On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Graham wrote:

> On 2024-03-23 3:13 p.m., D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/23/2024 1:40 PM, D wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/23/2024 7:00 AM, D wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 22 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture,
>>>>>>>> but they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United
>>>>>>>> Kingdom, the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5
>>>>>>>> pollution (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5
>>>>>>>> microns across).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer
>>>>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire —
>>>>>>>> is as bad as smoking cigarettes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
>>>>>>>> Action Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires
>>>>>>>> in our homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in
>>>>>>>> the UK, causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On
>>>>>>>> top of this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or
>>>>>>>> gas."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Global Action Plan" = still another one of the useless dopey "The sky
>>>>>>> is FALLING...!!!" climate "scare" groups...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd love to see her in person - I'd tie to her a chair and smoke a
>>>>>>> pack of Camel straights RIGHT into the stupid bint's face, lol...!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <laffin'>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can also add the anecdotal evidence that despite cars and fireplaces
>>>>>> in our homes the average life span on the planet has been increasing
>>>>>> steadily over the last 200 years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I usually tell all people who are afraid of particles to move to
>>>>>> Alaska, and that particles is the price we pay for the convenience of
>>>>>> living in a modern city with modern technology.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll take my fire place and car any day over the tiny amount of
>>>>>> particles they might emit. =)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure, not everyone gets lung cancer and you can live with asthma using
>>>>> an inhaler
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, let's reshape the earth based on asthmatics with lung cancer and a
>>>> deficient immune system and let's see how it will go. ;)
>>>>
>>>> Or they can get health care and the rest of us can get on with life
>>>> instead.
>>>
>>> So, just let them die if beyond help.  You have a great plan.
>>
>> That's not what I said. There are doctors, did you know that? ;) As for the
>> planet at large, as I said, despite _particles_ (scary, I know!) we've
>> never been healthier and wealthier.
>>
>>> What about our grandchildren and great grandchildren when the oil runs
>>> out? It will at some point.  Does it not make sense to start planning now
>>> for alternatives?  How to conserve what is left?
>>
>> Oh no... peak oil! Have I heard that before? Let me tell you another little
>> secret and it is called "the market" and "technological development". Oil
>> will not peak over night, and as oil prices increase, alternatives will be
>> develop. It is difficult for me to put into words how little I care about
>> peak oil and how much I'm not worried about the grand children.
>>
>> What does worry me though is socialism, that will lead to starvation and
>> the killing of 100 of millions and that is why socialism and eco-fascism
>> must be stopped!
>>
> You seem to confuse progressives with socialists. The opposite, of
> course, are the regressive right wingers who want to take us back to
> the Nineteenth Century.
>
>
Sorry, haven't seen any of those. The only ones I've seen are the ones who
want to give us freedom.

On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On 2024-03-23, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>> This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
>> while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.
>>
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>>
>>
>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>> On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>> On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>>> We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but
>>>>>>>> they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom,
>>>>>>>> the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution
>>>>>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns
>>>>>>>> across).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer
>>>>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is
>>>>>>>> as bad as smoking cigarettes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
>>>>>>>> Action
>>>>>>>> Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our
>>>>>>>> homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK,
>>>>>>>> causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of
>>>>>>>> this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get
>>>>>>> rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they
>>>>>>> can electric .
>>>>>>> (INCOMING!)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who is "they" ?
>>>>>>
>>>>> I would say the electric company. ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>>> I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
>>>> making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ...
>>>> and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
>>>> Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power
>>>> back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
>>>
>>> If grocery stores ain't supplying you they aren't making any money.
>>>
>>> What little shot? You're just making shit up.
>>>
>>> Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.
>>
>> Don't do it if there's no need for it Cindy, it could kill you. I know and
>> have heard of many who died after the shot.
>
> For fuck's sake. Billions of doses have been administered and
> relatively few people have died.
>
> I've already had something like four doses. If I didn't die from the
> first one, I'm not likely to die from the fifth one.
>
>
You never know Cindy, you never know. Better safe than sorry!

On Sun, 24 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

> On 23 Mar 2024 22:11:35 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-03-23, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>>> Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.
>>>
>>> Don't do it if there's no need for it Cindy, it could kill you. I know and
>>> have heard of many who died after the shot.
>>
>> For fuck's sake. Billions of doses have been administered and
>> relatively few people have died.
>>
>> I've already had something like four doses. If I didn't die from the
>> first one, I'm not likely to die from the fifth one.
>
> It's strange. These anti-vaxxers are not at all worried about the
> large number of people who died from covid, but get completely
> hysterical from the extremely small number of people who died from
> vaccinations.
>

Ahh.. you mean died as in "up to 30 days after corona"? ;)

