cshenk wrote:
....heating with wood...
> Yup, assume you are well off grid in a very woody area. Others will
> try to pretend you can use others means but are clueless really on the
> costs.

as you get older you may reach a point where a propane
tank works much better (and is also much cleaner and safer).

songbird

Snag wrote:
> On 3/26/2024 7:33 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
>> BryanGSimmons wrote:
>>> On 3/24/2024 8:39 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>> Mike Duffy wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-03-24, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Snag wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not exactly a "cabin" though . 1500 sf with vaulted
>>>>>>> ceiling in the dining room/kitchen and a storm/storage
>>>>>>> cellar under the dining room/kitchen.
>>>>>
>>>>>> It is a cabin by royal standards.
>>>>>
>>>>> If it has a 'A'-shaped roof I think it's a 'chalet'.
>>>>>
>>>>> I used to think no cellar meant a 'cottage', but
>>>>> Ed explained that's means it's a goat barn.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I like goat barns. Less work climbing up stairs, so they're great for
>>>> old people.
>>>  >
>>> Goat barns suck in tornadoes, though they're no where near as bad as
>>> trailers.  My oldest brother sold "mobile homes" for years.  He didn't
>>> like it when folks called them trailers.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> *ANYTHING* sucks in a tornado except a concrete underground shelter.
>>
>>
>
> Or rebar reinforced block walls .

we have a nice central stone fireplace and the utility room
next to it which will be the safest place we can get to easily.
as the house is also hexagon shaped makes it pretty sturdy in
storms. the small tornado that went by us some years ago did
no damage to our place at all, but it did tear up the neighbor's
places. i was here at the time and didn't even know we had a
tornado go by until i looked out the window and noticed the
neighbor's garage missing and then a moment later the power
went out.

songbird

cshenk wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
....
>> Don't mind Carol. :) I doubt she's ever had dry rubbed smoked
>> Memphis style "BBQ", brisket or otherwise. It's definitely not
>> something that can be cooked in a crockpot.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Lol! I've had it plenty of times but don't have the gear to replicate
> it at home.

i've had it too, it's not like people don't travel...

it makes wonderful pizza.

songbird (with bbq sauce...

Snag wrote:
....heating with wood...
> We're not exactly off grid , since we do have power , water , and
> telephone/internet . We are in a heavily wooded area which makes it a
> natural to heat with wood . We also have a 250 gallon propane tank and
> could use that for heat if I wanted to install a furnace . But propane
> costs money , firewood costs a little for fuel and supplies , but it's
> mostly labor . Which is OK , I need the exercise .

i also need the exercise but heating with wood doesn't
work for us. both of us have no tolerance for smoke of
any quantity, plus i really should not mess around with
chainsaws and axes. so i limit my exercise to the gardens
and shovelling snow and hiking once in a while if i can
actually get away.

i do use a pair of loppers and a limbing saw to cut
some small stuff down but generally i have to leave the
big trees to the people with the right equipment.

most trees here i'm willing to let live and die in
their own way. i think that leaving some standing dead
wood is worth it because it does provide food and homes
for various other creatures.

songbird

Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 20:24:40 +0000, "cshenk"
><cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
>>Snag wrote:
>>> On 3/23/2024 3:43 PM, Ed P wrote:
>>
>>> > Your message brightened my day.  I'm going to call the widow of my
>>> > friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well. 
>>> > He caught it at work.  I bet she was over reacting but you put in
>>> > into perspective for us.
>>>
>>> What other conditions did your friend have ? Did he die in a
>>> hospital ?
>>
>>Josh didn't have any. Don and I were watching his dog, Prince when he
>>was at work. Then one day he didn't pickup hime so we called and he
>>said he was really sick and might go to the hospital and asked us to
>>keep him. Josh never made it home. he was about 34-35, no
>>preconditions, healthy and a cycler plus ran marathons locally. He
>>died just as vaccines came out, too late for him.
>
> What's Snag going to make of this? Maybe "they" got to the guy.

