On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>> On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
>>> We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
>>>
>>>
>>> Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but
>>> they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom,
>>> the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution
>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns across).
>>>
>>> That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer
>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is
>>> as bad as smoking cigarettes.
>>>
>>> Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global Action
>>> Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our
>>> homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK,
>>> causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of
>>> this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
>>
>> Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get
>> rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they
>> can electric .
>> (INCOMING!)
>
> Who is "they" ?
>
I would say the electric company. ;)

Jill

On 3/23/2024 7:21 AM, D wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, 22 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
>
>> On 3/22/2024 4:26 PM, GM wrote:
>>> Ed P wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/22/2024 1:25 PM, GM wrote:
>>>>> Ed P wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our
>>>>>> culture, but they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In
>>>>>> the United Kingdom, the BBC reported that they're responsible for
>>>>>> 27% of PM2.5 pollution (meaning fine particle pollution with
>>>>>> pieces less than 2.5 microns across).
>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to
>>>>>> cancer and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple
>>>>>> wood fire — is as bad as smoking cigarettes.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
>>>>>> Action Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting
>>>>>> fires in our homes is the largest source of small particle air
>>>>>> pollution in the UK, causing serious harm to our lung, heart and
>>>>>> brain health. On top of this, burning wood produces more carbon
>>>>>> dioxide than coal or gas."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Global Action Plan" = still another one of the useless dopey "The
>>>>> sky is FALLING...!!!" climate "scare" groups...
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd love to see her in person - I'd tie to her a chair and smoke a
>>>>> pack of Camel straights RIGHT into the stupid bint's face, lol...!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> <laffin'>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Don't you just hate it when actual science does not agree with your
>>>> fantasy?
>>>
>>>
>>> Depends on who is *paying* for the "actual science", Ed...
>>>
>>
>> Plenty of good science.  How about some common sense?  Globally, we
>> burn 100 million tons of fossil fuel every day.  You don't think that
>> has some effect after a hundred years?
>>
>
> And please remember that it is estimated that the Earth receives 430
> exajoules of energy from the Sun every hour.
>
> Add to that that gasoline has an energy content of 43.5 to 47 gigajoules
> per ton (LHV) or 47.3 gigajoules per ton (HHV). Therefore, 100 million tons
> of gasoline would contain between 4.35 and 4.7 exajoules of energy.
>
> So the amount of energy from the sun that hits us is about 100x more
> than the energy content of the fossil fuel we burn.
>
> Would that have any effect at all on the climate?

Clean energy that we can use for many things. Sun also makes plants
grow to help us keep cool. Check the science to see how it gives us life.

On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 09:52:09 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>
>>> Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get
>>> rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they
>>> can electric .
>>> (INCOMING!)
>>
>> Who is "they" ?
>>
>I would say the electric company. ;)

Are they socialists too? Damn, it's spreading like wildfire!

On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 09:53:43 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

>On 3/23/2024 7:21 AM, D wrote:
>>
>> And please remember that it is estimated that the Earth receives 430
>> exajoules of energy from the Sun every hour.
>>
>> Add to that that gasoline has an energy content of 43.5 to 47 gigajoules
>> per ton (LHV) or 47.3 gigajoules per ton (HHV). Therefore, 100 million tons
>> of gasoline would contain between 4.35 and 4.7 exajoules of energy.
>>
>> So the amount of energy from the sun that hits us is about 100x more
>> than the energy content of the fossil fuel we burn.
>>
>> Would that have any effect at all on the climate?
>
>Clean energy that we can use for many things. Sun also makes plants
>grow to help us keep cool. Check the science to see how it gives us life.

Science, you trust science? Follow the money! Think! Think harder!

