On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 11:14:00 AM UTC-8, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 10:31:53 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 12:57:27?PM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote:
> >>
> >> Krygowski's well known "friend," he refuses to name.
> >>
> > He's under no obligation to relate any information to you,
> ...and neither is Mr Kinich.
Kunich, and Lou has asked and although I was under the impression that I had mentioned it many time, the road I was dropping cars on was Palomares Road. The south entrance is pretty moderate with 10% sections here and there but the north entrance starts at 7 and 8% for a couple of kilometers. Goes to 9% for a kilometer, 10% for a kilometer then 11% for a kilometer then as you break over the top it goes to 12%. I hear there are a couple of bumps on the climb which are 14% but that is only for 10 meters or so and my Garmin reacts too slowly to show that. I don't drop cars there anymore because I have had an attack of good sense.

On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 8:56:48 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 11:14:00 AM UTC-8, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> > On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 10:31:53 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> > <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 12:57:27?PM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Krygowski's well known "friend," he refuses to name.
> > >>
> > > He's under no obligation to relate any information to you,
> > ...and neither is Mr Kinich.
> Kunich, and Lou has asked and although I was under the impression that I had mentioned it many time, the road I was dropping cars on was Palomares Road. The south entrance is pretty moderate with 10% sections here and there but the north entrance starts at 7 and 8% for a couple of kilometers. Goes to 9% for a kilometer, 10% for a kilometer then 11% for a kilometer then as you break over the top it goes to 12%. I hear there are a couple of bumps on the climb which are 14% but that is only for 10 meters or so and my Garmin reacts too slowly to show that. I don't drop cars there anymore because I have had an attack of good sense.

This one?
https://veloviewer.com/segment/809073/Palomares+Road+from+Niles+Canyon+%28Low-Key+Hillclimbs%29

Lou.

On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 11:56:46 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>I was under the impression that I had mentioned it many time, the road I was dropping cars on was Palomares Road.

Amazing. Tom did mention Palomeres Rd 26 times:
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/search?q=Palomares+author%3ATom+author%3AKunich>
However, almost every link is about climbing and not about a high
speed descent. I didn't check every link, but the only references I
could find that mentioned downhill on Palomares Rd were those in this
thread.

<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Wt95T4jv-U0/m/vfidZioTAQAJ>
Tom switches between Palomeres Rd and Niles Canyon so I can't tell
which one he's discussing. However, he does mention grades of 10% and
15% for climbing. No mention of descent.

"Sunol - Palomares - Dublin Grade"
<https://www.strava.com/routes/104622>
The steepest grade I could find is 10.3%

<https://bayarearides.com/rides/palomares/>
"Other than the insides of a few curves where the grade touches 10 or
11 percent, the highest average grade you experience during these
steeper parts is 9%, and this is always in stretches of less than a
quarter mile at a time, between which the grade eases back a tick or
two."
--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 1/1/2024 1:31 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 12:57:27 PM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>
>> Krygowski's well known "friend," he refuses to name.
>>
> He's under no obligation to relate any information to you, even if he did you accuse him of bragging
>
> Frank: I worked with a guy that did this-and-that
> dumbass: that's a lie
> Frank: his name was So and So
> dumbass: you're just bragging
>
> Floriduh dumbass, making the dumbshine state proud.

Asking the location of a public road is far different than asking me to
publicly post the name of a private individual and expose him to the
abuse common here.

And I note that my desire to protect my friend's confidentiality is
being mocked by an anonymous poster! How's that for irony?

However, I have given the name of my gun designer friend, plus other
info on him, to a couple interested people on this list whom I trust
will not broadcast that info.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 16:16:33 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 1/1/2024 1:31 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 12:57:27?PM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>>
>>> Krygowski's well known "friend," he refuses to name.
>>>
>> He's under no obligation to relate any information to you, even if he did you accuse him of bragging
>>
>> Frank: I worked with a guy that did this-and-that
>> dumbass: that's a lie
>> Frank: his name was So and So
>> dumbass: you're just bragging
>>
>> Floriduh dumbass, making the dumbshine state proud.
>
>Asking the location of a public road is far different than asking me to
>publicly post the name of a private individual and expose him to the
>abuse common here.

