It seems like most of the postings here on this group are by people that do not ride but rather come here to argue as if to impress [people with their total lack of knowledge. Libermann and Slocomb ae both very close to death with Liebermann being saved by having no immune system to be effected by the vaccine contamination and Slocomb 90 years old telling us that he does 90 mile round trips to Bangcok on a bicycle. Flunky has a nice Bontrager with a shitty fork on it but can any of us know the last time he actually raced? That would make no difference at all, if he wasn't bragging about it so much. Scharf appears to be converting over to think first and comment later which changes his positions completely.

So what are these people posting so often on this site if none of them even know how to hold a wrench let alone have any bicycle repair speciualized tools?

One of the things that has bugged me about the 11 and 12 speed groups is that all of the high speed cogs are only one tooth apart. This means you spend a lot of time trying to find the gear you actually need instead of the next gear, I also haven't been able to get the chain to not drag at the extremes. Di2 solved this problem partially by overshiting to get a shift and then stepping back to get a quiet run, But that too drags at the extremes. No matter what I have done, the extremes make noise.

But that is different with the 10 speed wide ratio Shimano. It is quiet in the extremes and if has large steps (11-13-15 etc.) so that it is a lot easier to guess what gear you need.

Now that Ultegra and Dura Ace are Di2 12 speed only, the manual 105;s failing appear to be a slight weight penalty from the previous Dura Ace though not much. With Water bottle and saddle pack my Basso and Fondriest are just 20 lbs for steel bikes. Unless you're going to very high cost extremes you can't get more than 2 lbs advantage with a Carbon Fiber bike and then you have a limited lifetime bike. What good is a lifetime warranty from Trek if you go head first into the road? Yes this is also a disadvantage of the Fondriest CF fork so I will replace it every five years or so.

And so far I haven;t found any CF bike that rides well. We're even hearing those complaints from pros. I'm riding CF bikes in the nasty weather and
I am getting pain in my hands and arms from it. So I will be glad when the weather improves and I can use my good bikes.

I presently am not riding enough for my butt to get used to the carbon fiber saddle so after the weather improves I should be able to ride more comfotably on the Flite saddle on Basso until it is time to replace it with the CF saddles with the cutouts.

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 9:15:11 AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
> It seems like most of the postings here on this group are by people that do not ride but rather come here to argue as if to impress [people with their total lack of knowledge. Libermann and Slocomb ae both very close to death with Liebermann being saved by having no immune system to be effected by the vaccine contamination and Slocomb 90 years old telling us that he does 90 mile round trips to Bangcok on a bicycle. Flunky has a nice Bontrager with a shitty fork on it but can any of us know the last time he actually raced? That would make no difference at all, if he wasn't bragging about it so much. Scharf appears to be converting over to think first and comment later which changes his positions completely.
>
> So what are these people posting so often on this site if none of them even know how to hold a wrench let alone have any bicycle repair speciualized tools?
>
> One of the things that has bugged me about the 11 and 12 speed groups is that all of the high speed cogs are only one tooth apart. This means you spend a lot of time trying to find the gear you actually need instead of the next gear, I also haven't been able to get the chain to not drag at the extremes. Di2 solved this problem partially by overshiting to get a shift and then stepping back to get a quiet run, But that too drags at the extremes. No matter what I have done, the extremes make noise.
>
> But that is different with the 10 speed wide ratio Shimano. It is quiet in the extremes and if has large steps (11-13-15 etc.) so that it is a lot easier to guess what gear you need.
>
> Now that Ultegra and Dura Ace are Di2 12 speed only, the manual 105;s failing appear to be a slight weight penalty from the previous Dura Ace though not much. With Water bottle and saddle pack my Basso and Fondriest are just 20 lbs for steel bikes. Unless you're going to very high cost extremes you can't get more than 2 lbs advantage with a Carbon Fiber bike and then you have a limited lifetime bike. What good is a lifetime warranty from Trek if you go head first into the road? Yes this is also a disadvantage of the Fondriest CF fork so I will replace it every five years or so.
>
> And so far I haven;t found any CF bike that rides well. We're even hearing those complaints from pros. I'm riding CF bikes in the nasty weather and
> I am getting pain in my hands and arms from it. So I will be glad when the weather improves and I can use my good bikes.
>
> I presently am not riding enough for my butt to get used to the carbon fiber saddle so after the weather improves I should be able to ride more comfotably on the Flite saddle on Basso until it is time to replace it with the CF saddles with the cutouts.

I should add that Flunky says that he has something like 2,500 miles and that is a lot of ridind for someone back east in the snow states so it tends to back up his claims of racing since it takes a lot of training to even race a little.

On 12/29/2023 12:15 PM, Tom Kunich wrote more proof that I live rent
free in his head:
> Flunky has a nice Bontrager with a shitty fork on it

I'm sure Brent Steelman would love to have you say that to his face.
https://web.archive.org/web/20030207230412/http://www.steelmancycles.com/cc.html
"The CC frame is equipped with our own exclusive straight blade
unicrown fork."

> but can any of us know the last time he actually raced?

You could simply ask:
https://www.strava.com/activities/6187247258
Or, you could take you head out of your ass a pay attention to the dozen
other times I've listed race activities

> That would make no difference at all, if he wasn't bragging about it so much.

I've never bragged that I race, you idiot, I've noted my race
participation when it's relevant to the discussion.

> Scharf appears to be converting over to think first and comment later which changes his positions completely.
>
> So what are these people posting so often on this site if none of them even know how to hold a wrench let alone have any bicycle repair speciualized tools?

Like metric torx wrenches?

> One of the things that has bugged me about the 11 and 12 speed groups is that all of the high speed cogs are only one tooth apart. This means you spend a lot of time trying to find the gear you actually need instead of the next gear,

Competent riders don't generally have this problem

> I also haven't been able to get the chain to not drag at the extremes. Di2 solved this problem partially by overshiting to get a shift and then stepping back to get a quiet run, But that too drags at the extremes. No matter what I have done, the extremes make noise.

"so many problems!" - Frank Krygowski

> But that is different with the 10 speed wide ratio Shimano. It is quiet in the extremes and if has large steps (11-13-15 etc.) so that it is a lot easier to guess what gear you need.
>
> Now that Ultegra and Dura Ace are Di2 12 speed only, the manual 105;s failing appear to be a slight weight penalty from the previous Dura Ace though not much. With Water bottle and saddle pack my Basso and Fondriest are just 20 lbs for steel bikes. Unless you're going to very high cost extremes you can't get more than 2 lbs advantage with a Carbon Fiber bike and then you have a limited lifetime bike. What good is a lifetime warranty from Trek if you go head first into the road? Yes this is also a disadvantage of the Fondriest CF fork so I will replace it every five years or so.

When will you replace your cheap $400 chinese carbon wheels?

> And so far I haven;t found any CF bike that rides well.

That's a personal problem on your part

> We're even hearing those complaints from pros.

No, we aren't

> I'm riding CF bikes in the nasty weather and
> I am getting pain in my hands and arms from it. So I will be glad when the weather improves and I can use my good bikes.

You just stated your problem, likely none the wiser - Maybe you should
ride a good _carbon_ bike.

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On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 11:07:30 AM UTC-8, Zen Cycle wrote:
> On 12/29/2023 12:15 PM, Tom Kunich wrote more proof that I live rent
> free in his head:
> > Flunky has a nice Bontrager with a shitty fork on it
> I'm sure Brent Steelman would love to have you say that to his face.
> https://web.archive.org/web/20030207230412/http://www.steelmancycles.com/cc.html
> "The CC frame is equipped with our own exclusive straight blade
> unicrown fork."
> > but can any of us know the last time he actually raced?
> You could simply ask:
> https://www.strava.com/activities/6187247258
> Or, you could take you head out of your ass a pay attention to the dozen
> other times I've listed race activities
> > That would make no difference at all, if he wasn't bragging about it so much.
> I've never bragged that I race, you idiot, I've noted my race
> participation when it's relevant to the discussion.
> > Scharf appears to be converting over to think first and comment later which changes his positions completely.
> >
> > So what are these people posting so often on this site if none of them even know how to hold a wrench let alone have any bicycle repair speciualized tools?
> Like metric torx wrenches?
> > One of the things that has bugged me about the 11 and 12 speed groups is that all of the high speed cogs are only one tooth apart. This means you spend a lot of time trying to find the gear you actually need instead of the next gear,
> Competent riders don't generally have this problem
> > I also haven't been able to get the chain to not drag at the extremes. Di2 solved this problem partially by overshiting to get a shift and then stepping back to get a quiet run, But that too drags at the extremes. No matter what I have done, the extremes make noise.
> "so many problems!" - Frank Krygowski
> > But that is different with the 10 speed wide ratio Shimano. It is quiet in the extremes and if has large steps (11-13-15 etc.) so that it is a lot easier to guess what gear you need.
> >
> > Now that Ultegra and Dura Ace are Di2 12 speed only, the manual 105;s failing appear to be a slight weight penalty from the previous Dura Ace though not much. With Water bottle and saddle pack my Basso and Fondriest are just 20 lbs for steel bikes. Unless you're going to very high cost extremes you can't get more than 2 lbs advantage with a Carbon Fiber bike and then you have a limited lifetime bike. What good is a lifetime warranty from Trek if you go head first into the road? Yes this is also a disadvantage of the Fondriest CF fork so I will replace it every five years or so.
> When will you replace your cheap $400 chinese carbon wheels?
> > And so far I haven;t found any CF bike that rides well.
> That's a personal problem on your part
> > We're even hearing those complaints from pros.
> No, we aren't
> > I'm riding CF bikes in the nasty weather and
> > I am getting pain in my hands and arms from it. So I will be glad when the weather improves and I can use my good bikes.
> You just stated your problem, likely none the wiser - Maybe you should
> ride a good _carbon_ bike.
>
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> Add xx to reply

I'm glad I didn't get around to putting you in the kill file yet since you make all of your stupid poiunts -public.

Exactly what sort of stupid ass takes advertisements at face value? I know Brent and you don't.

If you read the following posting you'd have seen that I didn't need a Strava account of anything - I was taking your word for it.

Do you men those "cheap Chinese wheels that were designed for Campagnolo and later distributed by Profile Designs and are not "carbon wheels" but aluminum wheels with carbon fairings? You are getting mentally slower by the hour.

I have owned Trek Emonda SL, Trek Modone, Ridley, Canyon, Cervelo, Colnago C40, C50 and CLX and BMC Team Machine. Tell me what you know about "good carbon bikes" when you couldn't afford any of them?