On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2024-03-23 4:56 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Remember the fuckin' lockdowns were before there was a vaccine?
>>
>> I didn't stay home for more than a few weeks after the lockdowns
>> started. I worked for a defense contractor that was deemed
>> essential, so I went back to the office in May 2020. We all got
>> vaccinated as soon as it was available.
>>
>>> Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and yes I've had
>>> The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure . Whatever it was
>>> I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape for a man of 72" .
>>
>> You don't even know if you had COVID. Your anecdote is meaningless
>> in any case.
>
> Anecdotally..... there was a big stink in the region to the west of me. There
> is a well known and very conservative member of Parliament and he was in deep
> shit for having attended a large gathering at a time when crowds were being
> limited, and no one was wearing masks. The region is heavily populated with
> Dutch immigrants, well known for their strict religion and conservative
> views. People were furious that there were ignoring all the Covid protocols
> that we had been told would keep us safe. The regional health unit was
> tracing Covid infections by sex, age and location. Curiously,the infection
> rates in that community were a fraction of those of the other municipalities
> in the Region.

Nothing strange. Sweden has the lowest excess mortality of europe proving
that restrictions were just nonsense.

On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 10:53:38 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> Anecdotally..... there was a big stink in the region to the west of me. There
>> is a well known and very conservative member of Parliament and he was in deep
>> shit for having attended a large gathering at a time when crowds were being
>> limited, and no one was wearing masks. The region is heavily populated with
>> Dutch immigrants, well known for their strict religion and conservative
>> views. People were furious that there were ignoring all the Covid protocols
>> that we had been told would keep us safe. The regional health unit was
>> tracing Covid infections by sex, age and location. Curiously,the infection
>> rates in that community were a fraction of those of the other municipalities
>> in the Region.
>
>Nothing strange. Sweden has the lowest excess mortality of europe proving
>that restrictions were just nonsense.

"According to data from the OECD (Organization for Economic
Co-operation and Development), Iceland and Norway have had the lowest
COVID-1 mortality rates in Europe [2]."

"During the initial wave, Sweden's COVID-19 death rate was higher than
neighboring countries like Norway"

Source: My artificially intelligent friend.

On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:

> On 3/23/2024 5:13 PM, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/23/2024 1:40 PM, D wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/23/2024 7:00 AM, D wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 22 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture,
>>>>>>>> but they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United
>>>>>>>> Kingdom, the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5
>>>>>>>> pollution (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5
>>>>>>>> microns across).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer
>>>>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire —
>>>>>>>> is as bad as smoking cigarettes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
>>>>>>>> Action Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires
>>>>>>>> in our homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in
>>>>>>>> the UK, causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On
>>>>>>>> top of this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or
>>>>>>>> gas."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Global Action Plan" = still another one of the useless dopey "The sky
>>>>>>> is FALLING...!!!" climate "scare" groups...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd love to see her in person - I'd tie to her a chair and smoke a
>>>>>>> pack of Camel straights RIGHT into the stupid bint's face, lol...!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <laffin'>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can also add the anecdotal evidence that despite cars and fireplaces
>>>>>> in our homes the average life span on the planet has been increasing
>>>>>> steadily over the last 200 years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I usually tell all people who are afraid of particles to move to
>>>>>> Alaska, and that particles is the price we pay for the convenience of
>>>>>> living in a modern city with modern technology.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll take my fire place and car any day over the tiny amount of
>>>>>> particles they might emit. =)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure, not everyone gets lung cancer and you can live with asthma using
>>>>> an inhaler
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, let's reshape the earth based on asthmatics with lung cancer and a
>>>> deficient immune system and let's see how it will go. ;)
>>>>
>>>> Or they can get health care and the rest of us can get on with life
>>>> instead.
>>>
>>> So, just let them die if beyond help.  You have a great plan.
>>
>> That's not what I said. There are doctors, did you know that? ;) As for the
>> planet at large, as I said, despite _particles_ (scary, I know!) we've
>> never been healthier and wealthier.
>
> It really is what you said. Doctors don't fix everything, some people die.
> Many cases can be prevented with a little effort.

Exactly my point!

>
>>
>>> What about our grandchildren and great grandchildren when the oil runs
>>> out? It will at some point.  Does it not make sense to start planning now
>>> for alternatives?  How to conserve what is left?
>>
>> Oh no... peak oil! Have I heard that before? Let me tell you another little
>> secret and it is called "the market" and "technological development". Oil
>> will not peak over night, and as oil prices increase, alternatives will be
>> develop. It is difficult for me to put into words how little I care about
>> peak oil and how much I'm not worried about the grand children.
>
> I've noticed, you only care about yourself. Why worry about the future, you
> won't be here to see the problems.

That's some great detection skills you have there. Should I be worried
about any cameras in my home? I bet that I care at least about 1.25x
more about people than you do. ;)

>
>>
>> What does worry me though is socialism, that will lead to starvation and
>> the killing of 100 of millions and that is why socialism and eco-fascism
>> must be stopped!
>>
>> If not, we'll be back to medieval times in no time. That... worries me. =(
>
> With your attitude, people will be back to medieval times. Science,
> ingenuity, engineering can prevent it but you choose not to participate.

