Paul wrote:
> On 12/25/2023 2:06 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>
>>
>> Success !  I went into disk management and
>> took a pic for you then shutdown the 780.
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/JsZMWw46 # Successful LOCALGROUP command on account TEMP
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/k23PsjFx
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/94c55rk0 # In Safe Mode
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/c62p1DzV # First partition SR/Active,589MB,0x27 Second Parititon C: 1862.45GB, 2TB drive, MSDOS part
>>
>> Next we go into accounts and  delete the other
>> account with the pin numbers correct?
>>
>> After that I need to bring over my A?V suite
>> and we'll do the mediacreationtool as soon as
>> I get the DVD's. bookmarks,. my Documents
>> etc.
>>
>> Robert
>
> So that means, you can now do maintenance, if you log in as TEMP.
>
> You should be able to do
>
> net user TEMP # Review details of TEMP account, verify administrators is present
>
> If the TEMP account is looking good, you can turn the hack off
> from the Macrium LiveCD Command Prompt window. Using the diagram
> I posted with the instructions for the hack.
>
> If you want to make Rob an Administrator now, you can do it.
> In an Administrator Powershell, you can switch to cmd.exe like this, and do it.
> Switching to cmd.exe , is necessary some times when you cannot trust the
> Powershell environment with the execution of one of these commands.
>
> cmd.exe
> net LOCALGROUP Administrators Rob /ADD
>
> You can then do
>
> net user Rob
>
> and verify Rob is now an administrator.
>
> And if Robs password is not working, you should be able to fix that too.
> As TEMP, you should be able to override Robs local password, but not PIN or cloud MSA password.
>
> net user Rob NewPasswordGoesHere # Pick a better password than that...
>
> *******
>
> +-----+------------------------------+------------------------------------+
> | MBR | System Reserved 589MB Active | C: <Boot> 1862.45GB 1806 free | MSDOS partitioned, suited to Optiplex 780
> +-----+------------------------------+------------------------------------+
>
> Your C: drive could use a label. In File Explorer, do Properties on it.
> The label allows you to assign a short text string like "OrigW10"
> or "Refurb10", so at a later date, you will remember which OS that is.
>
> There might be one backup sitting in the C: partition somewhere.
>
> You can shrink C: from the Disk Management pane. Right click C: and
> there should be a "Shrink Volume" option. You can, for example,
> easily accept the defaults,
>
> "Enter the amount of space to shrink" <=== the amount will only be half of 1862, or about 931 or so.
> the field might read 931*1024= 953344 Megabytes
>
> There is some metadata, which is half way out on the C: partition,
> and the Microsoft software refuses to move it. Many third party
> partition managers will agree to move it.
>
> There are a couple ways you can achieve a more precise shrink (to about 76GB).
>
> 1) Paragon Partition Manager Free Edition (64-bit)
>
> https://download.cnet.com/paragon-partition-manager-free-edition-64-bit/3000-2248_4-10904411.html
>
> 2) If you do a backup of that C: partition to an external disk, then do
> a restore on top of C:, one of the options is to "resize the partition".
> You can use the resize control during the restore procedure, to achieve a
> 76GB partition, with all the original files in place.
>
> *******
>
> I don't want to overwhelm you with work.
> I'm just celebrating we might be in control.
> There's no big rush to do things, and they can be done one at a time.
>
> But at least now, if you need to do something as Administrator,
> you have a few more options.
>
> Paul
>

I was reading through your post trying to absorb it all,...whew!
when I got to your part about not trying to overwhelm me just
celebrating were in control *L* I pretty pleased about it myself.

I just want to have a Admin Account and a User Account. I would
rather leave Rob as a User but is there a way to turn off having to
login every time? I only do that on my Admin Accounts. That's
why I thought Rob was an Admin account at first. If I make Rob
a Admin Account then I need to make a User Account to take it's
place.

Can I also change the name of the Admin Account from TEMP to
something else? I would also have to change Rob to something else
because I use that for me User Accounts.

Also, the two Rob's reappeared.

I was thinking of adding my A/V suite, bookmarks, My Documents,
installing Dell Imaging, Word, Excel.

Why are we doing the partitioning again and will my other mrimgs
work afterwards?

Also, could you remind me again of what were using the
MediaCtreationTool for?
Is it to upgrade Win10 and/or create Win 10 hd's from Win 7 hd's?

So much to take in,.... but at least we got it elevated and working
thanks to all your good help.

Thanks,
Robert

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Paul wrote:
> On 12/25/2023 2:06 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>
>>
>> Success !  I went into disk management and
>> took a pic for you then shutdown the 780.
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/JsZMWw46 # Successful LOCALGROUP command on account TEMP
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/k23PsjFx
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/94c55rk0 # In Safe Mode
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/c62p1DzV # First partition SR/Active,589MB,0x27 Second Parititon C: 1862.45GB, 2TB drive, MSDOS part
>>
>> Next we go into accounts and  delete the other
>> account with the pin numbers correct?
>>
>> After that I need to bring over my A?V suite
>> and we'll do the mediacreationtool as soon as
>> I get the DVD's. bookmarks,. my Documents
>> etc.
>>
>> Robert
>
> So that means, you can now do maintenance, if you log in as TEMP.
>
> You should be able to do
>
> net user TEMP # Review details of TEMP account, verify administrators is present
>
> If the TEMP account is looking good, you can turn the hack off
> from the Macrium LiveCD Command Prompt window. Using the diagram
> I posted with the instructions for the hack.
>
> If you want to make Rob an Administrator now, you can do it.
> In an Administrator Powershell, you can switch to cmd.exe like this, and do it.
> Switching to cmd.exe , is necessary some times when you cannot trust the
> Powershell environment with the execution of one of these commands.
>
> cmd.exe
> net LOCALGROUP Administrators Rob /ADD
>
> You can then do
>
> net user Rob
>
> and verify Rob is now an administrator.
>
> And if Robs password is not working, you should be able to fix that too.
> As TEMP, you should be able to override Robs local password, but not PIN or cloud MSA password.
>
> net user Rob NewPasswordGoesHere # Pick a better password than that...
>
> *******
>
> +-----+------------------------------+------------------------------------+
> | MBR | System Reserved 589MB Active | C: <Boot> 1862.45GB 1806 free | MSDOS partitioned, suited to Optiplex 780
> +-----+------------------------------+------------------------------------+
>
> Your C: drive could use a label. In File Explorer, do Properties on it.
> The label allows you to assign a short text string like "OrigW10"
> or "Refurb10", so at a later date, you will remember which OS that is.
>
> There might be one backup sitting in the C: partition somewhere.
>
> You can shrink C: from the Disk Management pane. Right click C: and
> there should be a "Shrink Volume" option. You can, for example,
> easily accept the defaults,
>
> "Enter the amount of space to shrink" <=== the amount will only be half of 1862, or about 931 or so.
> the field might read 931*1024= 953344 Megabytes
>
> There is some metadata, which is half way out on the C: partition,
> and the Microsoft software refuses to move it. Many third party
> partition managers will agree to move it.
>
> There are a couple ways you can achieve a more precise shrink (to about 76GB).
>
> 1) Paragon Partition Manager Free Edition (64-bit)
>
> https://download.cnet.com/paragon-partition-manager-free-edition-64-bit/3000-2248_4-10904411.html
>
> 2) If you do a backup of that C: partition to an external disk, then do
> a restore on top of C:, one of the options is to "resize the partition".
> You can use the resize control during the restore procedure, to achieve a
> 76GB partition, with all the original files in place.
>
> *******
>
> I don't want to overwhelm you with work.
> I'm just celebrating we might be in control.
> There's no big rush to do things, and they can be done one at a time.
>
> But at least now, if you need to do something as Administrator,
> you have a few more options.
>
> Paul
>

I did a few more things

https://postimg.cc/grtbnkfx

https://postimg.cc/7CnpDx3Y

https://postimg.cc/Z0MXJsd3

Robert

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On 12/25/2023 3:28 AM, Robert in CA wrote:

> I removed the hack,..
>
> https://postimg.cc/Y4zs3KQT # Looks good. Hack removed
>
> then I went back and deleted the other account with the pin numbers. but
> I got a screen I couldn't get around and so I said no to most of it. I wish
> they wouldn't do things like that. Then got a pop-up for my ergonomic
> keyboard and didn't know what to do with that either so I closed it.
>
> https://postimg.cc/G95Szjs3 # "Privacy Settings" appears on first usage of a new (TEMP) account
>
> https://postimg.cc/Vdw0xxtK # It installed kbd driver. Then realized it could install a control panel. "No" is fine.
>
> https://postimg.cc/p5Hytjmm # control /name microsoft.useraccounts , then "Manage another account"
>
> https://postimg.cc/G9FHxXfG # Has deleted foreign account
>
> https://postimg.cc/34gJ9wtY # Logging in as Rob
>
> https://postimg.cc/SX9MFkgt # The logging-in-twice problem ???
>
> Why can't I switch accounts in Win 10? It only shows # Fast user switching is gone
>
> Sign out
>
> Sleep
>
> Shutdown
>
> Restart
>
>
> I had to restart the 780 to login the Admin Account to delete the other
> account but then had to restart it again to login in my User Account. I
> noticed that the 2 Rob's were still there then all of a sudden there was
> only one with the TEMP account.
>
> I should be able to switch between accounts without restarting the 780.
>
> Robert

Fast User Switching is gone from that menu. This did not work.

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System\
HideFastUserSwitching DWORD 0

But other menus have "Switch User".

Use control-alt-delete then "Switch User". I got the info from here.

https://www.majorgeeks.com/content/page/restart_windows_10_computer.html

Note that, later in Task Manager, Lowboy cannot view the tasks of Bullwinkle (administrator).
But Bullwinkle can see his own processes, as well as Lowboy. This proves that
it is actual FastUserSwitching, and not a total logout for the other user.
Bullwinkle collected this image as he is the Administrator.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/52SxnLBQ/Bullwinkle-and-Lowboy-in-Task-Manager.gif

So yes, you can move between sessions.

*******

Let's do your images

https://postimg.cc/G95Szjs3 # "Privacy Settings" appears on first usage of a new (TEMP) account. Set all to OFF.

https://postimg.cc/Vdw0xxtK # It installed kbd driver. Then realized it could install a control panel. "No" is fine.

https://postimg.cc/p5Hytjmm # control /name microsoft.useraccounts , then "Manage another account"
# I prefer the easy visual review of accounts this way. Test using the TEMP account.

https://postimg.cc/G9FHxXfG # Has deleted foreign account

https://postimg.cc/34gJ9wtY # Logging in as Rob

https://postimg.cc/SX9MFkgt # The logging-in-twice problem ??? If so, could be related to netplwiz.

When you get a chance, test this and take a picture, blotting out
the details as you see fit.

control /name microsoft.useraccounts

click "Manage another account"
take a picture (snippingtool.exe)
Right-click the surface of the picture, Save As, save as a PNG, edit with your tools, postimage it.

