On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 11:23:15 -0400
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> On 2024-04-18 10:48 a.m., Graham wrote:
> > On 2024-04-18 6:34 a.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>
> >> That's how I used to do it - until a friend who ran a B&B in
> >> Tasmania, introduced me to the oven method.
> >
> > My son hates the way the smell of frying bacon permeates the whole
> > house. So he cooks it in a pan on the BBQ.
>
>
> How unfortunate for him. For many people, myself included, that is
> one of the great things about bacon.
>

The poor man-child snowflake, eh?

Mike Duffy wrote:

> The only place I use PP is in my air fryer. An almost perfect
> kitchen accessory is like an oversized cupcake paper that fits
> the basket bottom. If you don't know what that means, think about
> a huge 'Reeses' PB cup wrapper.

> The only problem with it is that after some time, the edges fall
> inwards and you end up with a central cavity that resembles a
> swastika. I'm not sure who I should complain to.
>
>
Amazon sells air fryer parchment paper liners if you want something
that would fit it exactly.

Graham wrote:

> I have silicone sheets for baking but for some things, e.g. macarons,
> I use flat sheets of parchment that I get from Lakeland when I visit
> England.
>
>
My grocery store sells those precut sheets, a bit expensive. But I'm
sure you'd be able to find them there in cookware stores or even online,
once again Amazon.

Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 10:37:06 +0100, S Viemeister
><firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
>>On 18/04/2024 02:29, Ed P wrote:
>>> A tip that actually works.
>>>
>>> Every couple of weeks I make a batch of blueberry pancakes and a tray of
>>> bacon to go with them.  I make the bacon in the oven and can fit about
>>> 10 pieces.
>>>
>>> I always line the tray with parchment paper.  Once cut, it always tries
>>> to roll back up, so, I fold the two sides and it helps,but not perfect.
>>> Then I saw a tip on line that you just crumple up the paper and then
>>> spread it out.
>>>
>>> I did just that and it works easier than my folding.
>>>
>>> Once cooked, I lay the bacon on a couple of paper towels and roll it up
>>> to keep in the fridge.  Take out two pieces when needed, nuke 30 seconds.
>>
>>I use a silicone tray liner when I cook bacon in the oven, It always
>>lies flat, and is re-usable.
>
> I think we have a winner.

compared to cooking bacon i'd rather just buy the packages
of pre-cooked crumbled bacon. it's there any time we want bacon
and it cooks to desired crispness in 15-30 seconds. the only
mess is the cup we cook it in and there's no waste grease at all
to discard (what little is the cup washes up).

no parchment paper, no foil, no trays, etc. just bacon.
one of the few things that modern times actually improved as far
as i'm concerned.

songbird

On 2024-04-18 12:18 p.m., ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
> Graham wrote:
>
>> I have silicone sheets for baking but for some things, e.g. macarons,
>> I use flat sheets of parchment that I get from Lakeland when I visit
>> England.
>>
>>
> My grocery store sells those precut sheets, a bit expensive.  But I'm
> sure you'd be able to find them there in cookware stores or even online,
> once again Amazon.

A few years ago my sister in law gave me a couple packages of precut
parchment paper. She had picked it up at the dollar store. It was a
pretty good deal, and even better because it was free to me.

On 2024-04-18 10:18 a.m., ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
> Graham wrote:
>
>> I have silicone sheets for baking but for some things, e.g. macarons,
>> I use flat sheets of parchment that I get from Lakeland when I visit
>> England.
>>
>>
> My grocery store sells those precut sheets, a bit expensive.  But I'm
> sure you'd be able to find them there in cookware stores or even online,
> once again Amazon.
But they might roll them for shipping.

On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 08:48:45 -0600, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

>On 2024-04-18 6:34 a.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 18/04/2024 12:29, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I use a silicone tray liner when I cook bacon in the oven, It always
>>>> lies flat, and is re-usable.
>>>
>>> I must be the last person in the world who cooks bacon in a pan on
>>> the stove.  Five slices every Sunday (three for him, two for me);
>>> save the grease for other uses.
>>>
>> That's how I used to do it - until a friend who ran a B&B in Tasmania,
>> introduced me to the oven method.
>
>My son hates the way the smell of frying bacon permeates the whole house.
>So he cooks it in a pan on the BBQ.