No, quite the opposite.

On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2024-03-23 6:11 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2024-03-23, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>> This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable
>>> text,
>>> while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware
>>> tools.
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>>>> We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture,
>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>> they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United
>>>>>>>>> Kingdom,
>>>>>>>>> the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution
>>>>>>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns
>>>>>>>>> across).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to
>>>>>>>>> cancer
>>>>>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire —
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> as bad as smoking cigarettes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
>>>>>>>>> Action
>>>>>>>>> Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in
>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>> homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the
>>>>>>>>> UK,
>>>>>>>>> causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of
>>>>>>>>> this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to
>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>> rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> can electric .
>>>>>>>> (INCOMING!)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who is "they" ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would say the electric company. ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
>>>>> making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ...
>>>>> and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
>>>>> Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power
>>>>> back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
>>>>
>>>> If grocery stores ain't supplying you they aren't making any money.
>>>>
>>>> What little shot? You're just making shit up.
>>>>
>>>> Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.
>>>
>>> Don't do it if there's no need for it Cindy, it could kill you. I know and
>>> have heard of many who died after the shot.
>>
>> For fuck's sake. Billions of doses have been administered and
>> relatively few people have died.
>>
>> I've already had something like four doses. If I didn't die from the
>> first one, I'm not likely to die from the fifth one.
>
> I have had 6. I managed to avoid Covid until last month, but it was
> relatively mild.
>
> I don't know about the vaccine status of the husband of one of my wife's
> school mates. He came down with Covid a couple months ago and died it it.

Had corona 3 times and I just continued to work through it. A common cold
is actually mroe unpleasant. It's mostly in the mind I think.

On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, jmcquown wrote:

> On 3/23/2024 6:11 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2024-03-23, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>> This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable
>>> text,
>>> while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware
>>> tools.
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>>>> We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture,
>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>> they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United
>>>>>>>>> Kingdom,
>>>>>>>>> the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution
>>>>>>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns
>>>>>>>>> across).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to
>>>>>>>>> cancer
>>>>>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire —
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> as bad as smoking cigarettes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
>>>>>>>>> Action
>>>>>>>>> Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in
>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>> homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the
>>>>>>>>> UK,
>>>>>>>>> causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of
>>>>>>>>> this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to
>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>> rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> can electric .
>>>>>>>> (INCOMING!)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who is "they" ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would say the electric company. ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
>>>>> making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ...
>>>>> and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
>>>>> Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power
>>>>> back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
>>>>
>>>> If grocery stores ain't supplying you they aren't making any money.
>>>>
>>>> What little shot? You're just making shit up.
>>>>
>>>> Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.
>>>
>>> Don't do it if there's no need for it Cindy, it could kill you. I know and
>>> have heard of many who died after the shot.
>>
>> For fuck's sake. Billions of doses have been administered and
>> relatively few people have died.
>>
>> I've already had something like four doses. If I didn't die from the
>> first one, I'm not likely to die from the fifth one.
>>
>
> When I went to get my first Covid shot at the hospital annex, the vaccine was
> new so people were supposed to wait about 20 minutes after the vaccine before
> leaving. In case there were any negative reactions. None that I witnessed.
> One woman in the waiting area was talking on her cell phone. She had it on
> speaker (why do people do that?!) Her boyfriend/SO/husband was bitching
> loudly. "Why do you have to wait there for 20 minutes? Just leave! I need
> cigarettes, dammit! And where's my beer? Bring me some beer and
> cigarettes!" She said she already bought them but had to wait before leaving
> after getting the vaccine.
>
> It was ridiculous and really rather sad. I have no idea why anyone would let
> someone talk to them like that. Get up off your ass and buy your own damn
> cigarettes and beer, dude. And woman, stop kow-towing to this loser who
> expects you to fetch and carry for him.
>

Easy, because she's a real woman who cars about her husband. My wife
cleans and cooks for me and it is a sign of love.

Most women I know who are militant feminists live alone and are generally
very bitter.

