Am 06.09.2023 um 14:21:38 Uhr schrieb The Doctor:

> About time these abusers are put to book!

Are there many server that peer with Google?
news.highwinds-media.com
proxad.net
giganews
These are mostly used

tweak.nl
fu-berlin.de #I wonder how they got peered with Google
news.glorb.com # sees to be down
!goblin.stu.neva.ru!z5-v6no139834ite.0 #goblin is down

Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
>Am 06.09.2023 um 14:21:38 Uhr schrieb The Doctor:

>>About time these abusers are put to book!

>Are there many server that peer with Google?
>news.highwinds-media.com
>proxad.net
>giganews
>These are mostly used

Come on, Marco, it's impossible to take you seriously when you post
followups to Yads. All major News sites peer with Google Groups. There
may be exceptions but I don't know what they are. Despite abuse problems
they remain a major source of articles.

>tweak.nl
>fu-berlin.de #I wonder how they got peered with Google
>news.glorb.com # sees to be down
>!goblin.stu.neva.ru!z5-v6no139834ite.0 #goblin is down

Am 06.09.2023 um 15:41:26 Uhr schrieb Adam H. Kerman:

> Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
> >Am 06.09.2023 um 14:21:38 Uhr schrieb The Doctor:
>
> >>About time these abusers are put to book!
>
> >Are there many server that peer with Google?
> >news.highwinds-media.com
> >proxad.net
> >giganews
> >These are mostly used
>
> Come on, Marco, it's impossible to take you seriously when you post
> followups to Yads. All major News sites peer with Google Groups. There
> may be exceptions but I don't know what they are.

I heard the rumor that peering with Google Groups isn't public. I
simply grepped over the articles I've on my machine, but I assume
that the result would be different if most news servers peered with
Google.

> Despite abuse problems they remain a major source of articles.

True, there are some interesting posts. One of the reasons I don't have
Google Groups in my killfile.

I don't think that UDP is a good idea here.
Much better would be to only block articles that have certain words in
the subject, like the name of drugs.

In article <udb7fn$27fp$2@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>In article <uda6pb$2hr8j$5@dont-email.me>, Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
>>Am 06.09.2023 um 15:41:26 Uhr schrieb Adam H. Kerman:
>>
>>> Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
>>> >Am 06.09.2023 um 14:21:38 Uhr schrieb The Doctor:
>>>
>>> >>About time these abusers are put to book!
>>>
>>> >Are there many server that peer with Google?
>>> >news.highwinds-media.com
>>> >proxad.net
>>> >giganews
>>> >These are mostly used
>>>
>>> Come on, Marco, it's impossible to take you seriously when you post
>>> followups to Yads. All major News sites peer with Google Groups. There
>>> may be exceptions but I don't know what they are.
>>
>>I heard the rumor that peering with Google Groups isn't public. I
>>simply grepped over the articles I've on my machine, but I assume
>>that the result would be different if most news servers peered with
>>Google.
>>
>
>I will never peer with GG, high spam!
>
>>> Despite abuse problems they remain a major source of articles.
>>
>>True, there are some interesting posts. One of the reasons I don't have
>>Google Groups in my killfile.
>>
>>I don't think that UDP is a good idea here.
>>Much better would be to only block articles that have certain words in
>>the subject, like the name of drugs.
>>
>
>And certain addresses.

WEll now more calls at East-asian spmatrollers are flooding
comp.lang.c to no end!
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doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) composa la prose suivante:

Hi,

>WEll now more calls at East-asian spmatrollers are flooding
>comp.lang.c to no end!

Same on sci.crypt and sci.lang.japan

I modify my nocem (bot: nocembot on news.lists.filters )
to protect "fr", "comp" and "sci" hierarchy.
The bot track "spam" and "flood" every five minutes.
It track also est-asian spam.

You can use these nocem on your server to make yours
groups more redeable.

best regards,
newsmaster of news.usenet.ovh

Copy and Follow to "news.admin.net-abuse.usenet"

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http://usenet.ovh/?article=ual

Le 05/10/2023 à 10:17, llp a écrit :

> You can use these nocem on your server to make yours
> groups more redeable.

