On Sat Dec 30 11:34:26 2023 "funkma...@hotmail.com" wrote:
> On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 1:55:07PM UTC-5, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 7:02:58PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 8:17:04AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 5:06:22PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 2:06:19PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > > > > > Zen Cycle <funkm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > On 12/29/2023 3:07 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> By the way, since 2012 I have had to be properly treated for my
> > > > > > >> concussion, had to have the medication balanced and learn to ride all over again.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Since I got my Garmin just three years ago here is what I have done:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Personal Records
> > > > > > >> Cycling 40 km 26:24 2022
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My, that works out to about 56 MPH, that _is_ impressive tommy! Why
> > > > > > > haven't you entered the masters world championships? You'd take the gold
> > > > > > > for sure!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Total Ascent 4,826 ft 2019
> > > > > > >> Max Avg Power (20 min)298 W 2019
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And to think you managed to have the garmin generate this data without a
> > > > > > > power meter! BTW, If the 40K record of 26 minutes is correct, that would
> > > > > > > translate to a sustained power output of just under 4000 watts for that
> > > > > > > 24 minutes (yes, 4000 watts). A 20 minute effort at 298 watts puts you
> > > > > > > at 22 MPH. Which are we to believe?
> > > > > > Indeed my fastest 40k at least according to Garmin was at least a hr longer
> > > > > > if not more admittedly Gravel ride though fairly fast stuff on way to
> > > > > > Brighton for fish and chips!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Longest Ride 72.43 mi 2021
> > > > > > >> Lifetime Totals
> > > > > > >> Activities
> > > > > > >> Activities 640
> > > > > > >> Distance 15,850.50 mi
> > > > > > >> Time 2080:40:35 hrs
> > > > > > >> Calories 903,642
> > > > > > >> Total Ascent 608,397 ft
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If I was retired and lived in an area where it never snowed, I'm pretty
> > > > > > > sure I'd be blowing that out of the water.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Your talking about competence is pretty silly
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well, I'm not the one who can't find the right gear with a straight
> > > > > > > block, can't figure out how to keep carbon fiber bars tight, can't
> > > > > > > figure out how to get get a chain to not "drag at the extremes" and run
> > > > > > > quietly, "So Many Problems!" - Frank Krygowski
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Brent Steelman made a great unicrown fork. IF you don't believe me, take
> > > > > > > it up with him.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Roger Merriman
> > > > > Do you suppose that Garmin is lying to you to make yiou feel slow? Remember Lou's claim that it was impossible to fall off a cliff on a bicycle and go 65 mph and as proof of that he showed a video of Tom Pidcock or someone descending a mild grade and still hitting 55?
> > > > >
> > > > > Now I don't want to insult Lou, but someone that comes from a country that averages 2 meters below sea level should not be talking abput descending speeds.
> > > > Pff, we have the Alpes and other mountain ranges I ride for 35 years. Tom you did not do 65 mph on a decpscent and your 40 km time is not 26 min and 24 sec. You probably left your Garmin on driving home in your car.
> > > >
> > > > Lou
> > > Lou, you can believe anything you like. The max power came from a power meter and that is a level that would verify the 40 K speed. If it makes you feel better you may pretend that I don't have a Garmin at all. For all I care you can pretend that you actually go slower down 21% grades than you do on 7% grades like a large number of the roads in the Alps.
> > If an intern at work comes to me with a result from a finite element program my first question is did you do a sanity check?. I would like to ask you the same question. Garmin records your best time over 40 km. You report that your best time is 26 min and 24 sec. That is an average speed of almost 91 km/hr. Tell me what descent in the US is 40 km long AND you are able to average 91 km/hr. Again do a sanity check. Point me also to a climb in the US (show me the gradient profile). With gradients of 21% for miles on a row. We have even gradients of 22% in the Netherlands:
> >
> > https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keutenberg
> >
> > Short but if you dont have the right gear you walk.
> >
> > Lou
>
> Tom states unequivocally that the power number came from a power meter, and that number was a PR within the last three years.
> Tom has also stated unquivicoally that he doesn't use a power meter ever since he had the PowerPod several years ago (well over three years).
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/sC4za-RABRU/m/J-FSY1kFAwAJ

No, I did not state that came from a power meter. That should be clear because it doesn't state a power but a distance and time. It does not goive a date and at that time I rarely drove anywhere for a ride. But I did drive to Santa Rosa for a century and that average speed would pretty closely match driving the speed limit on the Freeway and going on city streets back home. I would have had to have left the Garmin on but since I did that once before I assume that I left it on AFTER the Tierra Bella which I think is running this weekend and which I just didn't have the fitness to do this year.