On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>> On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
>>>> We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but
>>>> they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom,
>>>> the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution
>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns
>>>> across).
>>>>
>>>> That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer
>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is
>>>> as bad as smoking cigarettes.
>>>>
>>>> Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
>>>> Action
>>>> Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our
>>>> homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK,
>>>> causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of
>>>> this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
>>>
>>>     Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get
>>> rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they
>>> can electric .
>>> (INCOMING!)
>>
>> Who is "they" ?
>>
> I would say the electric company. ;)
>
> Jill

I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ...
and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power
back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
--
Snag
"They may take our lives but
they'll never take our freedom."
William Wallace

On 3/23/2024 12:17 PM, Snag wrote:
> On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>> On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
>>>>> We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture,
>>>>> but
>>>>> they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United
>>>>> Kingdom,
>>>>> the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution
>>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns
>>>>> across).
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer
>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire
>>>>> — is
>>>>> as bad as smoking cigarettes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
>>>>> Action
>>>>> Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our
>>>>> homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK,
>>>>> causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of
>>>>> this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
>>>>
>>>>     Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get
>>>> rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they
>>>> can electric .
>>>> (INCOMING!)
>>>
>>> Who is "they" ?
>>>
>> I would say the electric company. ;)
>>
>> Jill
>
>   I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
> making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ...
> and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
> Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power
> back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?

I don't use a wood burning stove or a fireplace to provide heat or to
cook. I don't live in a cabin in the woods. The "they" who might cut
off the electricity would be the electric company if I didn't pay the bill.

Jill

On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 11:17:46 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

>On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>> On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
>
>>>>     Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get
>>>> rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they
>>>> can electric .
>>>> (INCOMING!)
>>>
>>> Who is "they" ?
>>>
>> I would say the electric company. ;)
>>
>> Jill
>
> I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
>making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ...
>and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
>Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power
>back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you.

On 23/03/2024 16:17, Snag wrote:
> On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>     Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get
>>>> rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they
>>>> can electric .
>>>> (INCOMING!)
>>>
>>> Who is "they" ?
>>>
>> I would say the electric company. ;)
>>
>   I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
> making any money .

My electricity supplier just lowered the unit cost a teeny tiny bit.
And they raised the daily standing charge, which I pay whether or not I
use any electricity.

On 3/23/2024 12:56 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 23/03/2024 16:17, Snag wrote:
>> On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>     Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to
>>>>> get
>>>>> rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they
>>>>> can electric .
>>>>> (INCOMING!)
>>>>
>>>> Who is "they" ?
>>>>
>>> I would say the electric company. ;)
>>>
>>    I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
>> making any money .
>
> My electricity supplier just lowered the unit cost a teeny tiny bit.
> And they raised the daily standing charge, which I pay whether or not I
> use any electricity.

My electric bill is not that high, no matter what time of year it is. I
do not rely on wood burning anything to heat my house or to do cooking.
Snag lives in a cabin in the woods. Totally different circumstance.

Jill

On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Mike Duffy wrote:

> On 2024-03-23, D wrote:
>
>> So the amount of energy from the sun that hits us is about
>> 100x more than the energy content of the fossil fuel we burn.
>
>> Would that have any effect at all on the climate?
>
> Your climate 'model' ignores that the sun does not put
> methane & carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
>
> Also, heat from tidal friction is about 10 * insolation,
> and heat from radionucleide decay about 10 * tidal friction.
>
>

We were talking fossil fuel here, not climate models.

On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On 2024-03-23, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>
>> I usually tell all people who are afraid of particles to move to Alaska,
>
> There are plenty of particles in Alaska.
>
> https://dec.alaska.gov/air/anpms/communities/fbks-pm2-5-background
>
> We had some horrific particulate counts last summer from the Canadian
> wildfires. I think I'd rather do without particles.
>
>

I think outer space could be quite nice! ;) Particles are a part of life.
But that's the green agenda in a nutshell, eliminate all human life.

On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:

> On 3/23/2024 7:00 AM, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 22 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
>>
>>> Ed P wrote:
>>>
>>>> We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
>>>
>>>
>>>> https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
>>>
>>>> Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but
>>>> they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom,
>>>> the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution
>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns
>>>> across).
>>>
>>>> That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer and
>>>> premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is as
>>>> bad as smoking cigarettes.
>>>
>>>> Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global Action
>>>> Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our
>>>> homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK,
>>>> causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of this,
>>>> burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
>>>
>>>
>>> "Global Action Plan" = still another one of the useless dopey "The sky is
>>> FALLING...!!!" climate "scare" groups...
>>>
>>> I'd love to see her in person - I'd tie to her a chair and smoke a pack of
>>> Camel straights RIGHT into the stupid bint's face, lol...!!!
>>>
>>> <laffin'>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I can also add the anecdotal evidence that despite cars and fireplaces in
>> our homes the average life span on the planet has been increasing steadily
>> over the last 200 years.
>>
>> I usually tell all people who are afraid of particles to move to Alaska,
>> and that particles is the price we pay for the convenience of living in a
>> modern city with modern technology.
>>
>> I'll take my fire place and car any day over the tiny amount of particles
>> they might emit. =)
>
>
> Sure, not everyone gets lung cancer and you can live with asthma using an
> inhaler
>

Yes, let's reshape the earth based on asthmatics with lung cancer and a
deficient immune system and let's see how it will go. ;)

Or they can get health care and the rest of us can get on with life
instead.

On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:

> On 3/23/2024 7:21 AM, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 22 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/22/2024 4:26 PM, GM wrote:
>>>> Ed P wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/22/2024 1:25 PM, GM wrote:
>>>>>> Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture,
>>>>>>> but they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United
>>>>>>> Kingdom, the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5
>>>>>>> pollution (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5
>>>>>>> microns across).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer
>>>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire —
>>>>>>> is as bad as smoking cigarettes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
>>>>>>> Action Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires
>>>>>>> in our homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in
>>>>>>> the UK, causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On
>>>>>>> top of this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or
>>>>>>> gas."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Global Action Plan" = still another one of the useless dopey "The sky
>>>>>> is FALLING...!!!" climate "scare" groups...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd love to see her in person - I'd tie to her a chair and smoke a pack
>>>>>> of Camel straights RIGHT into the stupid bint's face, lol...!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <laffin'>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Don't you just hate it when actual science does not agree with your
>>>>> fantasy?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Depends on who is *paying* for the "actual science", Ed...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Plenty of good science.  How about some common sense?  Globally, we burn
>>> 100 million tons of fossil fuel every day.  You don't think that has some
>>> effect after a hundred years?
>>>
>>
>> And please remember that it is estimated that the Earth receives 430
>> exajoules of energy from the Sun every hour.
>>
>> Add to that that gasoline has an energy content of 43.5 to 47 gigajoules
>> per ton (LHV) or 47.3 gigajoules per ton (HHV). Therefore, 100 million tons
>> of gasoline would contain between 4.35 and 4.7 exajoules of energy.
>>
>> So the amount of energy from the sun that hits us is about 100x more than
>> the energy content of the fossil fuel we burn.
>>
>> Would that have any effect at all on the climate?
>
> Clean energy that we can use for many things. Sun also makes plants grow to
> help us keep cool. Check the science to see how it gives us life.
>

Exactly my point.

On 3/23/2024 11:39 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 3/23/2024 12:17 PM, Snag wrote:
>> On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
>>>>>> We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our
>>>>>> culture, but
>>>>>> they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United
>>>>>> Kingdom,
>>>>>> the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution
>>>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns
>>>>>> across).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer
>>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire
>>>>>> — is
>>>>>> as bad as smoking cigarettes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
>>>>>> Action
>>>>>> Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our
>>>>>> homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the
>>>>>> UK,
>>>>>> causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of
>>>>>> this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
>>>>>
>>>>>     Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to
>>>>> get
>>>>> rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they
>>>>> can electric .
>>>>> (INCOMING!)
>>>>
>>>> Who is "they" ?
>>>>
>>> I would say the electric company. ;)
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>>    I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
>> making any money . There are other entities that want to control us
>> ... and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry .
>> Hey Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the
>> power back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
>
> I don't use a wood burning stove or a fireplace to provide heat or to
> cook.  I don't live in a cabin in the woods.  The "they" who might cut
> off the electricity would be the electric company if I didn't pay the bill.
>
> Jill

You either missed or ignored my point .
--
Snag
"They may take our lives but
they'll never take our freedom."
William Wallace

On 3/23/2024 11:56 AM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 23/03/2024 16:17, Snag wrote:
>> On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>     Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to
>>>>> get
>>>>> rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they
>>>>> can electric .
>>>>> (INCOMING!)
>>>>
>>>> Who is "they" ?
>>>>
>>> I would say the electric company. ;)
>>>
>>    I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
>> making any money .
>
> My electricity supplier just lowered the unit cost a teeny tiny bit.
> And they raised the daily standing charge, which I pay whether or not I
> use any electricity.