I read that burning human corpses smell the same.

small furry animal wrote:

> On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 07:47:16 -0600
> Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>> > On 2024-04-18, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>> >
>> > I had my air fryer for a few weeks before I discovered that, yes,
>> > there is somewhat of a mess down there needing occaisional clean-up.
>> >
>> But it's easier than cleaning the entire cooktop and surrounding
>> counter.

> No it really is not.
>
>
Sure it is, if you have an automatic dishwasher. Just pop the fry
basket along with the drip basket into the dishwasher. All the
grease is contained in those two areas. But a splatter shield will
contain most of the grease when skillet frying, most.

On 2024-04-18 12:17 p.m., ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
> small furry animal wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 07:47:16 -0600
>> Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On 2024-04-18, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>>> > > I had my air fryer for a few weeks before I discovered that, yes,
>>> > there is somewhat of a mess down there needing occaisional clean-up.
>>> > But it's easier than cleaning the entire cooktop and surrounding
>>> counter.
>
>> No it really is not.
>>
>>
> Sure it is, if you have an automatic dishwasher.  Just pop the fry
> basket along with the drip basket into the dishwasher.  All the
> grease is contained in those two areas.  But a splatter shield will
> contain most of the grease when skillet frying, most.

I've had several splatter shields and I've yet to find one that works.

Graham wrote:

> On 2024-04-18 10:18 a.m., ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
>>
>> Graham wrote:
>>
>>> I have silicone sheets for baking but for some things, e.g. macarons,
>>> I use flat sheets of parchment that I get from Lakeland when I visit
>>> England.
>>>
>>>
>> My grocery store sells those precut sheets, a bit expensive.  But I'm
>> sure you'd be able to find them there in cookware stores or even online,
>> once again Amazon.
>>
> But they might roll them for shipping.
>
>
Don't quote me, but I think they come in a flat box like one if you
were shipping a picture frame.

https://www.amazon.com/Unbleached-Parchment-Supplies-Non-Stick-Non-Toxic/dp/B0CD2FM2WR/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?

https://www.amazon.com/Parchment-Paper-SMARTAKE-200-Pcs/dp/B07H79KX8W/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?

Several others there to choose from with slightly different sizes.
They all appear to be in flat boxes.

On Thu, 18 Apr 2024, Mike Duffy wrote:

> On 2024-04-18, D wrote:
>
>> Thank you Ed, but here's a tip that works even better!
>
>
> The only place I use PP is in my air fryer. An almost perfect
> kitchen accessory is like an oversized cupcake paper that fits
> the basket bottom. If you don't know what that means, think about
> a huge 'Reeses' PB cup wrapper.
>
> The only problem with it is that after some time, the edges fall
> inwards and you end up with a central cavity that resembles a
> swastika. I'm not sure who I should complain to.

You're the master Ed! =)

On Thu, 18 Apr 2024, small furry animal wrote:

> On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 11:19:45 +0200
> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 17 Apr 2024, Ed P wrote:
>>
>>> A tip that actually works.
>>>
>>> Every couple of weeks I make a batch of blueberry pancakes and a
>>> tray of bacon to go with them. I make the bacon in the oven and
>>> can fit about 10 pieces.
>>>
>>> I always line the tray with parchment paper. Once cut, it always
>>> tries to roll back up, so, I fold the two sides and it helps,but
>>> not perfect. Then I saw a tip on line that you just crumple up the
>>> paper and then spread it out.
>>>
>>> I did just that and it works easier than my folding.
>>>
>>> Once cooked, I lay the bacon on a couple of paper towels and roll
>>> it up to keep in the fridge. Take out two pieces when needed, nuke
>>> 30 seconds.
>>
>> Thank you Ed, but here's a tip that works even better!
>>
>> I threaten my parchment with the just wrath of Donald Trump and that
>> usually makes it stay in place.
>
>
> I think Xiden has all the wax paper saluting now.

Xiden? That's nonsense! The only true path is XXrump! 100% more X!

Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On 2024-04-18, S Viemeister <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
> > On 18/04/2024 02:29, Ed P wrote:
> >> A tip that actually works.
> >>
> >> Every couple of weeks I make a batch of blueberry pancakes and a
> tray of >> bacon to go with them.  I make the bacon in the oven and
> can fit about >> 10 pieces.
> >>
> >> I always line the tray with parchment paper.  Once cut, it always
> tries >> to roll back up, so, I fold the two sides and it helps,but
> not perfect. >> Then I saw a tip on line that you just crumple up
> the paper and then >> spread it out.
> >>
> >> I did just that and it works easier than my folding.
> >>
> >> Once cooked, I lay the bacon on a couple of paper towels and roll
> it up >> to keep in the fridge.  Take out two pieces when needed,
> nuke 30 seconds.
> >
> > I use a silicone tray liner when I cook bacon in the oven, It
> > always lies flat, and is re-usable.
>
> I must be the last person in the world who cooks bacon in a pan on
> the stove. Five slices every Sunday (three for him, two for me);
> save the grease for other uses.

Naw, we do that.

In article <66212927$0$1258341
$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, hamilton@invalid.com
says...
>
> On 2024-04-18, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
> > In article <6621040c$0$6552$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> > hamilton@invalid.com says...
> >>
> >> On 2024-04-18, S Viemeister <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
> >> > On 18/04/2024 02:29, Ed P wrote:
> >> >> A tip that actually works.
> >> >>
> >> >> Every couple of weeks I make a batch of blueberry pancakes and a tray of
> >> >> bacon to go with them.  I make the bacon in the oven and can fit about
> >> >> 10 pieces.
> >> >>
> >> >> I always line the tray with parchment paper.  Once cut, it always tries
> >> >> to roll back up, so, I fold the two sides and it helps,but not perfect.
> >> >> Then I saw a tip on line that you just crumple up the paper and then
> >> >> spread it out.
> >> >>
> >> >> I did just that and it works easier than my folding.
> >> >>
> >> >> Once cooked, I lay the bacon on a couple of paper towels and roll it up
> >> >> to keep in the fridge.  Take out two pieces when needed, nuke 30 seconds.
> >> >
> >> > I use a silicone tray liner when I cook bacon in the oven, It always
> >> > lies flat, and is re-usable.
> >>
> >> I must be the last person in the world who cooks bacon in a pan on
> >> the stove. Five slices every Sunday (three for him, two for me);
> >> save the grease for other uses.
> >
> > Nope, you're the last but two. We both cook bacon in a
> > pan.
> >
> > Then we eat it hot and juicy and crispy, instead of
> > cooling it, keeping it in the fridge for a week and
> > reheating it (shudder)
> >
> > Now ,about boiled eggs. We just cook as many as we're
> > about to eat. Then we eat them.
>
> Hard boiled or soft?

Either, both.

Janet UK
>

On 2024-04-18, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

> Amazon sells air fryer parchment paper liners if
> you want something that would fit it exactly.

Here in the great White North we can buy them at
"Canadian Tire" who also incidently are my source for
'Pillaros' fire-roasted pickled red peppers.

Pity all you USAnians who do not have this culinary
repository to draw upon.

Mike Duffy wrote:

> On 2024-04-18, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

>> Amazon sells air fryer parchment paper liners if
>> you want something that would fit it exactly.

> Here in the great White North we can buy them at
> "Canadian Tire" who also incidently are my source for
> 'Pillaros' fire-roasted pickled red peppers.

> Pity all you USAnians who do not have this culinary
> repository to draw upon.
>
>
There are many cookware/bakeware stores here, but I was supplying
a source that's pretty much available to all North Americans.

Also, I tried the hot water trick for parchment paper to see if it
would make it more manageable and it did. Most all the water just
skidded off and the paper only needed minimal wiping with a dishtowel
to dry it.

On 4/18/2024 7:40 AM, songbird wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 10:37:06 +0100, S Viemeister
>> <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
>>> On 18/04/2024 02:29, Ed P wrote:
>>>> A tip that actually works.
>>>>
>>>> Every couple of weeks I make a batch of blueberry pancakes and a tray of
>>>> bacon to go with them.  I make the bacon in the oven and can fit about
>>>> 10 pieces.
>>>>
>>>> I always line the tray with parchment paper.  Once cut, it always tries
>>>> to roll back up, so, I fold the two sides and it helps,but not perfect.
>>>> Then I saw a tip on line that you just crumple up the paper and then
>>>> spread it out.
>>>>
>>>> I did just that and it works easier than my folding.
>>>>
>>>> Once cooked, I lay the bacon on a couple of paper towels and roll it up
>>>> to keep in the fridge.  Take out two pieces when needed, nuke 30 seconds.
>>>
>>> I use a silicone tray liner when I cook bacon in the oven, It always
>>> lies flat, and is re-usable.
>>
>> I think we have a winner.
>
> compared to cooking bacon i'd rather just buy the packages
> of pre-cooked crumbled bacon. it's there any time we want bacon
> and it cooks to desired crispness in 15-30 seconds. the only
> mess is the cup we cook it in and there's no waste grease at all
> to discard (what little is the cup washes up).
>
> songbird

Yabbut not everyone wants crumbled bacon.