Paul

Paul wrote:
> On 12/25/2023 3:28 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>
>> I removed the hack,..
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/Y4zs3KQT # Looks good. Hack removed
>>
>> then I went back and deleted the other account with the pin numbers. but
>> I got a screen I couldn't get around and so I said no to most of it. I wish
>> they wouldn't do things like that. Then got a pop-up for my ergonomic
>> keyboard and didn't know what to do with that either so I closed it.
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/G95Szjs3 # "Privacy Settings" appears on first usage of a new (TEMP) account
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/Vdw0xxtK # It installed kbd driver. Then realized it could install a control panel. "No" is fine.
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/p5Hytjmm # control /name microsoft.useraccounts , then "Manage another account"
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/G9FHxXfG # Has deleted foreign account
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/34gJ9wtY # Logging in as Rob
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/SX9MFkgt # The logging-in-twice problem ???
>>
>> Why can't I switch accounts in Win 10? It only shows # Fast user switching is gone
>>
>> Sign out
>>
>> Sleep
>>
>> Shutdown
>>
>> Restart
>>
>>
>> I had to restart the 780 to login the Admin Account to delete the other
>> account but then had to restart it again to login in my User Account. I
>> noticed that the 2 Rob's were still there then all of a sudden there was
>> only one with the TEMP account.
>>
>> I should be able to switch between accounts without restarting the 780.
>>
>> Robert
>
> Fast User Switching is gone from that menu. This did not work.
>
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System\
> HideFastUserSwitching DWORD 0
>
> But other menus have "Switch User".
>
> Use control-alt-delete then "Switch User". I got the info from here.
>
> https://www.majorgeeks.com/content/page/restart_windows_10_computer.html
>
> Note that, later in Task Manager, Lowboy cannot view the tasks of Bullwinkle (administrator).
> But Bullwinkle can see his own processes, as well as Lowboy. This proves that
> it is actual FastUserSwitching, and not a total logout for the other user.
> Bullwinkle collected this image as he is the Administrator.
>
> [Picture]
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/52SxnLBQ/Bullwinkle-and-Lowboy-in-Task-Manager.gif
>
> So yes, you can move between sessions.
>
> *******
>
> Let's do your images
>
> https://postimg.cc/G95Szjs3 # "Privacy Settings" appears on first usage of a new (TEMP) account. Set all to OFF.
>
> https://postimg.cc/Vdw0xxtK # It installed kbd driver. Then realized it could install a control panel. "No" is fine.
>
> https://postimg.cc/p5Hytjmm # control /name microsoft.useraccounts , then "Manage another account"
> # I prefer the easy visual review of accounts this way. Test using the TEMP account.
>
> https://postimg.cc/G9FHxXfG # Has deleted foreign account
>
> https://postimg.cc/34gJ9wtY # Logging in as Rob
>
> https://postimg.cc/SX9MFkgt # The logging-in-twice problem ??? If so, could be related to netplwiz.
>
> When you get a chance, test this and take a picture, blotting out
> the details as you see fit.
>
> control /name microsoft.useraccounts
>
> click "Manage another account"
> take a picture (snippingtool.exe)
> Right-click the surface of the picture, Save As, save as a PNG, edit with your tools, postimage it.
>
> Paul
>

Oh OK, so I do ctrl--alt-delete to switch users on the 780.

I tried it, I could switch from Rob to the TEMP Admin
Account and back but I had to sign in again to Rob.

Isn't there some way of getting rid of me having to sign in to
Rob everytime? It's only a User Account.

I followed your instructions :

https://postimg.cc/K1Y0Z4Vz

https://postimg.cc/4YMqqzdZ

https://postimg.cc/mhwqBxDm

https://postimg.cc/VSqggM0K

https://postimg.cc/MvgY8tys

https://postimg.cc/z3cCnpPJ

I tried it first on the Rob Account and then on the Temp
Admin Account.

Robert

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On 12/25/2023 5:18 AM, Robert in CA wrote:

>
> I did a few more things
>
> https://postimg.cc/grtbnkfx
>
> https://postimg.cc/7CnpDx3Y
>
> https://postimg.cc/Z0MXJsd3
>
>
> Robert

Now see, at the moment, all I see is "Rob" (unelevated) and "TEMP" (elevated).

You don't have an elevated account to replace TEMP yet.

While logged in as TEMP, and using a Powershell administrators window,
you can add NewAccount:NewPassword (where you substitute the values for those, that YOU want to use).

net user NewAccount NewPassword /ADD # Add the account.

net LOCALGROUP Administrators NewAccount /ADD # Make the account an administrator (we're replacing TEMP).

net user NewAccount # Verify the command worked!!!

Don't lose control of the machine.
Need one working Administrator account at all times.

Paul

On 12/25/2023 5:04 AM, Robert in CA wrote:

>
> I was reading through your post trying to absorb it all,...whew!
> when I got to your part about not trying to overwhelm me just
> celebrating were in control *L* I pretty pleased about it myself.
>
> I just want to have a Admin Account and a User Account. I would
> rather leave Rob as a User but is there a way to turn off having to
> login  every time? I only do that on my Admin Accounts. That's
> why I thought Rob was an Admin account at first. If I make Rob
> a Admin Account then I need to make a User Account to take it's
> place.
>
> Can I also change the name of the Admin Account from TEMP to
> something else? I would also have to change Rob to something else
> because I use that for me User Accounts.
>
> Also, the two Rob's reappeared.
>
> I was thinking of adding my A/V suite, bookmarks, My Documents,
> installing Dell Imaging, Word, Excel.
>
> Why are we doing the partitioning again and will my other mrimgs
> work afterwards?
>
> Also, could you remind me again of what were using the MediaCtreationTool for?
> Is it to upgrade Win10 and/or create Win 10 hd's from Win 7 hd's?
>
> So much to take in,.... but at least we got it elevated and working
> thanks to all your good help.
>
> Thanks,
> Robert

What counts, is whether you are happy with where you are on the
computer or not. There's no need to do extra work, if the function
is OK.

Since Win10 is no longer being Upgraded, only Updated, I think using
MediaCreationTool and getting a Windows.ISO is a good safety precaution.
If I only had a dollar, for each user who could not find the ISO to
install a Windows OS when they needed one... These files do not last forever.
When it makes Windows.iso, don't forget to rename it in a descriptive
way, such as Win10-22H2-x64.iso , so you will know what it is later.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

*******

Renaming accounts is not recommended. When you made TEMP, some entries
were made in Regedit for you. To chase after this crap, and change everything
over, I don't think even Microsoft wants to do that. For low-value accounts,
you remove them when they are no longer serving a purpose.

Now that you are administrator, you can make additional accounts.
You can open an Administrator terminal, using one of your Administrator
accounts, and make a new account. It does not have to be TEMP. Now that
you know the two commands used for making a user account, you can
skip a lot of steps. One command makes the account. The second command,
optionally, makes the account belong to the Administrator group.

Once the new account exists, you can remove the TEMP account using the GUI.

control /name microsoft.useraccounts

# Then "Manage another account"

But be careful to always leave at least *one* administrator account with working password.
You'll never remember how that hack works, two years from now. And neither will I :-)

Microsoft does not intend for "netplwiz" to keep working (it is more or less deprecated).
I cannot guarantee under what conditions it will work, or not work.
When there are multiple accounts, that makes it harder for
netplwiz to be applicable, since there is the account selection
step at the beginning. I have OSes here, where netplwiz no longer works,
even with only the one account.

Some operation involving "netplwiz", may make the additional Rob entry disappear.
You might try putting the password requirement back, using that, and see
if the second entry disappears or not.

As of today, I would not be in a rush to remove TEMP. Leave it there,
write down the password you used, and once Rob is "perfectly functional"
and you have both an elevated and an un-elevated account you like,
that might be the time to flush TEMP into the ocean. I just don't want you
having to use the hack again. And I do want you to have that Win10 DVD or
USB stick available, if there is trouble that required paving and reinstalling.

I would copy over your materials, as needed, once the account situation
has settled, and you are happy that it is 100% functional and meets
all your requirements. It's not good to do a lot of install work,
and then realize an account needs to be trashed and re-created.

Paul

On 12/25/2023 11:31 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>> On 12/25/2023 3:28 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>
>>> I removed the hack,..
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/Y4zs3KQT        # Looks good. Hack removed
>>>
>>> then I went back and deleted the other account with the pin numbers. but
>>> I got a screen I couldn't get around and so I said no to most of it. I wish
>>> they wouldn't do things like that. Then got a pop-up for my ergonomic
>>> keyboard and didn't know what to do with that either so I closed it.
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/G95Szjs3    # "Privacy Settings" appears on first usage of a new (TEMP) account
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/Vdw0xxtK    # It installed kbd driver. Then realized it could install a control panel. "No" is fine.
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/p5Hytjmm    # control /name microsoft.useraccounts , then "Manage another account"
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/G9FHxXfG    # Has deleted foreign account
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/34gJ9wtY    # Logging in as Rob
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/SX9MFkgt    # The logging-in-twice problem ???
>>>
>>> Why can't I switch accounts in Win 10? It only shows        # Fast user switching is gone
>>>
>>> Sign out
>>>
>>> Sleep
>>>
>>> Shutdown
>>>
>>> Restart
>>>
>>>
>>> I had to restart the 780 to login the Admin Account to delete the other
>>> account but then had to restart it again to login in my User Account. I
>>> noticed that the 2 Rob's were still there then all of a sudden there was
>>> only one with the TEMP account.
>>>
>>> I should be able to switch between accounts without restarting the 780.
>>>
>>> Robert
>>
>> Fast User Switching is gone from that menu. This did not work.
>>
>>      HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System\
>>          HideFastUserSwitching    DWORD    0
>>
>> But other menus have "Switch User".
>>
>> Use control-alt-delete then "Switch User".  I got the info from here.
>>
>>      https://www.majorgeeks.com/content/page/restart_windows_10_computer.html
>>
>> Note that, later in Task Manager, Lowboy cannot view the tasks of Bullwinkle (administrator).
>> But Bullwinkle can see his own processes, as well as Lowboy. This proves that
>> it is actual FastUserSwitching, and not a total logout for the other user.
>> Bullwinkle collected this image as he is the Administrator.
>>
>>      [Picture]
>>
>>       https://i.postimg.cc/52SxnLBQ/Bullwinkle-and-Lowboy-in-Task-Manager.gif
>>
>> So yes, you can move between sessions.
>>
>> *******
>>
>> Let's do your images
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/G95Szjs3    # "Privacy Settings" appears on first usage of a new (TEMP) account. Set all to OFF.
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/Vdw0xxtK    # It installed kbd driver. Then realized it could install a control panel. "No" is fine.
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/p5Hytjmm    # control /name microsoft.useraccounts , then "Manage another account"
>>                                 # I prefer the easy visual review of accounts this way. Test using the TEMP account.
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/G9FHxXfG    # Has deleted foreign account
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/34gJ9wtY    # Logging in as Rob
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/SX9MFkgt    # The logging-in-twice problem ???  If so, could be related to netplwiz.
>>
>> When you get a chance, test this and take a picture, blotting out
>> the details as you see fit.
>>
>>     control /name microsoft.useraccounts
>>
>>     click "Manage another account"
>>     take a picture (snippingtool.exe)
>>     Right-click the surface of the picture, Save As, save as a PNG, edit with your tools, postimage it.
>>
>>    Paul
>>
>
>
>
> Oh OK, so I do ctrl--alt-delete to switch users on the 780.
>
> I tried it, I could switch from Rob to the TEMP Admin
> Account and back but I had to sign in again to Rob.
>
> Isn't there some way of getting rid of me having to sign in to
> Rob everytime? It's only a User Account.
>
> I followed your instructions :
>
> https://postimg.cc/K1Y0Z4Vz # Rob is local account
>
> https://postimg.cc/4YMqqzdZ # (Needing to elevate to TEMP, to Manage Other Accounts)
>
> https://postimg.cc/mhwqBxDm
>
> https://postimg.cc/VSqggM0K # Logged in as TEMP the Administrator
>
> https://postimg.cc/MvgY8tys # Only two accounts exist. TEMP the Administrator, Rob the User
>
> https://postimg.cc/z3cCnpPJ
>
> I tried it first on the Rob Account and then on the Temp
> Admin Account.
>
>
> Robert

You only have two accounts now. If you need to change an account name,
like change TEMP to LtCommander, then you would make a new account for that.

DO NOT delete TEMP, until the LTCommander account is made, if that's your plan.

Using "netplwiz", set up Rob again to use a password at Login, and
see, after a reboot, whether Rob behaves normally or not.

It seems, the thing you are experiencing, is caused by "netplwiz"
being done with the wrong password. Did you reset the password on Rob ?
The netplwiz password override now no longer matches the new Rob password.

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-10/windows-10-showing-two-accounts-at-login/m-p/1658066

If so, you need to use netplwiz again, remove the lack of need to enter
a password, and verify the extra account disappeared (by rebooting).
Then enter netplwiz again, and enter the correct password for Rob.
And maybe this time, you will get Rob to start without entering a password,.

