On 2024-03-23, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 23 Mar 2024 18:37:00 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
>>> making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ...
>>> and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
>>> Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power
>>> back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
>>
>>If grocery stores ain't supplying you they aren't making any money.
>>
>>What little shot? You're just making shit up.
>>
>>Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.
>
> I wonder if this is just an individual with mental problems or if he
> represents a much larger group of delusional Trump voters. I saw Greg
> egging him on, for instance.

There's a positive correlation between living in Trumpistan and being
anti-vax.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 16:43:51 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

>On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
>
>>
>>   And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all the
>> histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"? REMEMBER
>> THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ?  Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and yes I've had
>> The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure . Whatever it was
>> I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape for a man of 72" .
>>
>
>Your message brightened my day. I'm going to call the widow of my
>friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well. He
>caught it at work. I bet she was over reacting but you put in into
>perspective for us.

Hear, hear Ed !

On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, GM wrote:

> Snag wrote:
>
>> On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
>>>>>> We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but
>>>>>> they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom,
>>>>>> the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution
>>>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns
>>>>>> across).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer
>>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is
>>>>>> as bad as smoking cigarettes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
>>>>>> Action
>>>>>> Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our
>>>>>> homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK,
>>>>>> causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of
>>>>>> this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
>>>>>
>>>>>     Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get
>>>>> rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they
>>>>> can electric .
>>>>> (INCOMING!)
>>>>
>>>> Who is "they" ?
>>>>
>>> I would say the electric company. ;)
>>>
>>> Jill
>
>> I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't making
>> any money . There are other entities that want to control us ... and it's a
>> lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey Man , all ya
>> gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power back on and let
>> you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
>
> You are ***exactly*** right, Snag, we've already seen this during the
> manufactured Covid hysteria, when those who refused the jab were fired from
> their jobs, thus depriving these people from a livelihood...
....
> Ronald Reagan wasn't kiddin' when he said this at his January 5, 1967 CA
> Gubernatorial Inaugural Address:
>
> "Perhaps you and I have lived too long with this miracle to properly be
> appreciative...
> Freedom is a fragile thing and it's never more than one generation away from
> extinction...
> It is not ours by way of inheritance; it must be fought for and defended
> constantly by each generation, for it comes only once to a people..."

Wise words and sadly they seem to be completely forgotten or ignored by
far too many people. But we can only hope that Trump will win this
november, and maybe, just maybe, he can point the compass needle towards
freedom again.

On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Snag wrote:

> On 3/23/2024 12:38 PM, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Mike Duffy wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-03-23, D wrote:
>>>
>>>> So the amount of energy from the sun that hits us is about
>>>> 100x more than the energy content of the fossil fuel we burn.
>>>
>>>> Would that have any effect at all on the climate?
>>>
>>> Your climate 'model' ignores that the sun does not put
>>> methane & carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
>>>
>>> Also, heat from tidal friction is about 10 * insolation,
>>> and heat from radionucleide decay about 10 * tidal friction.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> We were talking fossil fuel here, not climate models.
>
> No , we were talking about heating with wood . Which we do , with a propane
> backup for times we aren't home for a couple of days in winter . Jill is
> correct we live in a clearing out in the woods . Not exactly a "cabin" though
> . 1500 sf with vaulted ceiling in the dining room/kitchen and a storm/storage
> cellar under the dining room/kitchen .
>
Ok.

On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>> On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
>>>>>> We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but
>>>>>> they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom,
>>>>>> the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution
>>>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns
>>>>>> across).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer
>>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is
>>>>>> as bad as smoking cigarettes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
>>>>>> Action
>>>>>> Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our
>>>>>> homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK,
>>>>>> causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of
>>>>>> this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
>>>>>
>>>>>     Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get
>>>>> rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they
>>>>> can electric .
>>>>> (INCOMING!)
>>>>
>>>> Who is "they" ?
>>>>
>>> I would say the electric company. ;)
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
>> making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ...
>> and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
>> Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power
>> back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
>
> If grocery stores ain't supplying you they aren't making any money.
>
> What little shot? You're just making shit up.
>
> Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.