On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Snag wrote:

> On 3/23/2024 8:03 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 3/23/2024 7:44 PM, Snag wrote:
>>> On 3/23/2024 3:43 PM, Ed P wrote:
>>>> On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all the
>>>>> histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"? REMEMBER
>>>>> THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ?  Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and yes I've had
>>>>> The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure . Whatever it was
>>>>> I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape for a man of 72" .
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Your message brightened my day.  I'm going to call the widow of my friend
>>>> that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well.  He caught it
>>>> at work.  I bet she was over reacting but you put in into perspective for
>>>> us.
>>>
>>>    What other conditions did your friend have ? Did he die in a hospital ?
>>
>> Please stop it.  You left this group a while ago because of contention. Now
>> you are stirring it up.
>>
>> Jill
>
> No Ma'am , I did not stir it up . I merely exposed the true feelings of so
> many here . Don't worry , now that I see the only thing that changed was the
> loss of a whipping boy , I'll probably leave again .
>
> I just do not understand the level of hatred and vitriol these folks bear
> against anyone who doesn't fall into lockstep with their beliefs . They call
> themselves "The Party of Tolerance" . I find the hypocrisy disgusting .
>

Don't worry snag, I'm a bit of a whipping boy, so if you leave, I'll
shoulder the burden from you. ;)

As for the hatred, that's socialism for you, and in case of corona it's
sunk cost. They played along with theater and lost 2 years of their lives,
so it would be too painful to admit that what they did was waste 2 years
of their lives.

By contrast, I was happily going to restaurants meeting friends, so of
course there will be hatred.

It's tough to admit you were conned.

On Sun, 24 Mar 2024, GM wrote:

> Snag wrote:
>
>> On 3/23/2024 8:03 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 3/23/2024 7:44 PM, Snag wrote:
>>>> On 3/23/2024 3:43 PM, Ed P wrote:
>>>>> On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all the
>>>>>> histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"? REMEMBER
>>>>>> THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ?  Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and yes I've had
>>>>>> The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure . Whatever it was
>>>>>> I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape for a man of 72" .
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Your message brightened my day.  I'm going to call the widow of my
>>>>> friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well.  He
>>>>> caught it at work.  I bet she was over reacting but you put in into
>>>>> perspective for us.
>>>>
>>>>    What other conditions did your friend have ? Did he die in a hospital
>>>> ?
>>>
>>> Please stop it.  You left this group a while ago because of contention.
>>> Now you are stirring it up.
>>>
>>> Jill
>
>> No Ma'am , I did not stir it up . I merely exposed the true feelings of
>> so many here . Don't worry , now that I see the only thing that changed was
>> the loss of a whipping boy , I'll probably leave again .
>
>> I just do not understand the level of hatred and vitriol these folks
>> bear against anyone who doesn't fall into lockstep with their beliefs .
>> They call themselves "The Party of Tolerance" . I find the hypocrisy
>> disgusting .
>
>
> It's called "Trump Derangemnt Syndrome", Snag... it's a form of mental
> illness - abnormality,,,
>
> Anything we say that doesn't 1000% agree with their "Progressive Party Line"
> has them FROTHING at the mouth...
>
> Remember: "It's not *you* - it's *them*..."...
>
> PLEASE Don't leave, your Rabid Dog "detractors" here are a big buncha mewling
> crybabies... all the more pitiful because they are all in their 60's - 70's,
> lol...!!!
>
> PS: unless Jill is "paying your way through life", she's NO business
> hectoring you as she did above...
>
> :-)
>
>
United we stand snag! ;)

On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 12:34:04 -0400, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
wrote:

> reason and science mean nothing to Trumpers, they
>don't understand it and what they don't understand they
>have to destroy (or attempt it). same for wisdom, other
>cultures, biology, etc. all must be destroyed because
>it's hard. what they want instead is to be fed, pampered
>and most of all not-disturbed in their famtasy worlds.

That's about it. They'll never vote for a smart candidate, because
they feel threatened by smart people. Smart people trigger their
paranoia.

On 3/23/2024 11:57 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 3/23/2024 10:56 PM, Snag wrote:
>> On 3/23/2024 8:03 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 3/23/2024 7:44 PM, Snag wrote:
>>>> On 3/23/2024 3:43 PM, Ed P wrote:
>>>>> On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all
>>>>>> the histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"?
>>>>>> REMEMBER THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ?  Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and
>>>>>> yes I've had The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure
>>>>>> . Whatever it was I got over it and am in "Damn good physical
>>>>>> shape for a man of 72" .
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Your message brightened my day.  I'm going to call the widow of my
>>>>> friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well.
>>>>> He caught it at work.  I bet she was over reacting but you put in
>>>>> into perspective for us.
>>>>
>>>>    What other conditions did your friend have ? Did he die in a
>>>> hospital ?
>>>
>>> Please stop it.  You left this group a while ago because of
>>> contention. Now you are stirring it up.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>>    No Ma'am , I did not stir it up . I merely exposed the true
>> feelings of so many here . Don't worry , now that I see the only thing
>> that changed was the loss of a whipping boy , I'll probably leave again .
>>
> Obviously you didn't come back to discuss much having to do with cooking.
>
> Jill

Did I start this thread ? Nope , I'm just along for the ride .
--
Snag
"They may take our lives but
they'll never take our freedom."
William Wallace

Bruce wrote:
....
> That's about it. They'll never vote for a smart candidate, because
> they feel threatened by smart people. Smart people trigger their
> paranoia.

