On 10/7/23 19:12, The Doctor wrote:
> In article <ufsiec$2igm6$7@dont-email.me>,
> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>> On 10/7/23 08:55, The Doctor wrote:
>>> Ray Banana is a good man unlike Google!
>>
>> Amazing how much actually caring about your platform does GOOGLE.
>
> NOT!!!

I meant to add a comma there (platform does, GOOGLE)
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On 10/7/23 09:02, The Doctor wrote:
> In article <eopCvYdjL1RzK7sP8cAOJRWJfNY@jntp>,
>> They don't have all the hierarchies. Only the Big 8 and a few alt.*
>> groups.
>
> Google trying to be the monopoly has to be broken.

Is Google *really* the monopoly for Usenet? It seems like most real
users avoid it.
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[FU2]
Le 08/10/2023 à 09:52, candycanearter07 a écrit :

> Is Google *really* the monopoly for Usenet? It seems like most real
> users avoid it.

According to the stats, it's Highwinds Media :

http://top1000.anthologeek.net/top1000.current.txt

Not sure if it's better :)

On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 15:18:06 -0500
Syber Shock <admin@sybershock.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 16:52:03 -0000 (UTC)
> Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> wrote:
> > That is to say, servers like Eternal September should reject all
> > articles from Google Groups, except from users who are whitelisted.
>
> Unless complex cryptographic signature verifications are put in place
> in the proposed central registry, forging would be a route around
> this kind of whitelisting.

Who would do the forging ? If you mean the spammers , I don't think they
would bother or possibly even notice that the measure is in place.

> You can block Google. All non-commercial peer operators should have
> no problem with this.

Is there any reason that commercial newsserver operators would not want
to block googlegroups ? If anything , googlegroups acts as a competitor
to them.

> Look at it this way: Google does NOT care about you or your server or
> your users experience. Why would you want to play mother hen and show
> care and concern for Google's users?

It is not for the sake of the users but for the sake of some newsgroups.
On some groups there are several legitimate and valuable posters who
post through googlegroups ; for example on comp.lang.fortran ,
comp.lang.forth and see what
<P-idnQ-RLPRT0m75nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> says. So the concern
is that indiscriminate blacklisting of googlegroups will also harm the
remaining readers of some groups who don't use googlegroups.

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Eric M <conanospamic@gmail.com> writes:
> [FU2]
> Le 08/10/2023 à 09:52, candycanearter07 a écrit :
>
>> Is Google *really* the monopoly for Usenet? It seems like most real
>> users avoid it.
>
> According to the stats, it's Highwinds Media :
>
> http://top1000.anthologeek.net/top1000.current.txt
>
> Not sure if it's better :)

That tells you more about propagation than end users. I think Highwinds
are focussed on binaries, too.

Based on the subset of text Usenet I carry, Google represents a huge
chunk of the posting user base.

https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/spoolstats/agents-summary.html

(I should make the table report percentages, and there’s some versions
to combine too...)

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In article <uftfla$2m48l$2@dont-email.me>,
candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>On 10/7/23 19:12, The Doctor wrote:
>> In article <ufsiec$2igm6$7@dont-email.me>,
>> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>>> On 10/7/23 08:55, The Doctor wrote:
>>>> Ray Banana is a good man unlike Google!
>>>
>>> Amazing how much actually caring about your platform does GOOGLE.
>>
>> NOT!!!
>
>I meant to add a comma there (platform does, GOOGLE)
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Got you!
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In article <uftn4m$2v91s$2@dont-email.me>,
candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>On 10/7/23 09:02, The Doctor wrote:
>> In article <eopCvYdjL1RzK7sP8cAOJRWJfNY@jntp>,
>>> They don't have all the hierarchies. Only the Big 8 and a few alt.*
>>> groups.
>>
>> Google trying to be the monopoly has to be broken.
>
>Is Google *really* the monopoly for Usenet? It seems like most real
>users avoid it.

The key word is real!