On Sat Dec 30 10:55:05 2023 Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 7:02:58PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 8:17:04AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 5:06:22PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 2:06:19PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > > > > Zen Cycle <funkm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On 12/29/2023 3:07 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> By the way, since 2012 I have had to be properly treated for my
> > > > > >> concussion, had to have the medication balanced and learn to ride all over again.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Since I got my Garmin just three years ago here is what I have done:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Personal Records
> > > > > >> Cycling 40 km 26:24 2022
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My, that works out to about 56 MPH, that _is_ impressive tommy! Why
> > > > > > haven't you entered the masters world championships? You'd take the gold
> > > > > > for sure!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Total Ascent 4,826 ft 2019
> > > > > >> Max Avg Power (20 min)298 W 2019
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And to think you managed to have the garmin generate this data without a
> > > > > > power meter! BTW, If the 40K record of 26 minutes is correct, that would
> > > > > > translate to a sustained power output of just under 4000 watts for that
> > > > > > 24 minutes (yes, 4000 watts). A 20 minute effort at 298 watts puts you
> > > > > > at 22 MPH. Which are we to believe?
> > > > > Indeed my fastest 40k at least according to Garmin was at least a hr longer
> > > > > if not more admittedly Gravel ride though fairly fast stuff on way to
> > > > > Brighton for fish and chips!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Longest Ride 72.43 mi 2021
> > > > > >> Lifetime Totals
> > > > > >> Activities
> > > > > >> Activities 640
> > > > > >> Distance 15,850.50 mi
> > > > > >> Time 2080:40:35 hrs
> > > > > >> Calories 903,642
> > > > > >> Total Ascent 608,397 ft
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If I was retired and lived in an area where it never snowed, I'm pretty
> > > > > > sure I'd be blowing that out of the water.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Your talking about competence is pretty silly
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, I'm not the one who can't find the right gear with a straight
> > > > > > block, can't figure out how to keep carbon fiber bars tight, can't
> > > > > > figure out how to get get a chain to not "drag at the extremes" and run
> > > > > > quietly, "So Many Problems!" - Frank Krygowski
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Brent Steelman made a great unicrown fork. IF you don't believe me, take
> > > > > > it up with him.
> > > > > >
> > > > > Roger Merriman
> > > > Do you suppose that Garmin is lying to you to make yiou feel slow? Remember Lou's claim that it was impossible to fall off a cliff on a bicycle and go 65 mph and as proof of that he showed a video of Tom Pidcock or someone descending a mild grade and still hitting 55?
> > > >
> > > > Now I don't want to insult Lou, but someone that comes from a country that averages 2 meters below sea level should not be talking abput descending speeds.
> > > Pff, we have the Alpes and other mountain ranges I ride for 35 years. Tom you did not do 65 mph on a decpscent and your 40 km time is not 26 min and 24 sec. You probably left your Garmin on driving home in your car.
> > >
> > > Lou
> > Lou, you can believe anything you like. The max power came from a power meter and that is a level that would verify the 40 K speed. If it makes you feel better you may pretend that I don't have a Garmin at all. For all I care you can pretend that you actually go slower down 21% grades than you do on 7% grades like a large number of the roads in the Alps.
>
> If an intern at work comes to me with a result from a finite element program my first question is did you do a sanity check?. I would like to ask you the same question. Garmin records your best time over 40 km. You report that your best time is 26 min and 24 sec. That is an average speed of almost 91 km/hr. Tell me what descent in the US is 40 km long AND you are able to average 91 km/hr. Again do a sanity check. Point me also to a climb in the US (show me the gradient profile). With gradients of 21% for miles on a row. We have even gradients of 22% in the Netherlands:
>
> https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keutenberg
>
> Short but if you dont have the right gear you walk.
>
> Lou

I agree with you and since that was in 2022 I must have left the Garmin on when either returning from a century or left it on when driving back with the bike on top of my friends car that has roof mounts. We rode the Wine Country Century course the week after so that we could take advantage of the metric century markings.