math is hard! they complain that they don't want to
do what they're told, but they're doing what the FUXNEWTS
talking heads tell them to do. yes, they're truely wise
intelligent beings who should be elected to public offices
like MTG and the pillow guy and the great orange lump.
all failures.

songbird

Bruce wrote:
....
> Snag, please stay. I like to get more of an insight into the mind of a
> Trump Zombie. Most of them can't really write, so you're my only
> chance. It's fascinating.

ivermectin is just a sign of someone stuck on repeat
who's not followed recent reports (because they don't
believe actual scientists and instead prefer to believe
morons who keep repeating the same old poorly done
studies).

https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/miscellaneous-drugs/ivermectin/

songbird

Snag wrote:
....
> No Ma'am , I did not stir it up . I merely exposed the true feelings
> of so many here . Don't worry , now that I see the only thing that
> changed was the loss of a whipping boy , I'll probably leave again .
>
> I just do not understand the level of hatred and vitriol these folks
> bear against anyone who doesn't fall into lockstep with their beliefs .
> They call themselves "The Party of Tolerance" . I find the hypocrisy
> disgusting .

hatred? no. just plain pointing out how ignorant such
things are these days. being proud of being ignorant is
the trademark of what kind of person? is that someone
that you want in a high public office or someone to admire?
what about admitting you don't know something and spending
some time learning about it instead of poking your head
further up your ass and then accusing others of being
something they aren't? piling errors upon errors...

and it's always been the case that the few will always
complain about some silent majority when they feel like
they're being opposed. it's been prevalent since the
early days of usenet to the point where it is a long-
standing joke. you get a few people who bring out the
sock puppets to give themselves company and to talk to
themselves.

songbird

On 3/24/2024 8:07 AM, Snag wrote:
> On 3/23/2024 11:57 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 3/23/2024 10:56 PM, Snag wrote:
>>> On 3/23/2024 8:03 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 3/23/2024 7:44 PM, Snag wrote:
>>>>> On 3/23/2024 3:43 PM, Ed P wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all
>>>>>>> the histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"?
>>>>>>> REMEMBER THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ?  Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and
>>>>>>> yes I've had The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not
>>>>>>> sure . Whatever it was I got over it and am in "Damn good
>>>>>>> physical shape for a man of 72" .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your message brightened my day.  I'm going to call the widow of my
>>>>>> friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well.
>>>>>> He caught it at work.  I bet she was over reacting but you put in
>>>>>> into perspective for us.
>>>>>
>>>>>    What other conditions did your friend have ? Did he die in a
>>>>> hospital ?
>>>>
>>>> Please stop it.  You left this group a while ago because of
>>>> contention. Now you are stirring it up.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>>    No Ma'am , I did not stir it up . I merely exposed the true
>>> feelings of so many here . Don't worry , now that I see the only
>>> thing that changed was the loss of a whipping boy , I'll probably
>>> leave again .
>>>
>> Obviously you didn't come back to discuss much having to do with cooking.
>>
>> Jill
>
>   Did I start this thread ? Nope , I'm just along for the ride .

No, you didn't start the thread. The thread drifted to Covid crap and I
don't understand anti-vaxxers anymore than I understand "preppers" who
look for Armageddon around every corner.

OB Food: Chuck roast. I'll be cooking it low and slow, after sprinkling
with S&P and browning it to get the maillard reaction. Simmered in beef
broth with a couple of bay leaves, a few pearl onions, cloves of garlic
and a cheesecloth bouquet garni with peppercorns and dried herbs.

You recently bought a lot of meat. What's on the menu today? :)

Jill

On 2024-03-23 11:36 p.m., Graham wrote:
> On 2024-03-23 9:00 p.m., Snag wrote:
>> On 3/23/2024 8:59 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>> Ed P wrote:
>>>> On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Â  And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all
>>>>> the histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"?
>>>>> REMEMBER THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ?  Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and
>>>>> yes I've had The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure
>>>>> . Whatever it was I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape
>>>>> for a man of 72" .
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Your message brightened my day.  I'm going to call the widow of my
>>>> friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well.  He
>>>> caught it at work.  I bet she was over reacting but you put in into
>>>> perspective for us.
>>>
>>> "They" would have got him anyway. The only true protection we had was
>>> ivermectin horse wormer, and the malaria drug that trump recommended.
>>>
>>
>>    Oh yeah , the stuff Big Pharma got banned because they couldn't
>> make billions on it . Got a tube of Ivermectin on the shelf with my
>> "veterinary supplies" . Got it at the farm supply (!) .
>
> I bet you believe that con-trails are dispensing mind-control
> substances.

Funny how people can be so skeptical about scientists but will believe
the research reported by people who drive trucks with nuts hanging from
the trailer hitch.