Paul

Paul wrote:
> On 12/25/2023 11:31 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 12/25/2023 3:28 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>>
>>>> I removed the hack,..
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/Y4zs3KQT        # Looks good. Hack removed
>>>>
>>>> then I went back and deleted the other account with the pin numbers. but
>>>> I got a screen I couldn't get around and so I said no to most of it. I wish
>>>> they wouldn't do things like that. Then got a pop-up for my ergonomic
>>>> keyboard and didn't know what to do with that either so I closed it.
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/G95Szjs3    # "Privacy Settings" appears on first usage of a new (TEMP) account
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/Vdw0xxtK    # It installed kbd driver. Then realized it could install a control panel. "No" is fine.
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/p5Hytjmm    # control /name microsoft.useraccounts , then "Manage another account"
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/G9FHxXfG    # Has deleted foreign account
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/34gJ9wtY    # Logging in as Rob
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/SX9MFkgt    # The logging-in-twice problem ???
>>>>
>>>> Why can't I switch accounts in Win 10? It only shows        # Fast user switching is gone
>>>>
>>>> Sign out
>>>>
>>>> Sleep
>>>>
>>>> Shutdown
>>>>
>>>> Restart
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I had to restart the 780 to login the Admin Account to delete the other
>>>> account but then had to restart it again to login in my User Account. I
>>>> noticed that the 2 Rob's were still there then all of a sudden there was
>>>> only one with the TEMP account.
>>>>
>>>> I should be able to switch between accounts without restarting the 780.
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> Fast User Switching is gone from that menu. This did not work.
>>>
>>>      HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System\
>>>          HideFastUserSwitching    DWORD    0
>>>
>>> But other menus have "Switch User".
>>>
>>> Use control-alt-delete then "Switch User".  I got the info from here.
>>>
>>>      https://www.majorgeeks.com/content/page/restart_windows_10_computer.html
>>>
>>> Note that, later in Task Manager, Lowboy cannot view the tasks of Bullwinkle (administrator).
>>> But Bullwinkle can see his own processes, as well as Lowboy. This proves that
>>> it is actual FastUserSwitching, and not a total logout for the other user.
>>> Bullwinkle collected this image as he is the Administrator.
>>>
>>>      [Picture]
>>>
>>>       https://i.postimg.cc/52SxnLBQ/Bullwinkle-and-Lowboy-in-Task-Manager.gif
>>>
>>> So yes, you can move between sessions.
>>>
>>> *******
>>>
>>> Let's do your images
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/G95Szjs3    # "Privacy Settings" appears on first usage of a new (TEMP) account. Set all to OFF.
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/Vdw0xxtK    # It installed kbd driver. Then realized it could install a control panel. "No" is fine.
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/p5Hytjmm    # control /name microsoft.useraccounts , then "Manage another account"
>>>                                 # I prefer the easy visual review of accounts this way. Test using the TEMP account.
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/G9FHxXfG    # Has deleted foreign account
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/34gJ9wtY    # Logging in as Rob
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/SX9MFkgt    # The logging-in-twice problem ???  If so, could be related to netplwiz.
>>>
>>> When you get a chance, test this and take a picture, blotting out
>>> the details as you see fit.
>>>
>>>     control /name microsoft.useraccounts
>>>
>>>     click "Manage another account"
>>>     take a picture (snippingtool.exe)
>>>     Right-click the surface of the picture, Save As, save as a PNG, edit with your tools, postimage it.
>>>
>>>    Paul
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh OK, so I do ctrl--alt-delete to switch users on the 780.
>>
>> I tried it, I could switch from Rob to the TEMP Admin
>> Account and back but I had to sign in again to Rob.
>>
>> Isn't there some way of getting rid of me having to sign in to
>> Rob everytime? It's only a User Account.
>>
>> I followed your instructions :
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/K1Y0Z4Vz # Rob is local account
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/4YMqqzdZ # (Needing to elevate to TEMP, to Manage Other Accounts)
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/mhwqBxDm
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/VSqggM0K # Logged in as TEMP the Administrator
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/MvgY8tys # Only two accounts exist. TEMP the Administrator, Rob the User
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/z3cCnpPJ
>>
>> I tried it first on the Rob Account and then on the Temp
>> Admin Account.
>>
>>
>> Robert
>
> You only have two accounts now. If you need to change an account name,
> like change TEMP to LtCommander, then you would make a new account for that.
>
> DO NOT delete TEMP, until the LTCommander account is made, if that's your plan.
>
> Using "netplwiz", set up Rob again to use a password at Login, and
> see, after a reboot, whether Rob behaves normally or not.
>
> It seems, the thing you are experiencing, is caused by "netplwiz"
> being done with the wrong password. Did you reset the password on Rob ?
> The netplwiz password override now no longer matches the new Rob password.
>
> https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-10/windows-10-showing-two-accounts-at-login/m-p/1658066
>
> If so, you need to use netplwiz again, remove the lack of need to enter
> a password, and verify the extra account disappeared (by rebooting).
> Then enter netplwiz again, and enter the correct password for Rob.
> And maybe this time, you will get Rob to start without entering a password,.
>
> Paul
>
>

I tried to add a Admin Account but it didn't have

C:\\WINDOWS\system32>

It had

C:\\Users\TEMP>

So the command failed.

https://postimg.cc/B8RHkb3y

I added Dell Image Expert 2000 to the Win 10 and had to
also install Quicktime with it. I also installed Word and Excel.

Robert

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Paul wrote:
> On 12/25/2023 11:31 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 12/25/2023 3:28 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>>
>>>> I removed the hack,..
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/Y4zs3KQT        # Looks good. Hack removed
>>>>
>>>> then I went back and deleted the other account with the pin numbers. but
>>>> I got a screen I couldn't get around and so I said no to most of it. I wish
>>>> they wouldn't do things like that. Then got a pop-up for my ergonomic
>>>> keyboard and didn't know what to do with that either so I closed it.
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/G95Szjs3    # "Privacy Settings" appears on first usage of a new (TEMP) account
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/Vdw0xxtK    # It installed kbd driver. Then realized it could install a control panel. "No" is fine.
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/p5Hytjmm    # control /name microsoft.useraccounts , then "Manage another account"
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/G9FHxXfG    # Has deleted foreign account
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/34gJ9wtY    # Logging in as Rob
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/SX9MFkgt    # The logging-in-twice problem ???
>>>>
>>>> Why can't I switch accounts in Win 10? It only shows        # Fast user switching is gone
>>>>
>>>> Sign out
>>>>
>>>> Sleep
>>>>
>>>> Shutdown
>>>>
>>>> Restart
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I had to restart the 780 to login the Admin Account to delete the other
>>>> account but then had to restart it again to login in my User Account. I
>>>> noticed that the 2 Rob's were still there then all of a sudden there was
>>>> only one with the TEMP account.
>>>>
>>>> I should be able to switch between accounts without restarting the 780.
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> Fast User Switching is gone from that menu. This did not work.
>>>
>>>      HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System\
>>>          HideFastUserSwitching    DWORD    0
>>>
>>> But other menus have "Switch User".
>>>
>>> Use control-alt-delete then "Switch User".  I got the info from here.
>>>
>>>      https://www.majorgeeks.com/content/page/restart_windows_10_computer.html
>>>
>>> Note that, later in Task Manager, Lowboy cannot view the tasks of Bullwinkle (administrator).
>>> But Bullwinkle can see his own processes, as well as Lowboy. This proves that
>>> it is actual FastUserSwitching, and not a total logout for the other user.
>>> Bullwinkle collected this image as he is the Administrator.
>>>
>>>      [Picture]
>>>
>>>       https://i.postimg.cc/52SxnLBQ/Bullwinkle-and-Lowboy-in-Task-Manager.gif
>>>
>>> So yes, you can move between sessions.
>>>
>>> *******
>>>
>>> Let's do your images
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/G95Szjs3    # "Privacy Settings" appears on first usage of a new (TEMP) account. Set all to OFF.
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/Vdw0xxtK    # It installed kbd driver. Then realized it could install a control panel. "No" is fine.
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/p5Hytjmm    # control /name microsoft.useraccounts , then "Manage another account"
>>>                                 # I prefer the easy visual review of accounts this way. Test using the TEMP account.
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/G9FHxXfG    # Has deleted foreign account
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/34gJ9wtY    # Logging in as Rob
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/SX9MFkgt    # The logging-in-twice problem ???  If so, could be related to netplwiz.
>>>
>>> When you get a chance, test this and take a picture, blotting out
>>> the details as you see fit.
>>>
>>>     control /name microsoft.useraccounts
>>>
>>>     click "Manage another account"
>>>     take a picture (snippingtool.exe)
>>>     Right-click the surface of the picture, Save As, save as a PNG, edit with your tools, postimage it.
>>>
>>>    Paul
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh OK, so I do ctrl--alt-delete to switch users on the 780.
>>
>> I tried it, I could switch from Rob to the TEMP Admin
>> Account and back but I had to sign in again to Rob.
>>
>> Isn't there some way of getting rid of me having to sign in to
>> Rob everytime? It's only a User Account.
>>
>> I followed your instructions :
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/K1Y0Z4Vz # Rob is local account
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/4YMqqzdZ # (Needing to elevate to TEMP, to Manage Other Accounts)
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/mhwqBxDm
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/VSqggM0K # Logged in as TEMP the Administrator
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/MvgY8tys # Only two accounts exist. TEMP the Administrator, Rob the User
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/z3cCnpPJ
>>
>> I tried it first on the Rob Account and then on the Temp
>> Admin Account.
>>
>>
>> Robert
>
> You only have two accounts now. If you need to change an account name,
> like change TEMP to LtCommander, then you would make a new account for that.
>
> DO NOT delete TEMP, until the LTCommander account is made, if that's your plan.
>
> Using "netplwiz", set up Rob again to use a password at Login, and
> see, after a reboot, whether Rob behaves normally or not.
>
> It seems, the thing you are experiencing, is caused by "netplwiz"
> being done with the wrong password. Did you reset the password on Rob ?
> The netplwiz password override now no longer matches the new Rob password.
>
> https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-10/windows-10-showing-two-accounts-at-login/m-p/1658066
>
> If so, you need to use netplwiz again, remove the lack of need to enter
> a password, and verify the extra account disappeared (by rebooting).
> Then enter netplwiz again, and enter the correct password for Rob.
> And maybe this time, you will get Rob to start without entering a password,.
>
> Paul
>
>

I'm not quite following you with the link you gave. IS this the
mediacreationtool you want me to download? We have to wait for
the DVD-RDL's for that. Or is this something else you want me to download?

Can I use DVD-RW, or DVD's? I only have (1) Patriot with some
string you wanted me to use for SeaMonkey but I can delete it
since we have Sea Monkey working.

Robert

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On 12/26/2023 3:20 AM, Robert in CA wrote:

>
> I'm not quite following you with the link you gave. IS this the
> mediacreationtool you want me to download? We have to wait for
> the DVD-RDL's for that. Or is this something else you want me to download?
>
> Can I use DVD-RW, or DVD's? I only have (1) Patriot with some
> string you wanted me to use for SeaMonkey but I can delete it
> since we have Sea Monkey working.
>
> Robert

I'm not proposing you use the Windows.iso that the mediacreationtool.exe makes.

The idea is, you download it, and put it some place you can find it for later.

If you ever need to REINSTALL Windows 10, this is when you access the ISO file.

You can burn a DVD with it (some day in the future is fine).

You can also transfer the ISO to the Patriot and make it bootable, with rufus.ie tool.
That's a website in Ireland.

Lots of people ask me where they can find old Windows ISO files, and a lot
of those have dried up. For example, there are very few sources of Windows 7 left.
The days of easily getting a Windows 7 are pretty well over. I'm talking about
reputable sites that are trustworthy. You can download it from practically
anywhere... if you have a SHA256 checksum for it. That's so you could verify
it is legitimate.

You only need to burn a DVD with that content, when you need it for some reason.
There is no reason now, to burn it in advance. But some day you might need it,
and keeping a copy now for yourself, is better than scrambling for a copy later.

Paul

On 12/26/2023 3:06 AM, Robert in CA wrote:

>
> I tried to add a Admin Account but it didn't have
>
> C:\\WINDOWS\system32>
>
> It had
>
> C:\\Users\TEMP>
>
> So the command failed.
>
> https://postimg.cc/B8RHkb3y
>
> I added Dell Image Expert 2000 to the Win 10 and had to
> also install Quicktime with it. I also installed Word and Excel.
>
> Robert

OK, to start with, that's not an Administrator terminal.