Don't do it if there's no need for it Cindy, it could kill you. I know and
have heard of many who died after the shot.

My wives family were pestering me to take the shot, and of course I
refused, but it was still annoying. Then someone they knew died because of
it, and fortunately for me, they never bothered me again.

On 3/23/2024 5:07 PM, D wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, GM wrote:

>> Ronald Reagan wasn't kiddin' when he said this at his January 5, 1967
>> CA Gubernatorial Inaugural Address:
>>
>> "Perhaps you and I have lived too long with this miracle to properly
>> be appreciative... Freedom is a fragile thing and it's never more than
>> one generation away from extinction... It is not ours by way of
>> inheritance; it must be fought for and defended constantly by each
>> generation, for it comes only once to a people..."
>
> Wise words and sadly they seem to be completely forgotten or ignored by
> far too many people. But we can only hope that Trump will win this
> november, and maybe, just maybe, he can point the compass needle towards
> freedom again.

Yes, the guy that admires dictators will lead us to freedom! The guy
that wants to put the Constitution on hold will lead us to freedom!

You have a great sense of humor.

On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:

> On 3/23/2024 1:40 PM, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/23/2024 7:00 AM, D wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 22 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ed P wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but
>>>>>> they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom,
>>>>>> the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution
>>>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns
>>>>>> across).
>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer
>>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is
>>>>>> as bad as smoking cigarettes.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
>>>>>> Action Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires
>>>>>> in our homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in
>>>>>> the UK, causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On
>>>>>> top of this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or
>>>>>> gas."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Global Action Plan" = still another one of the useless dopey "The sky
>>>>> is FALLING...!!!" climate "scare" groups...
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd love to see her in person - I'd tie to her a chair and smoke a pack
>>>>> of Camel straights RIGHT into the stupid bint's face, lol...!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> <laffin'>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can also add the anecdotal evidence that despite cars and fireplaces in
>>>> our homes the average life span on the planet has been increasing
>>>> steadily over the last 200 years.
>>>>
>>>> I usually tell all people who are afraid of particles to move to Alaska,
>>>> and that particles is the price we pay for the convenience of living in a
>>>> modern city with modern technology.
>>>>
>>>> I'll take my fire place and car any day over the tiny amount of particles
>>>> they might emit. =)
>>>
>>>
>>> Sure, not everyone gets lung cancer and you can live with asthma using an
>>> inhaler
>>>
>>
>> Yes, let's reshape the earth based on asthmatics with lung cancer and a
>> deficient immune system and let's see how it will go. ;)
>>
>> Or they can get health care and the rest of us can get on with life
>> instead.
>
> So, just let them die if beyond help. You have a great plan.

That's not what I said. There are doctors, did you know that? ;) As for
the planet at large, as I said, despite _particles_ (scary, I know!) we've
never been healthier and wealthier.

> What about our grandchildren and great grandchildren when the oil runs out?
> It will at some point. Does it not make sense to start planning now for
> alternatives? How to conserve what is left?

Oh no... peak oil! Have I heard that before? Let me tell you another
little secret and it is called "the market" and "technological
development". Oil will not peak over night, and as oil prices increase,
alternatives will be develop. It is difficult for me to put into words how
little I care about peak oil and how much I'm not worried about the grand
children.

What does worry me though is socialism, that will lead to starvation and
the killing of 100 of millions and that is why socialism and eco-fascism
must be stopped!

If not, we'll be back to medieval times in no time. That... worries me. =(

> Like most, I just used what I wanted with no thought, but at some point, stop
> and look at the reality and what the industrial revolution has done, both
> good and bad and correct the bad.

Ok.