On 2024-03-24, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
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> while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.
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>
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Graham wrote:
>
>> On 2024-03-23 3:13 p.m., D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/23/2024 1:40 PM, D wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/23/2024 7:00 AM, D wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 22 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture,
>>>>>>>>> but they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United
>>>>>>>>> Kingdom, the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5
>>>>>>>>> pollution (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5
>>>>>>>>> microns across).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer
>>>>>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire —
>>>>>>>>> is as bad as smoking cigarettes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
>>>>>>>>> Action Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires
>>>>>>>>> in our homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in
>>>>>>>>> the UK, causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On
>>>>>>>>> top of this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or
>>>>>>>>> gas."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Global Action Plan" = still another one of the useless dopey "The sky
>>>>>>>> is FALLING...!!!" climate "scare" groups...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd love to see her in person - I'd tie to her a chair and smoke a
>>>>>>>> pack of Camel straights RIGHT into the stupid bint's face, lol...!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <laffin'>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can also add the anecdotal evidence that despite cars and fireplaces
>>>>>>> in our homes the average life span on the planet has been increasing
>>>>>>> steadily over the last 200 years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I usually tell all people who are afraid of particles to move to
>>>>>>> Alaska, and that particles is the price we pay for the convenience of
>>>>>>> living in a modern city with modern technology.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll take my fire place and car any day over the tiny amount of
>>>>>>> particles they might emit. =)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure, not everyone gets lung cancer and you can live with asthma using
>>>>>> an inhaler
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, let's reshape the earth based on asthmatics with lung cancer and a
>>>>> deficient immune system and let's see how it will go. ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> Or they can get health care and the rest of us can get on with life
>>>>> instead.
>>>>
>>>> So, just let them die if beyond help.  You have a great plan.
>>>
>>> That's not what I said. There are doctors, did you know that? ;) As for the
>>> planet at large, as I said, despite _particles_ (scary, I know!) we've
>>> never been healthier and wealthier.
>>>
>>>> What about our grandchildren and great grandchildren when the oil runs
>>>> out? It will at some point.  Does it not make sense to start planning now
>>>> for alternatives?  How to conserve what is left?
>>>
>>> Oh no... peak oil! Have I heard that before? Let me tell you another little
>>> secret and it is called "the market" and "technological development". Oil
>>> will not peak over night, and as oil prices increase, alternatives will be
>>> develop. It is difficult for me to put into words how little I care about
>>> peak oil and how much I'm not worried about the grand children.
>>>
>>> What does worry me though is socialism, that will lead to starvation and
>>> the killing of 100 of millions and that is why socialism and eco-fascism
>>> must be stopped!
>>>
>> You seem to confuse progressives with socialists. The opposite, of
>> course, are the regressive right wingers who want to take us back to
>> the Nineteenth Century.
>>
>>
> Sorry, haven't seen any of those. The only ones I've seen are the ones who
> want to give us freedom.

What freedoms are you lacking?

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 2024-03-24, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
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>
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> On 2024-03-23 6:11 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-23, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>> This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture,
>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>> they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United
>>>>>>>>>> Kingdom,
>>>>>>>>>> the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution
>>>>>>>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns
>>>>>>>>>> across).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to
>>>>>>>>>> cancer
>>>>>>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire —
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> as bad as smoking cigarettes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
>>>>>>>>>> Action
>>>>>>>>>> Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in
>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>> homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the
>>>>>>>>>> UK,
>>>>>>>>>> causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of
>>>>>>>>>> this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to
>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>> rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> can electric .
>>>>>>>>> (INCOMING!)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who is "they" ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would say the electric company. ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
>>>>>> making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ...
>>>>>> and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
>>>>>> Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power
>>>>>> back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
>>>>>
>>>>> If grocery stores ain't supplying you they aren't making any money.
>>>>>
>>>>> What little shot? You're just making shit up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Don't do it if there's no need for it Cindy, it could kill you. I know and
>>>> have heard of many who died after the shot.
>>>
>>> For fuck's sake. Billions of doses have been administered and
>>> relatively few people have died.
>>>
>>> I've already had something like four doses. If I didn't die from the
>>> first one, I'm not likely to die from the fifth one.
>>
>> I have had 6. I managed to avoid Covid until last month, but it was
>> relatively mild.
>>
>> I don't know about the vaccine status of the husband of one of my wife's
>> school mates. He came down with Covid a couple months ago and died it it.
>
> Had corona 3 times and I just continued to work through it. A common cold
> is actually mroe unpleasant. It's mostly in the mind I think.

Your anecdote is not data.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 2024-03-24 12:08 a.m., Snag wrote:
> On 3/23/2024 10:55 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
>> Snag wrote:
>>> On 3/23/2024 8:59 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>> Ed P wrote:
>>>>> On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Â And that's the "little shot" I was referring to .
>>>>>> Remember all the histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading
>>>>>> death to everybody"? REMEMBER THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ?ÂÂ
>>>>>> Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and yes I've had The Coof . Or
>>>>>> maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure . Whatever it was I
>>>>>> got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape for a man
>>>>>> of 72" .
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Your message brightened my day. I'm going to call the widow
>>>>> of my friend that died from Covid and let her know you are
>>>>> doing well. He caught it at work. I bet she was over
>>>>> reacting but you put in into perspective for us.
>>>>
>>>> "They" would have got him anyway. The only true protection we
>>>> had was ivermectin horse wormer, and the malaria drug that
>>>> trump recommended.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Oh yeah , the stuff Big Pharma got banned because they couldn't
>>> make billions on it . Got a tube of Ivermectin on the shelf with
>>> my "veterinary supplies" . Got it at the farm supply (!) .
>>
>> I didn't know it got banned. I haven't bought any for several
>> months. I get it from a farmer's COOP. I guess I won't be able to
>> get it next time I go there.
>>
>>
>
> Sure you will , the CDC has reversed itself and both Ivermectin and
> hydroxychloroquine are now "approved" to treat covid . If you can't
> find a druggist to fill your 'scrip just do what you been doing .

You are going to need a cite for that. I was skeptical and checked it
out. Based on the results I gotta call BS on that one. But don't worry.
Keep repeating it loud enough and often enough and someone will believe
you. Apparently it worked on you.

On 2024-03-23 10:56 p.m., Snag wrote:
> On 3/23/2024 8:03 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> Please stop it.  You left this group a while ago because of
>> contention. Now you are stirring it up.
>>
>> Jill
>
>   No Ma'am , I did not stir it up . I merely exposed the true feelings
> of so many here . Don't worry , now that I see the only thing that
> changed was the loss of a whipping boy , I'll probably leave again .
>

Which whipping boy would that be? Kuthe? If anyone or any group had
the power to drive him out he would have been long ago. He claimed to
have had a degree in computer engineering but apparently had a lot of
difficulty with computer hardware and software. When Google Groups
dropped Usenet he lost his access and seems not to have been able to put
his training and education to work to find another provider.

>   I just do not understand the level of hatred and vitriol these folks
> bear against anyone who doesn't fall into lockstep with their beliefs .
> They call themselves "The Party of Tolerance" . I find the hypocrisy
> disgusting .

Some people are just full of hatred and live to make things miserable
for other people. Kill files are a pretty good way to deal with them.

On 3/24/2024 9:40 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2024-03-24, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>> This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
>> while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.
>>
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>>
>>
>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Graham wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-03-23 3:13 p.m., D wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/23/2024 1:40 PM, D wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/23/2024 7:00 AM, D wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 22 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture,
>>>>>>>>>> but they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United
>>>>>>>>>> Kingdom, the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5
>>>>>>>>>> pollution (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5
>>>>>>>>>> microns across).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer
>>>>>>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire —
>>>>>>>>>> is as bad as smoking cigarettes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
>>>>>>>>>> Action Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires
>>>>>>>>>> in our homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in
>>>>>>>>>> the UK, causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On
>>>>>>>>>> top of this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or
>>>>>>>>>> gas."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Global Action Plan" = still another one of the useless dopey "The sky
>>>>>>>>> is FALLING...!!!" climate "scare" groups...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'd love to see her in person - I'd tie to her a chair and smoke a
>>>>>>>>> pack of Camel straights RIGHT into the stupid bint's face, lol...!!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <laffin'>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can also add the anecdotal evidence that despite cars and fireplaces
>>>>>>>> in our homes the average life span on the planet has been increasing
>>>>>>>> steadily over the last 200 years.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I usually tell all people who are afraid of particles to move to
>>>>>>>> Alaska, and that particles is the price we pay for the convenience of
>>>>>>>> living in a modern city with modern technology.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll take my fire place and car any day over the tiny amount of
>>>>>>>> particles they might emit. =)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure, not everyone gets lung cancer and you can live with asthma using
>>>>>>> an inhaler
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, let's reshape the earth based on asthmatics with lung cancer and a
>>>>>> deficient immune system and let's see how it will go. ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or they can get health care and the rest of us can get on with life
>>>>>> instead.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, just let them die if beyond help.  You have a great plan.
>>>>
>>>> That's not what I said. There are doctors, did you know that? ;) As for the
>>>> planet at large, as I said, despite _particles_ (scary, I know!) we've
>>>> never been healthier and wealthier.
>>>>
>>>>> What about our grandchildren and great grandchildren when the oil runs
>>>>> out? It will at some point.  Does it not make sense to start planning now
>>>>> for alternatives?  How to conserve what is left?
>>>>
>>>> Oh no... peak oil! Have I heard that before? Let me tell you another little
>>>> secret and it is called "the market" and "technological development". Oil
>>>> will not peak over night, and as oil prices increase, alternatives will be
>>>> develop. It is difficult for me to put into words how little I care about
>>>> peak oil and how much I'm not worried about the grand children.
>>>>
>>>> What does worry me though is socialism, that will lead to starvation and
>>>> the killing of 100 of millions and that is why socialism and eco-fascism
>>>> must be stopped!
>>>>
>>> You seem to confuse progressives with socialists. The opposite, of
>>> course, are the regressive right wingers who want to take us back to
>>> the Nineteenth Century.
>>>
>>>
>> Sorry, haven't seen any of those. The only ones I've seen are the ones who
>> want to give us freedom.
>
> What freedoms are you lacking?
>
<sigh> who knows what the hell 'D' is talking about?