LLP is still a far right troll, so be careful what you accept.

Eric M avait écrit le 05/10/2023 :
> Le 05/10/2023 à 10:17, llp a écrit :
>
>> You can use these nocem on your server to make yours
>> groups more redeable.
>
> LLP is still a far right troll, so be careful what you accept.

Eric M. is the mots famous troll on fr hierarchy :-(

These nocems are in use at least on:
- usenet.ovh
- eternal-september
- paganini

Best regards

Le 05/10/2023 à 10:52, llp a écrit :

> These nocems are in use at least on:
> - usenet.ovh
> - eternal-september
> - paganini
>
> Best regards

Tell them you are the reason why Alphanet is no longer online.

Am 05.10.2023 schrieb Eric M <conanospamic@gmail.com>:

> Le 05/10/2023 à 10:52, llp a écrit :
>
> > These nocems are in use at least on:
> > - usenet.ovh
> > - eternal-september
> > - paganini
> >
> > Best regards
>
> Tell them you are the reason why Alphanet is no longer online.

If a troll is the reason that an admin decides to discontinue the
service...
I think other reasons were also there.

Le 05/10/2023 à 11:53, Marco Moock a écrit :

>> Tell them you are the reason why Alphanet is no longer online.
> If a troll is the reason that an admin decides to discontinue the
> service...
> I think other reasons were also there.

For three years everyday LLP bullied Marc Schaefer, he put "Alfanet" in
his path to mock him and everyday he found something, with his three
friends with multiple identities they posted on fr.usenet.abus.d thousands
of messages. Now he's happy and he justs wants to take his place, for
everything. Plus, his pseudo wad first "La Libre Parole", wich is an old
antisemitic newspaper, altough he denies any link. Oh, and he cancelled my
messages with a VPN (but no other reason that I cancelled spam), which he
also denied, so I would not call him reliable, he's using people for a
unclear goal unless it gets clearer everyday. And this is far for being an
exhaustive list, just don't trust him.

The Doctor:

> WEll now more calls at East-asian spmatrollers are
> flooding comp.lang.c to no end!

Is it a coincidence that it stopped here in CLC several
hours after I logged in to Google Gropus and reported some
fourty Thai articles as SPAM?

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Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> writes:

> The Doctor:
>
>> WEll now more calls at East-asian spmatrollers are
>> flooding comp.lang.c to no end!
>
> Is it a coincidence that it stopped here in CLC several
> hours after I logged in to Google Gropus and reported some
> fourty Thai articles as SPAM?

Probably. Ray (who runs Eternal September) is aware of the issue and is
continually (or so I imagine) updating his filters.

I have another feed and, using that alternate view, comp.lang.c has had
2407 posts in the last day.

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Ben Bacarisse:

> I have another feed and, using that alternate view,
> comp.lang.c has had 2407 posts in the last day.

That is mass-market amounts. I recommend the you notify
that crew running that other server of Ray's solution:

,---- <slrnuht2ma.s6bh.rayban@raybanana.net>
| Currently, I'm running all articles originating from GG
| through a SpamAssassin server with a Usenet-specific
| ruleset and reject all articles marked as spam.
| [...]
| The rejected articles are sent to a batcher that creates
| NoCeM messages for the rejected articles and posts them to
| news.lists.filters, so other newsservers can use them to
| clean up their own servers.
`----------------------------

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In article <oqrshitmcte6nfr4e8itu7ckobei3oi45b@news.usenet.ovh>,
llp <llp@usenet.ovh.invalid> wrote:
>doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) composa la prose suivante:
>
>Hi,
>
>>WEll now more calls at East-asian spmatrollers are flooding
>>comp.lang.c to no end!
>
>Same on sci.crypt and sci.lang.japan
>
>I modify my nocem (bot: nocembot on news.lists.filters )
>to protect "fr", "comp" and "sci" hierarchy.
>The bot track "spam" and "flood" every five minutes.
>It track also est-asian spam.
>
>You can use these nocem on your server to make yours
>groups more redeable.
>
>best regards,
>newsmaster of news.usenet.ovh
>
>
>
>Copy and Follow to "news.admin.net-abuse.usenet"
>

FYI how can one use nocem in INN?

