On 2024-02-06, occam wrote:

> On 05/02/2024 23:17, J. J. Lodder wrote:
....
>> The traditional astronomical/astrological symbols for Venus and Mars
>> (circle with cross below and circle with diagonal up arrow)
>> have been widely taken over as male/female symbols,
>> in all of 'western' culture,
>
> Yes, I'd recognise the circle (with a cross / arrow) as male/female
> symbols. But I doubt if many people - outside of astrology charts -
> would attribute them as symbols for 'Venus' and 'Mars'. (The
> intermediate step has been lost except to star-sign columns.)
>
> I came across another interesting 'universal' symbol of male/female
> toilets. 'XX' and 'XY'. The problem is, most people would be walking
> into the wrong room 50% of the time, if they're anything like me.

(Other sex chromosome combinations exist. Androgen insensitivity can
result in XY with completely female external appearance.)

> It's best to be more explicit (and less clever) in such cases.

Mnemonic device:
<https://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1985/12/29>

--
And I won't like [this usage] any better if you produce examples from
Shakespeare, Milton, Johnson ... Or, indeed, myself. --Mike Lyle

On 2024-02-06 13:17:24 +0000, Adam Funk said:

> On 2024-02-06, occam wrote:
>
>> On 05/02/2024 23:17, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> ...
>>> The traditional astronomical/astrological symbols for Venus and Mars
>>> (circle with cross below and circle with diagonal up arrow)
>>> have been widely taken over as male/female symbols,
>>> in all of 'western' culture,
>>
>> Yes, I'd recognise the circle (with a cross / arrow) as male/female
>> symbols. But I doubt if many people - outside of astrology charts -
>> would attribute them as symbols for 'Venus' and 'Mars'. (The
>> intermediate step has been lost except to star-sign columns.)
>>
>> I came across another interesting 'universal' symbol of male/female
>> toilets. 'XX' and 'XY'. The problem is, most people would be walking
>> into the wrong room 50% of the time, if they're anything like me.
>
> (Other sex chromosome combinations exist. Androgen insensitivity can
> result in XY with completely female external appearance.)

Yes. See the pictures at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_androgen_insensitivity_syndrome

I read once that certain beautiful actresses had complete androgen
insensitivity but I haven't seen any recent statement to that effect.
>
>
>> It's best to be more explicit (and less clever) in such cases.
>
> Mnemonic device:
> <https://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1985/12/29>

--
Athel cb

In article <l2eodrFp9jgU1@mid.individual.net>,
Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 2024-02-06 10:49:37 +0000, occam said:

> > On 05/02/2024 23:17, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >> occam <occam@erewhon.nix> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 05/02/2024 17:26, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> >>>> On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 5:30:35?AM UTC-7, occam wrote:
> >>>>> Here's an unusual 'Male/Female' toilet sign. It should appeal to the
> >>>>> bird lovers in AUE.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There was a thread while ago discussing the symbolism of toilet signs in
> >>>>> different cultures.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/9jieh8djrjs10lr54scwx/Toilet-sign.jpg?rlkey
> >> =5loulys3ydnlcvkcmcp4zcxqo&dl=0>
> >>>>
> >>>> Cute.
> >>>>
> >>>> I suppose somebody somewhere has used a rooster and a cat.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> You mean 'cock' and 'pussy'. Note, these mental images which only
> >>> make sense in English. Just as images of 'Venus' and 'Mars' only make
> >>> sense in astronomy department toilets.
> >>
> >> ???
> >> The traditional astronomical/astrological symbols for Venus and Mars
> >> (circle with cross below and circle with diagonal up arrow)
> >> have been widely taken over as male/female symbols,
> >> in all of 'western' culture,
> >
> > Yes, I'd recognise the circle (with a cross / arrow) as male/female
> > symbols. But I doubt if many people - outside of astrology charts -
> > would attribute them as symbols for 'Venus' and 'Mars'. (The
> > intermediate step has been lost except to star-sign columns.)
> >
> > I came across another interesting 'universal' symbol of male/female
> > toilets. 'XX' and 'XY'. The problem is, most people would be walking
> > into the wrong room 50% of the time, if they're anything like me.