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 11:59:04 AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 11:07:30 AM UTC-8, Zen Cycle wrote:
> > On 12/29/2023 12:15 PM, Tom Kunich wrote more proof that I live rent
> > free in his head:
> > > Flunky has a nice Bontrager with a shitty fork on it
> > I'm sure Brent Steelman would love to have you say that to his face.
> > https://web.archive.org/web/20030207230412/http://www.steelmancycles.com/cc.html
> > "The CC frame is equipped with our own exclusive straight blade
> > unicrown fork."
> > > but can any of us know the last time he actually raced?
> > You could simply ask:
> > https://www.strava.com/activities/6187247258
> > Or, you could take you head out of your ass a pay attention to the dozen
> > other times I've listed race activities
> > > That would make no difference at all, if he wasn't bragging about it so much.
> > I've never bragged that I race, you idiot, I've noted my race
> > participation when it's relevant to the discussion.
> > > Scharf appears to be converting over to think first and comment later which changes his positions completely.
> > >
> > > So what are these people posting so often on this site if none of them even know how to hold a wrench let alone have any bicycle repair speciualized tools?
> > Like metric torx wrenches?
> > > One of the things that has bugged me about the 11 and 12 speed groups is that all of the high speed cogs are only one tooth apart. This means you spend a lot of time trying to find the gear you actually need instead of the next gear,
> > Competent riders don't generally have this problem
> > > I also haven't been able to get the chain to not drag at the extremes.. Di2 solved this problem partially by overshiting to get a shift and then stepping back to get a quiet run, But that too drags at the extremes. No matter what I have done, the extremes make noise.
> > "so many problems!" - Frank Krygowski
> > > But that is different with the 10 speed wide ratio Shimano. It is quiet in the extremes and if has large steps (11-13-15 etc.) so that it is a lot easier to guess what gear you need.
> > >
> > > Now that Ultegra and Dura Ace are Di2 12 speed only, the manual 105;s failing appear to be a slight weight penalty from the previous Dura Ace though not much. With Water bottle and saddle pack my Basso and Fondriest are just 20 lbs for steel bikes. Unless you're going to very high cost extremes you can't get more than 2 lbs advantage with a Carbon Fiber bike and then you have a limited lifetime bike. What good is a lifetime warranty from Trek if you go head first into the road? Yes this is also a disadvantage of the Fondriest CF fork so I will replace it every five years or so.
> > When will you replace your cheap $400 chinese carbon wheels?
> > > And so far I haven;t found any CF bike that rides well.
> > That's a personal problem on your part
> > > We're even hearing those complaints from pros.
> > No, we aren't
> > > I'm riding CF bikes in the nasty weather and
> > > I am getting pain in my hands and arms from it. So I will be glad when the weather improves and I can use my good bikes.
> > You just stated your problem, likely none the wiser - Maybe you should
> > ride a good _carbon_ bike.
> >
> > --
> > Add xx to reply
> I'm glad I didn't get around to putting you in the kill file yet since you make all of your stupid poiunts -public.
>
> Exactly what sort of stupid ass takes advertisements at face value? I know Brent and you don't.
>
> If you read the following posting you'd have seen that I didn't need a Strava account of anything - I was taking your word for it.
>
> Do you men those "cheap Chinese wheels that were designed for Campagnolo and later distributed by Profile Designs and are not "carbon wheels" but aluminum wheels with carbon fairings? You are getting mentally slower by the hour.
>
> I have owned Trek Emonda SL, Trek Modone, Ridley, Canyon, Cervelo, Colnago C40, C50 and CLX and BMC Team Machine. Tell me what you know about "good carbon bikes" when you couldn't afford any of them?

By the way, since 2012 I have had to be properly treated for my concussion, had to have the medication balanced and learn to ride all over again.

Since I got my Garmin just three years ago here is what I have done:

Personal Records
Cycling 40 km 26:24 2022
Total Ascent 4,826 ft 2019
Max Avg Power (20 min)298 W 2019
Longest Ride 72.43 mi 2021
Lifetime Totals
Activities
Activities 640
Distance 15,850.50 mi
Time 2080:40:35 hrs
Calories 903,642
Total Ascent 608,397 ft

Your talking about competence is pretty silly

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 9:07:51 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 11:59:04 AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 11:07:30 AM UTC-8, Zen Cycle wrote:
> > > On 12/29/2023 12:15 PM, Tom Kunich wrote more proof that I live rent
> > > free in his head:
> > > > Flunky has a nice Bontrager with a shitty fork on it
> > > I'm sure Brent Steelman would love to have you say that to his face.
> > > https://web.archive.org/web/20030207230412/http://www.steelmancycles.com/cc.html
> > > "The CC frame is equipped with our own exclusive straight blade
> > > unicrown fork."
> > > > but can any of us know the last time he actually raced?
> > > You could simply ask:
> > > https://www.strava.com/activities/6187247258
> > > Or, you could take you head out of your ass a pay attention to the dozen
> > > other times I've listed race activities
> > > > That would make no difference at all, if he wasn't bragging about it so much.
> > > I've never bragged that I race, you idiot, I've noted my race
> > > participation when it's relevant to the discussion.
> > > > Scharf appears to be converting over to think first and comment later which changes his positions completely.
> > > >
> > > > So what are these people posting so often on this site if none of them even know how to hold a wrench let alone have any bicycle repair speciualized tools?
> > > Like metric torx wrenches?
> > > > One of the things that has bugged me about the 11 and 12 speed groups is that all of the high speed cogs are only one tooth apart. This means you spend a lot of time trying to find the gear you actually need instead of the next gear,
> > > Competent riders don't generally have this problem
> > > > I also haven't been able to get the chain to not drag at the extremes. Di2 solved this problem partially by overshiting to get a shift and then stepping back to get a quiet run, But that too drags at the extremes. No matter what I have done, the extremes make noise.
> > > "so many problems!" - Frank Krygowski
> > > > But that is different with the 10 speed wide ratio Shimano. It is quiet in the extremes and if has large steps (11-13-15 etc.) so that it is a lot easier to guess what gear you need.
> > > >
> > > > Now that Ultegra and Dura Ace are Di2 12 speed only, the manual 105;s failing appear to be a slight weight penalty from the previous Dura Ace though not much. With Water bottle and saddle pack my Basso and Fondriest are just 20 lbs for steel bikes. Unless you're going to very high cost extremes you can't get more than 2 lbs advantage with a Carbon Fiber bike and then you have a limited lifetime bike. What good is a lifetime warranty from Trek if you go head first into the road? Yes this is also a disadvantage of the Fondriest CF fork so I will replace it every five years or so.
> > > When will you replace your cheap $400 chinese carbon wheels?
> > > > And so far I haven;t found any CF bike that rides well.
> > > That's a personal problem on your part
> > > > We're even hearing those complaints from pros.
> > > No, we aren't
> > > > I'm riding CF bikes in the nasty weather and
> > > > I am getting pain in my hands and arms from it. So I will be glad when the weather improves and I can use my good bikes.
> > > You just stated your problem, likely none the wiser - Maybe you should
> > > ride a good _carbon_ bike.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Add xx to reply
> > I'm glad I didn't get around to putting you in the kill file yet since you make all of your stupid poiunts -public.
> >
> > Exactly what sort of stupid ass takes advertisements at face value? I know Brent and you don't.
> >
> > If you read the following posting you'd have seen that I didn't need a Strava account of anything - I was taking your word for it.
> >
> > Do you men those "cheap Chinese wheels that were designed for Campagnolo and later distributed by Profile Designs and are not "carbon wheels" but aluminum wheels with carbon fairings? You are getting mentally slower by the hour.
> >
> > I have owned Trek Emonda SL, Trek Modone, Ridley, Canyon, Cervelo, Colnago C40, C50 and CLX and BMC Team Machine. Tell me what you know about "good carbon bikes" when you couldn't afford any of them?
> By the way, since 2012 I have had to be properly treated for my concussion, had to have the medication balanced and learn to ride all over again.
>
> Since I got my Garmin just three years ago here is what I have done:
>
> Personal Records
> Cycling 40 km 26:24 2022
> Total Ascent 4,826 ft 2019
> Max Avg Power (20 min)298 W 2019
> Longest Ride 72.43 mi 2021
> Lifetime Totals
> Activities
> Activities 640
> Distance 15,850.50 mi
> Time 2080:40:35 hrs
> Calories 903,642
> Total Ascent 608,397 ft
>
> Your talking about competence is pretty silly

They should offer you a pro contract. 40 km in 26 minutes and change, 298 watt average also impressive for a at that time 75 yo. I can’t help I have my doubts.

Lou

On 12/29/2023 2:59 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 11:07:30 AM UTC-8, Zen Cycle wrote:
>> On 12/29/2023 12:15 PM, Tom Kunich wrote more proof that I live rent
>> free in his head:
>>> Flunky has a nice Bontrager with a shitty fork on it
>> I'm sure Brent Steelman would love to have you say that to his face.
>> https://web.archive.org/web/20030207230412/http://www.steelmancycles.com/cc.html
>> "The CC frame is equipped with our own exclusive straight blade
>> unicrown fork."
>>> but can any of us know the last time he actually raced?
>> You could simply ask:
>> https://www.strava.com/activities/6187247258
>> Or, you could take you head out of your ass a pay attention to the dozen
>> other times I've listed race activities
>>> That would make no difference at all, if he wasn't bragging about it so much.
>> I've never bragged that I race, you idiot, I've noted my race
>> participation when it's relevant to the discussion.
>>> Scharf appears to be converting over to think first and comment later which changes his positions completely.
>>>
>>> So what are these people posting so often on this site if none of them even know how to hold a wrench let alone have any bicycle repair speciualized tools?
>> Like metric torx wrenches?
>>> One of the things that has bugged me about the 11 and 12 speed groups is that all of the high speed cogs are only one tooth apart. This means you spend a lot of time trying to find the gear you actually need instead of the next gear,
>> Competent riders don't generally have this problem
>>> I also haven't been able to get the chain to not drag at the extremes. Di2 solved this problem partially by overshiting to get a shift and then stepping back to get a quiet run, But that too drags at the extremes. No matter what I have done, the extremes make noise.
>> "so many problems!" - Frank Krygowski
>>> But that is different with the 10 speed wide ratio Shimano. It is quiet in the extremes and if has large steps (11-13-15 etc.) so that it is a lot easier to guess what gear you need.
>>>
>>> Now that Ultegra and Dura Ace are Di2 12 speed only, the manual 105;s failing appear to be a slight weight penalty from the previous Dura Ace though not much. With Water bottle and saddle pack my Basso and Fondriest are just 20 lbs for steel bikes. Unless you're going to very high cost extremes you can't get more than 2 lbs advantage with a Carbon Fiber bike and then you have a limited lifetime bike. What good is a lifetime warranty from Trek if you go head first into the road? Yes this is also a disadvantage of the Fondriest CF fork so I will replace it every five years or so.
>> When will you replace your cheap $400 chinese carbon wheels?
>>> And so far I haven;t found any CF bike that rides well.
>> That's a personal problem on your part
>>> We're even hearing those complaints from pros.
>> No, we aren't
>>> I'm riding CF bikes in the nasty weather and
>>> I am getting pain in my hands and arms from it. So I will be glad when the weather improves and I can use my good bikes.
>> You just stated your problem, likely none the wiser - Maybe you should
>> ride a good _carbon_ bike.
>>
>> --
>> Add xx to reply
>
> I'm glad I didn't get around to putting you in the kill file yet since you make all of your stupid poiunts -public.

You don't have a kill file.