If you go Start : Run : cmd.exe

you have to press Shift-Control-Enter to have it elevate to administrator.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/fbNw2P9K/elevate-the-start-run-box.gif

(Windows 7 made this easier, by having a modifier near the box to use.)

The command did not fail because of the working directory.

The attempt to modify an account, needed elevation to work.
An Administrator, fiddles with accounts.

Any time an error number ends in five (5), that is a sign
that it was a permission problem and needs elevation to work.

You can Google for details, but something ending in five,
a good guess is it needs some elevation to gain access to
the command or operation.

Now, pick a brand new password for the account, and try again :-)

Paul

Paul wrote:
> On 12/26/2023 3:20 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm not quite following you with the link you gave. IS this the
>> mediacreationtool you want me to download? We have to wait for
>> the DVD-RDL's for that. Or is this something else you want me to download?
>>
>> Can I use DVD-RW, or DVD's? I only have (1) Patriot with some
>> string you wanted me to use for SeaMonkey but I can delete it
>> since we have Sea Monkey working.
>>
>> Robert
>
> I'm not proposing you use the Windows.iso that the mediacreationtool.exe makes.
>
> The idea is, you download it, and put it some place you can find it for later.
>
> If you ever need to REINSTALL Windows 10, this is when you access the ISO file.
>
> You can burn a DVD with it (some day in the future is fine).
>
> You can also transfer the ISO to the Patriot and make it bootable, with rufus.ie tool.
> That's a website in Ireland.
>
> Lots of people ask me where they can find old Windows ISO files, and a lot
> of those have dried up. For example, there are very few sources of Windows 7 left.
> The days of easily getting a Windows 7 are pretty well over. I'm talking about
> reputable sites that are trustworthy. You can download it from practically
> anywhere... if you have a SHA256 checksum for it. That's so you could verify
> it is legitimate.
>
> You only need to burn a DVD with that content, when you need it for some reason.
> There is no reason now, to burn it in advance. But some day you might need it,
> and keeping a copy now for yourself, is better than scrambling for a copy later.
>
> Paul
>

I’m on the 780 Seamonkey,.. I had to set it up

I tried to download the medicacreationtool but it doesn’t
give an option to saving it elsewhere. I tried to copy paste
to a DVD but it didn’t work. Also don’t I need to order the
DVD+RDL’s for this because its so big?

https://postimg.cc/BjM6Ngfn

I tried again and entered Start: Run: cmd.exe

Then I tried shift-control-enter but it did not change.

It kept the C:\\Users\TEMP>

Robert

On 12/26/2023 7:07 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>> On 12/26/2023 3:20 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I'm not quite following you with the link you gave. IS this the
>>> mediacreationtool you want me to download? We have to wait for
>>> the DVD-RDL's for that. Or is this something else you want me to download?
>>>
>>> Can I use DVD-RW, or DVD's? I only have (1) Patriot with some
>>> string you wanted me to use for SeaMonkey but I can delete it
>>> since we have Sea Monkey working.
>>>
>>> Robert
>>
>> I'm not proposing you use the Windows.iso that the mediacreationtool.exe makes.
>>
>> The idea is, you download it, and put it some place you can find it for later.
>>
>> If you ever need to REINSTALL Windows 10, this is when you access the ISO file.
>>
>> You can burn a DVD with it (some day in the future is fine).
>>
>> You can also transfer the ISO to the Patriot and make it bootable, with rufus.ie tool.
>> That's a website in Ireland.
>>
>> Lots of people ask me where they can find old Windows ISO files, and a lot
>> of those have dried up. For example, there are very few sources of Windows 7 left.
>> The days of easily getting a Windows 7 are pretty well over. I'm talking about
>> reputable sites that are trustworthy. You can download it from practically
>> anywhere... if you have a SHA256 checksum for it. That's so you could verify
>> it is legitimate.
>>
>> You only need to burn a DVD with that content, when you need it for some reason.
>> There is no reason now, to burn it in advance. But some day you might need it,
>> and keeping a copy now for yourself, is better than scrambling for a copy later.
>>
>>     Paul
>>
>
> I’m on the 780 Seamonkey,.. I had to set it up
>
> I tried to download the medicacreationtool but it doesn’t
> give an option to saving it elsewhere. I tried to copy paste
> to a DVD  but it didn’t work. Also don’t I need to order the
> DVD+RDL’s for this because its so big?
>
> https://postimg.cc/BjM6Ngfn
>
> I tried again and entered Start: Run: cmd.exe
>
> Then I tried shift-control-enter but it did not change.
>
> It kept the C:\\Users\TEMP>
>
> Robert

The mediacreationtool22H2.exe is likely in your Downloads folder.

It is an executable. When you run it, you tell it you are
"preparing media for another user". That causes it to deposit
a Windows.iso , rather than burning something or making USB sticks
or whatever.

Find the executable.

Run it.

Tell it you're making media for another user.

It should make a x64 Windows.iso, as that's the one you are
most likely to use.

After an hour or so, maybe it will be downloaded. Then it should finish up.

Do not get confused when it finishes up. As long as the Windows.iso is
in the Downloads folder, do not get tricked into doing anything else,
such as getting tricked to use the DVD burner. None of that is needed
right now. Besides, you have to check the size and notice it is
slightly bigger than 4,700,000,000 but not by much. The MediaCreationTool
version is smaller than the Linux version. But still not small enough :-/

*******

I don't understand why you Run box is not behaving like mine.
Here is mine. Review and see if you can spot something which
matters, which is different than yours. I'm using the TEMP acct now.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/Znf71xhf/elevated-cmd-using-TEMP-acct.gif

Paul

Paul wrote:
> On 12/26/2023 7:07 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 12/26/2023 3:20 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not quite following you with the link you gave. IS this the
>>>> mediacreationtool you want me to download? We have to wait for
>>>> the DVD-RDL's for that. Or is this something else you want me to download?
>>>>
>>>> Can I use DVD-RW, or DVD's? I only have (1) Patriot with some
>>>> string you wanted me to use for SeaMonkey but I can delete it
>>>> since we have Sea Monkey working.
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> I'm not proposing you use the Windows.iso that the mediacreationtool.exe makes.
>>>
>>> The idea is, you download it, and put it some place you can find it for later.
>>>
>>> If you ever need to REINSTALL Windows 10, this is when you access the ISO file.
>>>
>>> You can burn a DVD with it (some day in the future is fine).
>>>
>>> You can also transfer the ISO to the Patriot and make it bootable, with rufus.ie tool.
>>> That's a website in Ireland.
>>>
>>> Lots of people ask me where they can find old Windows ISO files, and a lot
>>> of those have dried up. For example, there are very few sources of Windows 7 left.
>>> The days of easily getting a Windows 7 are pretty well over. I'm talking about
>>> reputable sites that are trustworthy. You can download it from practically
>>> anywhere... if you have a SHA256 checksum for it. That's so you could verify
>>> it is legitimate.
>>>
>>> You only need to burn a DVD with that content, when you need it for some reason.
>>> There is no reason now, to burn it in advance. But some day you might need it,
>>> and keeping a copy now for yourself, is better than scrambling for a copy later.
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>>
>>
>> I’m on the 780 Seamonkey,.. I had to set it up
>>
>> I tried to download the medicacreationtool but it doesn’t
>> give an option to saving it elsewhere. I tried to copy paste
>> to a DVD  but it didn’t work. Also don’t I need to order the
>> DVD+RDL’s for this because its so big?
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/BjM6Ngfn
>>
>> I tried again and entered Start: Run: cmd.exe
>>
>> Then I tried shift-control-enter but it did not change.
>>
>> It kept the C:\\Users\TEMP>
>>
>> Robert
>
> The mediacreationtool22H2.exe is likely in your Downloads folder.
>
> It is an executable. When you run it, you tell it you are
> "preparing media for another user". That causes it to deposit
> a Windows.iso , rather than burning something or making USB sticks
> or whatever.
>
> Find the executable.
>
> Run it.
>
> Tell it you're making media for another user.
>
> It should make a x64 Windows.iso, as that's the one you are
> most likely to use.
>
> After an hour or so, maybe it will be downloaded. Then it should finish up.
>
> Do not get confused when it finishes up. As long as the Windows.iso is
> in the Downloads folder, do not get tricked into doing anything else,
> such as getting tricked to use the DVD burner. None of that is needed
> right now. Besides, you have to check the size and notice it is
> slightly bigger than 4,700,000,000 but not by much. The MediaCreationTool
> version is smaller than the Linux version. But still not small enough :-/
>
> *******
>
> I don't understand why you Run box is not behaving like mine.
> Here is mine. Review and see if you can spot something which
> matters, which is different than yours. I'm using the TEMP acct now.
>
> [Picture]
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/Znf71xhf/elevated-cmd-using-TEMP-acct.gif
>
> Paul
>

I like the present Win 10 however I do agree with you that I shouldn't
load anything until I get a new Admin Account working and remove the
password connected User Account or at least replace it a new Account
that doesn't require a password.

I did install Dell Imaging, Word and Excel so that I could work from Win
10 as well but I won't add anymore. I'll leave the other User's version
of macium for the present but once were satisfied everything is working
and we do everything you want then I want to delete it and download my
copy of macrium as well as the rest of my A/V suite, then bookmarks and
My Documents.

I found the file in the downloads folder but I'm a little confused, I
thought you wanted me to order DVD+RDL's to put the MediaCcreationTool
on them because it's too big for a Patriot. So if I start to run it
won't the .iso be too big for the Patriot? Also I'm leery of using a
used Patriot for this. My experience has shown me I need a new Patriot
for it to work properly even though it's suppose to work after I delete
a file.

I tried to run it but it asked for the Admin Account and password and I
didn't know if I should proceed or if the options came after to run it
as an .so for another or what. I did manage to move the file to my
Patriot.

https://postimg.cc/BLY3zZMR

https://postimg.cc/FkdMnyfJ

https://postimg.cc/QFr20WjH

I tried the cmd.exe and your screen is different than mine. I again
tried the shift-control-enter several times but nothing happened. I'm
wondering could it be the keyboard? If I switch keyboards and used a
Microsoft 4000 do you think it would work then? I mean it should work
now but it's not and that's the only thing I can think of.

https://postimg.cc/9RSSTDxX

Robert

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On 12/26/2023 10:56 AM, Robert in CA wrote:

>
> I like the present Win 10 however I do agree with you that I shouldn't load anything until I get a new Admin Account working and remove the password connected User Account or at least replace it a new Account that doesn't require a password.
>
> I did install Dell Imaging, Word and Excel so that I could work from Win 10 as well but I won't add anymore. I'll leave the other User's version of macium for the present but once were satisfied everything is working and we do everything you want then I want to delete it and download my copy of macrium as well as the rest of my A/V suite, then bookmarks and My Documents.
>
> I found the file in the downloads folder but I'm a little confused, I thought you wanted me to order DVD+RDL's to put the MediaCcreationTool on them because it's too big for a Patriot. So if I start to run it won't the .iso be too big for the Patriot? Also I'm leery of using a used Patriot for this. My experience has shown me I need a new Patriot for it to work properly even though it's suppose to work after I delete a file.
>
> I tried to run it but it asked for the Admin Account and password and I didn't know if I should proceed or if the options came after to run it as an .so for another or what. I did manage to move the file to my Patriot.
>
> https://postimg.cc/BLY3zZMR
>
> https://postimg.cc/FkdMnyfJ
>
> https://postimg.cc/QFr20WjH
>
> I tried the cmd.exe and your screen is different than mine. I again tried the shift-control-enter several times but nothing happened. I'm wondering could it be the keyboard? If I switch keyboards and used a Microsoft 4000 do you think it would work then? I mean it should work now but it's not and that's the only thing I can think of.
>
> https://postimg.cc/9RSSTDxX
>
> Robert

MediaCcreationTool22H2.exe is a "download assistant". You
don't put it on a DVD.