Jill

On 2024-04-18 12:23 p.m., ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
> Graham wrote:
>
>> On 2024-04-18 10:18 a.m., ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
>>>
>>> Graham wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have silicone sheets for baking but for some things, e.g. macarons,
>>>> I use flat sheets of parchment that I get from Lakeland when I visit
>>>> England.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> My grocery store sells those precut sheets, a bit expensive.  But I'm
>>> sure you'd be able to find them there in cookware stores or even online,
>>> once again Amazon.
>>>
>> But they might roll them for shipping.
>>
>>
> Don't quote me, but I think they come in a flat box like one if you
> were shipping a picture frame.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Unbleached-Parchment-Supplies-Non-Stick-Non-Toxic/dp/B0CD2FM2WR/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Parchment-Paper-SMARTAKE-200-Pcs/dp/B07H79KX8W/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?
>
> Several others there to choose from with slightly different sizes.
> They all appear to be in flat boxes.

Thanks! I still have plenty though.

On 4/18/2024 3:50 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
> Mike Duffy wrote:
>
>> On 2024-04-18, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
>
>>> Amazon sells air fryer parchment paper liners if
>>> you want something that would fit it exactly.
>
>> Here in the great White North we can buy them at
>> "Canadian Tire" who also incidently are my source for
>> 'Pillaros' fire-roasted pickled red peppers.
>
>> Pity all you USAnians who do not have this culinary
>> repository to draw upon.
>>
>>
> There are many cookware/bakeware stores here, but I was supplying
> a source that's pretty much available to all North Americans.
>
> Also, I tried the hot water trick for parchment paper to see if it
> would make it more manageable and it did.  Most all the water just
> skidded off and the paper only needed minimal wiping with a dishtowel
> to dry it.

It sounds like an excellent tip and another solution for Ed. :)

Jill

On 18 Apr 2024 13:41:29 GMT, Mike Duffy <mxduffy@bell.net> wrote:

>On 2024-04-18, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>
>> Last night I cooked some in the air fryer - came out perfectly crisped
>> at 400 air fried for about four minutes. What was good was that there
>> was no mess, usually spatters from the CI on to the stove top :(
>
>No mess? Dear Lucretia, try looking under the removable bottom.
>
>I had my air fryer for a few weeks before I discovered that, yes,
>there is somewhat of a mess down there needing occaisional clean-up.

I didn't say there wasn't a mess in the drawer part, I took the bottom
out and put the whole thing in the dishwasher! I didn't have the
stove to clean, as I would if I had cooked it in the cast iron
skillet.

On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 08:48:45 -0600, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

>On 2024-04-18 6:34 a.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 18/04/2024 12:29, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On 2024-04-18, S Viemeister <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
>>>> On 18/04/2024 02:29, Ed P wrote:
>>>>> A tip that actually works.
>>>>>
>>>>> Every couple of weeks I make a batch of blueberry pancakes and a
>>>>> tray of
>>>>> bacon to go with them.  I make the bacon in the oven and can fit about
>>>>> 10 pieces.
>>>>>
>>>>> I always line the tray with parchment paper.  Once cut, it always tries
>>>>> to roll back up, so, I fold the two sides and it helps,but not perfect.
>>>>> Then I saw a tip on line that you just crumple up the paper and then
>>>>> spread it out.
>>>>>
>>>>> I did just that and it works easier than my folding.
>>>>>
>>>>> Once cooked, I lay the bacon on a couple of paper towels and roll it up
>>>>> to keep in the fridge.  Take out two pieces when needed, nuke 30
>>>>> seconds.
>>>>
>>>> I use a silicone tray liner when I cook bacon in the oven, It always
>>>> lies flat, and is re-usable.
>>>
>>> I must be the last person in the world who cooks bacon in a pan on
>>> the stove.  Five slices every Sunday (three for him, two for me);
>>> save the grease for other uses.
>>>
>> That's how I used to do it - until a friend who ran a B&B in Tasmania,
>> introduced me to the oven method.
>
>My son hates the way the smell of frying bacon permeates the whole house.
>So he cooks it in a pan on the BBQ.