unfortunately we also had several younger (the age ranged
from mid 30s to 50s) friends that also died from the virus. no
preconditions either for them. the saddest part is that some
of them were health care folks who were on the front line trying
to help people but they had no treatments at first and were
having to try to learn it as they went.

songbird

Snag wrote:

> On 3/26/2024 11:16 AM, cshenk wrote:
> > Snag wrote:
> >
> > > On 3/25/2024 5:54 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> > > > On 3/25/2024 1:26 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > > > > jmcquown wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 3/24/2024 4:39 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > > > > > > Snag wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I put a 10 pound pork butt on the smoker last night . My
> > > > > > > > wife is going to make some of her fantastic potato salad
> > > > > > > > and I'll doctor up some canned baked beans .
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I adore these but use a crockpot.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You've got a crock pot that will hold a 10 pound pork butt?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jill
> > > > >
> > > > > So do I.  Large oval.  Looks like this one.
> > > > >
> > > > >
<https://www.amazon.com/Hamilton-Beach-33195-Extra-Large-Capacity/dp
> > > /B07DKXNW2M/>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > That's what I use when I make pulled port butts,  I'm pretty
> > > > > sure an eight QT unit would work too with a smaller butt.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I think you missed the point.  Snag is talking a 10 lb. pork
> > > > butt. Rubbed with dry seasonings and smoked.  Even if you
> > > > could truly fit a 10 lb. pork butt into a 10 quart crockpot it
> > > > would not be anything like what he's talking about.
> > > >
> > > > Jill
> >
> > Hi Snag, note I was NOT talking a dry rub smoked deal. All I said
> > was I use a crockpot to make oulled pork. The generic term 'pulled
> > pork' doesn't indicate method of cooking. Since I specifically
> > said 'using a crockpot' it obviously was not the same dish. I did
> > not compare the dishes.
> >
> > >
> >> "If you have to ask , you wouldn't understand ." Carol , you're
> > > comparing mushrooms with truffles ... You toss that butt into the
> > > crockpot and walk away . I lit the fire at 8:00 , put the butt on
> > > at around 8:45 . I was up until almost midnight getting the temp
> > > stabilized - my smoker is getting old and leaky - and finicky .
> > > Up at 3:00 to check temps and adjust a bit , it was down to about
> > > 180°F . Up as usual at 6:15 to put the coffee on and walk the
> > > dog - check temps again and add some more (lump hardwood)
> > > charcoal . A couple or 3 more checks during the day while I'm
> > > machining parts for a milling machine upgrade . I shut all vents
> > > on the smoker around 4:30 to let it cool slowly . Now , is that
> > > slow-cooker butt worth this kind of effort ? IMO , if it wasn't
> > > worth the effort , my wife would be cooking these butts in the
> > > crock pot . YMMV
> >
> > I've smoked them in the past when I had a nice smoker but it didn't
> > last from 1996 to now. Jill likes to 'add' to things that the
> > person didn't say. Try to not get caught up in it. Shr didn't ask
> > what size my actual crockpot is. I only 'looks like this one'
> > which shows the color and dial. Mine is a 12 qt. With no trimming
> > though a 10qt might fit a 8lb butt. Trimmed, (aka be boned and cut
> > ends off then put those to the sides, probably manage to get a 10lb
> > butt in there. We don't need that much meat.
> >
> I see your point about comparisons ... and we don't need that much
> meat all at once , I portion and freeze it for later . 10 ounces make
> 2 very nice sandwiches .

Agreed. Did you turn you dry rub smoked one into pulled pork? There's
several options abd I don't see where you pulled it.

Yes, normally I split it with my friend Maria who makes all sorts of
delicious Mexican recipes with it from Carnitas on. A crockpot, as you
probably know, works a bit like a steamer and a braiser. A pork butt
comes out tender and moist as can be after 8-12hours.

Somepeople start the crockpot with a fair liquid base but it's not
needed and actually comes out worse than if you just let it develop
it's own liquid. So 'technically' it can start as a 'dry rub' but of
course that would be silly as it won't stay that way. I do add a few
splashes of vinegar *brown cane vinegar is optimal IMHO for it's
delicate sweetness). Some get a splash of worstershire sauce.
Sometimes some soy sauce. The amounts of these are too small to leave
anything but a faint imprint. The main flavoring comes after it's
cooked.