MediaCcreationTool ==> Windows.iso ==> DVD perhaps

The Windows.iso is at least 4,700,000,000 in size and that is the
item that will not fit a DVD properly.

The MediaCreationTool is

Name: MediaCreationTool22H2-W10.exe
Size: 19,463,448 bytes (18 MiB)

fairly small by comparison.

If logged in with the TEMP account, that should work OK to
run MediaCreationTool22H2.exe, then copy the Windows.iso to
some place safer, as Win10-22H2.iso .

It can be burned to a DVD, some day, like when you get some DVDs
which are big enough.

This prompt makes sense, only as far as using the TEMP account for
its elevation. Perhaps you were signed in as Rob while trying this.

https://postimg.cc/BLY3zZMR

*******

In the picture here, your file extensions view is not turned on.
That's why you can't see EXE on the end of the filename.

https://postimg.cc/FkdMnyfJ

You can run the MediaCreationTool on either machine, as long
as you have an Administrator account for the (unnecessary)
elevation it is using. You are only doing the download function
with the program, and for that, no elevation is really required
in order to download something. That's a fault of program design.

https://postimg.cc/QFr20WjH

*******

In this picture, you are attempting to start Command Prompt from
the search box.

https://postimg.cc/9RSSTDxX

I was referring to starting it this way.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/pLTWLDqH/Elevate-Run-Box-Command-Ctrl-Shift-Enter.gif

Paul

Paul wrote:
> On 12/26/2023 10:56 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>
>>
>> I like the present Win 10 however I do agree with you that I shouldn't load anything until I get a new Admin Account working and remove the password connected User Account or at least replace it a new Account that doesn't require a password.
>>
>> I did install Dell Imaging, Word and Excel so that I could work from Win 10 as well but I won't add anymore. I'll leave the other User's version of macium for the present but once were satisfied everything is working and we do everything you want then I want to delete it and download my copy of macrium as well as the rest of my A/V suite, then bookmarks and My Documents.
>>
>> I found the file in the downloads folder but I'm a little confused, I thought you wanted me to order DVD+RDL's to put the MediaCcreationTool on them because it's too big for a Patriot. So if I start to run it won't the .iso be too big for the Patriot? Also I'm leery of using a used Patriot for this. My experience has shown me I need a new Patriot for it to work properly even though it's suppose to work after I delete a file.
>>
>> I tried to run it but it asked for the Admin Account and password and I didn't know if I should proceed or if the options came after to run it as an .so for another or what. I did manage to move the file to my Patriot.
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/BLY3zZMR
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/FkdMnyfJ
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/QFr20WjH
>>
>> I tried the cmd.exe and your screen is different than mine. I again tried the shift-control-enter several times but nothing happened. I'm wondering could it be the keyboard? If I switch keyboards and used a Microsoft 4000 do you think it would work then? I mean it should work now but it's not and that's the only thing I can think of.
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/9RSSTDxX
>>
>> Robert
>
> MediaCcreationTool22H2.exe is a "download assistant". You
> don't put it on a DVD.
>
> MediaCcreationTool ==> Windows.iso ==> DVD perhaps
>
> The Windows.iso is at least 4,700,000,000 in size and that is the
> item that will not fit a DVD properly.
>
> The MediaCreationTool is
>
> Name: MediaCreationTool22H2-W10.exe
> Size: 19,463,448 bytes (18 MiB)
>
> fairly small by comparison.
>
> If logged in with the TEMP account, that should work OK to
> run MediaCreationTool22H2.exe, then copy the Windows.iso to
> some place safer, as Win10-22H2.iso .
>
> It can be burned to a DVD, some day, like when you get some DVDs
> which are big enough.
>
> This prompt makes sense, only as far as using the TEMP account for
> its elevation. Perhaps you were signed in as Rob while trying this.
>
> https://postimg.cc/BLY3zZMR
>
> *******
>
> In the picture here, your file extensions view is not turned on.
> That's why you can't see EXE on the end of the filename.
>
> https://postimg.cc/FkdMnyfJ
>
> You can run the MediaCreationTool on either machine, as long
> as you have an Administrator account for the (unnecessary)
> elevation it is using. You are only doing the download function
> with the program, and for that, no elevation is really required
> in order to download something. That's a fault of program design.
>
> https://postimg.cc/QFr20WjH
>
> *******
>
> In this picture, you are attempting to start Command Prompt from
> the search box.
>
> https://postimg.cc/9RSSTDxX
>
> I was referring to starting it this way.
>
> [Picture]
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/pLTWLDqH/Elevate-Run-Box-Command-Ctrl-Shift-Enter.gif
>
> Paul
>

I'm a leery of doing the MediaCreationTool on TEMP Account and possibly
messing it up after all our work.
Nevertheless, I went to the TEMP Account to try it but it's like a brand
new account with nothing on it. I can't do anything on there and Edge
started with their set-up. The account is totally bare and un-workable.
We would have to repeat everything we did on the User Account to make
this work.

I have no clue as to how to start the MediaCreationTool from here
because I don't know how to use Edge to gain the site to click the link.

I also clicked run and entered cmd.exe but it still came up with User
TEMP and I tried the shift-ctrl-enter and nothing happened. Same as before.

Robert

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On 12/27/2023 10:48 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>> On 12/26/2023 10:56 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I like the present Win 10 however I do agree with you that I shouldn't load anything until I get a new Admin Account working and remove the password connected User Account or at least replace it a new Account that doesn't require a password.
>>>
>>> I did install Dell Imaging, Word and Excel so that I could work from Win 10 as well but I won't add anymore. I'll leave the other User's version of macium for the present but once were satisfied everything is working and we do everything you want then I want to delete it and download my copy of macrium as well as the rest of my A/V suite, then bookmarks and My Documents.
>>>
>>> I found the file in the downloads folder but I'm a little confused, I thought you wanted me to order DVD+RDL's to put the MediaCcreationTool on them because it's too big for a Patriot. So if I start to run it won't the .iso be too big for the Patriot? Also I'm leery of using a used Patriot for this. My experience has shown me I need a new Patriot for it to work properly even though it's suppose to work after I delete a file.
>>>
>>> I tried to run it but it asked for the Admin Account and password and I didn't know if I should proceed or if the options came after to run it as an .so for another or what. I did manage to move the file to my Patriot.
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/BLY3zZMR
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/FkdMnyfJ
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/QFr20WjH
>>>
>>> I tried the cmd.exe and your screen is different than mine. I again tried the shift-control-enter several times but nothing happened. I'm wondering could it be the keyboard? If I switch keyboards and used a Microsoft 4000 do you think it would work then? I mean it should work now but it's not and that's the only thing I can think of.
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/9RSSTDxX
>>>
>>> Robert
>>
>> MediaCcreationTool22H2.exe is a "download assistant". You
>> don't put it on a DVD.
>>
>>      MediaCcreationTool ==> Windows.iso ==> DVD perhaps
>>
>> The Windows.iso is at least 4,700,000,000 in size and that is the
>> item that will not fit a DVD properly.
>>
>> The MediaCreationTool is
>>
>>     Name: MediaCreationTool22H2-W10.exe
>>     Size: 19,463,448 bytes (18 MiB)
>>
>> fairly small by comparison.
>>
>> If logged in with the TEMP account, that should work OK to
>> run MediaCreationTool22H2.exe, then copy the Windows.iso to
>> some place safer, as Win10-22H2.iso .
>>
>> It can be burned to a DVD, some day, like when you get some DVDs
>> which are big enough.
>>
>> This prompt makes sense, only as far as using the TEMP account for
>> its elevation. Perhaps you were signed in as Rob while trying this.
>>
>>     https://postimg.cc/BLY3zZMR
>>
>> *******
>>
>> In the picture here, your file extensions view is not turned on.
>> That's why you can't see EXE on the end of the filename.
>>
>>     https://postimg.cc/FkdMnyfJ
>>
>> You can run the MediaCreationTool on either machine, as long
>> as you have an Administrator account for the (unnecessary)
>> elevation it is using. You are only doing the download function
>> with the program, and for that, no elevation is really required
>> in order to download something. That's a fault of program design.
>>
>>     https://postimg.cc/QFr20WjH
>>
>> *******
>>
>> In this picture, you are attempting to start Command Prompt from
>> the search box.
>>
>>     https://postimg.cc/9RSSTDxX
>>
>> I was referring to starting it this way.
>>
>>     [Picture]
>>
>>      https://i.postimg.cc/pLTWLDqH/Elevate-Run-Box-Command-Ctrl-Shift-Enter.gif
>>
>>    Paul
>>
>
>
> I'm a leery of doing the MediaCreationTool on TEMP Account and possibly messing it up after all our work.
> Nevertheless, I went to the TEMP Account to try it but it's like a brand new account with nothing on it. I can't do anything on there and Edge started with their set-up. The account is totally bare and un-workable. We would have to repeat everything we did on the User Account to make this work.
>
> I have no clue as to how to start the MediaCreationTool from here because I don't know how to use Edge to gain the site to click the link.
>
> I also clicked run and entered cmd.exe but it still came up with User TEMP and I tried the shift-ctrl-enter and nothing happened. Same as before.
>
> Robert

Doing a quick Google, it appears holding down control and shift, then
pressing Enter, isn't a "reliable" key sequence. Apparently some people
have software loaded, where only using the right side control-shift plus
enter works (all three keys next to one another). I don't have Office loaded
here, so my machine is pretty barren of silly behaviors.

There are two issues then. How the keyboard behaves. And whether the
keyboard is hooked and functions being used globally perhaps.

My cheap Cicero PS-2 keyboard on this machine, either side works for me.
This person is a book writer and a programmer, and in the Win95 era, he
made a little program to view key presses. It's not "osk.exe" by any means,
but it presents the info a little differently.

http://www.charlespetzold.com/src/ProgWin5.zip

Name: ProgWin5.zip
Size: 10,352,979 bytes (10110 KiB)
SHA256: 70B860EEEAE77A0B9E37A75BE9CD0D5EE1380DAE57251EFA44C441586E5E60FB

Name: KeyView2.exe <=== keyboard viewer program inside the ZIP file
Size: 24576 bytes (24 KiB)
SHA256: A4C85DE4B88386CAF9B856567F16FFF45106AD6EAD895D7972D01A84E9324BCC

This is a demo, of pressing the individual keys on first the left side,
then the right side, then trying the non-numeric Enter key. You cannot hold
down any key too long with this program, or the repeat function is triggered
(only the program sees this, in regular usage, the modifier keys should not repeat
like that to the OS).

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/442DCQ5k/Using-Keyview2-EXE-keyboard-debug.gif

You can try keyview2.exe and see if your keyboard produces similar output to mine.

Or, if you cannot work the above sequence, try the TEMP account test again,
only this time hold down right-shift and right-control, then press the Enter
next to them. In the Run box for launching elevated cmd.exe .

*******

The MediaCreationTool22H2.exe is not going to hurt anything. The way you are
going to use it "create Media for another machine", it is just going to make
Windows.iso . Which you will rename to Windows10-22H2.iso so the version is evident.

Even if you were to trigger an OS installation sequence, it stops and
asks you what you want to do, so you can stop it.

*******

From the TEMP account (C:\users\TEMP\Downloads would be the normal work area)
you can navigate from the top of C: to C:\users\Rob\Downloads and
copy the MediaCreationTool22H2.exe you put in there, into C:\users\TEMP\Downloads .

That is if you want a copy, without using MSEdge in the barren TEMP account.

The TEMP user, should be able to navigate to any user folder. Whereas
the un-elevated Rob account, might not be able to do an implicit Takeown
and access the contents of the TEMP downloads folder.

The TEMP account then, is ideally suited for the whole job. It can snarf
the needed file from Rob\Downloads when it needs access to MediaCreationTool22H2.exe .

*******

Remember now, you're Elevated, like a God, enjoy yourself :-)

You own the machine, nothing stands in your way.

If you left a copy of the Firefox installer in Rob\Downloads,
you can grab a copy from there and so on.