> When I was in Israel in 1962 I saw that they used 00 and 000 as
> symbols. I suppose at the time I learned which was which. More recent
> visits to Israel suggest that this system is no longer used.
> >
> > It's best to be more explicit (and less clever) in such cases.

There was the Readers' Digest joke about the Americanin Germany looking
hard for the one that said "Hissern"; he'd seen the one marked "Herren".

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té²
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 3:37:55 AM UTC-7, occam wrote:
> On 05/02/2024 21:50, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> > On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 12:28:55 PM UTC-7, occam wrote:
> >> On 05/02/2024 17:26, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> >>> On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 5:30:35 AM UTC-7, occam wrote:
> >>>> Here's an unusual 'Male/Female' toilet sign. It should appeal to the
> >>>> bird lovers in AUE.
> >>>>
> >>>> There was a thread while ago discussing the symbolism of toilet signs in
> >>>> different cultures.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/9jieh8djrjs10lr54scwx/Toilet-sign.jpg?rlkey=5loulys3ydnlcvkcmcp4zcxqo&dl=0>
> >>>
> >>> Cute.
> >>>
> >>> I suppose somebody somewhere has used a rooster and a cat.
> >>>
> >> You mean 'cock' and 'pussy'.
> >
> > Well spotted. I didn't want to be taken figuratively.
> >
> >> Note, these mental images which only make
> >> sense in English.
> >
> > A couple of gray cells are connecting... I'm searching... here it is, a note
> > by Dudley Fitts on his translation of Aristophanes' /The Birds/:
> >
> > "26: Bird of Araby: This is the Cock, the Persian Bird, here called Mêdos
> > 'the Median'. (The phallic pun is the same in Greek as in English.)"
> >
> > You'd know whether the pun still works in modern Greek.
>
> Yes, it does. 'κοκοράs' (cockerel) is a modern euphemism. 'γάτα' (cat)
> on the other hand is not.
....

Good to know some traditions are kept up.

--
Jerry Friedman

On 2024-02-06, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:

> On 2024-02-06 13:17:24 +0000, Adam Funk said:
>
>> On 2024-02-06, occam wrote:
>>
>>> On 05/02/2024 23:17, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>> ...
>>>> The traditional astronomical/astrological symbols for Venus and Mars
>>>> (circle with cross below and circle with diagonal up arrow)
>>>> have been widely taken over as male/female symbols,
>>>> in all of 'western' culture,
>>>
>>> Yes, I'd recognise the circle (with a cross / arrow) as male/female
>>> symbols. But I doubt if many people - outside of astrology charts -
>>> would attribute them as symbols for 'Venus' and 'Mars'. (The
>>> intermediate step has been lost except to star-sign columns.)
>>>
>>> I came across another interesting 'universal' symbol of male/female
>>> toilets. 'XX' and 'XY'. The problem is, most people would be walking
>>> into the wrong room 50% of the time, if they're anything like me.
>>
>> (Other sex chromosome combinations exist. Androgen insensitivity can
>> result in XY with completely female external appearance.)
>
> Yes. See the pictures at
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_androgen_insensitivity_syndrome
>
> I read once that certain beautiful actresses had complete androgen
> insensitivity but I haven't seen any recent statement to that effect.

That article lists a few people but I hadn't heard of them.

--
We got music in our solar system
We're space truckin' round the stars

On 2024-02-06 03:33, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 06/02/24 19:24, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
>> Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>
>>>>> True. I'm looking forward to the day where there's only one
>>>>> kind of toilet rooms.
>>>>
>>>> That's rarely an issue for men.  Women, however, often object to
>>>> unisex bathrooms.  With cause.
>>>
>>> France has had unisex toilet facilities forever. Nobody cares.
>>
>> Is there often pee on the floor?
>>
>> In the bridge club in my previous town there were two gendered
>> toilets. At the one for men it took maybe only an hour beforere there
>> was pee on the floor. It didn't help that there was a humourous
>> poster recommendingthe proper behaviour. One line said:
>>
>> Please stand a little closer. It is not as long as you think.
>
> A similar sign that I've seen says "Our aim is to keep this place clean.
> Your aim will help."

One I saw said:

We aim to please.
You aim too, please.