>
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>
>Recherche d'article Usenet
>http://usenet.ovh/?article=ual

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* The Doctor wrote:

> FYI how can one use nocem in INN?

INN comes with perl-nocem.

https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/software/inn/docs/perl-nocem.html

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On 05/10/2023 14:37, Ray Banana wrote:
> * The Doctor wrote:
>
>> FYI how can one use nocem in INN?
>
> INN comes with perl-nocem.
>
> https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/software/inn/docs/perl-nocem.html
>

Just a little info:

INN2 come with gpg1, to be sure to remove gpg1 and install gpg2, with
library libgcrypt version 1.10.1, in other case some new signature
you're unable to certify (on my system ubuntu 22.04, the old library
don't support a lot of new signature).

Sincerely

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On 10/5/23 06:10, Anton Shepelev wrote:
> ,---- <slrnuht2ma.s6bh.rayban@raybanana.net>
> | Currently, I'm running all articles originating from GG
> | through a SpamAssassin server with a Usenet-specific
> | ruleset and reject all articles marked as spam.
> | [...]
> | The rejected articles are sent to a batcher that creates
> | NoCeM messages for the rejected articles and posts them to
> | news.lists.filters, so other newsservers can use them to
> | clean up their own servers.
> `----------------------------
>

Where did you find this?
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candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:

> On 10/5/23 06:10, Anton Shepelev wrote:
> > ,---- <slrnuht2ma.s6bh.rayban@raybanana.net>
> > | Currently, I'm running all articles originating from GG
> > | through a SpamAssassin server with a Usenet-specific
> > | ruleset and reject all articles marked as spam.
> > | [...]
> > | The rejected articles are sent to a batcher that creates
> > | NoCeM messages for the rejected articles and posts them to
> > | news.lists.filters, so other newsservers can use them to
> > | clean up their own servers.
> > `----------------------------
> >
>
> Where did you find this?
>

That's a Message-ID up there.
It was in eternal-september.support

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On 10/5/23 08:36, Sn!pe wrote:
> That's a Message-ID up there.
> It was in eternal-september.support
>

OK, thanks
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On 2023-10-05, Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> wrote:
> Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> writes:
>
>> The Doctor:
>>
>>> WEll now more calls at East-asian spmatrollers are
>>> flooding comp.lang.c to no end!
>>
>> Is it a coincidence that it stopped here in CLC several
>> hours after I logged in to Google Gropus and reported some
>> fourty Thai articles as SPAM?
>
> Probably. Ray (who runs Eternal September) is aware of the issue and is
> continually (or so I imagine) updating his filters.
>
> I have another feed and, using that alternate view, comp.lang.c has had
> 2407 posts in the last day.

We need a whitelisting solution, at the federation level.

That is to say, servers like Eternal September should reject all
articles from Google Groups, except from users who are whitelisted.

Usenet could get together and provide a registration service whereby
Google Groups users can register their account for whitelisting.
Those who don't are effectively shadow banned by default, confined
to the Google Groups echo chamber.

Obviously, that registration system would have to be better run than
Google's own account registration, which is the point. Google sets such
a low bar that effort would be needed to bend down that far to do
an equally bad job.

One technical difficulty is that, in the article headers, Google Groups
accounts are identified by an anonymized account ID string. Users don't
know what that string is, and there might not be any way to get it other
than sending an article to another server and getting the headers from
there. (Perhaps GG lets you view the raw article, with headers, if it's
your own).

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On 2023-10-05, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> [...]
> We need a whitelisting solution, at the federation level.
>
> That is to say, servers like Eternal September should reject all
> articles from Google Groups, except from users who are whitelisted.