You already said he was well known, so why keep his name hidden?

>And I note that my desire to protect my friend's confidentiality is
>being mocked by an anonymous poster! How's that for irony?

Of course, I don't post any references to well known [imaginary]
people, either.

>However, I have given the name of my gun designer friend, plus other
>info on him, to a couple interested people on this list whom I trust
>will not broadcast that info.

<EYEROLL> Another undocumented claim to support the first undocumented
claim.

On Mon, 01 Jan 2024 16:31:23 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

>On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 16:16:33 -0500, Frank Krygowski
><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>On 1/1/2024 1:31 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 12:57:27?PM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Krygowski's well known "friend," he refuses to name.
>>>>
>>> He's under no obligation to relate any information to you, even if he did you accuse him of bragging
>>>
>>> Frank: I worked with a guy that did this-and-that
>>> dumbass: that's a lie
>>> Frank: his name was So and So
>>> dumbass: you're just bragging
>>>
>>> Floriduh dumbass, making the dumbshine state proud.
>>
>>Asking the location of a public road is far different than asking me to
>>publicly post the name of a private individual and expose him to the
>>abuse common here.
>
>You already said he was well known, so why keep his name hidden?
>
>>And I note that my desire to protect my friend's confidentiality is
>>being mocked by an anonymous poster! How's that for irony?
>
>Of course, I don't post any references to well known [imaginary]
>people, either.
>
>>However, I have given the name of my gun designer friend, plus other
>>info on him, to a couple interested people on this list whom I trust
>>will not broadcast that info.
>
><EYEROLL> Another undocumented claim to support the first undocumented
>claim.

Strange logic. Is there something shameful about designing guns?

After all Frank is identified by his previous employer, he was
identified as a member if some sort of "safety" group (sorry I didn't
keep the reference). He is even identified by OfficalUSA , including
address, dependent's names and even telephone
numbers. ( https://www.officialusa.com/names/Frank-Krygowski/ }

But a guy working for, Sturm Ruger (would it be?), is a deep dark
secret.

Or perhaps he only exists in Frank's imagination and therefore must be
kept a secret from all?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 02 Jan 2024 07:12:51 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 01 Jan 2024 16:31:23 -0500, Catrike Ryder
><Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 16:16:33 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On 1/1/2024 1:31 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 12:57:27?PM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Krygowski's well known "friend," he refuses to name.
>>>>>
>>>> He's under no obligation to relate any information to you, even if he did you accuse him of bragging
>>>>
>>>> Frank: I worked with a guy that did this-and-that
>>>> dumbass: that's a lie
>>>> Frank: his name was So and So
>>>> dumbass: you're just bragging
>>>>
>>>> Floriduh dumbass, making the dumbshine state proud.
>>>
>>>Asking the location of a public road is far different than asking me to
>>>publicly post the name of a private individual and expose him to the
>>>abuse common here.
>>
>>You already said he was well known, so why keep his name hidden?
>>
>>>And I note that my desire to protect my friend's confidentiality is
>>>being mocked by an anonymous poster! How's that for irony?
>>
>>Of course, I don't post any references to well known [imaginary]
>>people, either.
>>
>>>However, I have given the name of my gun designer friend, plus other
>>>info on him, to a couple interested people on this list whom I trust
>>>will not broadcast that info.
>>
>><EYEROLL> Another undocumented claim to support the first undocumented
>>claim.
>
>Strange logic. Is there something shameful about designing guns?
>
>After all Frank is identified by his previous employer, he was
>identified as a member if some sort of "safety" group (sorry I didn't
>keep the reference). He is even identified by OfficalUSA , including
>address, dependent's names and even telephone
>numbers. ( https://www.officialusa.com/names/Frank-Krygowski/ }
>
>But a guy working for, Sturm Ruger (would it be?), is a deep dark
>secret.
>
>Or perhaps he only exists in Frank's imagination and therefore must be
>kept a secret from all?