>
> Exactly what sort of stupid ass takes advertisements at face value? I know Brent and you don't.

a) you may have met Brent Steelman, but you don't know him
b) If you do know him, call him up and tell him 'hey some guy on the web
is talking about how great your straight-legged unicrown forks are,
isn't that funny? we both know they're pieces of shit!'. I'd love to
hear his response to you calling a proprietary design of his "shitty"

the forks were offered as upgrades over the OEM forks by Bontrager,
Ibis, and other top-quality frame builders. I've ridden steelman forks
and know many other riders that have as well. They were always
considered an upgrade.

>
> If you read the following posting you'd have seen that I didn't need a Strava account of anything - I was taking your word for it.

Sure sparky, "can any of us know the last time he actually raced?" is
you taking my word for it.

>
> Do you men those "cheap Chinese wheels that were designed for Campagnolo and later distributed by Profile Designs and are not "carbon wheels" but aluminum wheels with carbon fairings? You are getting mentally slower by the hour.

Exactly what sort of dumbass takes advertisements at face value? You buy
cheap chinese carbon wheels that you aren't afraid to ride but won't
trust a carbon fork from a reputable builder - idiot.

>
> I have owned Trek Emonda SL, Trek Modone, Ridley, Canyon, Cervelo, Colnago C40, C50 and CLX and BMC Team Machine. Tell me what you know about "good carbon bikes" when you couldn't afford any of them?

I've owned Giant TCR, Two generations of Scott CR1, a Pinarello TT, and
Cannondale Six13 and Habit. More over, I've raced them all. If you
"can't find a CF bike that rides well" it says more about your
competence as a rider, which leads into your competence of not being
able to find the right gear on a straight block.

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On 12/29/2023 3:07 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> By the way, since 2012 I have had to be properly treated for my concussion, had to have the medication balanced and learn to ride all over again.
>
> Since I got my Garmin just three years ago here is what I have done:
>
> Personal Records
> Cycling 40 km 26:24 2022

My, that works out to about 56 MPH, that _is_ impressive tommy! Why
haven't you entered the masters world championships? You'd take the gold
for sure!

> Total Ascent 4,826 ft 2019
> Max Avg Power (20 min)298 W 2019

And to think you managed to have the garmin generate this data without a
power meter! BTW, If the 40K record of 26 minutes is correct, that would
translate to a sustained power output of just under 4000 watts for that
24 minutes (yes, 4000 watts). A 20 minute effort at 298 watts puts you
at 22 MPH. Which are we to believe?

> Longest Ride 72.43 mi 2021
> Lifetime Totals
> Activities
> Activities 640
> Distance 15,850.50 mi
> Time 2080:40:35 hrs
> Calories 903,642
> Total Ascent 608,397 ft

If I was retired and lived in an area where it never snowed, I'm pretty
sure I'd be blowing that out of the water.

> Your talking about competence is pretty silly

Well, I'm not the one who can't find the right gear with a straight
block, can't figure out how to keep carbon fiber bars tight, can't
figure out how to get get a chain to not "drag at the extremes" and run
quietly, "So Many Problems!" - Frank Krygowski

Brent Steelman made a great unicrown fork. IF you don't believe me, take
it up with him.

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On Fri, 29 Dec 2023 12:24:45 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
<lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 9:07:51?PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 11:59:04?AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 11:07:30?AM UTC-8, Zen Cycle wrote:
>> > > On 12/29/2023 12:15 PM, Tom Kunich wrote more proof that I live rent
>> > > free in his head:
>> > > > Flunky has a nice Bontrager with a shitty fork on it
>> > > I'm sure Brent Steelman would love to have you say that to his face.
>> > > https://web.archive.org/web/20030207230412/http://www.steelmancycles.com/cc.html
>> > > "The CC frame is equipped with our own exclusive straight blade
>> > > unicrown fork."
>> > > > but can any of us know the last time he actually raced?
>> > > You could simply ask:
>> > > https://www.strava.com/activities/6187247258
>> > > Or, you could take you head out of your ass a pay attention to the dozen
>> > > other times I've listed race activities
>> > > > That would make no difference at all, if he wasn't bragging about it so much.
>> > > I've never bragged that I race, you idiot, I've noted my race
>> > > participation when it's relevant to the discussion.
>> > > > Scharf appears to be converting over to think first and comment later which changes his positions completely.
>> > > >
>> > > > So what are these people posting so often on this site if none of them even know how to hold a wrench let alone have any bicycle repair speciualized tools?
>> > > Like metric torx wrenches?
>> > > > One of the things that has bugged me about the 11 and 12 speed groups is that all of the high speed cogs are only one tooth apart. This means you spend a lot of time trying to find the gear you actually need instead of the next gear,
>> > > Competent riders don't generally have this problem
>> > > > I also haven't been able to get the chain to not drag at the extremes. Di2 solved this problem partially by overshiting to get a shift and then stepping back to get a quiet run, But that too drags at the extremes. No matter what I have done, the extremes make noise.
>> > > "so many problems!" - Frank Krygowski
>> > > > But that is different with the 10 speed wide ratio Shimano. It is quiet in the extremes and if has large steps (11-13-15 etc.) so that it is a lot easier to guess what gear you need.
>> > > >
>> > > > Now that Ultegra and Dura Ace are Di2 12 speed only, the manual 105;s failing appear to be a slight weight penalty from the previous Dura Ace though not much. With Water bottle and saddle pack my Basso and Fondriest are just 20 lbs for steel bikes. Unless you're going to very high cost extremes you can't get more than 2 lbs advantage with a Carbon Fiber bike and then you have a limited lifetime bike. What good is a lifetime warranty from Trek if you go head first into the road? Yes this is also a disadvantage of the Fondriest CF fork so I will replace it every five years or so.
>> > > When will you replace your cheap $400 chinese carbon wheels?
>> > > > And so far I haven;t found any CF bike that rides well.
>> > > That's a personal problem on your part
>> > > > We're even hearing those complaints from pros.
>> > > No, we aren't
>> > > > I'm riding CF bikes in the nasty weather and
>> > > > I am getting pain in my hands and arms from it. So I will be glad when the weather improves and I can use my good bikes.
>> > > You just stated your problem, likely none the wiser - Maybe you should
>> > > ride a good _carbon_ bike.
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Add xx to reply
>> > I'm glad I didn't get around to putting you in the kill file yet since you make all of your stupid poiunts -public.
>> >
>> > Exactly what sort of stupid ass takes advertisements at face value? I know Brent and you don't.
>> >
>> > If you read the following posting you'd have seen that I didn't need a Strava account of anything - I was taking your word for it.
>> >
>> > Do you men those "cheap Chinese wheels that were designed for Campagnolo and later distributed by Profile Designs and are not "carbon wheels" but aluminum wheels with carbon fairings? You are getting mentally slower by the hour.
>> >
>> > I have owned Trek Emonda SL, Trek Modone, Ridley, Canyon, Cervelo, Colnago C40, C50 and CLX and BMC Team Machine. Tell me what you know about "good carbon bikes" when you couldn't afford any of them?
>> By the way, since 2012 I have had to be properly treated for my concussion, had to have the medication balanced and learn to ride all over again.
>>
>> Since I got my Garmin just three years ago here is what I have done:
>>
>> Personal Records
>> Cycling 40 km 26:24 2022
>> Total Ascent 4,826 ft 2019
>> Max Avg Power (20 min)298 W 2019
>> Longest Ride 72.43 mi 2021
>> Lifetime Totals
>> Activities
>> Activities 640
>> Distance 15,850.50 mi
>> Time 2080:40:35 hrs
>> Calories 903,642
>> Total Ascent 608,397 ft
>>
>> Your talking about competence is pretty silly
>
>They should offer you a pro contract. 40 km in 26 minutes and change, 298 watt average also impressive for a at that time 75 yo. I can’t help I have my doubts.
>
>Lou

This is the same guy that announced a 65 MPH descending speed.
--
Cheers,

John B.

Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/29/2023 3:07 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>
>> By the way, since 2012 I have had to be properly treated for my
>> concussion, had to have the medication balanced and learn to ride all over again.
>>
>> Since I got my Garmin just three years ago here is what I have done:
>>
>> Personal Records
>> Cycling 40 km 26:24 2022
>
> My, that works out to about 56 MPH, that _is_ impressive tommy! Why
> haven't you entered the masters world championships? You'd take the gold
> for sure!
>
>> Total Ascent 4,826 ft 2019
>> Max Avg Power (20 min)298 W 2019
>
> And to think you managed to have the garmin generate this data without a
> power meter! BTW, If the 40K record of 26 minutes is correct, that would
> translate to a sustained power output of just under 4000 watts for that
> 24 minutes (yes, 4000 watts). A 20 minute effort at 298 watts puts you
> at 22 MPH. Which are we to believe?

Indeed my fastest 40k at least according to Garmin was at least a hr longer
if not more admittedly Gravel ride though fairly fast stuff on way to
Brighton for fish and chips!
>
>> Longest Ride 72.43 mi 2021
>> Lifetime Totals
>> Activities
>> Activities 640
>> Distance 15,850.50 mi
>> Time 2080:40:35 hrs
>> Calories 903,642
>> Total Ascent 608,397 ft
>
> If I was retired and lived in an area where it never snowed, I'm pretty
> sure I'd be blowing that out of the water.
>
>> Your talking about competence is pretty silly
>
> Well, I'm not the one who can't find the right gear with a straight
> block, can't figure out how to keep carbon fiber bars tight, can't
> figure out how to get get a chain to not "drag at the extremes" and run
> quietly, "So Many Problems!" - Frank Krygowski
>
> Brent Steelman made a great unicrown fork. IF you don't believe me, take
> it up with him.
>

Roger Merriman

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 2:06:19 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Zen Cycle <funkm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On 12/29/2023 3:07 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>
> >> By the way, since 2012 I have had to be properly treated for my
> >> concussion, had to have the medication balanced and learn to ride all over again.
> >>
> >> Since I got my Garmin just three years ago here is what I have done:
> >>
> >> Personal Records
> >> Cycling 40 km 26:24 2022
> >
> > My, that works out to about 56 MPH, that _is_ impressive tommy! Why
> > haven't you entered the masters world championships? You'd take the gold
> > for sure!
> >
> >> Total Ascent 4,826 ft 2019
> >> Max Avg Power (20 min)298 W 2019
> >
> > And to think you managed to have the garmin generate this data without a
> > power meter! BTW, If the 40K record of 26 minutes is correct, that would
> > translate to a sustained power output of just under 4000 watts for that
> > 24 minutes (yes, 4000 watts). A 20 minute effort at 298 watts puts you
> > at 22 MPH. Which are we to believe?
> Indeed my fastest 40k at least according to Garmin was at least a hr longer
> if not more admittedly Gravel ride though fairly fast stuff on way to
> Brighton for fish and chips!
> >
> >> Longest Ride 72.43 mi 2021
> >> Lifetime Totals
> >> Activities
> >> Activities 640
> >> Distance 15,850.50 mi
> >> Time 2080:40:35 hrs
> >> Calories 903,642
> >> Total Ascent 608,397 ft
> >
> > If I was retired and lived in an area where it never snowed, I'm pretty
> > sure I'd be blowing that out of the water.
> >
> >> Your talking about competence is pretty silly
> >
> > Well, I'm not the one who can't find the right gear with a straight
> > block, can't figure out how to keep carbon fiber bars tight, can't
> > figure out how to get get a chain to not "drag at the extremes" and run
> > quietly, "So Many Problems!" - Frank Krygowski
> >
> > Brent Steelman made a great unicrown fork. IF you don't believe me, take
> > it up with him.
> >
> Roger Merriman

Do you suppose that Garmin is lying to you to make yiou feel slow? Remember Lou's claim that it was impossible to fall off a cliff on a bicycle and go 65 mph and as proof of that he showed a video of Tom Pidcock or someone descending a mild grade and still hitting 55?