Paul

Paul wrote:
> On 12/27/2023 10:48 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 12/26/2023 10:56 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I like the present Win 10 however I do agree with you that I shouldn't load anything until I get a new Admin Account working and remove the password connected User Account or at least replace it a new Account that doesn't require a password.
>>>>
>>>> I did install Dell Imaging, Word and Excel so that I could work from Win 10 as well but I won't add anymore. I'll leave the other User's version of macium for the present but once were satisfied everything is working and we do everything you want then I want to delete it and download my copy of macrium as well as the rest of my A/V suite, then bookmarks and My Documents.
>>>>
>>>> I found the file in the downloads folder but I'm a little confused, I thought you wanted me to order DVD+RDL's to put the MediaCcreationTool on them because it's too big for a Patriot. So if I start to run it won't the .iso be too big for the Patriot? Also I'm leery of using a used Patriot for this. My experience has shown me I need a new Patriot for it to work properly even though it's suppose to work after I delete a file.
>>>>
>>>> I tried to run it but it asked for the Admin Account and password and I didn't know if I should proceed or if the options came after to run it as an .so for another or what. I did manage to move the file to my Patriot.
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/BLY3zZMR
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/FkdMnyfJ
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/QFr20WjH
>>>>
>>>> I tried the cmd.exe and your screen is different than mine. I again tried the shift-control-enter several times but nothing happened. I'm wondering could it be the keyboard? If I switch keyboards and used a Microsoft 4000 do you think it would work then? I mean it should work now but it's not and that's the only thing I can think of.
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/9RSSTDxX
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> MediaCcreationTool22H2.exe is a "download assistant". You
>>> don't put it on a DVD.
>>>
>>>      MediaCcreationTool ==> Windows.iso ==> DVD perhaps
>>>
>>> The Windows.iso is at least 4,700,000,000 in size and that is the
>>> item that will not fit a DVD properly.
>>>
>>> The MediaCreationTool is
>>>
>>>     Name: MediaCreationTool22H2-W10.exe
>>>     Size: 19,463,448 bytes (18 MiB)
>>>
>>> fairly small by comparison.
>>>
>>> If logged in with the TEMP account, that should work OK to
>>> run MediaCreationTool22H2.exe, then copy the Windows.iso to
>>> some place safer, as Win10-22H2.iso .
>>>
>>> It can be burned to a DVD, some day, like when you get some DVDs
>>> which are big enough.
>>>
>>> This prompt makes sense, only as far as using the TEMP account for
>>> its elevation. Perhaps you were signed in as Rob while trying this.
>>>
>>>     https://postimg.cc/BLY3zZMR
>>>
>>> *******
>>>
>>> In the picture here, your file extensions view is not turned on.
>>> That's why you can't see EXE on the end of the filename.
>>>
>>>     https://postimg.cc/FkdMnyfJ
>>>
>>> You can run the MediaCreationTool on either machine, as long
>>> as you have an Administrator account for the (unnecessary)
>>> elevation it is using. You are only doing the download function
>>> with the program, and for that, no elevation is really required
>>> in order to download something. That's a fault of program design.
>>>
>>>     https://postimg.cc/QFr20WjH
>>>
>>> *******
>>>
>>> In this picture, you are attempting to start Command Prompt from
>>> the search box.
>>>
>>>     https://postimg.cc/9RSSTDxX
>>>
>>> I was referring to starting it this way.
>>>
>>>     [Picture]
>>>
>>>      https://i.postimg.cc/pLTWLDqH/Elevate-Run-Box-Command-Ctrl-Shift-Enter.gif
>>>
>>>    Paul
>>>
>>
>>
>> I'm a leery of doing the MediaCreationTool on TEMP Account and possibly messing it up after all our work.
>> Nevertheless, I went to the TEMP Account to try it but it's like a brand new account with nothing on it. I can't do anything on there and Edge started with their set-up. The account is totally bare and un-workable. We would have to repeat everything we did on the User Account to make this work.
>>
>> I have no clue as to how to start the MediaCreationTool from here because I don't know how to use Edge to gain the site to click the link.
>>
>> I also clicked run and entered cmd.exe but it still came up with User TEMP and I tried the shift-ctrl-enter and nothing happened. Same as before.
>>
>> Robert
>
> Doing a quick Google, it appears holding down control and shift, then
> pressing Enter, isn't a "reliable" key sequence. Apparently some people
> have software loaded, where only using the right side control-shift plus
> enter works (all three keys next to one another). I don't have Office loaded
> here, so my machine is pretty barren of silly behaviors.
>
> There are two issues then. How the keyboard behaves. And whether the
> keyboard is hooked and functions being used globally perhaps.
>
> My cheap Cicero PS-2 keyboard on this machine, either side works for me.
> This person is a book writer and a programmer, and in the Win95 era, he
> made a little program to view key presses. It's not "osk.exe" by any means,
> but it presents the info a little differently.
>
> http://www.charlespetzold.com/src/ProgWin5.zip
>
> Name: ProgWin5.zip
> Size: 10,352,979 bytes (10110 KiB)
> SHA256: 70B860EEEAE77A0B9E37A75BE9CD0D5EE1380DAE57251EFA44C441586E5E60FB
>
> Name: KeyView2.exe <=== keyboard viewer program inside the ZIP file
> Size: 24576 bytes (24 KiB)
> SHA256: A4C85DE4B88386CAF9B856567F16FFF45106AD6EAD895D7972D01A84E9324BCC
>
> This is a demo, of pressing the individual keys on first the left side,
> then the right side, then trying the non-numeric Enter key. You cannot hold
> down any key too long with this program, or the repeat function is triggered
> (only the program sees this, in regular usage, the modifier keys should not repeat
> like that to the OS).
>
> [Picture]
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/442DCQ5k/Using-Keyview2-EXE-keyboard-debug.gif
>
> You can try keyview2.exe and see if your keyboard produces similar output to mine.
>
> Or, if you cannot work the above sequence, try the TEMP account test again,
> only this time hold down right-shift and right-control, then press the Enter
> next to them. In the Run box for launching elevated cmd.exe .
>
> *******
>
> The MediaCreationTool22H2.exe is not going to hurt anything. The way you are
> going to use it "create Media for another machine", it is just going to make
> Windows.iso . Which you will rename to Windows10-22H2.iso so the version is evident.
>
> Even if you were to trigger an OS installation sequence, it stops and
> asks you what you want to do, so you can stop it.
>
> *******
>
> From the TEMP account (C:\users\TEMP\Downloads would be the normal work area)
> you can navigate from the top of C: to C:\users\Rob\Downloads and
> copy the MediaCreationTool22H2.exe you put in there, into C:\users\TEMP\Downloads .
>
> That is if you want a copy, without using MSEdge in the barren TEMP account.
>
> The TEMP user, should be able to navigate to any user folder. Whereas
> the un-elevated Rob account, might not be able to do an implicit Takeown
> and access the contents of the TEMP downloads folder.
>
> The TEMP account then, is ideally suited for the whole job. It can snarf
> the needed file from Rob\Downloads when it needs access to MediaCreationTool22H2.exe .
>
> *******
>
> Remember now, you're Elevated, like a God, enjoy yourself :-)
>
> You own the machine, nothing stands in your way.
>
> If you left a copy of the Firefox installer in Rob\Downloads,
> you can grab a copy from there and so on.
>
> Paul
>

I have a Microsoft 4000 ergonomic keyboard on my 8500 and the780 also
had one but the 'L' key didn't work so I had to type let as Iet. So I
switched keyboards for a basic Microsoft ergonomic keyboard. There's no
model number on it or anything and it sits flat.

On 12/28/2023 3:56 AM, Robert in CA wrote:

> I have a Microsoft 4000 ergonomic keyboard on my 8500 and the780 also had one but the 'L' key didn't work so I had to type let as Iet. So I switched keyboards for a basic Microsoft ergonomic keyboard. There's no model number on it or anything and it sits flat.
>
> I switched the keyboards and used a Microsoft 4000 keyboard but still nothing and I tried the shift-control-enter on both sides of both keyboards and still nothing.
>
> I'm not following you on your example of the keyboard diagnosis
>
> I tried to run the MediaCreationTool via the Rob User Account and put it on a Patriot.
> but it didn't work. For some reason Postimage isn't working,.. anyway it gave me these error messages.
>
> There was a problem starting Setup. Close the tool , restart your PC and then try running the tool again.
>
> I did and then got this
>
> There was a problem downloading some files.
>
> We weren't able to download all the necessary files. Check to make sure you're connected to the internet and try running the tool again. Error code 0x80072EE2 - 0x20000
>
> Seems like nothing is working,..
>
> Robert

I have a suspicion, that a common area that would get used by both
Rob and TEMP, has leftovers from a previous MediaCreationTool22H2 attempt.

C:\$Windows.~WS\Sources\Panther # Perhaps some control happens here.

C:\ESD\Downloads\BITB023.tmp # This BITS background transfer operation represents
# a good portion of the 4.7GB. It would be around 4.1GB.
# The BITS transfer jobs are done sequentially, so the "023"
# number will be different on your machine.

We can use the Windows Error Lookup thing for this. 0x80072EE2 - 0x20000

The program still seems to have the same name as before.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/debug/system-error-code-lookup-tool

https://download.microsoft.com/download/4/3/2/432140e8-fb6c-4145-8192-25242838c542/Err_6.4.5/Err_6.4.5.exe

Name: Err_6.4.5.exe
Size: 2294520 bytes (2240 KiB)
SHA256: 88739EC82BA16A0B4A3C83C1DD2FCA6336AD8E2A1E5F1238C085B1E86AB8834A

PS D:\> .\Err_6.4.5.exe 0x80072EE2

# for hex 0x80072ee2 / decimal -2147012894
WININET_E_TIMEOUT winerror.h
# The operation timed out
# 1 matches found for "0x80072EE2"
PS D:\>

The transfer failed somewhere during the attempt. 20002 is the "phase", but no info
is available about that.

*******

The best thing to do at this point, is take MediaCreationTool22H2.exe with you
to another machine, and attempt a run with another OS. Like, if you are doing
this on the 780, do it on the 8500.

It does not matter whether you do it on the 780 or the 8500.

For example, it does not seem to rely on .NET , so we don't have to
worry about that. There might be a Visual Studio runtime missing.
It seems to be compiled with VS2017.

This is what I got. It is 193,000,000 bytes too big for a single-layer DVD.
Took about 45 minutes or so. This file is also bigger than the 22H2 I got
some time ago.

Name: Windows.iso
Size: 4,893,900,800 bytes (4667 MiB)
SHA256: 4540A202FE7D8DC1034B3DE408FC005EE2549127EF15441D169140ED3CA91658

Try on another machine. I'm sure you can get elevated on another of your setups.