That's a good alternative :)

On 4/18/2024 4:07 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 4/18/2024 7:40 AM, songbird wrote:
>> Bruce wrote:
>>> On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 10:37:06 +0100, S Viemeister
>>> <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
>>>> On 18/04/2024 02:29, Ed P wrote:
>>>>> A tip that actually works.
>>>>>
>>>>> Every couple of weeks I make a batch of blueberry pancakes and a
>>>>> tray of
>>>>> bacon to go with them.  I make the bacon in the oven and can fit about
>>>>> 10 pieces.
>>>>>
>>>>> I always line the tray with parchment paper.  Once cut, it always
>>>>> tries
>>>>> to roll back up, so, I fold the two sides and it helps,but not
>>>>> perfect.
>>>>> Then I saw a tip on line that you just crumple up the paper and then
>>>>> spread it out.
>>>>>
>>>>> I did just that and it works easier than my folding.
>>>>>
>>>>> Once cooked, I lay the bacon on a couple of paper towels and roll
>>>>> it up
>>>>> to keep in the fridge.  Take out two pieces when needed, nuke 30
>>>>> seconds.
>>>>
>>>> I use a silicone tray liner when I cook bacon in the oven, It always
>>>> lies flat, and is re-usable.
>>>
>>> I think we have a winner.
>>
>>    compared to cooking bacon i'd rather just buy the packages
>> of pre-cooked crumbled bacon.  it's there any time we want bacon
>> and it cooks to desired crispness in 15-30 seconds.  the only
>> mess is the cup we cook it in and there's no waste grease at all
>> to discard (what little is the cup washes up).
>>
>>    songbird
>
> Yabbut not everyone wants crumbled bacon.
>
> Jill

I've been tempted but never took the big step to buy it. I just looked
at BJs and 10 ounces is $13, probably not bad since much of the fat is
gone.

On 18/04/2024 19:25, Graham wrote:
> On 2024-04-18 12:17 p.m., ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
>> small furry animal wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 07:47:16 -0600
>>> Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On 2024-04-18, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>>>> > > I had my air fryer for a few weeks before I discovered that, yes,
>>>> > there is somewhat of a mess down there needing occaisional clean-up.
>>>> > But it's easier than cleaning the entire cooktop and surrounding
>>>> counter.
>>
>>> No it really is not.
>>>
>>>
>> Sure it is, if you have an automatic dishwasher.  Just pop the fry
>> basket along with the drip basket into the dishwasher.  All the
>> grease is contained in those two areas.  But a splatter shield will
>> contain most of the grease when skillet frying, most.
>
> I've had several splatter shields and I've yet to find one that works.

Mine works - when I remember to use it.

On 2024-04-18 4:46 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
> On 18/04/2024 19:25, Graham wrote:
>> On 2024-04-18 12:17 p.m., ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
>>> small furry animal wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 07:47:16 -0600
>>>> Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > On 2024-04-18, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>>>>> > > I had my air fryer for a few weeks before I discovered that, yes,
>>>>> > there is somewhat of a mess down there needing occaisional clean-up.
>>>>> > But it's easier than cleaning the entire cooktop and surrounding
>>>>> counter.
>>>
>>>> No it really is not.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Sure it is, if you have an automatic dishwasher.  Just pop the fry
>>> basket along with the drip basket into the dishwasher.  All the
>>> grease is contained in those two areas.  But a splatter shield will
>>> contain most of the grease when skillet frying, most.
>>
>> I've had several splatter shields and I've yet to find one that works.
>
> Mine works - when I remember to use it.

Indeed. There is that design flaw.

Ed P wrote :

> I always line the tray with parchment paper. Once cut, it always tries
> to roll back up, so, I fold the two sides and it helps,but not perfect.
> Then I saw a tip on line that you just crumple up the paper and then
> spread it out.

Buy your parchment in flat sheets. Gordon Food Service carries "Pan
Liners - Quilon Coated Baking Sheets" - 50 count - 16-3/8" x 24-3/8".
But they're folded in half in the package. Not a problem here, as we
cut them in half anyway. Just bought some at the beginning of March and
they were $6.99 at the time. Might be more expensive than the rolls
from the grocery store, but flat wins.

Looks like you might have a local Gordon Food Service as there are 2
distribution centers in Florida.

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