Now I don't want to insult Lou, but someone that comes from a country that averages 2 meters below sea level should not be talking abput descending speeds.

On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 5:06:22 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 2:06:19 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > Zen Cycle <funkm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On 12/29/2023 3:07 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >>
> > >> By the way, since 2012 I have had to be properly treated for my
> > >> concussion, had to have the medication balanced and learn to ride all over again.
> > >>
> > >> Since I got my Garmin just three years ago here is what I have done:
> > >>
> > >> Personal Records
> > >> Cycling 40 km 26:24 2022
> > >
> > > My, that works out to about 56 MPH, that _is_ impressive tommy! Why
> > > haven't you entered the masters world championships? You'd take the gold
> > > for sure!
> > >
> > >> Total Ascent 4,826 ft 2019
> > >> Max Avg Power (20 min)298 W 2019
> > >
> > > And to think you managed to have the garmin generate this data without a
> > > power meter! BTW, If the 40K record of 26 minutes is correct, that would
> > > translate to a sustained power output of just under 4000 watts for that
> > > 24 minutes (yes, 4000 watts). A 20 minute effort at 298 watts puts you
> > > at 22 MPH. Which are we to believe?
> > Indeed my fastest 40k at least according to Garmin was at least a hr longer
> > if not more admittedly Gravel ride though fairly fast stuff on way to
> > Brighton for fish and chips!
> > >
> > >> Longest Ride 72.43 mi 2021
> > >> Lifetime Totals
> > >> Activities
> > >> Activities 640
> > >> Distance 15,850.50 mi
> > >> Time 2080:40:35 hrs
> > >> Calories 903,642
> > >> Total Ascent 608,397 ft
> > >
> > > If I was retired and lived in an area where it never snowed, I'm pretty
> > > sure I'd be blowing that out of the water.
> > >
> > >> Your talking about competence is pretty silly
> > >
> > > Well, I'm not the one who can't find the right gear with a straight
> > > block, can't figure out how to keep carbon fiber bars tight, can't
> > > figure out how to get get a chain to not "drag at the extremes" and run
> > > quietly, "So Many Problems!" - Frank Krygowski
> > >
> > > Brent Steelman made a great unicrown fork. IF you don't believe me, take
> > > it up with him.
> > >
> > Roger Merriman
> Do you suppose that Garmin is lying to you to make yiou feel slow? Remember Lou's claim that it was impossible to fall off a cliff on a bicycle and go 65 mph and as proof of that he showed a video of Tom Pidcock or someone descending a mild grade and still hitting 55?
>
> Now I don't want to insult Lou, but someone that comes from a country that averages 2 meters below sea level should not be talking abput descending speeds.

Pff, we have the Alpes and other mountain ranges I ride for 35 years. Tom you did not do 65 mph on a decpscent and your 40 km time is not 26 min and 24 sec. You probably left your Garmin on driving home in your car.

Lou

On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 8:17:04 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 5:06:22 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 2:06:19 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > > Zen Cycle <funkm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On 12/29/2023 3:07 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> By the way, since 2012 I have had to be properly treated for my
> > > >> concussion, had to have the medication balanced and learn to ride all over again.
> > > >>
> > > >> Since I got my Garmin just three years ago here is what I have done:
> > > >>
> > > >> Personal Records
> > > >> Cycling 40 km 26:24 2022
> > > >
> > > > My, that works out to about 56 MPH, that _is_ impressive tommy! Why
> > > > haven't you entered the masters world championships? You'd take the gold
> > > > for sure!
> > > >
> > > >> Total Ascent 4,826 ft 2019
> > > >> Max Avg Power (20 min)298 W 2019
> > > >
> > > > And to think you managed to have the garmin generate this data without a
> > > > power meter! BTW, If the 40K record of 26 minutes is correct, that would
> > > > translate to a sustained power output of just under 4000 watts for that
> > > > 24 minutes (yes, 4000 watts). A 20 minute effort at 298 watts puts you
> > > > at 22 MPH. Which are we to believe?
> > > Indeed my fastest 40k at least according to Garmin was at least a hr longer
> > > if not more admittedly Gravel ride though fairly fast stuff on way to
> > > Brighton for fish and chips!
> > > >
> > > >> Longest Ride 72.43 mi 2021
> > > >> Lifetime Totals
> > > >> Activities
> > > >> Activities 640
> > > >> Distance 15,850.50 mi
> > > >> Time 2080:40:35 hrs
> > > >> Calories 903,642
> > > >> Total Ascent 608,397 ft
> > > >
> > > > If I was retired and lived in an area where it never snowed, I'm pretty
> > > > sure I'd be blowing that out of the water.
> > > >
> > > >> Your talking about competence is pretty silly
> > > >
> > > > Well, I'm not the one who can't find the right gear with a straight
> > > > block, can't figure out how to keep carbon fiber bars tight, can't
> > > > figure out how to get get a chain to not "drag at the extremes" and run
> > > > quietly, "So Many Problems!" - Frank Krygowski
> > > >
> > > > Brent Steelman made a great unicrown fork. IF you don't believe me, take
> > > > it up with him.
> > > >
> > > Roger Merriman
> > Do you suppose that Garmin is lying to you to make yiou feel slow? Remember Lou's claim that it was impossible to fall off a cliff on a bicycle and go 65 mph and as proof of that he showed a video of Tom Pidcock or someone descending a mild grade and still hitting 55?
> >
> > Now I don't want to insult Lou, but someone that comes from a country that averages 2 meters below sea level should not be talking abput descending speeds.
> Pff, we have the Alpes and other mountain ranges I ride for 35 years. Tom you did not do 65 mph on a decpscent and your 40 km time is not 26 min and 24 sec. You probably left your Garmin on driving home in your car.
>
> Lou
Lou, you can believe anything you like. The max power came from a power meter and that is a level that would verify the 40 K speed. If it makes you feel better you may pretend that I don't have a Garmin at all. For all I care you can pretend that you actually go slower down 21% grades than you do on 7% grades like a large number of the roads in the Alps.

On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 7:02:58 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 8:17:04 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 5:06:22 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 2:06:19 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > > > Zen Cycle <funkm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On 12/29/2023 3:07 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> By the way, since 2012 I have had to be properly treated for my
> > > > >> concussion, had to have the medication balanced and learn to ride all over again.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Since I got my Garmin just three years ago here is what I have done:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Personal Records
> > > > >> Cycling 40 km 26:24 2022
> > > > >
> > > > > My, that works out to about 56 MPH, that _is_ impressive tommy! Why
> > > > > haven't you entered the masters world championships? You'd take the gold
> > > > > for sure!
> > > > >
> > > > >> Total Ascent 4,826 ft 2019
> > > > >> Max Avg Power (20 min)298 W 2019
> > > > >
> > > > > And to think you managed to have the garmin generate this data without a
> > > > > power meter! BTW, If the 40K record of 26 minutes is correct, that would
> > > > > translate to a sustained power output of just under 4000 watts for that
> > > > > 24 minutes (yes, 4000 watts). A 20 minute effort at 298 watts puts you
> > > > > at 22 MPH. Which are we to believe?
> > > > Indeed my fastest 40k at least according to Garmin was at least a hr longer
> > > > if not more admittedly Gravel ride though fairly fast stuff on way to
> > > > Brighton for fish and chips!
> > > > >
> > > > >> Longest Ride 72.43 mi 2021
> > > > >> Lifetime Totals
> > > > >> Activities
> > > > >> Activities 640
> > > > >> Distance 15,850.50 mi
> > > > >> Time 2080:40:35 hrs
> > > > >> Calories 903,642
> > > > >> Total Ascent 608,397 ft
> > > > >
> > > > > If I was retired and lived in an area where it never snowed, I'm pretty
> > > > > sure I'd be blowing that out of the water.
> > > > >
> > > > >> Your talking about competence is pretty silly
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, I'm not the one who can't find the right gear with a straight
> > > > > block, can't figure out how to keep carbon fiber bars tight, can't
> > > > > figure out how to get get a chain to not "drag at the extremes" and run
> > > > > quietly, "So Many Problems!" - Frank Krygowski
> > > > >
> > > > > Brent Steelman made a great unicrown fork. IF you don't believe me, take
> > > > > it up with him.
> > > > >
> > > > Roger Merriman
> > > Do you suppose that Garmin is lying to you to make yiou feel slow? Remember Lou's claim that it was impossible to fall off a cliff on a bicycle and go 65 mph and as proof of that he showed a video of Tom Pidcock or someone descending a mild grade and still hitting 55?
> > >
> > > Now I don't want to insult Lou, but someone that comes from a country that averages 2 meters below sea level should not be talking abput descending speeds.
> > Pff, we have the Alpes and other mountain ranges I ride for 35 years. Tom you did not do 65 mph on a decpscent and your 40 km time is not 26 min and 24 sec. You probably left your Garmin on driving home in your car.
> >
> > Lou
> Lou, you can believe anything you like. The max power came from a power meter and that is a level that would verify the 40 K speed. If it makes you feel better you may pretend that I don't have a Garmin at all. For all I care you can pretend that you actually go slower down 21% grades than you do on 7% grades like a large number of the roads in the Alps.

If an intern at work comes to me with a result from a finite element program my first question is ‘did you do a sanity check?’. I would like to ask you the same question. Garmin records your best time over 40 km. You report that your best time is 26 min and 24 sec. That is an average speed of almost 91 km/hr. Tell me what descent in the US is 40 km long AND you are able to average 91 km/hr. Again do a sanity check. Point me also to a climb in the US (show me the gradient profile). With gradients of 21% for miles on a row. We have even gradients of 22% in the Netherlands:

https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keutenberg

Short but if you don’t have the right gear you walk.