An 8lb butt yields about 6lbs of meat. Maria gets 1/2 (sometimes she
buys, others I do but works out pretty even). Even frozen you don't
want it around forever!

Anyways, that's my simple rendition. I'd like the details of your dry
rub just to drool over?

On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 13:55:49 -0400, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 20:24:40 +0000, "cshenk"
>><cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
>>>Snag wrote:
>>>> On 3/23/2024 3:43 PM, Ed P wrote:
>>>
>>>> > Your message brightened my day.  I'm going to call the widow of my
>>>> > friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well. 
>>>> > He caught it at work.  I bet she was over reacting but you put in
>>>> > into perspective for us.
>>>>
>>>> What other conditions did your friend have ? Did he die in a
>>>> hospital ?
>>>
>>>Josh didn't have any. Don and I were watching his dog, Prince when he
>>>was at work. Then one day he didn't pickup hime so we called and he
>>>said he was really sick and might go to the hospital and asked us to
>>>keep him. Josh never made it home. he was about 34-35, no
>>>preconditions, healthy and a cycler plus ran marathons locally. He
>>>died just as vaccines came out, too late for him.
>>
>> What's Snag going to make of this? Maybe "they" got to the guy.
>
> unfortunately we also had several younger (the age ranged
>from mid 30s to 50s) friends that also died from the virus. no
>preconditions either for them. the saddest part is that some
>of them were health care folks who were on the front line trying
>to help people but they had no treatments at first and were
>having to try to learn it as they went.

Considering facts like this, it's weird how people can still be in
denial. And why always right wingers?

songbird wrote:

> cshenk wrote:
> ...heating with wood...
> > Yup, assume you are well off grid in a very woody area. Others will
> > try to pretend you can use others means but are clueless really on
> > the costs.
>
> as you get older you may reach a point where a propane
> tank works much better (and is also much cleaner and safer).
>
>
> songbird

Not for me. Fireplace is just a nice adjunct and lets me fireplace
cook sometimes!

On 3/27/2024 1:48 PM, songbird wrote:
> cshenk wrote:
> ...heating with wood...
>> Yup, assume you are well off grid in a very woody area. Others will
>> try to pretend you can use others means but are clueless really on the
>> costs.
>
> as you get older you may reach a point where a propane
> tank works much better (and is also much cleaner and safer).
>
>
> songbird

We moved to CT in 1981 and replaced the original Franklin stove in the
family room with a more efficient Vermont Casting stove. Great
supplement to the oil heat.

Wood was cheap, sometimes free, the labor was good exercise. I was 35 at
the time. We sometimes cooked on the stove too. As time went on, I
found it easier to nudge the dial on the thermostat than to bring in
some wood. The last 10 - 12 years there, no fires at all.

Bruce wrote:

....younger people without pre-conditions also died from COVID...

> Considering facts like this, it's weird how people can still be in
> denial. And why always right wingers?

it is not always the right wingers as there are some
other anti-vaxxers who aren't particularly politically
engaged. they just want to be left alone (and i can't
really blame them, but today's world is a lot different
and isolation is not always possible).

songbird

On 3/27/2024 12:52 PM, songbird wrote:
> Snag wrote:
> ...heating with wood...
>> We're not exactly off grid , since we do have power , water , and
>> telephone/internet . We are in a heavily wooded area which makes it a
>> natural to heat with wood . We also have a 250 gallon propane tank and
>> could use that for heat if I wanted to install a furnace . But propane
>> costs money , firewood costs a little for fuel and supplies , but it's
>> mostly labor . Which is OK , I need the exercise .
>
> i also need the exercise but heating with wood doesn't
> work for us. both of us have no tolerance for smoke of
> any quantity, plus i really should not mess around with
> chainsaws and axes. so i limit my exercise to the gardens
> and shovelling snow and hiking once in a while if i can
> actually get away.
>

Max and I walk at least a mile every day . I currently have 4
chainsaws that run and parts for another one or two ... snow , if it's
enough to need moving gets pushed around with Rusty the Tractor .