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In article <ZqmF0s2Lzk1wMm0pwbvK5PMkfeE@jntp>,
Eric M <conanospamic@gmail.com> wrote:
>[FU2]
>Le 08/10/2023 à 09:52, candycanearter07 a écrit :
>
>> Is Google *really* the monopoly for Usenet? It seems like most real
>> users avoid it.
>
>According to the stats, it's Highwinds Media :
>
>http://top1000.anthologeek.net/top1000.current.txt
>
>Not sure if it's better :)

If they block google groups ....
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In article <wwvcyxpe8br.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk>,
Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>Eric M <conanospamic@gmail.com> writes:
>> [FU2]
>> Le 08/10/2023 à 09:52, candycanearter07 a écrit :
>>
>>> Is Google *really* the monopoly for Usenet? It seems like most real
>>> users avoid it.
>>
>> According to the stats, it's Highwinds Media :
>>
>> http://top1000.anthologeek.net/top1000.current.txt
>>
>> Not sure if it's better :)
>
>That tells you more about propagation than end users. I think Highwinds
>are focussed on binaries, too.
>
>Based on the subset of text Usenet I carry, Google represents a huge
>chunk of the posting user base.
>
>https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/spoolstats/agents-summary.html
>
>(I should make the table report percentages, and there’s some versions
>to combine too...)
>

I have nothing against highwinds as long as they do not give peering to Google!
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Le 08/10/2023 à 13:25, doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) a écrit :

>>> Is Google *really* the monopoly for Usenet? It seems like most real
>>> users avoid it.

>> According to the stats, it's Highwinds Media :
>> http://top1000.anthologeek.net/top1000.current.txt
>> Not sure if it's better :)
> If they block google groups ....

They have a direct feed, look at the path :
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=169677328300

In article <1nexsyR3qkUHNGidZ7EromwrFVI@jntp>,
Eric M <conanospamic@gmail.com> wrote:
>Le 08/10/2023 à 13:25, doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) a écrit :
>
>>>> Is Google *really* the monopoly for Usenet? It seems like most real
>>>> users avoid it.
>
>>> According to the stats, it's Highwinds Media :
>>> http://top1000.anthologeek.net/top1000.current.txt
>>> Not sure if it's better :)
>
>> If they block google groups ....
>
>They have a direct feed, look at the path :
>http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=169677328300

Depeering would work.
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In article <ufu3l5$2msr$26@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>In article <wwvcyxpe8br.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk>,
>Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>Eric M <conanospamic@gmail.com> writes:
>>> [FU2]
>>> Le 08/10/2023 à 09:52, candycanearter07 a écrit :
>>>
>>>> Is Google *really* the monopoly for Usenet? It seems like most real
>>>> users avoid it.
>>>
>>> According to the stats, it's Highwinds Media :
>>>
>>> http://top1000.anthologeek.net/top1000.current.txt
>>>
>>> Not sure if it's better :)
>>
>>That tells you more about propagation than end users. I think Highwinds
>>are focussed on binaries, too.
>>
>>Based on the subset of text Usenet I carry, Google represents a huge
>>chunk of the posting user base.
>>
>>https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/spoolstats/agents-summary.html
>>
>>(I should make the table report percentages, and there’s some versions
>>to combine too...)
>>
>
>I have nothing against highwinds as long as they do not give peering to Google!

Spamflood comp.lag.c getting to be intolerable.

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[FU2]
Le 10/10/2023 à 17:16, doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) a écrit :

> Spamflood comp.lag.c getting to be intolerable.

Can't see anything here, cxcept people complaining about spam :

http://news2.nemoweb.net/?Newsgroup=comp.lang.c

[FU2]
Le 10/10/2023 à 17:16, doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) a écrit :

> Spamflood comp.lag.c getting to be intolerable.

Can't see anything here, except people complaining about spam :

http://news2.nemoweb.net/?Newsgroup=comp.lang.c

On Tue, 10 Oct 23 15:23:21 +0000, Eric M <conanospamic@gmail.com> wrote:
>[FU2]
>Le 10/10/2023 a 17:16, doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) a ecrit :
>> Spamflood comp.lag.c getting to be intolerable.
>
>Can't see anything here, except people complaining about spam :
>http://news2.nemoweb.net/?Newsgroup=comp.lang.c

nice link! (opens fine using Tor Browser 12.5.6)
http://news2.nemoweb.net/?Newsgroup=comp.lang.c

at this writing, using freeware 40tude Dialog to demote *googlegroups.com*
message-id and reference headers to -9999 instead of simply deleting them,
and using local system time(00:00-24:00|MT/UT-7) for daily/monthly totals,
since the beginning of this year 1 Jan 2023, totals from googlegroups.com:
comp.lag.c = 44234 <-since 1 Jan 2023
so far today = 8268 < since midnight 10 Oct 2023 . . . and counting fast!
this makes comp.lag.c probably the most googlespammed newsgroup in history,
and that's saying a lot given how many other hundreds (thousands?) of busy
newsgroups have been continually assailed by the supreme master googlerace