> The best solution for this problem that I've encountered is at Schiphol
> airport. Each urinal has a picture of a fly on it. This has, I'm told,
> improved everyone's aim enormously.
>

--
A rolling stone gathers momentum.

On 05/02/2024 19:38, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Feb 2024 18:33:38 +0100, Bertel Lund Hansen
> <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
>
>> Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>
>>>>> Here's an unusual 'Male/Female' toilet sign. It should appeal to the
>>>>> bird lovers in AUE.
>>>>
>>>> Very nice. You write "Male/Female", but the signs are actually
>>>> completely general. They refer only to physiscal equipment.
>>>
>>> Well, you have me confused. I mean, it's American, but I believe they use
>>> the word pecker to mean willy. What men have. The other one is what women
>>> have.
>>>
>>> Or have I been whooshed?
>>
>> I don't know. I just meant that in these days where some people do not
>> want to be called "man" or "woman", they would like a sign that doesn't
>> use those words.
>
> The signs are there to direct the person the appropriate toilet. I
> doubt, when needing to go to the toilet, they will stop to object to
> being gendered.

Allow me to make the introductions, "Tony trans-delusions,
trans delusions Tony".
Not only do they stop to whinge that they are not allowed (sometimes) to
conform to their delusions, there are also such things as men's
bathrooms/toilets/restrooms with tampon dispensers.

On 05/02/2024 22:31, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> Tony Cooper wrote:
>
>>> I don't know. I just meant that in these days where some people do not
>>> want to be called "man" or "woman", they would like a sign that doesn't
>>> use those words.
>>
>> The signs are there to direct the person the appropriate toilet. I
>> doubt, when needing to go to the toilet, they will stop to object to
>> being gendered.
>
> True. I'm looking forward to the day where there's only one kind of
> toilet rooms.

So everybody has to wait for a stall, even men who only want to urinate?
Not very time effective is it?
Or are you advocating men urinate in front of grown women (I had to
urinate once in front of a four(?) year old girl (her dad had brought
her into the gents)V V V cringeworthy.

On 06/02/2024 08:03, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> El Mon, 05 Feb 2024 19:46:07 -0500, Tony Cooper escribió:
>
>> On Mon, 5 Feb 2024 23:31:22 +0100, Bertel Lund Hansen
>> <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
>>
>>> Tony Cooper wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I don't know. I just meant that in these days where some people do not
>>>>> want to be called "man" or "woman", they would like a sign that
>>>>> doesn't use those words.
>>>>
>>>> The signs are there to direct the person the appropriate toilet. I
>>>> doubt, when needing to go to the toilet, they will stop to object to
>>>> being gendered.
>>>
>>> True. I'm looking forward to the day where there's only one kind of
>>> toilet rooms.
>>
>> That's rarely an issue for men. Women, however, often object to unisex
>> bathrooms. With cause.
>
>
> France has had unisex toilet facilities forever. Nobody cares.
>
France also has 'pissoirs' in the street.
I wouldn't use France as an exemplar of good toileting.

On 06-Feb-24 10:49, occam wrote:
> On 05/02/2024 23:17, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>> occam <occam@erewhon.nix> wrote:
>>
>>> On 05/02/2024 17:26, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>>>> On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 5:30:35?AM UTC-7, occam wrote:
>>>>> Here's an unusual 'Male/Female' toilet sign. It should appeal to the
>>>>> bird lovers in AUE.
>>>>>
>>>>> There was a thread while ago discussing the symbolism of toilet signs in
>>>>> different cultures.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/9jieh8djrjs10lr54scwx/Toilet-sign.jpg?rlkey
>> =5loulys3ydnlcvkcmcp4zcxqo&dl=0>
>>>>
>>>> Cute.
>>>>
>>>> I suppose somebody somewhere has used a rooster and a cat.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You mean 'cock' and 'pussy'. Note, these mental images which only make
>>> sense in English. Just as images of 'Venus' and 'Mars' only make sense
>>> in astronomy department toilets.
>>
>> ???
>> The traditional astronomical/astrological symbols for Venus and Mars
>> (circle with cross below and circle with diagonal up arrow)
>> have been widely taken over as male/female symbols,
>> in all of 'western' culture,
>
> Yes, I'd recognise the circle (with a cross / arrow) as male/female
> symbols. But I doubt if many people - outside of astrology charts -
> would attribute them as symbols for 'Venus' and 'Mars'. (The
> intermediate step has been lost except to star-sign columns.)
>
> I came across another interesting 'universal' symbol of male/female
> toilets. 'XX' and 'XY'. The problem is, most people would be walking
> into the wrong room 50% of the time, if they're anything like me.
>
> It's best to be more explicit (and less clever) in such cases.