> i do use a pair of loppers and a limbing saw to cut
> some small stuff down but generally i have to leave the
> big trees to the people with the right equipment.

I have the equipment ... it's not unusual to take down a tree 70 feet
tall and 18" at the base .

>
> most trees here i'm willing to let live and die in
> their own way. i think that leaving some standing dead
> wood is worth it because it does provide food and homes
> for various other creatures.
>
>
> songbird
>

I try to focus on dead/dying/diseased trees . Sometimes I'll take a
healthy one to thin and give the surrounding trees more sun . Proper
management can give me all the firewood I'll ever need and improve the
health of the woods in general .
I too leave a few dead trees standing around in the woods . We are
rewarded with frequent sightings of several types of woodpeckers .
--
Snag
"They may take our lives but
they'll never take our freedom."
William Wallace

On 3/27/2024 1:40 PM, cshenk wrote:

>
> Anyways, that's my simple rendition. I'd like the details of your dry
> rub just to drool over?
>

I posted the "recipe" somewhere in this thread .
--
Snag
"They may take our lives but
they'll never take our freedom."
William Wallace

On 3/27/2024 12:39 PM, songbird wrote:
> cshenk wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
> ...
>>> Don't mind Carol. :) I doubt she's ever had dry rubbed smoked
>>> Memphis style "BBQ", brisket or otherwise. It's definitely not
>>> something that can be cooked in a crockpot.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Lol! I've had it plenty of times but don't have the gear to replicate
>> it at home.
>
> i've had it too, it's not like people don't travel...
>
> it makes wonderful pizza.
>
>
> songbird (with bbq sauce...
>

Now I had not thought about pizza ! When I worked for Pizza Slut we
sold a BBQ pizza . Total crap IMO . But dry smoked pork is a totally
different critter . I'm going to have to try it with some of my smoked
butt !
--
Snag
"They may take our lives but
they'll never take our freedom."
William Wallace

On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 16:56:05 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

>On 3/27/2024 12:39 PM, songbird wrote:
>> cshenk wrote:
>>>
>>> Lol! I've had it plenty of times but don't have the gear to replicate
>>> it at home.
>>
>> i've had it too, it's not like people don't travel...
>>
>> it makes wonderful pizza.
>>
>> songbird (with bbq sauce...
>
> Now I had not thought about pizza ! When I worked for Pizza Slut we
>sold a BBQ pizza . Total crap IMO . But dry smoked pork is a totally
>different critter . I'm going to have to try it with some of my smoked
>butt !

Sounds painful.

Snag wrote:
songbird wrote:
....
>> it makes wonderful pizza.
>>
>>
>> songbird (with bbq sauce...
>>
>
> Now I had not thought about pizza ! When I worked for Pizza Slut we
> sold a BBQ pizza . Total crap IMO . But dry smoked pork is a totally
> different critter . I'm going to have to try it with some of my smoked
> butt !

the key is not using a tomato sauce on the crust but
using bbq sauce or some other light sauce or no sauce
at all.

i always like a lot of onions so those go really well
with the pork.

songbird

Snag wrote:

> On 3/27/2024 1:40 PM, cshenk wrote:
>
> >
> > Anyways, that's my simple rendition. I'd like the details of your
> > dry rub just to drool over?
> >
>
> I posted the "recipe" somewhere in this thread .

I caught it later, thanks!

songbird wrote:

> Snag wrote:
> songbird wrote:
> ...
> >> it makes wonderful pizza.
> >>
> >>
> >> songbird (with bbq sauce...
> >>
> >
> > Now I had not thought about pizza ! When I worked for Pizza Slut
> > we sold a BBQ pizza . Total crap IMO . But dry smoked pork is a
> > totally different critter . I'm going to have to try it with some
> > of my smoked butt !
>
> the key is not using a tomato sauce on the crust but
> using bbq sauce or some other light sauce or no sauce
> at all.
>
> i always like a lot of onions so those go really well
> with the pork.
>
>
> songbird

I think that would be good. Consider carmelized onions? Super easy in
a crockpot.