Lou

On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 1:55:07 PM UTC-5, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 7:02:58 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 8:17:04 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 5:06:22 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 2:06:19 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > > > > Zen Cycle <funkm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On 12/29/2023 3:07 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> By the way, since 2012 I have had to be properly treated for my
> > > > > >> concussion, had to have the medication balanced and learn to ride all over again.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Since I got my Garmin just three years ago here is what I have done:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Personal Records
> > > > > >> Cycling 40 km 26:24 2022
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My, that works out to about 56 MPH, that _is_ impressive tommy! Why
> > > > > > haven't you entered the masters world championships? You'd take the gold
> > > > > > for sure!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Total Ascent 4,826 ft 2019
> > > > > >> Max Avg Power (20 min)298 W 2019
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And to think you managed to have the garmin generate this data without a
> > > > > > power meter! BTW, If the 40K record of 26 minutes is correct, that would
> > > > > > translate to a sustained power output of just under 4000 watts for that
> > > > > > 24 minutes (yes, 4000 watts). A 20 minute effort at 298 watts puts you
> > > > > > at 22 MPH. Which are we to believe?
> > > > > Indeed my fastest 40k at least according to Garmin was at least a hr longer
> > > > > if not more admittedly Gravel ride though fairly fast stuff on way to
> > > > > Brighton for fish and chips!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Longest Ride 72.43 mi 2021
> > > > > >> Lifetime Totals
> > > > > >> Activities
> > > > > >> Activities 640
> > > > > >> Distance 15,850.50 mi
> > > > > >> Time 2080:40:35 hrs
> > > > > >> Calories 903,642
> > > > > >> Total Ascent 608,397 ft
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If I was retired and lived in an area where it never snowed, I'm pretty
> > > > > > sure I'd be blowing that out of the water.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Your talking about competence is pretty silly
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, I'm not the one who can't find the right gear with a straight
> > > > > > block, can't figure out how to keep carbon fiber bars tight, can't
> > > > > > figure out how to get get a chain to not "drag at the extremes" and run
> > > > > > quietly, "So Many Problems!" - Frank Krygowski
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Brent Steelman made a great unicrown fork. IF you don't believe me, take
> > > > > > it up with him.
> > > > > >
> > > > > Roger Merriman
> > > > Do you suppose that Garmin is lying to you to make yiou feel slow? Remember Lou's claim that it was impossible to fall off a cliff on a bicycle and go 65 mph and as proof of that he showed a video of Tom Pidcock or someone descending a mild grade and still hitting 55?
> > > >
> > > > Now I don't want to insult Lou, but someone that comes from a country that averages 2 meters below sea level should not be talking abput descending speeds.
> > > Pff, we have the Alpes and other mountain ranges I ride for 35 years. Tom you did not do 65 mph on a decpscent and your 40 km time is not 26 min and 24 sec. You probably left your Garmin on driving home in your car.
> > >
> > > Lou
> > Lou, you can believe anything you like. The max power came from a power meter and that is a level that would verify the 40 K speed. If it makes you feel better you may pretend that I don't have a Garmin at all. For all I care you can pretend that you actually go slower down 21% grades than you do on 7% grades like a large number of the roads in the Alps.
> If an intern at work comes to me with a result from a finite element program my first question is ‘did you do a sanity check?’. I would like to ask you the same question. Garmin records your best time over 40 km. You report that your best time is 26 min and 24 sec. That is an average speed of almost 91 km/hr. Tell me what descent in the US is 40 km long AND you are able to average 91 km/hr. Again do a sanity check. Point me also to a climb in the US (show me the gradient profile). With gradients of 21% for miles on a row. We have even gradients of 22% in the Netherlands:
>
> https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keutenberg
>
> Short but if you don’t have the right gear you walk.
>
> Lou

Tom states unequivocally that the power number came from a power meter, and that number was a PR within the last three years.
Tom has also stated unquivicoally that he doesn't use a power meter ever since he had the PowerPod several years ago (well over three years).

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/sC4za-RABRU/m/J-FSY1kFAwAJ

On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 10:55:07 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 7:02:58 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 8:17:04 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 5:06:22 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 2:06:19 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > > > > Zen Cycle <funkm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On 12/29/2023 3:07 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> By the way, since 2012 I have had to be properly treated for my
> > > > > >> concussion, had to have the medication balanced and learn to ride all over again.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Since I got my Garmin just three years ago here is what I have done:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Personal Records
> > > > > >> Cycling 40 km 26:24 2022
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My, that works out to about 56 MPH, that _is_ impressive tommy! Why
> > > > > > haven't you entered the masters world championships? You'd take the gold
> > > > > > for sure!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Total Ascent 4,826 ft 2019
> > > > > >> Max Avg Power (20 min)298 W 2019
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And to think you managed to have the garmin generate this data without a
> > > > > > power meter! BTW, If the 40K record of 26 minutes is correct, that would
> > > > > > translate to a sustained power output of just under 4000 watts for that
> > > > > > 24 minutes (yes, 4000 watts). A 20 minute effort at 298 watts puts you
> > > > > > at 22 MPH. Which are we to believe?
> > > > > Indeed my fastest 40k at least according to Garmin was at least a hr longer
> > > > > if not more admittedly Gravel ride though fairly fast stuff on way to
> > > > > Brighton for fish and chips!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Longest Ride 72.43 mi 2021
> > > > > >> Lifetime Totals
> > > > > >> Activities
> > > > > >> Activities 640
> > > > > >> Distance 15,850.50 mi
> > > > > >> Time 2080:40:35 hrs
> > > > > >> Calories 903,642
> > > > > >> Total Ascent 608,397 ft
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If I was retired and lived in an area where it never snowed, I'm pretty
> > > > > > sure I'd be blowing that out of the water.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Your talking about competence is pretty silly
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, I'm not the one who can't find the right gear with a straight
> > > > > > block, can't figure out how to keep carbon fiber bars tight, can't
> > > > > > figure out how to get get a chain to not "drag at the extremes" and run
> > > > > > quietly, "So Many Problems!" - Frank Krygowski
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Brent Steelman made a great unicrown fork. IF you don't believe me, take
> > > > > > it up with him.
> > > > > >
> > > > > Roger Merriman
> > > > Do you suppose that Garmin is lying to you to make yiou feel slow? Remember Lou's claim that it was impossible to fall off a cliff on a bicycle and go 65 mph and as proof of that he showed a video of Tom Pidcock or someone descending a mild grade and still hitting 55?
> > > >
> > > > Now I don't want to insult Lou, but someone that comes from a country that averages 2 meters below sea level should not be talking abput descending speeds.
> > > Pff, we have the Alpes and other mountain ranges I ride for 35 years. Tom you did not do 65 mph on a decpscent and your 40 km time is not 26 min and 24 sec. You probably left your Garmin on driving home in your car.
> > >
> > > Lou
> > Lou, you can believe anything you like. The max power came from a power meter and that is a level that would verify the 40 K speed. If it makes you feel better you may pretend that I don't have a Garmin at all. For all I care you can pretend that you actually go slower down 21% grades than you do on 7% grades like a large number of the roads in the Alps.
> If an intern at work comes to me with a result from a finite element program my first question is ‘did you do a sanity check?’. I would like to ask you the same question. Garmin records your best time over 40 km. You report that your best time is 26 min and 24 sec. That is an average speed of almost 91 km/hr. Tell me what descent in the US is 40 km long AND you are able to average 91 km/hr. Again do a sanity check. Point me also to a climb in the US (show me the gradient profile). With gradients of 21% for miles on a row. We have even gradients of 22% in the Netherlands:
>
> https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keutenberg
>
> Short but if you don’t have the right gear you walk.
>
> Lou
"Cycling 40 km 26:24 2022"

You are quite correct that this doesn't look right. But, I ride from my house except in one case where a friend drove us 5 miles to the start of a ride. I seem to recall that I didn't turn the Garmin off for that return drive but that was THIS YEAR only and only that one case. So I don't have any answers as to why this 25 miles in less than a half hour would be since all of the descents are proceeded with a climb. And most of the 40 K rides have slow climbs before the rapid descents. There is one exception which is the descent from Mt. Hamilton but that is an average descent of 7% and that was around 2019. I think that I averaged 25 mph in that case which would have been an hour.

I have not taken any drives to a ride that I can recall in 2022. This leaves the question of how the Garmin could have recorded such a speed. Or that They somehow missed recording the 1: in front of the 24: which would put that time more in the region of believability.

On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 10:02:56 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 8:17:04?AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 5:06:22?PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 2:06:19?PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> > > Zen Cycle <funkm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > On 12/29/2023 3:07 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> By the way, since 2012 I have had to be properly treated for my
>> > > >> concussion, had to have the medication balanced and learn to ride all over again.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Since I got my Garmin just three years ago here is what I have done:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Personal Records
>> > > >> Cycling 40 km 26:24 2022
>> > > >
>> > > > My, that works out to about 56 MPH, that _is_ impressive tommy! Why
>> > > > haven't you entered the masters world championships? You'd take the gold
>> > > > for sure!
>> > > >
>> > > >> Total Ascent 4,826 ft 2019
>> > > >> Max Avg Power (20 min)298 W 2019
>> > > >
>> > > > And to think you managed to have the garmin generate this data without a
>> > > > power meter! BTW, If the 40K record of 26 minutes is correct, that would
>> > > > translate to a sustained power output of just under 4000 watts for that
>> > > > 24 minutes (yes, 4000 watts). A 20 minute effort at 298 watts puts you
>> > > > at 22 MPH. Which are we to believe?
>> > > Indeed my fastest 40k at least according to Garmin was at least a hr longer
>> > > if not more admittedly Gravel ride though fairly fast stuff on way to
>> > > Brighton for fish and chips!
>> > > >
>> > > >> Longest Ride 72.43 mi 2021
>> > > >> Lifetime Totals
>> > > >> Activities
>> > > >> Activities 640
>> > > >> Distance 15,850.50 mi
>> > > >> Time 2080:40:35 hrs
>> > > >> Calories 903,642
>> > > >> Total Ascent 608,397 ft
>> > > >
>> > > > If I was retired and lived in an area where it never snowed, I'm pretty
>> > > > sure I'd be blowing that out of the water.
>> > > >
>> > > >> Your talking about competence is pretty silly
>> > > >
>> > > > Well, I'm not the one who can't find the right gear with a straight
>> > > > block, can't figure out how to keep carbon fiber bars tight, can't
>> > > > figure out how to get get a chain to not "drag at the extremes" and run
>> > > > quietly, "So Many Problems!" - Frank Krygowski
>> > > >
>> > > > Brent Steelman made a great unicrown fork. IF you don't believe me, take
>> > > > it up with him.
>> > > >
>> > > Roger Merriman
>> > Do you suppose that Garmin is lying to you to make yiou feel slow? Remember Lou's claim that it was impossible to fall off a cliff on a bicycle and go 65 mph and as proof of that he showed a video of Tom Pidcock or someone descending a mild grade and still hitting 55?
>> >
>> > Now I don't want to insult Lou, but someone that comes from a country that averages 2 meters below sea level should not be talking abput descending speeds.
>> Pff, we have the Alpes and other mountain ranges I ride for 35 years. Tom you did not do 65 mph on a decpscent and your 40 km time is not 26 min and 24 sec. You probably left your Garmin on driving home in your car.
>>
>> Lou
>Lou, you can believe anything you like. The max power came from a power meter and that is a level that would verify the 40 K speed. If it makes you feel better you may pretend that I don't have a Garmin at all. For all I care you can pretend that you actually go slower down 21% grades than you do on 7% grades like a large number of the roads in the Alps.

.. “Faster than a speeding bullet. Stronger than a locomotive. Able to
leap tall buildings in a single bound. Look! Up in the sky. It’s a
bird. It’s a plane. No, it’s Superman!” Or is it Super Kunuich?
See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iEzZqHLEjU
Oh No, It can't be Tommy as the video says a search for truth... and
we all know that isn't like Tommy's forte at all.
--
Cheers,

John B.