Perhaps?

On Mon, 01 Jan 2024 19:57:15 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

>On Tue, 02 Jan 2024 07:12:51 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 01 Jan 2024 16:31:23 -0500, Catrike Ryder
>><Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 16:16:33 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 1/1/2024 1:31 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 12:57:27?PM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Krygowski's well known "friend," he refuses to name.
>>>>>>
>>>>> He's under no obligation to relate any information to you, even if he did you accuse him of bragging
>>>>>
>>>>> Frank: I worked with a guy that did this-and-that
>>>>> dumbass: that's a lie
>>>>> Frank: his name was So and So
>>>>> dumbass: you're just bragging
>>>>>
>>>>> Floriduh dumbass, making the dumbshine state proud.
>>>>
>>>>Asking the location of a public road is far different than asking me to
>>>>publicly post the name of a private individual and expose him to the
>>>>abuse common here.
>>>
>>>You already said he was well known, so why keep his name hidden?
>>>
>>>>And I note that my desire to protect my friend's confidentiality is
>>>>being mocked by an anonymous poster! How's that for irony?
>>>
>>>Of course, I don't post any references to well known [imaginary]
>>>people, either.
>>>
>>>>However, I have given the name of my gun designer friend, plus other
>>>>info on him, to a couple interested people on this list whom I trust
>>>>will not broadcast that info.
>>>
>>><EYEROLL> Another undocumented claim to support the first undocumented
>>>claim.
>>
>>Strange logic. Is there something shameful about designing guns?
>>
>>After all Frank is identified by his previous employer, he was
>>identified as a member if some sort of "safety" group (sorry I didn't
>>keep the reference). He is even identified by OfficalUSA , including
>>address, dependent's names and even telephone
>>numbers. ( https://www.officialusa.com/names/Frank-Krygowski/ }
>>
>>But a guy working for, Sturm Ruger (would it be?), is a deep dark
>>secret.
>>
>>Or perhaps he only exists in Frank's imagination and therefore must be
>>kept a secret from all?
>
>Perhaps?

Even more condemning is the fact that the names of people who working
for Sturm Ruger who designed or invented devices are freely available.
See:
https://patents.justia.com/assignee/sturm-ruger-company-inc

Tom Krygowski ???
--
Cheers,

John B.

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 10:31:53 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 12:57:27?PM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>>
>>> Krygowski's well known "friend," he refuses to name.
>>>
>> He's under no obligation to relate any information to you,
>
> ...and neither is Mr Kinich.
>

He’s quite happy to name various roads that he enjoys riding, and yes he’s
at no obligation to name the hill, but equally no one is likely to believe
his claims even yourself I suspect as he can’t back it up.

And it’s beyond what is probable.

Roger Merriman

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 11:56:46 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I was under the impression that I had mentioned it many time, the road I
>> was dropping cars on was Palomares Road.
>
> Amazing. Tom did mention Palomeres Rd 26 times:
> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/search?q=Palomares+author%3ATom+author%3AKunich>
> However, almost every link is about climbing and not about a high
> speed descent. I didn't check every link, but the only references I
> could find that mentioned downhill on Palomares Rd were those in this
> thread.
>
> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Wt95T4jv-U0/m/vfidZioTAQAJ>
> Tom switches between Palomeres Rd and Niles Canyon so I can't tell
> which one he's discussing. However, he does mention grades of 10% and
> 15% for climbing. No mention of descent.
>
> "Sunol - Palomares - Dublin Grade"
> <https://www.strava.com/routes/104622>
> The steepest grade I could find is 10.3%
>
> <https://bayarearides.com/rides/palomares/>
> "Other than the insides of a few curves where the grade touches 10 or
> 11 percent, the highest average grade you experience during these
> steeper parts is 9%, and this is always in stretches of less than a
> quarter mile at a time, between which the grade eases back a tick or
> two."

For fairly obvious reasons hills consistently in double digits for any
distance ie few miles/km are quite rare I struggle to think of any to be
honest, are hills that average that but will ramp up to 20/30% number of
hill climbs in the Uk Lakes district do this.

Get shorter very steep hills about but frankly aren’t going to hit high
speeds down those high disk rotor temps possibly but not speeds.

Roger Merriman

On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 4:31:28 PM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 16:16:33 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >On 1/1/2024 1:31 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 12:57:27?PM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Krygowski's well known "friend," he refuses to name.
> >>>
> >> He's under no obligation to relate any information to you, even if he did you accuse him of bragging
> >>
> >> Frank: I worked with a guy that did this-and-that
> >> dumbass: that's a lie
> >> Frank: his name was So and So
> >> dumbass: you're just bragging
> >>
> >> Floriduh dumbass, making the dumbshine state proud.
> >
> >Asking the location of a public road is far different than asking me to
> >publicly post the name of a private individual and expose him to the
> >abuse common here.
> You already said he was well known, so why keep his name hidden?

Yup, you really are that much of a dumbass. You ask a question that was answered in the statement you're questioning. More dumbshine state logic.

> >And I note that my desire to protect my friend's confidentiality is
> >being mocked by an anonymous poster! How's that for irony?
> Of course, I don't post any references to well known [imaginary]
> people, either.

Because you don't have any to reference.

> >However, I have given the name of my gun designer friend, plus other
> >info on him, to a couple interested people on this list whom I trust
> >will not broadcast that info.
> <EYEROLL> Another undocumented claim to support the first undocumented
> claim.

Frank: I worked with a guy that did this-and-that
dumbass: that's a lie
Frank: his name was So and So
dumbass: you're just bragging

Yet more dumbshine state logic.

On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 11:40:40 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Jan 2024 19:57:15 -0500, Catrike Ryder
> <Sol...@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 02 Jan 2024 07:12:51 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>On Mon, 01 Jan 2024 16:31:23 -0500, Catrike Ryder
> >><Sol...@old.bikers.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 16:16:33 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> >>><frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On 1/1/2024 1:31 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 12:57:27?PM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Krygowski's well known "friend," he refuses to name.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> He's under no obligation to relate any information to you, even if he did you accuse him of bragging
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Frank: I worked with a guy that did this-and-that
> >>>>> dumbass: that's a lie
> >>>>> Frank: his name was So and So
> >>>>> dumbass: you're just bragging
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Floriduh dumbass, making the dumbshine state proud.
> >>>>
> >>>>Asking the location of a public road is far different than asking me to
> >>>>publicly post the name of a private individual and expose him to the
> >>>>abuse common here.
> >>>
> >>>You already said he was well known, so why keep his name hidden?
> >>>
> >>>>And I note that my desire to protect my friend's confidentiality is
> >>>>being mocked by an anonymous poster! How's that for irony?
> >>>
> >>>Of course, I don't post any references to well known [imaginary]
> >>>people, either.
> >>>
> >>>>However, I have given the name of my gun designer friend, plus other
> >>>>info on him, to a couple interested people on this list whom I trust
> >>>>will not broadcast that info.
> >>>
> >>><EYEROLL> Another undocumented claim to support the first undocumented
> >>>claim.
> >>
> >>Strange logic. Is there something shameful about designing guns?
> >>
> >>After all Frank is identified by his previous employer, he was
> >>identified as a member if some sort of "safety" group (sorry I didn't
> >>keep the reference). He is even identified by OfficalUSA , including
> >>address, dependent's names and even telephone
> >>numbers. ( https://www.officialusa.com/names/Frank-Krygowski/ }
> >>
> >>But a guy working for, Sturm Ruger (would it be?), is a deep dark
> >>secret.
> >>
> >>Or perhaps he only exists in Frank's imagination and therefore must be
> >>kept a secret from all?
> >
> >Perhaps?
> Even more condemning

"condemning"?