On 2024-03-23 3:09 p.m., D wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>> On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>> We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our
>>>>>>> culture, but
>>>>>>> they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United
>>>>>>> Kingdom,
>>>>>>> the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution
>>>>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns
>>>>>>> across).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to
>>>>>>> cancer
>>>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood
>>>>>>> fire — is
>>>>>>> as bad as smoking cigarettes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
>>>>>>> Action
>>>>>>> Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in
>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>> homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in
>>>>>>> the UK,
>>>>>>> causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of
>>>>>>> this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want
>>>>>> to get
>>>>>> rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> can electric .
>>>>>> (INCOMING!)
>>>>>
>>>>> Who is "they" ?
>>>>>
>>>> I would say the electric company. ;)
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>>    I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
>>> making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ...
>>> and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
>>> Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power
>>> back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
>>
>> If grocery stores ain't supplying you they aren't making any money.
>>
>> What little shot?  You're just making shit up.
>>
>> Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though.  Thanks.
>
> Don't do it if there's no need for it Cindy, it could kill you. I know
> and have heard of many who died after the shot.
>
> My wives family were pestering me to take the shot, and of course I
> refused, but it was still annoying. Then someone they knew died because
> of it, and fortunately for me, they never bothered me again.

So they put 2 and 2 together and made 5.

On 2024-03-23 3:13 p.m., D wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
>
>> On 3/23/2024 1:40 PM, D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/23/2024 7:00 AM, D wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 22 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our
>>>>>>> culture, but they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In
>>>>>>> the United Kingdom, the BBC reported that they're responsible for
>>>>>>> 27% of PM2.5 pollution (meaning fine particle pollution with
>>>>>>> pieces less than 2.5 microns across).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to
>>>>>>> cancer and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple
>>>>>>> wood fire — is as bad as smoking cigarettes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
>>>>>>> Action Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting
>>>>>>> fires in our homes is the largest source of small particle air
>>>>>>> pollution in the UK, causing serious harm to our lung, heart and
>>>>>>> brain health. On top of this, burning wood produces more carbon
>>>>>>> dioxide than coal or gas."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Global Action Plan" = still another one of the useless dopey "The
>>>>>> sky is FALLING...!!!" climate "scare" groups...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd love to see her in person - I'd tie to her a chair and smoke a
>>>>>> pack of Camel straights RIGHT into the stupid bint's face, lol...!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <laffin'>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I can also add the anecdotal evidence that despite cars and
>>>>> fireplaces in our homes the average life span on the planet has
>>>>> been increasing steadily over the last 200 years.
>>>>>
>>>>> I usually tell all people who are afraid of particles to move to
>>>>> Alaska, and that particles is the price we pay for the convenience
>>>>> of living in a modern city with modern technology.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll take my fire place and car any day over the tiny amount of
>>>>> particles they might emit. =)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sure, not everyone gets lung cancer and you can live with asthma
>>>> using an inhaler
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, let's reshape the earth based on asthmatics with lung cancer and
>>> a deficient immune system and let's see how it will go. ;)
>>>
>>> Or they can get health care and the rest of us can get on with life
>>> instead.
>>
>> So, just let them die if beyond help.  You have a great plan.
>
> That's not what I said. There are doctors, did you know that? ;) As for
> the planet at large, as I said, despite _particles_ (scary, I know!)
> we've never been healthier and wealthier.
>
>> What about our grandchildren and great grandchildren when the oil runs
>> out? It will at some point.  Does it not make sense to start planning
>> now for alternatives?  How to conserve what is left?
>
> Oh no... peak oil! Have I heard that before? Let me tell you another
> little secret and it is called "the market" and "technological
> development". Oil will not peak over night, and as oil prices increase,
> alternatives will be develop. It is difficult for me to put into words
> how little I care about peak oil and how much I'm not worried about the
> grand children.
>
> What does worry me though is socialism, that will lead to starvation and
> the killing of 100 of millions and that is why socialism and eco-fascism
> must be stopped!
>
You seem to confuse progressives with socialists. The opposite, of
course, are the regressive right wingers who want to take us back to
the Nineteenth Century.

On 2024-03-23, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
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>
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>> On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>> We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but
>>>>>>> they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom,
>>>>>>> the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution
>>>>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns
>>>>>>> across).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer
>>>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is
>>>>>>> as bad as smoking cigarettes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
>>>>>>> Action
>>>>>>> Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our
>>>>>>> homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK,
>>>>>>> causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of
>>>>>>> this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get
>>>>>> rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they
>>>>>> can electric .
>>>>>> (INCOMING!)
>>>>>
>>>>> Who is "they" ?
>>>>>
>>>> I would say the electric company. ;)
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
>>> making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ...
>>> and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
>>> Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power
>>> back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
>>
>> If grocery stores ain't supplying you they aren't making any money.
>>
>> What little shot? You're just making shit up.
>>
>> Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.
>
> Don't do it if there's no need for it Cindy, it could kill you. I know and
> have heard of many who died after the shot.