Paul

Paul wrote:
> On 12/28/2023 3:56 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>
>> I have a Microsoft 4000 ergonomic keyboard on my 8500 and the780 also had one but the 'L' key didn't work so I had to type let as Iet. So I switched keyboards for a basic Microsoft ergonomic keyboard. There's no model number on it or anything and it sits flat.
>>
>> I switched the keyboards and used a Microsoft 4000 keyboard but still nothing and I tried the shift-control-enter on both sides of both keyboards and still nothing.
>>
>> I'm not following you on your example of the keyboard diagnosis
>>
>> I tried to run the MediaCreationTool via the Rob User Account and put it on a Patriot.
>> but it didn't work. For some reason Postimage isn't working,.. anyway it gave me these error messages.
>>
>> There was a problem starting Setup. Close the tool , restart your PC and then try running the tool again.
>>
>> I did and then got this
>>
>> There was a problem downloading some files.
>>
>> We weren't able to download all the necessary files. Check to make sure you're connected to the internet and try running the tool again. Error code 0x80072EE2 - 0x20000
>>
>> Seems like nothing is working,..
>>
>> Robert
>
> I have a suspicion, that a common area that would get used by both
> Rob and TEMP, has leftovers from a previous MediaCreationTool22H2 attempt.
>
> C:\$Windows.~WS\Sources\Panther # Perhaps some control happens here.
>
> C:\ESD\Downloads\BITB023.tmp # This BITS background transfer operation represents
> # a good portion of the 4.7GB. It would be around 4.1GB.
> # The BITS transfer jobs are done sequentially, so the "023"
> # number will be different on your machine.
>
> We can use the Windows Error Lookup thing for this. 0x80072EE2 - 0x20000
>
> The program still seems to have the same name as before.
>
> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/debug/system-error-code-lookup-tool
>
> https://download.microsoft.com/download/4/3/2/432140e8-fb6c-4145-8192-25242838c542/Err_6.4.5/Err_6.4.5.exe
>
> Name: Err_6.4.5.exe
> Size: 2294520 bytes (2240 KiB)
> SHA256: 88739EC82BA16A0B4A3C83C1DD2FCA6336AD8E2A1E5F1238C085B1E86AB8834A
>
> PS D:\> .\Err_6.4.5.exe 0x80072EE2
>
> # for hex 0x80072ee2 / decimal -2147012894
> WININET_E_TIMEOUT winerror.h
> # The operation timed out
> # 1 matches found for "0x80072EE2"
> PS D:\>
>
> The transfer failed somewhere during the attempt. 20002 is the "phase", but no info
> is available about that.
>
> *******
>
> The best thing to do at this point, is take MediaCreationTool22H2.exe with you
> to another machine, and attempt a run with another OS. Like, if you are doing
> this on the 780, do it on the 8500.
>
> It does not matter whether you do it on the 780 or the 8500.
>
> For example, it does not seem to rely on .NET , so we don't have to
> worry about that. There might be a Visual Studio runtime missing.
> It seems to be compiled with VS2017.
>
> This is what I got. It is 193,000,000 bytes too big for a single-layer DVD.
> Took about 45 minutes or so. This file is also bigger than the 22H2 I got
> some time ago.
>
> Name: Windows.iso
> Size: 4,893,900,800 bytes (4667 MiB)
> SHA256: 4540A202FE7D8DC1034B3DE408FC005EE2549127EF15441D169140ED3CA91658
>
> Try on another machine. I'm sure you can get elevated on another of your setups.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I clicked on your first link and read through it all, whew,..
then clicked on your second link without knowing it was a download.
I'm on the 8500 so I can't scan it. I'll do it on the 780 and see what
happens.

I downloaded it and scanned it then clicked it and saw a screen flash
on/off with data. Am I suppose to run it as Administrator?

I haven't made a MediaCreationTool yet because it won't let me proceed.
I only have your link. I don't want to risk the 8500. I'll change the HD
in the 780 back to Win 7 and try to put it on a Patriot again.

I ordered the DVD+RDL's and will get a Patriot also and some SD-cards.
I also ordered a Hardon Karden base module for speakers and I have (2)
sets of satellites from the time my circuits were blown I just had to
replace the base module so I ended up with 2 extra sets of satellite
speakers that plug into it that form a speaker system. It's the same one
I have on the 8500. It originally came with the 8200.It's a great
speaker system. So I thought I would duplicate it on then 780.

Robert

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Paul wrote:
> On 12/28/2023 3:56 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>
>> I have a Microsoft 4000 ergonomic keyboard on my 8500 and the780 also had one but the 'L' key didn't work so I had to type let as Iet. So I switched keyboards for a basic Microsoft ergonomic keyboard. There's no model number on it or anything and it sits flat.
>>
>> I switched the keyboards and used a Microsoft 4000 keyboard but still nothing and I tried the shift-control-enter on both sides of both keyboards and still nothing.
>>
>> I'm not following you on your example of the keyboard diagnosis
>>
>> I tried to run the MediaCreationTool via the Rob User Account and put it on a Patriot.
>> but it didn't work. For some reason Postimage isn't working,.. anyway it gave me these error messages.
>>
>> There was a problem starting Setup. Close the tool , restart your PC and then try running the tool again.
>>
>> I did and then got this
>>
>> There was a problem downloading some files.
>>
>> We weren't able to download all the necessary files. Check to make sure you're connected to the internet and try running the tool again. Error code 0x80072EE2 - 0x20000
>>
>> Seems like nothing is working,..
>>
>> Robert
>
> I have a suspicion, that a common area that would get used by both
> Rob and TEMP, has leftovers from a previous MediaCreationTool22H2 attempt.
>
> C:\$Windows.~WS\Sources\Panther # Perhaps some control happens here.
>
> C:\ESD\Downloads\BITB023.tmp # This BITS background transfer operation represents
> # a good portion of the 4.7GB. It would be around 4.1GB.
> # The BITS transfer jobs are done sequentially, so the "023"
> # number will be different on your machine.
>
> We can use the Windows Error Lookup thing for this. 0x80072EE2 - 0x20000
>
> The program still seems to have the same name as before.
>
> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/debug/system-error-code-lookup-tool
>
> https://download.microsoft.com/download/4/3/2/432140e8-fb6c-4145-8192-25242838c542/Err_6.4.5/Err_6.4.5.exe
>
> Name: Err_6.4.5.exe
> Size: 2294520 bytes (2240 KiB)
> SHA256: 88739EC82BA16A0B4A3C83C1DD2FCA6336AD8E2A1E5F1238C085B1E86AB8834A
>
> PS D:\> .\Err_6.4.5.exe 0x80072EE2
>
> # for hex 0x80072ee2 / decimal -2147012894
> WININET_E_TIMEOUT winerror.h
> # The operation timed out
> # 1 matches found for "0x80072EE2"
> PS D:\>
>
> The transfer failed somewhere during the attempt. 20002 is the "phase", but no info
> is available about that.
>
> *******
>
> The best thing to do at this point, is take MediaCreationTool22H2.exe with you
> to another machine, and attempt a run with another OS. Like, if you are doing
> this on the 780, do it on the 8500.
>
> It does not matter whether you do it on the 780 or the 8500.
>
> For example, it does not seem to rely on .NET , so we don't have to
> worry about that. There might be a Visual Studio runtime missing.
> It seems to be compiled with VS2017.
>
> This is what I got. It is 193,000,000 bytes too big for a single-layer DVD.
> Took about 45 minutes or so. This file is also bigger than the 22H2 I got
> some time ago.
>
> Name: Windows.iso
> Size: 4,893,900,800 bytes (4667 MiB)
> SHA256: 4540A202FE7D8DC1034B3DE408FC005EE2549127EF15441D169140ED3CA91658
>
> Try on another machine. I'm sure you can get elevated on another of your setups.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I had to post this to you,.... you'll understand in the last section.

I just had a thought, couldn't we use the Macrium Rescue CD to gain
access to the C: prompt so I can enter the commands? That's how we did
everything before. Not by the cmd.exe

I was just about to start the download procedure when the screen started
scrolling on it own ! and I tried alt-tab and the screens were going
crazy. So I closed everything down.
I opened Task Manager to see if there was another User logged on but it
only showed me.

It sure acted like someone had hacked into my computer and was a bit
frightening.

Robert

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Paul wrote:
> On 12/28/2023 3:56 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>
>> I have a Microsoft 4000 ergonomic keyboard on my 8500 and the780 also had one but the 'L' key didn't work so I had to type let as Iet. So I switched keyboards for a basic Microsoft ergonomic keyboard. There's no model number on it or anything and it sits flat.
>>
>> I switched the keyboards and used a Microsoft 4000 keyboard but still nothing and I tried the shift-control-enter on both sides of both keyboards and still nothing.
>>
>> I'm not following you on your example of the keyboard diagnosis
>>
>> I tried to run the MediaCreationTool via the Rob User Account and put it on a Patriot.
>> but it didn't work. For some reason Postimage isn't working,.. anyway it gave me these error messages.
>>
>> There was a problem starting Setup. Close the tool , restart your PC and then try running the tool again.
>>
>> I did and then got this
>>
>> There was a problem downloading some files.
>>
>> We weren't able to download all the necessary files. Check to make sure you're connected to the internet and try running the tool again. Error code 0x80072EE2 - 0x20000
>>
>> Seems like nothing is working,..
>>
>> Robert
>
> I have a suspicion, that a common area that would get used by both
> Rob and TEMP, has leftovers from a previous MediaCreationTool22H2 attempt.
>
> C:\$Windows.~WS\Sources\Panther # Perhaps some control happens here.
>
> C:\ESD\Downloads\BITB023.tmp # This BITS background transfer operation represents
> # a good portion of the 4.7GB. It would be around 4.1GB.
> # The BITS transfer jobs are done sequentially, so the "023"
> # number will be different on your machine.
>
> We can use the Windows Error Lookup thing for this. 0x80072EE2 - 0x20000
>
> The program still seems to have the same name as before.
>
> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/debug/system-error-code-lookup-tool
>
> https://download.microsoft.com/download/4/3/2/432140e8-fb6c-4145-8192-25242838c542/Err_6.4.5/Err_6.4.5.exe
>
> Name: Err_6.4.5.exe
> Size: 2294520 bytes (2240 KiB)
> SHA256: 88739EC82BA16A0B4A3C83C1DD2FCA6336AD8E2A1E5F1238C085B1E86AB8834A
>
> PS D:\> .\Err_6.4.5.exe 0x80072EE2
>
> # for hex 0x80072ee2 / decimal -2147012894
> WININET_E_TIMEOUT winerror.h
> # The operation timed out
> # 1 matches found for "0x80072EE2"
> PS D:\>
>
> The transfer failed somewhere during the attempt. 20002 is the "phase", but no info
> is available about that.
>
> *******
>
> The best thing to do at this point, is take MediaCreationTool22H2.exe with you
> to another machine, and attempt a run with another OS. Like, if you are doing
> this on the 780, do it on the 8500.
>
> It does not matter whether you do it on the 780 or the 8500.
>
> For example, it does not seem to rely on .NET , so we don't have to
> worry about that. There might be a Visual Studio runtime missing.
> It seems to be compiled with VS2017.
>
> This is what I got. It is 193,000,000 bytes too big for a single-layer DVD.
> Took about 45 minutes or so. This file is also bigger than the 22H2 I got
> some time ago.
>
> Name: Windows.iso
> Size: 4,893,900,800 bytes (4667 MiB)
> SHA256: 4540A202FE7D8DC1034B3DE408FC005EE2549127EF15441D169140ED3CA91658
>
> Try on another machine. I'm sure you can get elevated on another of your setups.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I switched hd's in the 780 so the Win 7 is it now and downloaded
and scanned the MediaCreationTool then put it on the Patriot.

Robert

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On 12/28/2023 8:26 AM, Robert in CA wrote:

>
> I clicked on your first link and read through it all, whew,..
> then clicked on your second link without knowing it was a download.
> I'm on the 8500 so I can't scan it. I'll do it on the 780 and see what happens.
>
> I downloaded it and scanned it then clicked it and saw a screen flash on/off with data. Am I suppose to run it as Administrator?
>
> I haven't made a MediaCreationTool yet because it won't let me proceed. I only have your link. I don't want to risk the 8500. I'll change the HD in the 780 back to Win 7 and try to put it on a Patriot again.
>
> I ordered the DVD+RDL's and will get a Patriot also and some SD-cards.
> I also ordered a Hardon Karden base module for speakers and I have (2)
> sets of satellites from the time my circuits were blown I just had to replace the base module so I ended up with 2 extra sets of satellite speakers that plug into it that form a speaker system. It's the same one I have on the 8500. It originally came with the 8200.It's a great speaker system. So I thought I would duplicate it on then 780.
>
>  Robert

Err_6.4.5.exe is a command line tool.
It runs unelevated.
It runs in a Command Prompt window or similar.

C:
cd \
cd users\Rob\Downloads
Err_6.4.5.exe 0x80072EE2 # And then it dumps several possibilities.
# Usually one of the possibilities makes more sense than the rest.

It is just a simple lookup tool, that combines a number
of Visual Studio header files with error results in them.
There used to be web pages with some errors listed in them,
but that wasn't maintained. And it does not look like this
utility gets updates either.

I expect the staff may use it, like the tech support people
when working with a customer.

*******

You have enough disks there. I bet you have some disk on which
this will work.

*******

Since postimage isn't working, I'll have to use a tutorial link instead.

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/22882-show-command-prompt-windows-powershell-win-x-menu-windows-10-a.html

What that does, is adds Administrator Command Prompt and regular Command Prompt,
to the "right-click of the Start button" menu.