Maybe the "whitelist" is simply "those users who don't use
google-groups"? :)

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Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> writes:
> We need a whitelisting solution, at the federation level.
>
> That is to say, servers like Eternal September should reject all
> articles from Google Groups, except from users who are whitelisted.
>
> Usenet could get together and provide a registration service whereby
> Google Groups users can register their account for whitelisting.
> Those who don't are effectively shadow banned by default, confined
> to the Google Groups echo chamber.
>
> Obviously, that registration system would have to be better run than
> Google's own account registration, which is the point. Google sets such
> a low bar that effort would be needed to bend down that far to do
> an equally bad job.
>
> One technical difficulty is that, in the article headers, Google Groups
> accounts are identified by an anonymized account ID string. Users don't
> know what that string is, and there might not be any way to get it other
> than sending an article to another server and getting the headers from
> there. (Perhaps GG lets you view the raw article, with headers, if it's
> your own).

So if you're already going to make these Google Groups users register a
new account with some external organization, why not just have them
register with another Usenet server and post from that?

Seems like a simpler way to get the half-dozen worthwhile GG posters
separated from the spam vs. implementing a whole new layer of
whitelisting that needs cooperation from many different news server
admins and is still ripe for abuse, mismanagement, and abandonment.

john

On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 16:52:03 -0000 (UTC)
Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> wrote:

> On 2023-10-05, Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> wrote:
> > Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> writes:
> >
> >> The Doctor:
> >>
> >>> WEll now more calls at East-asian spmatrollers are
> >>> flooding comp.lang.c to no end!
> >>
> >> Is it a coincidence that it stopped here in CLC several
> >> hours after I logged in to Google Gropus and reported some
> >> fourty Thai articles as SPAM?
> >
> > Probably. Ray (who runs Eternal September) is aware of the issue and is
> > continually (or so I imagine) updating his filters.
> >
> > I have another feed and, using that alternate view, comp.lang.c has had
> > 2407 posts in the last day.
>
> We need a whitelisting solution, at the federation level.
>
> That is to say, servers like Eternal September should reject all
> articles from Google Groups, except from users who are whitelisted.
>
> Usenet could get together and provide a registration service whereby
> Google Groups users can register their account for whitelisting.
> Those who don't are effectively shadow banned by default, confined
> to the Google Groups echo chamber.

That would probably be more trouble than it's worth. At least in non-tech
groups, many (most?) GG users don't even know they are using usenet. I've
had threats to one of my sites (web usenet interface) that if I don't stop
scraping google groups for content, they would contact Google (lol)

First you would need to explain what is Usenet, before even trying to get
them to care about their posts showing up anywhere else.

That may not seem like a big deal, but you would be messing up non-tech groups
for non GG users, as they would no longer see most of their recipes, or discussion
of boats or whatever, making their favourite groups much less useful for them.

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>> accounts are identified by an anonymized account ID string. Users don't
>> know what that string is, and there might not be any way to get it other
>> than sending an article to another server and getting the headers from
>> there. (Perhaps GG lets you view the raw article, with headers, if it's
>> your own).
>
> Seems like a simpler way to get the half-dozen worthwhile GG posters
> separated from the spam vs. implementing a whole new layer of
> whitelisting that needs cooperation from many different news server
> admins and is still ripe for abuse, mismanagement, and abandonment.

I agree with John, here, actually I am surprised that in 2023
any one serious about using USENET will still use google groups...
Eternal September just to name one, is a very easy service to
configure and there are updated thunderbird howtos for usenet
we even created one in Spanish a couple weeks a go and our server
we got around 20-30 news users from our areas of cybersecurity
and privacy etc.

Happy Hacking
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In article <slrnuhtbgs.s6bh.rayban@raybanana.net>,
Ray Banana <rayban@raybanana.net> wrote:
>* The Doctor wrote:
>
>> FYI how can one use nocem in INN?
>
>INN comes with perl-nocem.
>
>https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/software/inn/docs/perl-nocem.html
>

Got you.

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