Whether or not you benefit from that depends on your usage . Our
provider also has a minimum billing , but we use a good bit more juice
than the minimum . Before we moved up here full time we would have the
power turned off when we knew we wouldn't be up for a few months . Same
with water supplier .
--
Snag
"They may take our lives but
they'll never take our freedom."
William Wallace

On 3/23/2024 12:38 PM, D wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Mike Duffy wrote:
>
>> On 2024-03-23, D wrote:
>>
>>> So the amount of energy from the sun that hits us is about
>>> 100x more than the energy content of the fossil fuel we burn.
>>
>>> Would that have any effect at all on the climate?
>>
>> Your climate 'model' ignores that the sun does not put
>> methane & carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
>>
>> Also, heat from tidal friction is about 10 * insolation,
>> and heat from radionucleide decay about 10 * tidal friction.
>>
>>
>
> We were talking fossil fuel here, not climate models.

No , we were talking about heating with wood . Which we do , with a
propane backup for times we aren't home for a couple of days in winter .
Jill is correct we live in a clearing out in the woods . Not exactly a
"cabin" though . 1500 sf with vaulted ceiling in the dining room/kitchen
and a storm/storage cellar under the dining room/kitchen .
--
Snag
"They may take our lives but
they'll never take our freedom."
William Wallace

Snag wrote:

> On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>> On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
>>>>> We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but
>>>>> they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom,
>>>>> the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution
>>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns
>>>>> across).
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer
>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is
>>>>> as bad as smoking cigarettes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
>>>>> Action
>>>>> Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our
>>>>> homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK,
>>>>> causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of
>>>>> this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
>>>>
>>>>     Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get
>>>> rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they
>>>> can electric .
>>>> (INCOMING!)
>>>
>>> Who is "they" ?
>>>
>> I would say the electric company. ;)
>>
>> Jill

> I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
> making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ...
> and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
> Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power
> back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?

You are ***exactly*** right, Snag, we've already seen this during the manufactured Covid hysteria, when those who refused the jab were fired from their jobs, thus depriving these people from a livelihood...

Or people were deprived of their civil rights, being arrested for attending church, for example, during the bogus Covid "lockdowns"...

Or in Canada, when some of those involved in the trucker's strike not only were fired, but had their bank accounts frozen...

Or professors on some US uni campuses are fired for not hewing to the politically correct "Diversity/Equality/Inclusion" line...

Even happened here in Oak Park IL to their Libray Director, this woman was *Black*, BTW...!!! And her "thought crime" was focusing the Library on *books*:

https://wirepoints.org/executive-director-fired-by-oak-parks-library-board-wednesday-journal-of-oak-park-and-river-forest/

Executive Director fired by Oak Park’s library board – Wednesday Journal of Oak Park and River Forest

"It comes after weeks of upheaval among some community members who objected to the way leaders, including Joslyn Bowling Dixon, handled a Palestinian cultural event, eliminated two staff positions, at least one of which related to diversity, equity and inclusion. Dixon, they said, was trying to position the library as a place for books only — an outmoded practice — and away from the community hub Oak Park’s library strives to be..."

"Our betters" in leftist crapholes like Canada, UK, Kalifornia, Illannoy, New Yawk, etc. were salivating like dogs smelling a T - bone when the Chinese shut down their country, banning people from leaving their homes, arresting them en - masse when they defied the flu restrictions, etc... brave patriots like FL Governor DeSantis, who defied the Covid nonsense were vilifed, as a war criminal might be...

SO - don't think it can happen here...???

Think again, FOOLS, the leftists in the US government would dearly LOVE to institute a Chinese - style "social credit" system to "control" the populace. The groundwork is already well in place in Canada and much of Europe with ominous "hate crime" laws/restricions that are reminiscent of how the old communist places like East Germany, Romania, the USSR (not to mention nazi Germany or present day communist China, North Korea, Cuba; along with Iran and Russia) used such "laws" to psychogically terrorise and thus coerce their hapless citizens...

With the collusion of corrupt Big Tech, the lying mainstream - regime media, and especially corrupt "progressive" democrats, it would be the simplest thing in the world to initiate - and us ordinary schmucks would have NO redress, let alone a say in the matter...

In fact FDR tried some of thus stuff during his disastrous "New Deal" (trying to stack the Supreme Court, the NRA, etc.... and then imprisoning US citizens of Japanese ancestry during WW II...)... as did Woodrow Wilson during his presidency, with his atrocious record of suppressing civil liberties...

Ronald Reagan wasn't kiddin' when he said this at his January 5, 1967 CA Gubernatorial Inaugural Address:

"Perhaps you and I have lived too long with this miracle to properly be appreciative...

Freedom is a fragile thing and it's never more than one generation away from extinction...

It is not ours by way of inheritance; it must be fought for and defended constantly by each generation, for it comes only once to a people..."

--
GM

On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
> On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>> On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
>>>>> We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but
>>>>> they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom,
>>>>> the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution
>>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns
>>>>> across).
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer
>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is
>>>>> as bad as smoking cigarettes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
>>>>> Action
>>>>> Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our
>>>>> homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK,
>>>>> causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of
>>>>> this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
>>>>
>>>>     Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get
>>>> rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they
>>>> can electric .
>>>> (INCOMING!)
>>>
>>> Who is "they" ?
>>>
>> I would say the electric company. ;)
>>
>> Jill
>
> I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
> making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ...
> and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
> Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power
> back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?

If grocery stores ain't supplying you they aren't making any money.

What little shot? You're just making shit up.

Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 2024-03-23, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
> On 2024-03-23, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>
>> I usually tell all people who are afraid of particles to move to Alaska,
>
> There are plenty of particles in Alaska.
>
> https://dec.alaska.gov/air/anpms/communities/fbks-pm2-5-background
>
> We had some horrific particulate counts last summer from the Canadian
> wildfires. I think I'd rather do without particles.

Everything in moderation. Particles compete with spores for the same
space. Spores are worse. ;)

On 3/23/2024 1:37 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>> On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
>>>>>> We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but
>>>>>> they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom,
>>>>>> the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution
>>>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns
>>>>>> across).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer
>>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is
>>>>>> as bad as smoking cigarettes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
>>>>>> Action
>>>>>> Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our
>>>>>> homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK,
>>>>>> causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of
>>>>>> this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
>>>>>
>>>>>     Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get
>>>>> rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they
>>>>> can electric .
>>>>> (INCOMING!)
>>>>
>>>> Who is "they" ?
>>>>
>>> I would say the electric company. ;)
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
>> making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ...
>> and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
>> Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power
>> back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
>
> If grocery stores ain't supplying you they aren't making any money.
>
> What little shot? You're just making shit up.
>
> Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.
>

And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all the
histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"? REMEMBER
THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ? Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and yes I've had
The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure . Whatever it was
I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape for a man of 72" .

--
Snag
"They may take our lives but
they'll never take our freedom."
William Wallace

On 23 Mar 2024 18:37:00 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
wrote:

>On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
>> making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ...
>> and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
>> Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power
>> back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
>
>If grocery stores ain't supplying you they aren't making any money.
>
>What little shot? You're just making shit up.
>
>Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.

I wonder if this is just an individual with mental problems or if he
represents a much larger group of delusional Trump voters. I saw Greg
egging him on, for instance.

On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 14:52:58 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

>On 3/23/2024 1:37 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>
>>> I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
>>> making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ...
>>> and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
>>> Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power
>>> back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
>>
>> If grocery stores ain't supplying you they aren't making any money.
>>
>> What little shot? You're just making shit up.
>>
>> Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.
>
> And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all the
>histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"? REMEMBER
>THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ? Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and yes I've had
>The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure . Whatever it was
>I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape for a man of 72" .