Jill

On 3/24/2024 8:07 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 3/24/2024 8:07 AM, Snag wrote:
>> On 3/23/2024 11:57 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 3/23/2024 10:56 PM, Snag wrote:
>>>> On 3/23/2024 8:03 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>> On 3/23/2024 7:44 PM, Snag wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/23/2024 3:43 PM, Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember
>>>>>>>> all the histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to
>>>>>>>> everybody"? REMEMBER THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ?  Well , I'm still
>>>>>>>> unvaxxed , and yes I've had The Coof . Or maybe it was just a
>>>>>>>> cold , I'm not sure . Whatever it was I got over it and am in
>>>>>>>> "Damn good physical shape for a man of 72" .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your message brightened my day.  I'm going to call the widow of
>>>>>>> my friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing
>>>>>>> well. He caught it at work.  I bet she was over reacting but you
>>>>>>> put in into perspective for us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    What other conditions did your friend have ? Did he die in a
>>>>>> hospital ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Please stop it.  You left this group a while ago because of
>>>>> contention. Now you are stirring it up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>>>    No Ma'am , I did not stir it up . I merely exposed the true
>>>> feelings of so many here . Don't worry , now that I see the only
>>>> thing that changed was the loss of a whipping boy , I'll probably
>>>> leave again .
>>>>
>>> Obviously you didn't come back to discuss much having to do with
>>> cooking.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>>    Did I start this thread ? Nope , I'm just along for the ride .
>
> No, you didn't start the thread.  The thread drifted to Covid crap and I
> don't understand anti-vaxxers anymore than I understand "preppers" who
> look for Armageddon around every corner.
>
> OB Food: Chuck roast.  I'll be cooking it low and slow, after sprinkling
> with S&P and browning it to get the maillard reaction.  Simmered in beef
> broth with a couple of bay leaves, a few pearl onions, cloves of garlic
> and a cheesecloth bouquet garni with peppercorns and dried herbs.
>
> You recently bought a lot of meat.  What's on the menu today? :)
>
> Jill

I put a 10 pound pork butt on the smoker last night . My wife is
going to make some of her fantastic potato salad and I'll doctor up some
canned baked beans .
--
Snag
"They may take our lives but
they'll never take our freedom."
William Wallace

On 3/24/2024 8:37 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2024-03-23 11:36 p.m., Graham wrote:
>> On 2024-03-23 9:00 p.m., Snag wrote:
>>> On 3/23/2024 8:59 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>> Ed P wrote:
>>>>> On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Â  And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all
>>>>>> the histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"?
>>>>>> REMEMBER THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ?  Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and
>>>>>> yes I've had The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure
>>>>>> . Whatever it was I got over it and am in "Damn good physical
>>>>>> shape for a man of 72" .
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Your message brightened my day.  I'm going to call the widow of my
>>>>> friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well.
>>>>> He caught it at work.  I bet she was over reacting but you put in
>>>>> into perspective for us.
>>>>
>>>> "They" would have got him anyway. The only true protection we had
>>>> was ivermectin horse wormer, and the malaria drug that trump
>>>> recommended.
>>>>
>>>
>>>    Oh yeah , the stuff Big Pharma got banned because they couldn't
>>> make billions on it . Got a tube of Ivermectin on the shelf with my
>>> "veterinary supplies" . Got it at the farm supply (!) .
>>
>> I bet you believe that con-trails are dispensing mind-control
>> substances.
>
>
> Funny how people can be so skeptical about scientists but will believe
> the research reported by people who drive trucks with nuts hanging from
> the trailer hitch.
>

Are you implying that I have a set of those things on my truck ?
--
Snag
"They may take our lives but
they'll never take our freedom."
William Wallace

On 2024-03-24, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

> Easy, because she's a real woman who cars about her husband. My wife
> cleans and cooks for me and it is a sign of love.

My husband and I clean and cook for each other and it is a sign of love.

> Most women I know who are militant feminists live alone and are generally
> very bitter.

Not a statistically significant sample. Sample size too small. Sample
not randomly selected.

--
Cindy Hamilton