Something I haven't seen for quite some time is the "Gents" sign which
showed a silhouette of a man in full evening dress with a top hat and
cane. I can't recall the "Ladies" sign, but I suspect it involved both
bonnet and bustle.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 2024-02-06 06:48, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2024-02-06 09:33:52 +0000, Peter Moylan said:
>
>> On 06/02/24 19:24, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
>>> Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> True. I'm looking forward to the day where there's only one
>>>>>> kind of toilet rooms.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's rarely an issue for men.  Women, however, often object to
>>>>> unisex bathrooms.  With cause.
>>>>
>>>> France has had unisex toilet facilities forever. Nobody cares.
>>>
>>> Is there often pee on the floor?
>>>
>>> In the bridge club in my previous town there were two gendered
>>> toilets. At the one for men it took maybe only an hour beforere there
>>> was pee on the floor. It didn't help that there was a humourous
>>> poster recommendingthe proper behaviour. One line said:
>>>
>>> Please stand a little closer. It is not as long as you think.
>>
>> A similar sign that I've seen says "Our aim is to keep this place clean.
>> Your aim will help."
>>
>> The best solution for this problem that I've encountered is at Schiphol
>> airport. Each urinal has a picture of a fly on it. This has, I'm told,
>> improved everyone's aim enormously.
>
> Yes. I've seen those in various places. I think they're German in
> origin. It's a very realistic-looking fly.
>
> Something that I was very struck by when we were first in France was
> that there was almost no graffiti in French toilets, and when I did see
> one it was usually in English and dealt with such subjects as the sizes
> of the penises of supporters of Manchester United. I think that's
> probably still true, but now I don't often visut public toilets. I'm not
> sure how to explain it, but maybe it has to do with a lack embarrassment
> about natural functions.

Not quite graffiti, but found in a public toilet:

<https://www.flickr.com/photos/62449798@N03/53513486498/in/dateposted-public/>

--
What if there were no hypothetical questions?

Peter Moylan wrote:

> The best solution for this problem that I've encountered is at Schiphol
> airport. Each urinal has a picture of a fly on it. This has, I'm told,
> improved everyone's aim enormously.

I've read the same.

--
Bertel, Denmark

Hibou wrote:

>> A similar sign that I've seen says "Our aim is to keep this place clean.
>> Your aim will help." [...]
>
> I've seen a variant of that one: "We aim to please. You aim too, please."

Very nice, but aiming won't solve the problem. I think that it's more
than ten years ago that I began to sit down to pee. No matter how well I
aim, I can't guarantee that I don't pee on the floor if I stand up.

--
Bertel, Denmark

Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:

> Something that I was very struck by when we were first in France was
> that there was almost no graffiti in French toilets, and when I did see
> one it was usually in English and dealt with such subjects as the sizes
> of the penises of supporters of Manchester United. I think that's
> probably still true, but now I don't often visut public toilets. I'm
> not sure how to explain it, but maybe it has to do with a lack
> embarrassment about natural functions.

I helped to start and run a music club in my previous town. There soon
was graffiti all over the walls on the toilet. The subjects were totally
varied.

Here everything can happen.

(someone added under it)

I'm still waiting for Marilyn Monroe.

--
Bertel, Denmark

On 2024-02-06 06:06, Adam Funk wrote:
> On 2024-02-05, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
>
>> Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>
>>>>> I suppose somebody somewhere has used a rooster and a cat.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You mean 'cock' and 'pussy'.
>>>
>>> "Chatte" would be OK in French, but not "coq".
>>
>> They wouldn't perhaps get the penis meaning, but surely the male one?
>
> I think "le chat" & "la chatte" both work, but maybe the
> (grammatically) feminine one is more common now. The penis words are
> mostly feminine: la bitte, la queue, la verge.
>
> So I don't think "male chicken" would get the meaning across except as
> Frenglish.