On Sat Dec 30 10:55:05 2023 Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 7:02:58PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 8:17:04AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 5:06:22PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 2:06:19PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > > > > Zen Cycle <funkm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On 12/29/2023 3:07 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> By the way, since 2012 I have had to be properly treated for my
> > > > > >> concussion, had to have the medication balanced and learn to ride all over again.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Since I got my Garmin just three years ago here is what I have done:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Personal Records
> > > > > >> Cycling 40 km 26:24 2022
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My, that works out to about 56 MPH, that _is_ impressive tommy! Why
> > > > > > haven't you entered the masters world championships? You'd take the gold
> > > > > > for sure!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Total Ascent 4,826 ft 2019
> > > > > >> Max Avg Power (20 min)298 W 2019
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And to think you managed to have the garmin generate this data without a
> > > > > > power meter! BTW, If the 40K record of 26 minutes is correct, that would
> > > > > > translate to a sustained power output of just under 4000 watts for that
> > > > > > 24 minutes (yes, 4000 watts). A 20 minute effort at 298 watts puts you
> > > > > > at 22 MPH. Which are we to believe?
> > > > > Indeed my fastest 40k at least according to Garmin was at least a hr longer
> > > > > if not more admittedly Gravel ride though fairly fast stuff on way to
> > > > > Brighton for fish and chips!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Longest Ride 72.43 mi 2021
> > > > > >> Lifetime Totals
> > > > > >> Activities
> > > > > >> Activities 640
> > > > > >> Distance 15,850.50 mi
> > > > > >> Time 2080:40:35 hrs
> > > > > >> Calories 903,642
> > > > > >> Total Ascent 608,397 ft
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If I was retired and lived in an area where it never snowed, I'm pretty
> > > > > > sure I'd be blowing that out of the water.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Your talking about competence is pretty silly
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, I'm not the one who can't find the right gear with a straight
> > > > > > block, can't figure out how to keep carbon fiber bars tight, can't
> > > > > > figure out how to get get a chain to not "drag at the extremes" and run
> > > > > > quietly, "So Many Problems!" - Frank Krygowski
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Brent Steelman made a great unicrown fork. IF you don't believe me, take
> > > > > > it up with him.
> > > > > >
> > > > > Roger Merriman
> > > > Do you suppose that Garmin is lying to you to make yiou feel slow? Remember Lou's claim that it was impossible to fall off a cliff on a bicycle and go 65 mph and as proof of that he showed a video of Tom Pidcock or someone descending a mild grade and still hitting 55?
> > > >
> > > > Now I don't want to insult Lou, but someone that comes from a country that averages 2 meters below sea level should not be talking abput descending speeds.
> > > Pff, we have the Alpes and other mountain ranges I ride for 35 years. Tom you did not do 65 mph on a decpscent and your 40 km time is not 26 min and 24 sec. You probably left your Garmin on driving home in your car.
> > >
> > > Lou
> > Lou, you can believe anything you like. The max power came from a power meter and that is a level that would verify the 40 K speed. If it makes you feel better you may pretend that I don't have a Garmin at all. For all I care you can pretend that you actually go slower down 21% grades than you do on 7% grades like a large number of the roads in the Alps.
>
> If an intern at work comes to me with a result from a finite element program my first question is did you do a sanity check?. I would like to ask you the same question. Garmin records your best time over 40 km. You report that your best time is 26 min and 24 sec. That is an average speed of almost 91 km/hr. Tell me what descent in the US is 40 km long AND you are able to average 91 km/hr. Again do a sanity check. Point me also to a climb in the US (show me the gradient profile). With gradients of 21% for miles on a row. We have even gradients of 22% in the Netherlands:
>
> https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keutenberg
>
> Short but if you dont have the right gear you walk.
>
> Lou

For some reason this program doesn't post correctly some of the time.

But I will say that I agree with you Lou. I can only imagine that returning after a century I left the Garmin on. Or perhaps I was still using one of the POS Garmin 705's that was easy to trick if you set it up wrong.

On Sat Mar 9 20:30:36 2024 Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Sat Dec 30 10:55:05 2023 Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 7:02:58

I see that AGAIN the posting didn't come through.

I can only say that I agree with you and I must have left the Garmin on when returning from the Wine Country Century.