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 2:06:19 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> Zen Cycle <funkm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 12/29/2023 3:07 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>
>>>> By the way, since 2012 I have had to be properly treated for my
>>>> concussion, had to have the medication balanced and learn to ride all over again.
>>>>
>>>> Since I got my Garmin just three years ago here is what I have done:
>>>>
>>>> Personal Records
>>>> Cycling 40 km 26:24 2022
>>>
>>> My, that works out to about 56 MPH, that _is_ impressive tommy! Why
>>> haven't you entered the masters world championships? You'd take the gold
>>> for sure!
>>>
>>>> Total Ascent 4,826 ft 2019
>>>> Max Avg Power (20 min)298 W 2019
>>>
>>> And to think you managed to have the garmin generate this data without a
>>> power meter! BTW, If the 40K record of 26 minutes is correct, that would
>>> translate to a sustained power output of just under 4000 watts for that
>>> 24 minutes (yes, 4000 watts). A 20 minute effort at 298 watts puts you
>>> at 22 MPH. Which are we to believe?
>> Indeed my fastest 40k at least according to Garmin was at least a hr longer
>> if not more admittedly Gravel ride though fairly fast stuff on way to
>> Brighton for fish and chips!
>>>
>>>> Longest Ride 72.43 mi 2021
>>>> Lifetime Totals
>>>> Activities
>>>> Activities 640
>>>> Distance 15,850.50 mi
>>>> Time 2080:40:35 hrs
>>>> Calories 903,642
>>>> Total Ascent 608,397 ft
>>>
>>> If I was retired and lived in an area where it never snowed, I'm pretty
>>> sure I'd be blowing that out of the water.
>>>
>>>> Your talking about competence is pretty silly
>>>
>>> Well, I'm not the one who can't find the right gear with a straight
>>> block, can't figure out how to keep carbon fiber bars tight, can't
>>> figure out how to get get a chain to not "drag at the extremes" and run
>>> quietly, "So Many Problems!" - Frank Krygowski
>>>
>>> Brent Steelman made a great unicrown fork. IF you don't believe me, take
>>> it up with him.
>>>
>> Roger Merriman
>
> Do you suppose that Garmin is lying to you to make yiou feel slow?
> Remember Lou's claim that it was impossible to fall off a cliff on a
> bicycle and go 65 mph and as proof of that he showed a video of Tom
> Pidcock or someone descending a mild grade and still hitting 55?

Hardly as my Gravel is largely MTB lite I’m not hooning along at 20mph on
gravel roads around Kanas say, so a 14mph average isn’t to be sniffed at
normally average 11mph on mixed though largely off road surfaces.
>
> Now I don't want to insult Lou, but someone that comes from a country
> that averages 2 meters below sea level should not be talking abput descending speeds.
>

He unless my memory mistakes me regularly gets to the Alps and similar, ie
is an experience descender. And reaching 65mph as was pointed out before is
very much a outlier you need combo of right hill, with the skill/bravery
and power to reach it, only have to look at SAFA Brian’s videos he’s using
the entire road even with his skill set and performance.

Some of the pros do publish to Strava etc, and most are 30/40 something ie
in realms of normal, I’m told the sprinters chasing the time cut are fairly
rapid at times though!

Roger Merriman

On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 3:05:43 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 2:06:19 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> >> Zen Cycle <funkm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On 12/29/2023 3:07 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> By the way, since 2012 I have had to be properly treated for my
> >>>> concussion, had to have the medication balanced and learn to ride all over again.
> >>>>
> >>>> Since I got my Garmin just three years ago here is what I have done:
> >>>>
> >>>> Personal Records
> >>>> Cycling 40 km 26:24 2022
> >>>
> >>> My, that works out to about 56 MPH, that _is_ impressive tommy! Why
> >>> haven't you entered the masters world championships? You'd take the gold
> >>> for sure!
> >>>
> >>>> Total Ascent 4,826 ft 2019
> >>>> Max Avg Power (20 min)298 W 2019
> >>>
> >>> And to think you managed to have the garmin generate this data without a
> >>> power meter! BTW, If the 40K record of 26 minutes is correct, that would
> >>> translate to a sustained power output of just under 4000 watts for that
> >>> 24 minutes (yes, 4000 watts). A 20 minute effort at 298 watts puts you
> >>> at 22 MPH. Which are we to believe?
> >> Indeed my fastest 40k at least according to Garmin was at least a hr longer
> >> if not more admittedly Gravel ride though fairly fast stuff on way to
> >> Brighton for fish and chips!
> >>>
> >>>> Longest Ride 72.43 mi 2021
> >>>> Lifetime Totals
> >>>> Activities
> >>>> Activities 640
> >>>> Distance 15,850.50 mi
> >>>> Time 2080:40:35 hrs
> >>>> Calories 903,642
> >>>> Total Ascent 608,397 ft
> >>>
> >>> If I was retired and lived in an area where it never snowed, I'm pretty
> >>> sure I'd be blowing that out of the water.
> >>>
> >>>> Your talking about competence is pretty silly
> >>>
> >>> Well, I'm not the one who can't find the right gear with a straight
> >>> block, can't figure out how to keep carbon fiber bars tight, can't
> >>> figure out how to get get a chain to not "drag at the extremes" and run
> >>> quietly, "So Many Problems!" - Frank Krygowski
> >>>
> >>> Brent Steelman made a great unicrown fork. IF you don't believe me, take
> >>> it up with him.
> >>>
> >> Roger Merriman
> >
> > Do you suppose that Garmin is lying to you to make yiou feel slow?
> > Remember Lou's claim that it was impossible to fall off a cliff on a
> > bicycle and go 65 mph and as proof of that he showed a video of Tom
> > Pidcock or someone descending a mild grade and still hitting 55?
> Hardly as my Gravel is largely MTB lite I’m not hooning along at 20mph on
> gravel roads around Kanas say, so a 14mph average isn’t to be sniffed at
> normally average 11mph on mixed though largely off road surfaces.
> >
> > Now I don't want to insult Lou, but someone that comes from a country
> > that averages 2 meters below sea level should not be talking abput descending speeds.
> >
> He unless my memory mistakes me regularly gets to the Alps and similar, ie
> is an experience descender. And reaching 65mph as was pointed out before is
> very much a outlier you need combo of right hill, with the skill/bravery
> and power to reach it, only have to look at SAFA Brian’s videos he’s using
> the entire road even with his skill set and performance.
>
> Some of the pros do publish to Strava etc, and most are 30/40 something ie
> in realms of normal, I’m told the sprinters chasing the time cut are fairly
> rapid at times though!
>
> Roger Merriman

Since most of my rides at least start in the city my average moving speed until very recently had been 11.5 mph. Lately since I am trying to keep up with my climbing, it is closer to 10 mph. Back in 2019 I was still moving pretty fast but now I don't know if age or winter weight is slowing me down.
It is very difficult for me to take off weight without hills and the vast majority of hill roads were destroyed by last winter's rains. And there is no appearqnce that they are going to repair them. Those that are open, have pretty long stretches of one way traffic confined to a single lane and traffic moving at up to 50 mph Would you like to meet someone like this going the other way on a single lane road? I have taken chances with these roads but it makes me nervous as hell now. At one tikme I would go full out down an 11 or 12

5 grade and around a 40 degree turn and stayi n my lane since that turn is blind. Then there was a driveway that used to be used so you would have to beware of that and then one mile further down the road was another driveway that cars would pull out of without even looking so you had to beware of that. At that point you were going to fast to stop from the time you saw them until you went through them. So I'vbe stopped taking chances there. This is where Lou doesn't beliece you can go 65 MPH even though the road is straight and any cars behind you are dropped so hard that it takes them a mile past the last driveway to catch up. There is a winery up there that just closed and the owner called me to say he was saving some wine for me. So I drove up there earlier this week. On the way back I simply coasted from where the road straightened out (in my SUV) and I coasted at 70 mph all the way down to where the road changed to one lane. And that was with the transmission in Drive. So you'll have to forgive me if I call bullshit on not coasting at 65 mph on 11% downhills. Remember that I didn't say that I maintained that but that I hit it. And inasmuch as I can't trust all of the numbers out of the Garmin, I saw these speeds on this section using a German VTO speedometer.in the mid 2010's before I started using Garmin. It would record Speed, Top Speed and Distance.

How fast do pro cyclists descend?
Pro cyclists typically descend at 60 miles per hour (100 kph). The average top speed of leaders can be higher than 65mph (105kph). This is on sustained downhill and after years of experience where they not only have the instincts and stamina to maintain that speed; but also understand how to enter hairpin turns to successfully accelerate out of the turns. The other skill that is important is to maintain an aerodynamic posture while in the drops of your handles to fight off wind resistance.

On 12/30/2023 7:20 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> Since most of my rides at least start in the city my average moving speed until very recently had been 11.5 mph. Lately since I am trying to keep up with my climbing, it is closer to 10 mph. Back in 2019 I was still moving pretty fast...

"The older I get, the faster I was!" ;-)

> ... This is where Lou doesn't beliece you can go 65 MPH even though the road is straight and any cars behind you are dropped so hard that it takes them a mile past the last driveway to catch up.

_Where_ is "This is where"? Give us the name of the road and a Google
Maps link, or a precise latitude & longitude. Then we can see how
closely the characteristics of the road match your fantasies.

> There is a winery up there that just closed and the owner called me to say he was saving some wine for me. So I drove up there earlier this week. On the way back I simply coasted from where the road straightened out (in my SUV) and I coasted at 70 mph all the way down to where the road changed to one lane. And that was with the transmission in Drive. So you'll have to forgive me if I call bullshit on not coasting at 65 on 11% downhills...

I call bullshit, as others have done. An 11% downhill is nowhere near
steep enough for you to hit 65 miles per hour. Maybe 45 mph if you have
sufficient runout. Not 65 mph.

So show us the road.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 08:06:19 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 2:06:19?PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> Zen Cycle <funkm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > On 12/29/2023 3:07 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >>
>> >> By the way, since 2012 I have had to be properly treated for my
>> >> concussion, had to have the medication balanced and learn to ride all over again.
>> >>
>> >> Since I got my Garmin just three years ago here is what I have done:
>> >>
>> >> Personal Records
>> >> Cycling 40 km 26:24 2022
>> >
>> > My, that works out to about 56 MPH, that _is_ impressive tommy! Why
>> > haven't you entered the masters world championships? You'd take the gold
>> > for sure!
>> >
>> >> Total Ascent 4,826 ft 2019
>> >> Max Avg Power (20 min)298 W 2019
>> >
>> > And to think you managed to have the garmin generate this data without a
>> > power meter! BTW, If the 40K record of 26 minutes is correct, that would
>> > translate to a sustained power output of just under 4000 watts for that
>> > 24 minutes (yes, 4000 watts). A 20 minute effort at 298 watts puts you
>> > at 22 MPH. Which are we to believe?
>> Indeed my fastest 40k at least according to Garmin was at least a hr longer
>> if not more admittedly Gravel ride though fairly fast stuff on way to
>> Brighton for fish and chips!
>> >
>> >> Longest Ride 72.43 mi 2021
>> >> Lifetime Totals
>> >> Activities
>> >> Activities 640
>> >> Distance 15,850.50 mi
>> >> Time 2080:40:35 hrs
>> >> Calories 903,642
>> >> Total Ascent 608,397 ft
>> >
>> > If I was retired and lived in an area where it never snowed, I'm pretty
>> > sure I'd be blowing that out of the water.
>> >
>> >> Your talking about competence is pretty silly
>> >
>> > Well, I'm not the one who can't find the right gear with a straight
>> > block, can't figure out how to keep carbon fiber bars tight, can't
>> > figure out how to get get a chain to not "drag at the extremes" and run
>> > quietly, "So Many Problems!" - Frank Krygowski
>> >
>> > Brent Steelman made a great unicrown fork. IF you don't believe me, take
>> > it up with him.
>> >
>> Roger Merriman
>
>Do you suppose that Garmin is lying to you to make yiou feel slow? Remember Lou's claim that it was impossible to fall off a cliff on a bicycle and go 65 mph and as proof of that he showed a video of Tom Pidcock or someone descending a mild grade and still hitting 55?
>
>Now I don't want to insult Lou, but someone that comes from a country that averages 2 meters below sea level should not be talking abput descending speeds.

But Tommy you've been telling lies on the web for what is it? 20
years? You have admitted to being under medical care and treatment for
brain damage for the last 10 or 11 years.

Do you really think that anyone believes you?

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 1:20:13 AM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 3:05:43 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 2:06:19 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > >> Zen Cycle <funkm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> On 12/29/2023 3:07 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> By the way, since 2012 I have had to be properly treated for my
> > >>>> concussion, had to have the medication balanced and learn to ride all over again.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Since I got my Garmin just three years ago here is what I have done:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Personal Records
> > >>>> Cycling 40 km 26:24 2022
> > >>>
> > >>> My, that works out to about 56 MPH, that _is_ impressive tommy! Why
> > >>> haven't you entered the masters world championships? You'd take the gold
> > >>> for sure!
> > >>>
> > >>>> Total Ascent 4,826 ft 2019
> > >>>> Max Avg Power (20 min)298 W 2019
> > >>>
> > >>> And to think you managed to have the garmin generate this data without a
> > >>> power meter! BTW, If the 40K record of 26 minutes is correct, that would
> > >>> translate to a sustained power output of just under 4000 watts for that
> > >>> 24 minutes (yes, 4000 watts). A 20 minute effort at 298 watts puts you
> > >>> at 22 MPH. Which are we to believe?
> > >> Indeed my fastest 40k at least according to Garmin was at least a hr longer
> > >> if not more admittedly Gravel ride though fairly fast stuff on way to
> > >> Brighton for fish and chips!
> > >>>
> > >>>> Longest Ride 72.43 mi 2021
> > >>>> Lifetime Totals
> > >>>> Activities
> > >>>> Activities 640
> > >>>> Distance 15,850.50 mi
> > >>>> Time 2080:40:35 hrs
> > >>>> Calories 903,642
> > >>>> Total Ascent 608,397 ft
> > >>>
> > >>> If I was retired and lived in an area where it never snowed, I'm pretty
> > >>> sure I'd be blowing that out of the water.
> > >>>
> > >>>> Your talking about competence is pretty silly
> > >>>
> > >>> Well, I'm not the one who can't find the right gear with a straight
> > >>> block, can't figure out how to keep carbon fiber bars tight, can't
> > >>> figure out how to get get a chain to not "drag at the extremes" and run
> > >>> quietly, "So Many Problems!" - Frank Krygowski
> > >>>
> > >>> Brent Steelman made a great unicrown fork. IF you don't believe me, take
> > >>> it up with him.
> > >>>
> > >> Roger Merriman
> > >
> > > Do you suppose that Garmin is lying to you to make yiou feel slow?
> > > Remember Lou's claim that it was impossible to fall off a cliff on a
> > > bicycle and go 65 mph and as proof of that he showed a video of Tom
> > > Pidcock or someone descending a mild grade and still hitting 55?
> > Hardly as my Gravel is largely MTB lite I’m not hooning along at 20mph on
> > gravel roads around Kanas say, so a 14mph average isn’t to be sniffed at
> > normally average 11mph on mixed though largely off road surfaces.
> > >
> > > Now I don't want to insult Lou, but someone that comes from a country
> > > that averages 2 meters below sea level should not be talking abput descending speeds.
> > >
> > He unless my memory mistakes me regularly gets to the Alps and similar, ie
> > is an experience descender. And reaching 65mph as was pointed out before is
> > very much a outlier you need combo of right hill, with the skill/bravery
> > and power to reach it, only have to look at SAFA Brian’s videos he’s using
> > the entire road even with his skill set and performance.
> >
> > Some of the pros do publish to Strava etc, and most are 30/40 something ie
> > in realms of normal, I’m told the sprinters chasing the time cut are fairly
> > rapid at times though!
> >
> > Roger Merriman
> Since most of my rides at least start in the city my average moving speed until very recently had been 11.5 mph. Lately since I am trying to keep up with my climbing, it is closer to 10 mph. Back in 2019 I was still moving pretty fast but now I don't know if age or winter weight is slowing me down..
> It is very difficult for me to take off weight without hills and the vast majority of hill roads were destroyed by last winter's rains. And there is no appearqnce that they are going to repair them. Those that are open, have pretty long stretches of one way traffic confined to a single lane and traffic moving at up to 50 mph Would you like to meet someone like this going the other way on a single lane road? I have taken chances with these roads but it makes me nervous as hell now. At one tikme I would go full out down an 11 or 12
>
> 5 grade and around a 40 degree turn and stayi n my lane since that turn is blind. Then there was a driveway that used to be used so you would have to beware of that and then one mile further down the road was another driveway that cars would pull out of without even looking so you had to beware of that. At that point you were going to fast to stop from the time you saw them until you went through them. So I'vbe stopped taking chances there. This is where Lou doesn't beliece you can go 65 MPH even though the road is straight and any cars behind you are dropped so hard that it takes them a mile past the last driveway to catch up. There is a winery up there that just closed and the owner called me to say he was saving some wine for me. So I drove up there earlier this week. On the way back I simply coasted from where the road straightened out (in my SUV) and I coasted at 70 mph all the way down to where the road changed to one lane. And that was with the transmission in Drive. So you'll have to forgive me if I call bullshit on not coasting at 65 mph on 11% downhills. Remember that I didn't say that I maintained that but that I hit it. And inasmuch as I can't trust all of the numbers out of the Garmin, I saw these speeds on this section using a German VTO speedometer.in the mid 2010's before I started using Garmin. It would record Speed, Top Speed and Distance.
>
> How fast do pro cyclists descend?
> Pro cyclists typically descend at 60 miles per hour (100 kph). The average top speed of leaders can be higher than 65mph (105kph). This is on sustained downhill and after years of experience where they not only have the instincts and stamina to maintain that speed; but also understand how to enter hairpin turns to successfully accelerate out of the turns. The other skill that is important is to maintain an aerodynamic posture while in the drops of your handles to fight off wind resistance.

Nope a pro cyclist doesn’t TYPICALLY descent at 100 km/hr. Typically I would say between hairpins 70-85 km/hr. Even for a pro cyclists for 100 km/hr the circumstances should be right, they do but not typically.

Lou

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 3:05:43 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 2:06:19 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>> Zen Cycle <funkm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 12/29/2023 3:07 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By the way, since 2012 I have had to be properly treated for my
>>>>>> concussion, had to have the medication balanced and learn to ride all over again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since I got my Garmin just three years ago here is what I have done:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Personal Records
>>>>>> Cycling 40 km 26:24 2022
>>>>>
>>>>> My, that works out to about 56 MPH, that _is_ impressive tommy! Why
>>>>> haven't you entered the masters world championships? You'd take the gold
>>>>> for sure!
>>>>>
>>>>>> Total Ascent 4,826 ft 2019
>>>>>> Max Avg Power (20 min)298 W 2019
>>>>>
>>>>> And to think you managed to have the garmin generate this data without a
>>>>> power meter! BTW, If the 40K record of 26 minutes is correct, that would
>>>>> translate to a sustained power output of just under 4000 watts for that
>>>>> 24 minutes (yes, 4000 watts). A 20 minute effort at 298 watts puts you
>>>>> at 22 MPH. Which are we to believe?
>>>> Indeed my fastest 40k at least according to Garmin was at least a hr longer
>>>> if not more admittedly Gravel ride though fairly fast stuff on way to
>>>> Brighton for fish and chips!
>>>>>
>>>>>> Longest Ride 72.43 mi 2021
>>>>>> Lifetime Totals
>>>>>> Activities
>>>>>> Activities 640
>>>>>> Distance 15,850.50 mi
>>>>>> Time 2080:40:35 hrs
>>>>>> Calories 903,642
>>>>>> Total Ascent 608,397 ft
>>>>>
>>>>> If I was retired and lived in an area where it never snowed, I'm pretty
>>>>> sure I'd be blowing that out of the water.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Your talking about competence is pretty silly
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I'm not the one who can't find the right gear with a straight
>>>>> block, can't figure out how to keep carbon fiber bars tight, can't
>>>>> figure out how to get get a chain to not "drag at the extremes" and run
>>>>> quietly, "So Many Problems!" - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>
>>>>> Brent Steelman made a great unicrown fork. IF you don't believe me, take
>>>>> it up with him.
>>>>>
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>
>>> Do you suppose that Garmin is lying to you to make yiou feel slow?
>>> Remember Lou's claim that it was impossible to fall off a cliff on a
>>> bicycle and go 65 mph and as proof of that he showed a video of Tom
>>> Pidcock or someone descending a mild grade and still hitting 55?
>> Hardly as my Gravel is largely MTB lite I’m not hooning along at 20mph on
>> gravel roads around Kanas say, so a 14mph average isn’t to be sniffed at
>> normally average 11mph on mixed though largely off road surfaces.
>>>
>>> Now I don't want to insult Lou, but someone that comes from a country
>>> that averages 2 meters below sea level should not be talking abput descending speeds.
>>>
>> He unless my memory mistakes me regularly gets to the Alps and similar, ie
>> is an experience descender. And reaching 65mph as was pointed out before is
>> very much a outlier you need combo of right hill, with the skill/bravery
>> and power to reach it, only have to look at SAFA Brian’s videos he’s using
>> the entire road even with his skill set and performance.
>>
>> Some of the pros do publish to Strava etc, and most are 30/40 something ie
>> in realms of normal, I’m told the sprinters chasing the time cut are fairly
>> rapid at times though!
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>
> Since most of my rides at least start in the city my average moving speed
> until very recently had been 11.5 mph. Lately since I am trying to keep
> up with my climbing, it is closer to 10 mph. Back in 2019 I was still
> moving pretty fast but now I don't know if age or winter weight is slowing me down.
> It is very difficult for me to take off weight without hills and the vast
> majority of hill roads were destroyed by last winter's rains. And there
> is no appearqnce that they are going to repair them. Those that are open,
> have pretty long stretches of one way traffic confined to a single lane
> and traffic moving at up to 50 mph Would you like to meet someone like
> this going the other way on a single lane road? I have taken chances with
> these roads but it makes me nervous as hell now. At one tikme I would go
> full out down an 11 or 12
>
> 5 grade and around a 40 degree turn and stayi n my lane since that turn
> is blind. Then there was a driveway that used to be used so you would
> have to beware of that and then one mile further down the road was
> another driveway that cars would pull out of without even looking so you
> had to beware of that. At that point you were going to fast to stop from
> the time you saw them until you went through them. So I'vbe stopped
> taking chances there. This is where Lou doesn't beliece you can go 65 MPH
> even though the road is straight and any cars behind you are dropped so
> hard that it takes them a mile past the last driveway to catch up. There
> is a winery up there that just closed and the owner called me to say he
> was saving some wine for me. So I drove up there earlier this week. On
> the way back I simply coasted from where the road straightened out (in my
> SUV) and I coasted at 70 mph all the way down to where the road changed
> to one lane. And that was with the transmission in Drive. So you'll have
> to forgive me if I call bullshit on not coasting at 65 mph on 11%
> downhills. Remember that I didn't say that I maintained that but that I
> hit it. And inasmuch as I can't trust all of the numbers out of the
> Garmin, I saw these speeds on this section using a German VTO
> speedometer.in the mid 2010's before I started using Garmin. It would
> record Speed, Top Speed and Distance.
>
Again if something is too good to be true or doesn’t pass the sanity test.
Even if the hill was an average of 11% rather than peak, grade you’d need
to be 300lb which seems unlikely considering your preference for light
bikes. One of my club mates who by his own admission has a darts player
physique and height ie 6”3/4 isn’t heavy enough at the 200lb you’d need to
be pushing out significant amounts of power, around 1000 watts to reach
65mph, this isn’t believable.