On 2023-10-10, D <J@M> wrote:
> at this writing, using freeware 40tude Dialog to demote *googlegroups.com*
> message-id and reference headers to -9999 instead of simply deleting them,
> and using local system time(00:00-24:00|MT/UT-7) for daily/monthly totals,
> since the beginning of this year 1 Jan 2023, totals from googlegroups.com:

Any of you have a entry I can add to cleanfeed or INN 2.x to block
all google groups originating posts? I have it locally for my SLRN
and works wonders but we want to do it at server level.

Thanks in advance.
ReK2

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rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.org.invalid> writes:

> On 2023-10-10, D <J@M> wrote:
>> at this writing, using freeware 40tude Dialog to demote *googlegroups.com*
>> message-id and reference headers to -9999 instead of simply deleting them,
>> and using local system time(00:00-24:00|MT/UT-7) for daily/monthly totals,
>> since the beginning of this year 1 Jan 2023, totals from googlegroups.com:
>
> Any of you have a entry I can add to cleanfeed or INN 2.x to block
> all google groups originating posts? I have it locally for my SLRN
> and works wonders but we want to do it at server level.
>
> Thanks in advance.
> ReK2

Per http://www.mixmin.net/cleanfeed/files.html, you just need to add

google-groups.googlegroups.com

to the end of /etc/news/cleanfeed/etc/bad_paths. This should get re-read
automatically after a while, but if you're impatient you should be able
to do this to reload it now:

ctlinnd reload filter.perl killing google groups

The documentation for cleanfeed is pretty good. These are not magical
incantations. I did this yesterday and it has been a massive
improvement.

john

>
> Per http://www.mixmin.net/cleanfeed/files.html, you just need to add
>
> google-groups.googlegroups.com
>
> to the end of /etc/news/cleanfeed/etc/bad_paths. This should get re-read
> automatically after a while, but if you're impatient you should be able
> to do this to reload it now:
>
> ctlinnd reload filter.perl killing google groups
>
> The documentation for cleanfeed is pretty good. These are not magical
> incantations. I did this yesterday and it has been a massive
> improvement.
>

Thank you John!
I just add this and reloaded,
and thanks again I am one of those bookworms and live in man pages and
RFC's but I am a new admin since around July this year and installed
cleanfeed around 2 weeks a go, and there is a ton of information to
learn/read and I been step by step doing so, but this issue with
google groups was annoying me and my users.

Thanks again
ReK2

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In article <ug3vts$2eamc$3@matrix.hispagatos.org>,
rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.org> wrote:
>On 2023-10-10, D <J@M> wrote:
>> at this writing, using freeware 40tude Dialog to demote *googlegroups.com*
>> message-id and reference headers to -9999 instead of simply deleting them,
>> and using local system time(00:00-24:00|MT/UT-7) for daily/monthly totals,
>> since the beginning of this year 1 Jan 2023, totals from googlegroups.com:
>
>Any of you have a entry I can add to cleanfeed or INN 2.x to block
>all google groups originating posts? I have it locally for my SLRN
>and works wonders but we want to do it at server level.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>ReK2
>

I have a half-decent bad_From but it is not keeping up.