But not mentally. You're the last person who should own a gun. I can
already see the newspaper article.

On 3/23/2024 1:40 PM, D wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
>
>> On 3/23/2024 7:00 AM, D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 22 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ed P wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
>>>>
>>>>> Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture,
>>>>> but they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United
>>>>> Kingdom, the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5
>>>>> pollution (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than
>>>>> 2.5 microns across).
>>>>
>>>>> That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to
>>>>> cancer and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple
>>>>> wood fire — is as bad as smoking cigarettes.
>>>>
>>>>> Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
>>>>> Action Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting
>>>>> fires in our homes is the largest source of small particle air
>>>>> pollution in the UK, causing serious harm to our lung, heart and
>>>>> brain health. On top of this, burning wood produces more carbon
>>>>> dioxide than coal or gas."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Global Action Plan" = still another one of the useless dopey "The
>>>> sky is FALLING...!!!" climate "scare" groups...
>>>>
>>>> I'd love to see her in person - I'd tie to her a chair and smoke a
>>>> pack of Camel straights RIGHT into the stupid bint's face, lol...!!!
>>>>
>>>> <laffin'>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I can also add the anecdotal evidence that despite cars and
>>> fireplaces in our homes the average life span on the planet has been
>>> increasing steadily over the last 200 years.
>>>
>>> I usually tell all people who are afraid of particles to move to
>>> Alaska, and that particles is the price we pay for the convenience of
>>> living in a modern city with modern technology.
>>>
>>> I'll take my fire place and car any day over the tiny amount of
>>> particles they might emit. =)
>>
>>
>> Sure, not everyone gets lung cancer and you can live with asthma using
>> an inhaler
>>
>
> Yes, let's reshape the earth based on asthmatics with lung cancer and a
> deficient immune system and let's see how it will go. ;)
>
> Or they can get health care and the rest of us can get on with life instead.

So, just let them die if beyond help. You have a great plan.

What about our grandchildren and great grandchildren when the oil runs
out? It will at some point. Does it not make sense to start planning
now for alternatives? How to conserve what is left?

Like most, I just used what I wanted with no thought, but at some point,
stop and look at the reality and what the industrial revolution has
done, both good and bad and correct the bad.

On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:

>
>   And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all the
> histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"? REMEMBER
> THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ?  Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and yes I've had
> The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure . Whatever it was
> I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape for a man of 72" .
>

Your message brightened my day. I'm going to call the widow of my
friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well. He
caught it at work. I bet she was over reacting but you put in into
perspective for us.

On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
> On 3/23/2024 1:37 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>> On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>> We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but
>>>>>>> they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom,
>>>>>>> the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution
>>>>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns
>>>>>>> across).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer
>>>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is
>>>>>>> as bad as smoking cigarettes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
>>>>>>> Action
>>>>>>> Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our
>>>>>>> homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK,
>>>>>>> causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of
>>>>>>> this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get
>>>>>> rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they
>>>>>> can electric .
>>>>>> (INCOMING!)
>>>>>
>>>>> Who is "they" ?
>>>>>
>>>> I would say the electric company. ;)
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
>>> making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ...
>>> and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
>>> Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power
>>> back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
>>
>> If grocery stores ain't supplying you they aren't making any money.
>>
>> What little shot? You're just making shit up.
>>
>> Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.
>>
>
> And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all the
> histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"?

Counties with high vaccination rates (herd immunity) had a greater
than 80% reduction in death rates compared with counties that had
low vaccination rates.

I certainly would rather live in a county with high vaccination
rates. Oh, hey. I do. The educated people of Washtenaw County
see the benefit in vaccines.

> REMEMBER
> THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ?

Remember the fuckin' lockdowns were before there was a vaccine?

I didn't stay home for more than a few weeks after the lockdowns
started. I worked for a defense contractor that was deemed
essential, so I went back to the office in May 2020. We all got
vaccinated as soon as it was available.

> Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and yes I've had
> The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure . Whatever it was
> I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape for a man of 72" .

You don't even know if you had COVID. Your anecdote is meaningless
in any case.

Little baby afraid of a shot.

--
Cindy Hamilton