Best done in a crockpot. Cut up 4-5 onions. I like half moons by
cutting down from top to bottom then cut horizontally.

Add 1/2 stick butter to crockpot on keep warm' (can start on low and
reduce). Add onions broken up. Give a good stir 30 minutes in to
evenly coat onions. They freeze very well. We split it to sandwich
bags then added to a gallon ziplock. How long depends on you but I
like 5-6 hours.

Now use those on the 'BBQ' pizza!

On 3/27/2024 1:48 PM, songbird wrote:
> cshenk wrote:
> ...heating with wood...
>> Yup, assume you are well off grid in a very woody area. Others will
>> try to pretend you can use others means but are clueless really on the
>> costs.
>
> as you get older you may reach a point where a propane
> tank works much better (and is also much cleaner and safer).
>
>
> songbird

There is so much snippage in this thread I have to ask, propane for what?

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
> On 3/27/2024 1:48 PM, songbird wrote:
>> cshenk wrote:
>> ...heating with wood...
>>> Yup, assume you are well off grid in a very woody area. Others will
>>> try to pretend you can use others means but are clueless really on the
>>> costs.
>>
>> as you get older you may reach a point where a propane
>> tank works much better (and is also much cleaner and safer).
>>
>>
>> songbird
>
> There is so much snippage in this thread I have to ask, propane for what?

can you not read?

...heating with wood...

so in that context "works much better" => heating with
wood.

songbird

Snag wrote:

> On 3/24/2024 2:55 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Snag wrote:
> >
> > > On 3/23/2024 12:38 PM, D wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Mike Duffy wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 2024-03-23, D wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > So the amount of energy from the sun that hits us is about
> > > > > > 100x more than the energy content of the fossil fuel we
> > > > > > burn.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Would that have any effect at all on the climate?
> > > > >
> > > > > Your climate 'model' ignores that the sun does not put
> > > > > methane & carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, heat from tidal friction is about 10 * insolation,
> > > > > and heat from radionucleide decay about 10 * tidal friction.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > We were talking fossil fuel here, not climate models.
> > >
> > > No , we were talking about heating with wood . Which we do , with
> > > a propane backup for times we aren't home for a couple of days in
> > > winter . Jill is correct we live in a clearing out in the woods .
> > > Not exactly a "cabin" though . 1500 sf with vaulted ceiling in
> > > the dining room/kitchen and a storm/storage cellar under the
> > > dining room/kitchen .
> >
> > Yup, assume you are well off grid in a very woody area. Others will
> > try to pretend you can use others means but are clueless really on
> > the costs.
> >
>
> We're not exactly off grid , since we do have power , water , and
> telephone/internet . We are in a heavily wooded area which makes it a
> natural to heat with wood . We also have a 250 gallon propane tank
> and could use that for heat if I wanted to install a furnace . But
> propane costs money , firewood costs a little for fuel and supplies ,
> but it's mostly labor . Which is OK , I need the exercise .

Ah, my sister lives off grid. Woody area. She and her husband use
deadfall and occasionally thins the trees to create firebreaks. The
barn and house are solar. Small tributary river runs a water wheel.

On 3/28/2024 11:14 PM, songbird wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>> On 3/27/2024 1:48 PM, songbird wrote:
>>> cshenk wrote:
>>> ...heating with wood...
>>>> Yup, assume you are well off grid in a very woody area. Others will
>>>> try to pretend you can use others means but are clueless really on the
>>>> costs.
>>>
>>> as you get older you may reach a point where a propane
>>> tank works much better (and is also much cleaner and safer).
>>>
>>>
>>> songbird
>>
>> There is so much snippage in this thread I have to ask, propane for what?
>
> can you not read?
>
> ...heating with wood...
>
> so in that context "works much better" => heating with
> wood.
>
>
> songbird
>

That depends ... we use a wall mounted radiant propane heater for
when it's not cold enough for a fire and for when we're out of town
during freezing weather . It's either too warm or not warm enough and
the temps are not uniform in the main part of the house (it's basically
one big room living/dining/kitchen) . The wood stove maintains a uniform
temp except for the bedroom , which we like cool anyway .
--
Snag
"They may take our lives but
they'll never take our freedom."
William Wallace