See this page for a LOT of interesting ones:

https://spotlightstories.co/65-amusing-bathroom-signs/?

Rooster and cat are #11.

My favourites: 39, 43, 57

--
my haiku rocks
it has four, eleven, and five syllables
that's right, isn't it?

soup wrote:

>> True. I'm looking forward to the day where there's only one kind of
>> toilet rooms.
>
> So everybody has to wait for a stall, even men who only want to urinate?
> Not very time effective is it?

How do women manage? Not very well I'm told.

The problem could be handled by screening off the pissoir part. It's not
rocket science.

--
Bertel, Denmark

On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 20:27:39 +0000, soup <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:

>On 05/02/2024 19:38, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> On Mon, 5 Feb 2024 18:33:38 +0100, Bertel Lund Hansen
>> <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
>>
>>> Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Here's an unusual 'Male/Female' toilet sign. It should appeal to the
>>>>>> bird lovers in AUE.
>>>>>
>>>>> Very nice. You write "Male/Female", but the signs are actually
>>>>> completely general. They refer only to physiscal equipment.
>>>>
>>>> Well, you have me confused. I mean, it's American, but I believe they use
>>>> the word pecker to mean willy. What men have. The other one is what women
>>>> have.
>>>>
>>>> Or have I been whooshed?
>>>
>>> I don't know. I just meant that in these days where some people do not
>>> want to be called "man" or "woman", they would like a sign that doesn't
>>> use those words.
>>
>> The signs are there to direct the person the appropriate toilet. I
>> doubt, when needing to go to the toilet, they will stop to object to
>> being gendered.
>
>Allow me to make the introductions, "Tony trans-delusions,
> trans delusions Tony".
>Not only do they stop to whinge that they are not allowed (sometimes) to
>conform to their delusions, there are also such things as men's
>bathrooms/toilets/restrooms with tampon dispensers.

I doubt that. They may object, but not at the time, or - at least -
whilst still on the move.

Needs trump principle.

On 2024-02-06 06:12, Adam Funk wrote:
> On 2024-02-05, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
>
>> occam wrote:
>>
>>> You mean 'cock' and 'pussy'. Note, these mental images which only make
>>> sense in English. Just as images of 'Venus' and 'Mars' only make sense
>>> in astronomy department toilets.
>>
>> ... and to people who know the most basic about ancient Roman or Greek
>> religion.
>>
>>> I wonder if there are any universal symbols understood by everyone, by
>>> which I mean everyone on Earth.
>>
>> A simple drawing of persons with with genitals would do the trick.
>
> People complained about the nekkid humans on the Pioneer Plaque. Some
> people also complained about the prudish lack of vulva on it.

I remember reading something, probably a short story, that had some
aliens finding the Pioneer Plaque and taking umbrage at just about
everything on it, and angering them enough to plan an invasion of Earth.

Anyone know who wrote it?

--
All roght, whi swotched my keytips ariund?

Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

> On 06-Feb-24 10:49, occam wrote:
> > On 05/02/2024 23:17, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >> occam <occam@erewhon.nix> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 05/02/2024 17:26, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> >>>> On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 5:30:35?AM UTC-7, occam wrote:
> >>>>> Here's an unusual 'Male/Female' toilet sign. It should appeal to the
> >>>>> bird lovers in AUE.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There was a thread while ago discussing the symbolism of toilet signs in
> >>>>> different cultures.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/9jieh8djrjs10lr54scwx/Toilet-sign.jpg?rl
key
> >> =5loulys3ydnlcvkcmcp4zcxqo&dl=0>
> >>>>
> >>>> Cute.
> >>>>
> >>>> I suppose somebody somewhere has used a rooster and a cat.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> You mean 'cock' and 'pussy'. Note, these mental images which only make
> >>> sense in English. Just as images of 'Venus' and 'Mars' only make sense
> >>> in astronomy department toilets.
> >>
> >> ???
> >> The traditional astronomical/astrological symbols for Venus and Mars
> >> (circle with cross below and circle with diagonal up arrow)
> >> have been widely taken over as male/female symbols,
> >> in all of 'western' culture,
> >
> > Yes, I'd recognise the circle (with a cross / arrow) as male/female
> > symbols. But I doubt if many people - outside of astrology charts -
> > would attribute them as symbols for 'Venus' and 'Mars'. (The
> > intermediate step has been lost except to star-sign columns.)
> >
> > I came across another interesting 'universal' symbol of male/female
> > toilets. 'XX' and 'XY'. The problem is, most people would be walking
> > into the wrong room 50% of the time, if they're anything like me.
> >
> > It's best to be more explicit (and less clever) in such cases.
>
> Something I haven't seen for quite some time is the "Gents" sign which
> showed a silhouette of a man in full evening dress with a top hat and
> cane. I can't recall the "Ladies" sign, but I suspect it involved both
> bonnet and bustle.