For fuck's sake. Billions of doses have been administered and
relatively few people have died.

I've already had something like four doses. If I didn't die from the
first one, I'm not likely to die from the fifth one.

--
Cindy Hamilton

Ed P wrote:

> On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:

>>
>>   And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all the
>> histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"? REMEMBER
>> THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ?  Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and yes I've had
>> The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure . Whatever it was
>> I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape for a man of 72" .
>>

> Your message brightened my day. I'm going to call the widow of my
> friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well. He
> caught it at work. I bet she was over reacting but you put in into
> perspective for us.

No need to get all needlessly maudlin, Ed... "everybody dies"...

--
GM

Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

> On 2024-03-23, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-03-23, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I usually tell all people who are afraid of particles to move to Alaska,
>>
>> There are plenty of particles in Alaska.
>>
>> https://dec.alaska.gov/air/anpms/communities/fbks-pm2-5-background
>>
>> We had some horrific particulate counts last summer from the Canadian
>> wildfires. I think I'd rather do without particles.

> Everything in moderation. Particles compete with spores for the same
> space. Spores are worse. ;)

"Spores", as in " Invasion of the Body Snatchers ", or " Day of the Triffids "...!!!???

--
GM

On 23 Mar 2024 20:57:24 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
wrote:

>On 2024-03-23, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 23 Mar 2024 18:37:00 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
>>>> making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ...
>>>> and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
>>>> Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power
>>>> back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
>>>
>>>If grocery stores ain't supplying you they aren't making any money.
>>>
>>>What little shot? You're just making shit up.
>>>
>>>Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.
>>
>> I wonder if this is just an individual with mental problems or if he
>> represents a much larger group of delusional Trump voters. I saw Greg
>> egging him on, for instance.
>
>There's a positive correlation between living in Trumpistan and being
>anti-vax.

I think there's a bit more wrong with this "Snag" than being anti-vax.
I think he lives in fear of "them".

On 23 Mar 2024 22:11:35 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
wrote:

>On 2024-03-23, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.
>>
>> Don't do it if there's no need for it Cindy, it could kill you. I know and
>> have heard of many who died after the shot.
>
>For fuck's sake. Billions of doses have been administered and
>relatively few people have died.
>
>I've already had something like four doses. If I didn't die from the
>first one, I'm not likely to die from the fifth one.

It's strange. These anti-vaxxers are not at all worried about the
large number of people who died from covid, but get completely
hysterical from the extremely small number of people who died from
vaccinations.

On 2024-03-23 4:56 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

>
> Remember the fuckin' lockdowns were before there was a vaccine?
>
> I didn't stay home for more than a few weeks after the lockdowns
> started. I worked for a defense contractor that was deemed
> essential, so I went back to the office in May 2020. We all got
> vaccinated as soon as it was available.
>
>> Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and yes I've had
>> The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure . Whatever it was
>> I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape for a man of 72" .
>
> You don't even know if you had COVID. Your anecdote is meaningless
> in any case.

Anecdotally..... there was a big stink in the region to the west of me.
There is a well known and very conservative member of Parliament and he
was in deep shit for having attended a large gathering at a time when
crowds were being limited, and no one was wearing masks. The region is
heavily populated with Dutch immigrants, well known for their strict
religion and conservative views. People were furious that there were
ignoring all the Covid protocols that we had been told would keep us
safe. The regional health unit was tracing Covid infections by sex, age
and location. Curiously,the infection rates in that community were a
fraction of those of the other municipalities in the Region.

>
> Little baby afraid of a shot.
>

On 2024-03-23 5:09 p.m., D wrote:
>

>> Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though.  Thanks.
>
> Don't do it if there's no need for it Cindy, it could kill you. I know
> and have heard of many who died after the shot.

Yeah right. There is someone in my extended family who was rabidly
antivax. He claimed that it was too dangerous. Recently he has run into
serious dental problems and was supposed to be getting all his teeth
removed. Apparently the sudden deterioration of his teeth was the result
of him getting the vaccine. That branch of the clan (sister in laws
step children) are all pathological liars.

A couple years ago there were parents refusing to get their kids
vaccinated because of bullshit claims about them causing autism. Now we
are seeing an increase in measles, a childhood disease that had been all
but eliminated here for decades.

I still think back to my first years in school and how there were a
number of students in the senior grades who had to wear steel braces
because of paralysis caused by polio. We got polio vaccine in Gr. 1 and
nobody in my cohort got polio. We were also free of smallpox and TB..
thanks to vaccine.

I got the Covid19 vaccine as soon as I could and got all the boosters.
I knew that it was not 100% effective but that it would reduce the
severity. I went four years Covid but finally got it last month. I was
not really really ill, but I was out of commission for two weeks.
>
> My wives family were pestering me to take the shot, and of course I
> refused, but it was still annoying. Then someone they knew died because
> of it, and fortunately for me, they never bothered me again.

On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 19:22:46 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On 2024-03-23 5:09 p.m., D wrote:
>
>>> Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though.  Thanks.
>>
>> Don't do it if there's no need for it Cindy, it could kill you. I know
>> and have heard of many who died after the shot.
>
>Yeah right. There is someone in my extended family who was rabidly
>antivax. He claimed that it was too dangerous. Recently he has run into
>serious dental problems and was supposed to be getting all his teeth
>removed. Apparently the sudden deterioration of his teeth was the result
>of him getting the vaccine. That branch of the clan (sister in laws
>step children) are all pathological liars.

Can't they just be stupid?

>A couple years ago there were parents refusing to get their kids
>vaccinated because of bullshit claims about them causing autism. Now we
>are seeing an increase in measles, a childhood disease that had been all
>but eliminated here for decades.

That's not just happening "here", but in many countries. The anti-vax
madness has spread to vaccinations for measles, whooping cough etc.

On 3/23/2024 5:13 PM, D wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
>
>> On 3/23/2024 1:40 PM, D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/23/2024 7:00 AM, D wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 22 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our
>>>>>>> culture, but they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In
>>>>>>> the United Kingdom, the BBC reported that they're responsible for
>>>>>>> 27% of PM2.5 pollution (meaning fine particle pollution with
>>>>>>> pieces less than 2.5 microns across).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to
>>>>>>> cancer and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple
>>>>>>> wood fire — is as bad as smoking cigarettes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
>>>>>>> Action Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting
>>>>>>> fires in our homes is the largest source of small particle air
>>>>>>> pollution in the UK, causing serious harm to our lung, heart and
>>>>>>> brain health. On top of this, burning wood produces more carbon
>>>>>>> dioxide than coal or gas."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Global Action Plan" = still another one of the useless dopey "The
>>>>>> sky is FALLING...!!!" climate "scare" groups...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd love to see her in person - I'd tie to her a chair and smoke a
>>>>>> pack of Camel straights RIGHT into the stupid bint's face, lol...!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <laffin'>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I can also add the anecdotal evidence that despite cars and
>>>>> fireplaces in our homes the average life span on the planet has
>>>>> been increasing steadily over the last 200 years.
>>>>>
>>>>> I usually tell all people who are afraid of particles to move to
>>>>> Alaska, and that particles is the price we pay for the convenience
>>>>> of living in a modern city with modern technology.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll take my fire place and car any day over the tiny amount of
>>>>> particles they might emit. =)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sure, not everyone gets lung cancer and you can live with asthma
>>>> using an inhaler
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, let's reshape the earth based on asthmatics with lung cancer and
>>> a deficient immune system and let's see how it will go. ;)
>>>
>>> Or they can get health care and the rest of us can get on with life
>>> instead.
>>
>> So, just let them die if beyond help.  You have a great plan.
>
> That's not what I said. There are doctors, did you know that? ;) As for
> the planet at large, as I said, despite _particles_ (scary, I know!)
> we've never been healthier and wealthier.

It really is what you said. Doctors don't fix everything, some people
die. Many cases can be prevented with a little effort.

>
>> What about our grandchildren and great grandchildren when the oil runs
>> out? It will at some point.  Does it not make sense to start planning
>> now for alternatives?  How to conserve what is left?
>
> Oh no... peak oil! Have I heard that before? Let me tell you another
> little secret and it is called "the market" and "technological
> development". Oil will not peak over night, and as oil prices increase,
> alternatives will be develop. It is difficult for me to put into words
> how little I care about peak oil and how much I'm not worried about the
> grand children.

I've noticed, you only care about yourself. Why worry about the future,
you won't be here to see the problems.

>
> What does worry me though is socialism, that will lead to starvation and
> the killing of 100 of millions and that is why socialism and eco-fascism
> must be stopped!
>
> If not, we'll be back to medieval times in no time. That... worries me. =(

With your attitude, people will be back to medieval times. Science,
ingenuity, engineering can prevent it but you choose not to participate.

On 2024-03-23 5:37 p.m., Graham wrote:
> On 2024-03-23 3:09 p.m., D wrote:
>>

>> My wives family were pestering me to take the shot, and of course I
>> refused, but it was still annoying. Then someone they knew died
>> because of it, and fortunately for me, they never bothered me again.
>
> So they put 2 and 2 together and made 5.

It's amazing how many antivaxers know people who died from the vaccine.
The only person I know who has claimed to suffer (dental) problems from
it is one of my Sil's stepchildren, and all three of them are pathogical
liars.

Just about everyone I know has been vaccinated but still caught it.
Luckily, most had all had mild case. It was not like the early days of
the pandemic when people were dropping like flies. Then there are those
who died of Covid.... the Wuhan flu, not the vaccine.

On 3/23/2024 6:15 PM, GM wrote:
> Ed P wrote:
>
>> On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
>
>>>
>>>    And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all the
>>> histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"?
>>> REMEMBER THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ?  Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and yes
>>> I've had The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure .
>>> Whatever it was I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape for
>>> a man of 72" .
>>>
>
>> Your message brightened my day.  I'm going to call the widow of my
>> friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well.  He
>> caught it at work.  I bet she was over reacting but you put in into
>> perspective for us.
>
> No need to get all needlessly maudlin, Ed... "everybody dies"...
>

True, have you set a date yet?

On 2024-03-23 6:11 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2024-03-23, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>> This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
>> while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.
>>
>> --8323328-1429150379-1711228185=:20926
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>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>> On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>> On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>>> We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but
>>>>>>>> they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom,
>>>>>>>> the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution
>>>>>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns
>>>>>>>> across).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer
>>>>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is
>>>>>>>> as bad as smoking cigarettes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
>>>>>>>> Action
>>>>>>>> Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our
>>>>>>>> homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK,
>>>>>>>> causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of
>>>>>>>> this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get
>>>>>>> rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they
>>>>>>> can electric .
>>>>>>> (INCOMING!)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who is "they" ?
>>>>>>
>>>>> I would say the electric company. ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>>> I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
>>>> making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ...
>>>> and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
>>>> Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power
>>>> back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
>>>
>>> If grocery stores ain't supplying you they aren't making any money.
>>>
>>> What little shot? You're just making shit up.
>>>
>>> Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.
>>
>> Don't do it if there's no need for it Cindy, it could kill you. I know and
>> have heard of many who died after the shot.
>
> For fuck's sake. Billions of doses have been administered and
> relatively few people have died.
>
> I've already had something like four doses. If I didn't die from the
> first one, I'm not likely to die from the fifth one.

I have had 6. I managed to avoid Covid until last month, but it was
relatively mild.

I don't know about the vaccine status of the husband of one of my wife's
school mates. He came down with Covid a couple months ago and died it it.

On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
> On 3/23/2024 1:37 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>> On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>> We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our
>>>>>>> culture, but
>>>>>>> they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United
>>>>>>> Kingdom,
>>>>>>> the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution
>>>>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns
>>>>>>> across).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to
>>>>>>> cancer
>>>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood
>>>>>>> fire — is
>>>>>>> as bad as smoking cigarettes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
>>>>>>> Action
>>>>>>> Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in
>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>> homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in
>>>>>>> the UK,
>>>>>>> causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of
>>>>>>> this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want
>>>>>> to get
>>>>>> rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> can electric .
>>>>>> (INCOMING!)
>>>>>
>>>>> Who is "they" ?
>>>>>
>>>> I would say the electric company. ;)
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>>     I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
>>> making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ...
>>> and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
>>> Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power
>>> back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
>>
>> If grocery stores ain't supplying you they aren't making any money.
>>
>> What little shot?  You're just making shit up.
>>
>> Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though.  Thanks.
>>
>
>   And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all the
> histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"? REMEMBER
> THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ?  Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and yes I've had
> The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure . Whatever it was
> I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape for a man of 72" .
>

It's rather silly to brag about being unvaccinated. What does the Covid
lockdown have to do with having electricity cut off vs. using a wood
burning stove or fireplace? Nothing at all.

Jill

On 2024-03-23 7:34 p.m., Ed P wrote:
> On 3/23/2024 6:15 PM, GM wrote:
>> Ed P wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>>    And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all
>>>> the histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"?
>>>> REMEMBER THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ?  Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and
>>>> yes I've had The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure .
>>>> Whatever it was I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape
>>>> for a man of 72" .
>>>>
>>
>>> Your message brightened my day.  I'm going to call the widow of my
>>> friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well.  He
>>> caught it at work.  I bet she was over reacting but you put in into
>>> perspective for us.
>>
>> No need to get all needlessly maudlin, Ed... "everybody dies"...
>>
>
> True, have you set a date yet?

I am chuckling thinking about Rodney Dangerfield line about telling his
wife he wanted to be cremated so she made an appointment for next Tuesday.

On 3/23/2024 3:43 PM, Ed P wrote:
> On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
>
>>
>>    And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all the
>> histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"? REMEMBER
>> THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ?  Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and yes I've had
>> The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure . Whatever it
>> was I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape for a man of 72" .
>>
>
> Your message brightened my day.  I'm going to call the widow of my
> friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well.  He
> caught it at work.  I bet she was over reacting but you put in into
> perspective for us.

What other conditions did your friend have ? Did he die in a hospital ?
--
Snag
"They may take our lives but
they'll never take our freedom."
William Wallace

On 3/23/2024 3:56 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>> On 3/23/2024 1:37 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>> On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>> On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>>> We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but
>>>>>>>> they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom,
>>>>>>>> the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution
>>>>>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns
>>>>>>>> across).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer
>>>>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is
>>>>>>>> as bad as smoking cigarettes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
>>>>>>>> Action
>>>>>>>> Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our
>>>>>>>> homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK,
>>>>>>>> causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of
>>>>>>>> this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get
>>>>>>> rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they
>>>>>>> can electric .
>>>>>>> (INCOMING!)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who is "they" ?
>>>>>>
>>>>> I would say the electric company. ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>>> I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
>>>> making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ...
>>>> and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
>>>> Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power
>>>> back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
>>>
>>> If grocery stores ain't supplying you they aren't making any money.
>>>
>>> What little shot? You're just making shit up.
>>>
>>> Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.
>>>
>>
>> And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all the
>> histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"?
>
> Counties with high vaccination rates (herd immunity) had a greater
> than 80% reduction in death rates compared with counties that had
> low vaccination rates.
>
> I certainly would rather live in a county with high vaccination
> rates. Oh, hey. I do. The educated people of Washtenaw County
> see the benefit in vaccines.
>
>> REMEMBER
>> THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ?
>
> Remember the fuckin' lockdowns were before there was a vaccine?
>
> I didn't stay home for more than a few weeks after the lockdowns
> started. I worked for a defense contractor that was deemed
> essential, so I went back to the office in May 2020. We all got
> vaccinated as soon as it was available.
>
>> Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and yes I've had
>> The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure . Whatever it was
>> I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape for a man of 72" .
>
> You don't even know if you had COVID. Your anecdote is meaningless
> in any case.
>
> Little baby afraid of a shot.
>

That's just your opinion .
--
Snag
"They may take our lives but
they'll never take our freedom."
William Wallace