On 3/29/2024 12:14 AM, songbird wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>> On 3/27/2024 1:48 PM, songbird wrote:
>>> cshenk wrote:
>>> ...heating with wood...
>>>> Yup, assume you are well off grid in a very woody area. Others will
>>>> try to pretend you can use others means but are clueless really on the
>>>> costs.
>>>
>>> as you get older you may reach a point where a propane
>>> tank works much better (and is also much cleaner and safer).
>>>
>>>
>>> songbird
>>
>> There is so much snippage in this thread I have to ask, propane for what?
>
> can you not read?
>
> ...heating with wood...
>
> so in that context "works much better" => heating with
> wood.
>
>
> songbird

Okay then. I've never used wood as a heating source and also never
heated a home with propane. I don't cook with propane, either.

Jill

Snag wrote:

> On 3/28/2024 11:14 PM, songbird wrote:
> > jmcquown wrote:
> > > On 3/27/2024 1:48 PM, songbird wrote:
> > > > cshenk wrote:
> > > > ...heating with wood...
> > > > > Yup, assume you are well off grid in a very woody area.
> > > > > Others will try to pretend you can use others means but are
> > > > > clueless really on the costs.
> > > >
> >>> as you get older you may reach a point where a propane
> > > > tank works much better (and is also much cleaner and safer).
> > > >
> > > >
> >>> songbird
> > >
> > > There is so much snippage in this thread I have to ask, propane
> > > for what?
> >
> > can you not read?
> >
> > ...heating with wood...
> >
> > so in that context "works much better" => heating with
> > wood.
> >
> >
> > songbird
> >
>
> That depends ... we use a wall mounted radiant propane heater for
> when it's not cold enough for a fire and for when we're out of town
> during freezing weather . It's either too warm or not warm enough and
> the temps are not uniform in the main part of the house (it's
> basically one big room living/dining/kitchen) . The wood stove
> maintains a uniform temp except for the bedroom , which we like cool
> anyway .

Sounds cozy! Friend of mine, Charlie Wright has a whole house wood
heater. Friends supply wood and the 2 roomates forage for more as the
go about the day. He's got all the splitting gear there.

Charlie is quite a hoot! We found out about him as he was headed to
his 8th year with no heat. Disabled, no regular work. Stove pipe went
bad. He'd no usable electricity (just a cable from a generous
neighbor). Cooked on propane. ND folks banded together and helped
out. He's comming up on 62 now soon so will get social security.

On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 16:42:14 +0000, "cshenk"
<cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

>Snag wrote:
>
>> On 3/28/2024 11:14 PM, songbird wrote:
>> > jmcquown wrote:
>> > > On 3/27/2024 1:48 PM, songbird wrote:
>> > > > cshenk wrote:
>> > > > ...heating with wood...
>> > > > > Yup, assume you are well off grid in a very woody area.
>> > > > > Others will try to pretend you can use others means but are
>> > > > > clueless really on the costs.
>> > > >
>> >>> as you get older you may reach a point where a propane
>> > > > tank works much better (and is also much cleaner and safer).
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> >>> songbird
>> > >
>> > > There is so much snippage in this thread I have to ask, propane
>> > > for what?
>> >
>> > can you not read?
>> >
>> > ...heating with wood...
>> >
>> > so in that context "works much better" => heating with
>> > wood.
>> >
>> >
>> > songbird
>> >
>>
>> That depends ... we use a wall mounted radiant propane heater for
>> when it's not cold enough for a fire and for when we're out of town
>> during freezing weather . It's either too warm or not warm enough and
>> the temps are not uniform in the main part of the house (it's
>> basically one big room living/dining/kitchen) . The wood stove
>> maintains a uniform temp except for the bedroom , which we like cool
>> anyway .
>
>Sounds cozy! Friend of mine, Charlie Wright has a whole house wood
>heater.

So his name should be Charlie Wrong.