A full length strapless evening gown,

Jan
(IIRC)

On 2024-02-06 15:05, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> Hibou wrote:
>
>>> A similar sign that I've seen says "Our aim is to keep this place clean.
>>> Your aim will help." [...]
>>
>> I've seen a variant of that one: "We aim to please. You aim too, please."
>
> Very nice, but aiming won't solve the problem. I think that it's more
> than ten years ago that I began to sit down to pee. No matter how well I
> aim, I can't guarantee that I don't pee on the floor if I stand up.

No matter how much you wiggle and dance,
the last drop always ends up in your pants.

Two fellows standing at adjoining urinals.
One says, "Wow, I see you're holding it with all your fingers."
The other replies, "Yes, but so are you."
The first says, "Sure, but I'm pissing on two of them."

--
Yeah, Windows is great... I used it to download Linux.

lar3ryca wrote:

> No matter how much you wiggle and dance,
> the last drop always ends up in your pants.

I used to use a piece of toilet paper to prevent that. Nowadays I use
panty liners due to a prostate operation.

Is "panty liners" the correct word? The pictures on the net all show
women types.

--
Bertel, Denmark

* occam <l2eaj2Fmru1U1 @mid.individual.net> :
Wrote on Tue, 6 Feb 2024 09:57:07 +0100:
> On 06/02/2024 09:03, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>> France has had unisex toilet facilities forever. Nobody cares.

> Oh? Have you seen any French women take a leak in a "pissoir"? (They
> do

The point is you can't see them

%
In France they piss on Main Street. (In pissoirs, Mama, not cheap display).
-- Joni Mitchell

> still exist you know. We even have an experimental one in
> Luxembourg. )
>
> <https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/11x1dcd5zr8c8mg7trd93/Pissoir-Luxembourg-Gare.jpg?rlkey=19p2f601etg0ji29aaok75ks2&dl=0>

On 07/02/24 08:40, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 20:27:39 +0000, soup <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:

>> Allow me to make the introductions, "Tony trans-delusions,
>> trans delusions Tony".
>> Not only do they stop to whinge that they are not allowed (sometimes) to
>> conform to their delusions, there are also such things as men's
>> bathrooms/toilets/restrooms with tampon dispensers.
>
> I doubt that. They may object, but not at the time, or - at least -
> whilst still on the move.
>
> Needs trump principle.

I initially read that as "Trump needs principles".

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

On 06/02/24 23:08, Adam Funk wrote:
> On 2024-02-05, J. J. Lodder wrote:

>> The traditional astronomical/astrological symbols for Venus and Mars
>> (circle with cross below and circle with diagonal up arrow)
>> have been widely taken over as male/female symbols,
>> in all of 'western' culture,
>
> I agree: I think a lot more people know what they mean as
> toilet/gender symbols than in astronomy, astrology, or alchemy.

The book "Women are from bras, men are from penis" clarified it for a
lot of people.

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Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

On 07/02/24 08:05, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> Hibou wrote:
>
>>> A similar sign that I've seen says "Our aim is to keep this place
>>> clean. Your aim will help." [...]
>>
>> I've seen a variant of that one: "We aim to please. You aim too,
>> please."
>
> Very nice, but aiming won't solve the problem. I think that it's
> more than ten years ago that I began to sit down to pee. No matter
> how well I aim, I can't guarantee that I don't pee on the floor if I
> stand up.

An accident that I have now and then is where the urine goes under the
seat and over the edge of the bowl, ending up on the floor. Many toilet
bowl designers seem to be ignorant of a basic fact: women squirt
downwards, but men squirt forward.

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Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW