Paul

Paul wrote:
> On 3/1/2024 7:00 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>
>>
>> Here's the 780 mrimg:
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/B8z8jvtB
>>
>> Here's the 8500 mrimg. I closed the completed box
>> before I remembered to take a pic.
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/XpWrGmNm
>>
>>
>> Robert
>
> The I/O rate on the 8500 is a little better, as
> you would expect. But at least the 780 is doing
> better than USB2 rates.
>
> Paul
>

Yes,.. the computers are doing very well,..

I'm glad we got it all done before they pulled
the plug.

I'll post again on the next mrimgs.

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Paul wrote:
> On 3/1/2024 7:00 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>
>>
>> Here's the 780 mrimg:
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/B8z8jvtB
>>
>> Here's the 8500 mrimg. I closed the completed box
>> before I remembered to take a pic.
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/XpWrGmNm
>>
>>
>> Robert
>
> The I/O rate on the 8500 is a little better, as
> you would expect. But at least the 780 is doing
> better than USB2 rates.
>
> Paul
>

Here’s the HD-Tune for the 780 but it doesn’t
have anything under the health tab and none of
the boxes under info are checked either.

I tried to make it like the 8500 but it won’t
let me.

https://postimg.cc/2VqKf0m2

https://postimg.cc/9zsByC5Y
‘
https://postimg.cc/xJD0KX5S

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Paul wrote:
> On 3/1/2024 7:00 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>
>>
>> Here's the 780 mrimg:
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/B8z8jvtB
>>
>> Here's the 8500 mrimg. I closed the completed box
>> before I remembered to take a pic.
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/XpWrGmNm
>>
>>
>> Robert
>
> The I/O rate on the 8500 is a little better, as
> you would expect. But at least the 780 is doing
> better than USB2 rates.
>
> Paul
>

Here's 8500 HD-Tune,.. best of three..

https://postimg.cc/TyXbP3bp

https://postimg.cc/R6SncpXm

https://postimg.cc/tn7Zc1Km

https://postimg.cc/QH9KkTkF

You're right it is a bit warm, but
the 780 went from 24 to 32C so
maybe that normal?

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Paul wrote:
> On 3/1/2024 7:00 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>
>>
>> Here's the 780 mrimg:
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/B8z8jvtB
>>
>> Here's the 8500 mrimg. I closed the completed box
>> before I remembered to take a pic.
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/XpWrGmNm
>>
>>
>> Robert
>
> The I/O rate on the 8500 is a little better, as
> you would expect. But at least the 780 is doing
> better than USB2 rates.
>
> Paul
>

Although the computers seem fine and as I say they've
lasted all these years is there anything we can do
to lower the temp?

I think you're right Dell cases weren't well designed
for airflow.

Aside from the difference in HD-Tune on both computers
all seems fine. I checked and they both had the same
version 2.55

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On 3/3/2024 3:16 PM, RobnCA wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>> On 3/1/2024 7:00 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Here's the 780 mrimg:
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/B8z8jvtB
>>>
>>> Here's the 8500 mrimg. I closed the completed box
>>> before I remembered to take a pic.
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/XpWrGmNm
>>>
>>>
>>> Robert
>>
>> The I/O rate on the 8500 is a little better, as
>> you would expect. But at least the 780 is doing
>> better than USB2 rates.
>>
>>     Paul
>
> Although the computers seem fine and as I say they've
> lasted all these years is there anything we can do
> to lower the temp?
>
> I think you're right Dell cases weren't well designed
> for airflow.
>
> Aside from the difference in HD-Tune on both computers
> all seems fine. I checked and they both had the same
> version 2.55
>
> Robert

USB does not necessarily have passthru for SMART data.
This causes the temperature and the health table to go missing.

And getting a 200MB/sec transfer rate, in one of your pictures,
is very good. I have very few hard drives that do that well.
The drives in my disk pile, getting 150MB/sec is doing well.

You can get higher rates, but the cost of the hard drive is
prohibitive. At one time, only a 15K RPM drive could do 300MB/sec.
But there are a few 7200RPM ones now, getting pretty close to 300MB/sec.
And really, you just want the backup to run, it doesn't have to be
fancy. Macrium will only do around 350MB/sec or so, anyway. Presumably
the checksum it calculates, slows it down. Even if you had two
NVMe at 14000MB/sec, the Macrium would still only run at 350.
It's not clear if the other backup programs, will run faster
(AOMEI or Easeus).

Maybe the Windows Backup would beat them, as I don't think the
Windows Backup has a checksum protection.

Paul

Paul wrote:
> On 3/3/2024 3:16 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 3/1/2024 7:00 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here's the 780 mrimg:
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/B8z8jvtB
>>>>
>>>> Here's the 8500 mrimg. I closed the completed box
>>>> before I remembered to take a pic.
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/XpWrGmNm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> The I/O rate on the 8500 is a little better, as
>>> you would expect. But at least the 780 is doing
>>> better than USB2 rates.
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>
>> Although the computers seem fine and as I say they've
>> lasted all these years is there anything we can do
>> to lower the temp?
>>
>> I think you're right Dell cases weren't well designed
>> for airflow.
>>
>> Aside from the difference in HD-Tune on both computers
>> all seems fine. I checked and they both had the same
>> version 2.55
>>
>> Robert
>
> USB does not necessarily have passthru for SMART data.
> This causes the temperature and the health table to go missing.
>
> And getting a 200MB/sec transfer rate, in one of your pictures,
> is very good. I have very few hard drives that do that well.
> The drives in my disk pile, getting 150MB/sec is doing well.
>
> You can get higher rates, but the cost of the hard drive is
> prohibitive. At one time, only a 15K RPM drive could do 300MB/sec.
> But there are a few 7200RPM ones now, getting pretty close to 300MB/sec.
> And really, you just want the backup to run, it doesn't have to be
> fancy. Macrium will only do around 350MB/sec or so, anyway. Presumably
> the checksum it calculates, slows it down. Even if you had two
> NVMe at 14000MB/sec, the Macrium would still only run at 350.
> It's not clear if the other backup programs, will run faster
> (AOMEI or Easeus).
>
> Maybe the Windows Backup would beat them, as I don't think the
> Windows Backup has a checksum protection.
>
> Paul
>

Things are looking good on this end. The computers are quiet
and humming along.

Robert

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Paul wrote:
> On 3/3/2024 3:16 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 3/1/2024 7:00 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here's the 780 mrimg:
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/B8z8jvtB
>>>>
>>>> Here's the 8500 mrimg. I closed the completed box
>>>> before I remembered to take a pic.
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/XpWrGmNm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> The I/O rate on the 8500 is a little better, as
>>> you would expect. But at least the 780 is doing
>>> better than USB2 rates.
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>
>> Although the computers seem fine and as I say they've
>> lasted all these years is there anything we can do
>> to lower the temp?
>>
>> I think you're right Dell cases weren't well designed
>> for airflow.
>>
>> Aside from the difference in HD-Tune on both computers
>> all seems fine. I checked and they both had the same
>> version 2.55
>>
>> Robert
>
> USB does not necessarily have passthru for SMART data.
> This causes the temperature and the health table to go missing.
>
> And getting a 200MB/sec transfer rate, in one of your pictures,
> is very good. I have very few hard drives that do that well.
> The drives in my disk pile, getting 150MB/sec is doing well.
>
> You can get higher rates, but the cost of the hard drive is
> prohibitive. At one time, only a 15K RPM drive could do 300MB/sec.
> But there are a few 7200RPM ones now, getting pretty close to 300MB/sec.
> And really, you just want the backup to run, it doesn't have to be
> fancy. Macrium will only do around 350MB/sec or so, anyway. Presumably
> the checksum it calculates, slows it down. Even if you had two
> NVMe at 14000MB/sec, the Macrium would still only run at 350.
> It's not clear if the other backup programs, will run faster
> (AOMEI or Easeus).
>
> Maybe the Windows Backup would beat them, as I don't think the
> Windows Backup has a checksum protection.
>
> Paul
>

The computers are still running OK,..just humming along.

Here's the 780 mrimg

https://postimg.cc/jLT8Mzs7

then C: drive

https://postimg.cc/gxTHbRP4

then Disk MGmt

https://postimg.cc/jwr8BNzm

HD-Tune

https://postimg.cc/z37dPy32

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Paul wrote:
> On 3/3/2024 3:16 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 3/1/2024 7:00 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here's the 780 mrimg:
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/B8z8jvtB
>>>>
>>>> Here's the 8500 mrimg. I closed the completed box
>>>> before I remembered to take a pic.
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/XpWrGmNm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> The I/O rate on the 8500 is a little better, as
>>> you would expect. But at least the 780 is doing
>>> better than USB2 rates.
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>
>> Although the computers seem fine and as I say they've
>> lasted all these years is there anything we can do
>> to lower the temp?
>>
>> I think you're right Dell cases weren't well designed
>> for airflow.
>>
>> Aside from the difference in HD-Tune on both computers
>> all seems fine. I checked and they both had the same
>> version 2.55
>>
>> Robert
>
> USB does not necessarily have passthru for SMART data.
> This causes the temperature and the health table to go missing.
>
> And getting a 200MB/sec transfer rate, in one of your pictures,
> is very good. I have very few hard drives that do that well.
> The drives in my disk pile, getting 150MB/sec is doing well.
>
> You can get higher rates, but the cost of the hard drive is
> prohibitive. At one time, only a 15K RPM drive could do 300MB/sec.
> But there are a few 7200RPM ones now, getting pretty close to 300MB/sec.
> And really, you just want the backup to run, it doesn't have to be
> fancy. Macrium will only do around 350MB/sec or so, anyway. Presumably
> the checksum it calculates, slows it down. Even if you had two
> NVMe at 14000MB/sec, the Macrium would still only run at 350.
> It's not clear if the other backup programs, will run faster
> (AOMEI or Easeus).
>
> Maybe the Windows Backup would beat them, as I don't think the
> Windows Backup has a checksum protection.
>
> Paul
>

Here's the 8500 mrimg

https://postimg.cc/sv84t7zm

then C: drive

https://postimg.cc/ygQZ0CYj

then Disk MGmt

https://postimg.cc/JtFXn8F4

HD-Tune

https://postimg.cc/PNCL0cqG

https://postimg.cc/MXfT9Qsq

https://postimg.cc/fkvw2fc4

Robert

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Paul wrote:
> On 3/3/2024 3:16 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 3/1/2024 7:00 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here's the 780 mrimg:
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/B8z8jvtB
>>>>
>>>> Here's the 8500 mrimg. I closed the completed box
>>>> before I remembered to take a pic.
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/XpWrGmNm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> The I/O rate on the 8500 is a little better, as
>>> you would expect. But at least the 780 is doing
>>> better than USB2 rates.
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>
>> Although the computers seem fine and as I say they've
>> lasted all these years is there anything we can do
>> to lower the temp?
>>
>> I think you're right Dell cases weren't well designed
>> for airflow.
>>
>> Aside from the difference in HD-Tune on both computers
>> all seems fine. I checked and they both had the same
>> version 2.55
>>
>> Robert
>
> USB does not necessarily have passthru for SMART data.
> This causes the temperature and the health table to go missing.
>
> And getting a 200MB/sec transfer rate, in one of your pictures,
> is very good. I have very few hard drives that do that well.
> The drives in my disk pile, getting 150MB/sec is doing well.
>
> You can get higher rates, but the cost of the hard drive is
> prohibitive. At one time, only a 15K RPM drive could do 300MB/sec.
> But there are a few 7200RPM ones now, getting pretty close to 300MB/sec.
> And really, you just want the backup to run, it doesn't have to be
> fancy. Macrium will only do around 350MB/sec or so, anyway. Presumably
> the checksum it calculates, slows it down. Even if you had two
> NVMe at 14000MB/sec, the Macrium would still only run at 350.
> It's not clear if the other backup programs, will run faster
> (AOMEI or Easeus).
>
> Maybe the Windows Backup would beat them, as I don't think the
> Windows Backup has a checksum protection.
>
> Paul
>

Paul, are you there?

I just want to be assured in case I have a problem.

All things are working OK but I need to keep posting
on Solani in order to keep it active otherwise I'll loose
it.

So once a month after I do my mrimgs I'll post on
here with both servers. Usually, the 1st of the month.
If I have a problem I'll alert you.

Robert

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On 4/9/2024 5:47 PM, RobnCA wrote:

> Paul, are you there?
>
> I just want to be assured in case I have a problem.
>
> All things are working OK but I need to keep posting
> on Solani in order to keep it active otherwise I'll loose
> it.
>
> So once a month after I do my mrimgs I'll post on
> here with both servers. Usually, the 1st of the month.
> If I have a problem I'll alert you.
>
> Robert

Yes, I check the server occasionally.

Paul

Paul wrote:
> On 4/9/2024 5:47 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>
>> Paul, are you there?
>>
>> I just want to be assured in case I have a problem.
>>
>> All things are working OK but I need to keep posting
>> on Solani in order to keep it active otherwise I'll loose
>> it.
>>
>> So once a month after I do my mrimgs I'll post on
>> here with both servers. Usually, the 1st of the month.
>> If I have a problem I'll alert you.
>>
>> Robert
>
> Yes, I check the server occasionally.
>
> Paul
>

OK,, just wanted to be sure.

Have a good day,
Robert

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Paul wrote:
> On 4/9/2024 5:47 PM, RobnCA wrote:
>
>> Paul, are you there?
>>
>> I just want to be assured in case I have a problem.
>>
>> All things are working OK but I need to keep posting
>> on Solani in order to keep it active otherwise I'll loose
>> it.
>>
>> So once a month after I do my mrimgs I'll post on
>> here with both servers. Usually, the 1st of the month.
>> If I have a problem I'll alert you.
>>
>> Robert
>
> Yes, I check the server occasionally.
>
> Paul
>

I don't know if you've noticed but recently
YouTube has changed its layout where the
comments are on the right where videos use
to be and the videos are below where the
comments use to be.

I don't have a YouTube Account but is there
some way of getting my old YouTube layout
back?

I wish they would leave things alone.

Thanks,
Robert

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