Paul

On 12/28/2023 8:58 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>> On 12/28/2023 3:56 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Microsoft 4000 ergonomic keyboard on my 8500 and the780 also had one but the 'L' key didn't work so I had to type let as Iet. So I switched keyboards for a basic Microsoft ergonomic keyboard. There's no model number on it or anything and it sits flat.
>>>
>>> I switched the keyboards and used a Microsoft 4000 keyboard but still nothing and I tried the shift-control-enter on both sides of both keyboards and still nothing.
>>>
>>> I'm not following you on your example of the keyboard diagnosis
>>>
>>> I tried to run the MediaCreationTool via the Rob User Account and put it on a Patriot.
>>> but it didn't work. For some reason Postimage isn't working,.. anyway it gave me these error messages.
>>>
>>> There was a problem starting Setup. Close the tool , restart your PC and then try running the tool again.
>>>
>>> I did and then got this
>>>
>>> There was a problem downloading some files.
>>>
>>> We weren't able to download all the necessary files. Check to make sure you're connected to the internet and try running the tool again. Error code 0x80072EE2 - 0x20000
>>>
>>> Seems like nothing is working,..
>>>
>>> Robert
>>
>> I have a suspicion, that a common area that would get used by both
>> Rob and TEMP, has leftovers from a previous MediaCreationTool22H2 attempt.
>>
>>     C:\$Windows.~WS\Sources\Panther     # Perhaps some control happens here.
>>
>>     C:\ESD\Downloads\BITB023.tmp        # This BITS background transfer operation represents
>>                                         # a good portion of the 4.7GB. It would be around 4.1GB.
>>                                         # The BITS transfer jobs are done sequentially, so the "023"
>>                                         # number will be different on your machine.
>>
>> We can use the Windows Error Lookup thing for this.   0x80072EE2 - 0x20000
>>
>> The program still seems to have the same name as before.
>>
>> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/debug/system-error-code-lookup-tool
>>
>>     https://download.microsoft.com/download/4/3/2/432140e8-fb6c-4145-8192-25242838c542/Err_6.4.5/Err_6.4.5.exe
>>
>>     Name: Err_6.4.5.exe
>>     Size: 2294520 bytes (2240 KiB)
>>     SHA256: 88739EC82BA16A0B4A3C83C1DD2FCA6336AD8E2A1E5F1238C085B1E86AB8834A
>>
>> PS D:\>    .\Err_6.4.5.exe  0x80072EE2
>>
>> # for hex 0x80072ee2 / decimal -2147012894
>>    WININET_E_TIMEOUT                                              winerror.h
>> # The operation timed out
>> # 1 matches found for "0x80072EE2"
>> PS D:\>
>>
>> The transfer failed somewhere during the attempt. 20002 is the "phase", but no info
>> is available about that.
>>
>> *******
>>
>> The best thing to do at this point, is take  MediaCreationTool22H2.exe with you
>> to another machine, and attempt a run with another OS. Like, if you are doing
>> this on the 780, do it on the 8500.
>>
>> It does not matter whether you do it on the 780 or the 8500.
>>
>> For example, it does not seem to rely on .NET , so we don't have to
>> worry about that. There might be a Visual Studio runtime missing.
>> It seems to be compiled with VS2017.
>>
>> This is what I got. It is 193,000,000 bytes too big for a single-layer DVD.
>> Took about 45 minutes or so. This file is also bigger than the 22H2 I got
>> some time ago.
>>
>> Name: Windows.iso
>> Size: 4,893,900,800 bytes (4667 MiB)
>> SHA256: 4540A202FE7D8DC1034B3DE408FC005EE2549127EF15441D169140ED3CA91658
>>
>> Try on another machine. I'm sure you can get elevated on another of your setups.
>>
>>     Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> I had to post this  to you,.... you'll understand in the last section.
>
> I just had a  thought, couldn't we use the Macrium Rescue CD to gain access to the C: prompt so I can enter the commands? That's how we did everything before. Not by the cmd.exe
>
> I was just about to start the download procedure when the screen started scrolling on it own ! and I tried alt-tab and the screens were going crazy. So I closed everything down.
> I opened Task Manager to see if there was another User logged on but it only showed me.
>
> It sure acted like someone had hacked into my computer and was a bit frightening.
>
>
> Robert

Do you think this was related to your visit to PostImage ?
The scrolling behavior.

To do an offline scan with Windows Defender, there are instructions here.
The machine will reboot, and the scan results are shown in the listed filenames
in the article. I've tried this, but wasn't particularly impressed. Offline
scans can only work on signatures, and they cannot detect hooks that might
be used when the OS is actually running. Depending on the disk size,
this could take at least a couple hours.

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/42305-how-run-microsoft-defender-offline-scan-windows-10-a.html

*******

As for Macrium, I tested it, and MediaCreationTool22H2.exe just
returns without doing anything. I don't think WinPE has a BITS subsystem
(which is something Windows Update would use).

The only other way to do this, might be to set up a virtual machine
and do it from there.

*******

If you're running with the TEMP account, double clicking the MediaCreationTool22H2.exe
should just work. There should be a UAC prompt, and then it should carry on. You don't
need an elevated Command Prompt for it to work. The UAC should pop up when
it needs approval to elevate. Select the option to make media for another
machine, and that should just be a download.

Paul

Paul wrote:
> On 12/28/2023 8:58 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 12/28/2023 3:56 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a Microsoft 4000 ergonomic keyboard on my 8500 and the780 also had one but the 'L' key didn't work so I had to type let as Iet. So I switched keyboards for a basic Microsoft ergonomic keyboard. There's no model number on it or anything and it sits flat.
>>>>
>>>> I switched the keyboards and used a Microsoft 4000 keyboard but still nothing and I tried the shift-control-enter on both sides of both keyboards and still nothing.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not following you on your example of the keyboard diagnosis
>>>>
>>>> I tried to run the MediaCreationTool via the Rob User Account and put it on a Patriot.
>>>> but it didn't work. For some reason Postimage isn't working,.. anyway it gave me these error messages.
>>>>
>>>> There was a problem starting Setup. Close the tool , restart your PC and then try running the tool again.
>>>>
>>>> I did and then got this
>>>>
>>>> There was a problem downloading some files.
>>>>
>>>> We weren't able to download all the necessary files. Check to make sure you're connected to the internet and try running the tool again. Error code 0x80072EE2 - 0x20000
>>>>
>>>> Seems like nothing is working,..
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> I have a suspicion, that a common area that would get used by both
>>> Rob and TEMP, has leftovers from a previous MediaCreationTool22H2 attempt.
>>>
>>>     C:\$Windows.~WS\Sources\Panther     # Perhaps some control happens here.
>>>
>>>     C:\ESD\Downloads\BITB023.tmp        # This BITS background transfer operation represents
>>>                                         # a good portion of the 4.7GB. It would be around 4.1GB.
>>>                                         # The BITS transfer jobs are done sequentially, so the "023"
>>>                                         # number will be different on your machine.
>>>
>>> We can use the Windows Error Lookup thing for this.   0x80072EE2 - 0x20000
>>>
>>> The program still seems to have the same name as before.
>>>
>>> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/debug/system-error-code-lookup-tool
>>>
>>>     https://download.microsoft.com/download/4/3/2/432140e8-fb6c-4145-8192-25242838c542/Err_6.4.5/Err_6.4.5.exe
>>>
>>>     Name: Err_6.4.5.exe
>>>     Size: 2294520 bytes (2240 KiB)
>>>     SHA256: 88739EC82BA16A0B4A3C83C1DD2FCA6336AD8E2A1E5F1238C085B1E86AB8834A
>>>
>>> PS D:\>    .\Err_6.4.5.exe  0x80072EE2
>>>
>>> # for hex 0x80072ee2 / decimal -2147012894
>>>    WININET_E_TIMEOUT                                              winerror.h
>>> # The operation timed out
>>> # 1 matches found for "0x80072EE2"
>>> PS D:\>
>>>
>>> The transfer failed somewhere during the attempt. 20002 is the "phase", but no info
>>> is available about that.
>>>
>>> *******
>>>
>>> The best thing to do at this point, is take  MediaCreationTool22H2.exe with you
>>> to another machine, and attempt a run with another OS. Like, if you are doing
>>> this on the 780, do it on the 8500.
>>>
>>> It does not matter whether you do it on the 780 or the 8500.
>>>
>>> For example, it does not seem to rely on .NET , so we don't have to
>>> worry about that. There might be a Visual Studio runtime missing.
>>> It seems to be compiled with VS2017.
>>>
>>> This is what I got. It is 193,000,000 bytes too big for a single-layer DVD.
>>> Took about 45 minutes or so. This file is also bigger than the 22H2 I got
>>> some time ago.
>>>
>>> Name: Windows.iso
>>> Size: 4,893,900,800 bytes (4667 MiB)
>>> SHA256: 4540A202FE7D8DC1034B3DE408FC005EE2549127EF15441D169140ED3CA91658
>>>
>>> Try on another machine. I'm sure you can get elevated on another of your setups.
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> I had to post this  to you,.... you'll understand in the last section.
>>
>> I just had a  thought, couldn't we use the Macrium Rescue CD to gain access to the C: prompt so I can enter the commands? That's how we did everything before. Not by the cmd.exe
>>
>> I was just about to start the download procedure when the screen started scrolling on it own ! and I tried alt-tab and the screens were going crazy. So I closed everything down.
>> I opened Task Manager to see if there was another User logged on but it only showed me.
>>
>> It sure acted like someone had hacked into my computer and was a bit frightening.
>>
>>
>> Robert
>
> Do you think this was related to your visit to PostImage ?
> The scrolling behavior.
>
> To do an offline scan with Windows Defender, there are instructions here.
> The machine will reboot, and the scan results are shown in the listed filenames
> in the article. I've tried this, but wasn't particularly impressed. Offline
> scans can only work on signatures, and they cannot detect hooks that might
> be used when the OS is actually running. Depending on the disk size,
> this could take at least a couple hours.
>
> https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/42305-how-run-microsoft-defender-offline-scan-windows-10-a.html
>
> *******
>
> As for Macrium, I tested it, and MediaCreationTool22H2.exe just
> returns without doing anything. I don't think WinPE has a BITS subsystem
> (which is something Windows Update would use).
>
> The only other way to do this, might be to set up a virtual machine
> and do it from there.
>
> *******
>
> If you're running with the TEMP account, double clicking the MediaCreationTool22H2.exe
> should just work. There should be a UAC prompt, and then it should carry on. You don't
> need an elevated Command Prompt for it to work. The UAC should pop up when
> it needs approval to elevate. Select the option to make media for another
> machine, and that should just be a download.
>
> Paul
>

I tried to do the Err_6.4.5.exe command tool on the 780 Win 7 but it
also has the same problem of C:\\ UserRob and I can't get it to the C:
prompt. I checked and the 8500 has the same problem.

We can't get either computer to the C: prompt unless we use the Macrium
Rescue CD. That's how we hacked it but it's not letting us change the
User.Rob Account's to the C:
prompt and both computers have this. I just checked the the 8500 Admin
Account is the same way. All the computers are on un-elevated accounts
and we can't elevate them

btw in Win 10 you had me right click then click run and enter cmd but
how do I do it in Win 7 ? The only way I know of is to use the search
box that's why I did it in Win 10.

Postimage is working again, here's the images I wanted to show you.

https://postimg.cc/62tqSjL9

https://postimg.cc/7CmrHKrP

https://postimg.cc/SjY33SRx

https://postimg.cc/D8VHK94d

However, as I said, I was able to finally download the
MedicaCreationTool and put it on the Patriot.

I don't know if the scrolling was related to it,..I had been scrolling
down the page
looking for your link to download and had found it and was reading the
screen and my hand was off the mouse when it started scrolling on its
own! That was weird! and the screens going crazy all on their own I
didn't touch anything.

Like I said I opened Task Manager to check but I was the only one logged
on. After that everything was normal again. It's like I had a Close
Encounter *L*

Did you want me to run the Windows Defender scan?

So your saying we don' need to do a command prompt etc for the
MediaCreationTool that was only for the Err_6.4.5.exe command tool?
Understood, but you don't actually want me to insert the Patriot and run
it do you ? it would write over the OS.

Robert

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