>
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In article <ug41ml$2ei48$2@matrix.hispagatos.org>,
rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.org> wrote:
>>
>> Per http://www.mixmin.net/cleanfeed/files.html, you just need to add
>>
>> google-groups.googlegroups.com
>>
>> to the end of /etc/news/cleanfeed/etc/bad_paths. This should get re-read
>> automatically after a while, but if you're impatient you should be able
>> to do this to reload it now:
>>
>> ctlinnd reload filter.perl killing google groups
>>
>> The documentation for cleanfeed is pretty good. These are not magical
>> incantations. I did this yesterday and it has been a massive
>> improvement.
>>
>
>Thank you John!
>I just add this and reloaded,
>and thanks again I am one of those bookworms and live in man pages and
>RFC's but I am a new admin since around July this year and installed
>cleanfeed around 2 weeks a go, and there is a ton of information to
>learn/read and I been step by step doing so, but this issue with
>google groups was annoying me and my users.
>
>Thanks again
>ReK2
>

The other way is in your innd newsfeeds files just do

ME/google-groups.googlegroups.com:\

It is time to unanimously support UDP google-groups.googlegroups.com

The dejanews archive is dead!

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>>
>>Any of you have a entry I can add to cleanfeed or INN 2.x to block
>>all google groups originating posts? I have it locally for my SLRN
>>and works wonders but we want to do it at server level.
>>
>>Thanks in advance.
>>ReK2
>>
>
> I have a half-decent bad_From but it is not keeping up.

Thanks Doctor, I just went ahead with someone suggestions and just blocked all
google-groups 24 hours a go and is being soooo much better :)
I should had done it before :D

Happy Hacking
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In article <ug6hut$2ga66$1@matrix.hispagatos.org>,
rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>Any of you have a entry I can add to cleanfeed or INN 2.x to block
>>>all google groups originating posts? I have it locally for my SLRN
>>>and works wonders but we want to do it at server level.
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance.
>>>ReK2
>>>
>>
>> I have a half-decent bad_From but it is not keeping up.
>
>Thanks Doctor, I just went ahead with someone suggestions and just blocked all
>google-groups 24 hours a go and is being soooo much better :)
>I should had done it before :D
>

Just make certain your posts don't end up on their 'archive'.

>
>Happy Hacking
>ReK2
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In article <ug6c4a$5bk$10@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>In article <ug41ml$2ei48$2@matrix.hispagatos.org>,
>rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Per http://www.mixmin.net/cleanfeed/files.html, you just need to add
>>>
>>> google-groups.googlegroups.com
>>>
>>> to the end of /etc/news/cleanfeed/etc/bad_paths. This should get re-read
>>> automatically after a while, but if you're impatient you should be able
>>> to do this to reload it now:
>>>
>>> ctlinnd reload filter.perl killing google groups
>>>
>>> The documentation for cleanfeed is pretty good. These are not magical
>>> incantations. I did this yesterday and it has been a massive
>>> improvement.
>>>
>>
>>Thank you John!
>>I just add this and reloaded,
>>and thanks again I am one of those bookworms and live in man pages and
>>RFC's but I am a new admin since around July this year and installed
>>cleanfeed around 2 weeks a go, and there is a ton of information to
>>learn/read and I been step by step doing so, but this issue with
>>google groups was annoying me and my users.
>>
>>Thanks again
>>ReK2
>>
>
>
>The other way is in your innd newsfeeds files just do
>
>ME/google-groups.googlegroups.com:\
>
>It is time to unanimously support UDP google-groups.googlegroups.com
>
>The dejanews archive is dead!
>

I have just done this and will not go back.

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On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 16:59:40 +0000, rek2 hispagatos wrote:

>
> Any of you have a entry I can add to cleanfeed or INN 2.x to block all
> google groups originating posts? I have it locally for my SLRN and works
> wonders but we want to do it at server level.
>
> Thanks in advance.
> ReK2

Nope but for those who use DNews -> filter.rul, add googlegrops.com into
"Bad Injection Host"

googlegroups UDP accepted, supported, and enacted on news.ausics.net

fuck the turds.

On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 01:41:51 +1000, noel wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 16:59:40 +0000, rek2 hispagatos wrote:
>
>
>> Any of you have a entry I can add to cleanfeed or INN 2.x to block all
>> google groups originating posts? I have it locally for my SLRN and
>> works wonders but we want to do it at server level.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>> ReK2
>
> Nope but for those who use DNews -> filter.rul, add googlegrops.com into
> "Bad Injection Host"
>
> googlegroups UDP accepted, supported, and enacted on news.ausics.net
>
>
>
> fuck the turds.

googlegroups.om even,, aahhh you know the drill.....