> How fast do pro cyclists descend?
> Pro cyclists typically descend at 60 miles per hour (100 kph). The
> average top speed of leaders can be higher than 65mph (105kph). This is
> on sustained downhill and after years of experience where they not only
> have the instincts and stamina to maintain that speed; but also
> understand how to enter hairpin turns to successfully accelerate out of
> the turns. The other skill that is important is to maintain an
> aerodynamic posture while in the drops of your handles to fight off wind resistance.
>
They do not typically descend at 60mph tv cameras will follow the Tom
Pidcock and so on as it’s good tv, but they are outliers the main bunch are
more 30/40mph when ever I’ve bothered to check folks Strava or simply
watch.

Apparently the sprinters do descend fast, as generally they are better bike
handlers and it’s free speed/time. Though tv cameras have long gone.

Roger Merriman

On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 7:30:04 AM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 3:05:43 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> >> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 2:06:19 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> >>>> Zen Cycle <funkm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On 12/29/2023 3:07 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> By the way, since 2012 I have had to be properly treated for my
> >>>>>> concussion, had to have the medication balanced and learn to ride all over again.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Since I got my Garmin just three years ago here is what I have done:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Personal Records
> >>>>>> Cycling 40 km 26:24 2022
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My, that works out to about 56 MPH, that _is_ impressive tommy! Why
> >>>>> haven't you entered the masters world championships? You'd take the gold
> >>>>> for sure!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Total Ascent 4,826 ft 2019
> >>>>>> Max Avg Power (20 min)298 W 2019
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And to think you managed to have the garmin generate this data without a
> >>>>> power meter! BTW, If the 40K record of 26 minutes is correct, that would
> >>>>> translate to a sustained power output of just under 4000 watts for that
> >>>>> 24 minutes (yes, 4000 watts). A 20 minute effort at 298 watts puts you
> >>>>> at 22 MPH. Which are we to believe?
> >>>> Indeed my fastest 40k at least according to Garmin was at least a hr longer
> >>>> if not more admittedly Gravel ride though fairly fast stuff on way to
> >>>> Brighton for fish and chips!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Longest Ride 72.43 mi 2021
> >>>>>> Lifetime Totals
> >>>>>> Activities
> >>>>>> Activities 640
> >>>>>> Distance 15,850.50 mi
> >>>>>> Time 2080:40:35 hrs
> >>>>>> Calories 903,642
> >>>>>> Total Ascent 608,397 ft
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If I was retired and lived in an area where it never snowed, I'm pretty
> >>>>> sure I'd be blowing that out of the water.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Your talking about competence is pretty silly
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Well, I'm not the one who can't find the right gear with a straight
> >>>>> block, can't figure out how to keep carbon fiber bars tight, can't
> >>>>> figure out how to get get a chain to not "drag at the extremes" and run
> >>>>> quietly, "So Many Problems!" - Frank Krygowski
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Brent Steelman made a great unicrown fork. IF you don't believe me, take
> >>>>> it up with him.
> >>>>>
> >>>> Roger Merriman
> >>>
> >>> Do you suppose that Garmin is lying to you to make yiou feel slow?
> >>> Remember Lou's claim that it was impossible to fall off a cliff on a
> >>> bicycle and go 65 mph and as proof of that he showed a video of Tom
> >>> Pidcock or someone descending a mild grade and still hitting 55?
> >> Hardly as my Gravel is largely MTB lite I’m not hooning along at 20mph on
> >> gravel roads around Kanas say, so a 14mph average isn’t to be sniffed at
> >> normally average 11mph on mixed though largely off road surfaces.
> >>>
> >>> Now I don't want to insult Lou, but someone that comes from a country
> >>> that averages 2 meters below sea level should not be talking abput descending speeds.
> >>>
> >> He unless my memory mistakes me regularly gets to the Alps and similar, ie
> >> is an experience descender. And reaching 65mph as was pointed out before is
> >> very much a outlier you need combo of right hill, with the skill/bravery
> >> and power to reach it, only have to look at SAFA Brian’s videos he’s using
> >> the entire road even with his skill set and performance.
> >>
> >> Some of the pros do publish to Strava etc, and most are 30/40 something ie
> >> in realms of normal, I’m told the sprinters chasing the time cut are fairly
> >> rapid at times though!
> >>
> >> Roger Merriman
> >
> > Since most of my rides at least start in the city my average moving speed
> > until very recently had been 11.5 mph. Lately since I am trying to keep
> > up with my climbing, it is closer to 10 mph. Back in 2019 I was still
> > moving pretty fast but now I don't know if age or winter weight is slowing me down.
> > It is very difficult for me to take off weight without hills and the vast
> > majority of hill roads were destroyed by last winter's rains. And there
> > is no appearqnce that they are going to repair them. Those that are open,
> > have pretty long stretches of one way traffic confined to a single lane
> > and traffic moving at up to 50 mph Would you like to meet someone like
> > this going the other way on a single lane road? I have taken chances with
> > these roads but it makes me nervous as hell now. At one tikme I would go
> > full out down an 11 or 12
> >
> > 5 grade and around a 40 degree turn and stayi n my lane since that turn
> > is blind. Then there was a driveway that used to be used so you would
> > have to beware of that and then one mile further down the road was
> > another driveway that cars would pull out of without even looking so you
> > had to beware of that. At that point you were going to fast to stop from
> > the time you saw them until you went through them. So I'vbe stopped
> > taking chances there. This is where Lou doesn't beliece you can go 65 MPH
> > even though the road is straight and any cars behind you are dropped so
> > hard that it takes them a mile past the last driveway to catch up. There
> > is a winery up there that just closed and the owner called me to say he
> > was saving some wine for me. So I drove up there earlier this week. On
> > the way back I simply coasted from where the road straightened out (in my
> > SUV) and I coasted at 70 mph all the way down to where the road changed
> > to one lane. And that was with the transmission in Drive. So you'll have
> > to forgive me if I call bullshit on not coasting at 65 mph on 11%
> > downhills. Remember that I didn't say that I maintained that but that I
> > hit it. And inasmuch as I can't trust all of the numbers out of the
> > Garmin, I saw these speeds on this section using a German VTO
> > speedometer.in the mid 2010's before I started using Garmin. It would
> > record Speed, Top Speed and Distance.
> >
> Again if something is too good to be true or doesn’t pass the sanity test.
> Even if the hill was an average of 11% rather than peak, grade you’d need
> to be 300lb which seems unlikely considering your preference for light
> bikes. One of my club mates who by his own admission has a darts player
> physique and height ie 6”3/4 isn’t heavy enough at the 200lb you’d need to
> be pushing out significant amounts of power, around 1000 watts to reach
> 65mph, this isn’t believable.
> > How fast do pro cyclists descend?
> > Pro cyclists typically descend at 60 miles per hour (100 kph). The
> > average top speed of leaders can be higher than 65mph (105kph). This is
> > on sustained downhill and after years of experience where they not only
> > have the instincts and stamina to maintain that speed; but also
> > understand how to enter hairpin turns to successfully accelerate out of
> > the turns. The other skill that is important is to maintain an
> > aerodynamic posture while in the drops of your handles to fight off wind resistance.
> >
> They do not typically descend at 60mph tv cameras will follow the Tom
> Pidcock and so on as it’s good tv, but they are outliers the main bunch are
> more 30/40mph when ever I’ve bothered to check folks Strava or simply
> watch.
>
> Apparently the sprinters do descend fast, as generally they are better bike
> handlers and it’s free speed/time. Though tv cameras have long gone.
>
> Roger Merriman
In the first place the peak is at least 12%, in the second, place weight has nothing to do with it. it is purely aerodynamics and at an average of 11% not much of that.

On 12/30/2023 9:18 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 12/30/2023 7:20 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>
>> Since most of my rides at least start in the city my average moving
>> speed until very recently had been 11.5 mph. Lately since I am trying
>> to keep up with my climbing, it is closer to 10 mph. Back in 2019 I
>> was still moving pretty fast...
>
> "The older I get, the faster I was!"   ;-)
>
>> ... This is where Lou doesn't beliece you can go 65 MPH even though
>> the road is straight and any cars behind you are dropped so hard that
>> it takes them a mile past the last driveway to catch up.
>
> _Where_ is "This is where"? Give us the name of the road and a Google
> Maps link, or a precise latitude & longitude. Then we can see how
> closely the characteristics of the road match your fantasies.
>
>> There is a winery up there that just closed and the owner called me to
>> say he was saving some wine for me. So I drove up there earlier this
>> week. On the way back I simply coasted from where the road
>> straightened out (in my SUV) and I coasted at 70 mph all the way down
>> to where the road changed to one lane. And that was with the
>> transmission in Drive. So you'll have to forgive me if I call bullshit
>> on not coasting at 65 on 11% downhills...
>
> I call bullshit, as others have done. An 11% downhill is nowhere near
> steep enough for you to hit 65 miles per hour. Maybe 45 mph if you have
> sufficient runout. Not 65 mph.
>
> So show us the road.

Followup: I want to make clear I'm talking about coasting on a bicycle.
Your comments mix cars and bikes, so I don't know what's in your mind
during any given sentence.

--
- Frank Krygowski