> is the fact that the names of people who working
> for Sturm Ruger who designed or invented devices are freely available.
> See:
> https://patents.justia.com/assignee/sturm-ruger-company-inc
>
> Tom Krygowski ???
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 7:46:32 AM UTC-5, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 11:56:46 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I was under the impression that I had mentioned it many time, the road I
> >> was dropping cars on was Palomares Road.
> >
> > Amazing. Tom did mention Palomeres Rd 26 times:
> > <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/search?q=Palomares+author%3ATom+author%3AKunich>
> > However, almost every link is about climbing and not about a high
> > speed descent. I didn't check every link, but the only references I
> > could find that mentioned downhill on Palomares Rd were those in this
> > thread.
> >
> > <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Wt95T4jv-U0/m/vfidZioTAQAJ>
> > Tom switches between Palomeres Rd and Niles Canyon so I can't tell
> > which one he's discussing. However, he does mention grades of 10% and
> > 15% for climbing. No mention of descent.
> >
> > "Sunol - Palomares - Dublin Grade"
> > <https://www.strava.com/routes/104622>
> > The steepest grade I could find is 10.3%
> >
> > <https://bayarearides.com/rides/palomares/>
> > "Other than the insides of a few curves where the grade touches 10 or
> > 11 percent, the highest average grade you experience during these
> > steeper parts is 9%, and this is always in stretches of less than a
> > quarter mile at a time, between which the grade eases back a tick or
> > two."
> For fairly obvious reasons hills consistently in double digits for any
> distance ie few miles/km are quite rare I struggle to think of any to be
> honest, are hills that average that but will ramp up to 20/30% number of
> hill climbs in the Uk Lakes district do this.
>
> Get shorter very steep hills about but frankly aren’t going to hit high
> speeds down those high disk rotor temps possibly but not speeds.

Well, I guess if a 30 something active racer can hit 65 on the steepest downhill section, our 78 year old tommy with his TBI and balance prblems can do it too...
https://www.strava.com/activities/2627949200#65886918281

>
> Roger Merriman

funkma...@hotmail.com <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 7:46:32 AM UTC-5, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 11:56:46 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was under the impression that I had mentioned it many time, the road I
>>>> was dropping cars on was Palomares Road.
>>>
>>> Amazing. Tom did mention Palomeres Rd 26 times:
>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/search?q=Palomares+author%3ATom+author%3AKunich>
>>>
>>> However, almost every link is about climbing and not about a high
>>> speed descent. I didn't check every link, but the only references I
>>> could find that mentioned downhill on Palomares Rd were those in this
>>> thread.
>>>
>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Wt95T4jv-U0/m/vfidZioTAQAJ>
>>> Tom switches between Palomeres Rd and Niles Canyon so I can't tell
>>> which one he's discussing. However, he does mention grades of 10% and
>>> 15% for climbing. No mention of descent.
>>>
>>> "Sunol - Palomares - Dublin Grade"
>>> <https://www.strava.com/routes/104622>
>>> The steepest grade I could find is 10.3%
>>>
>>> <https://bayarearides.com/rides/palomares/>
>>> "Other than the insides of a few curves where the grade touches 10 or
>>> 11 percent, the highest average grade you experience during these
>>> steeper parts is 9%, and this is always in stretches of less than a
>>> quarter mile at a time, between which the grade eases back a tick or
>>> two."
>> For fairly obvious reasons hills consistently in double digits for any
>> distance ie few miles/km are quite rare I struggle to think of any to be
>> honest, are hills that average that but will ramp up to 20/30% number of
>> hill climbs in the Uk Lakes district do this.
>>
>> Get shorter very steep hills about but frankly aren’t going to hit high
>> speeds down those high disk rotor temps possibly but not speeds.
>
> Well, I guess if a 30 something active racer can hit 65 on the steepest
> downhill section, our 78 year old tommy with his TBI and balance prblems can do it too...
> https://www.strava.com/activities/2627949200#65886918281
>
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>

Well indeed and that would of been fairly exceptional for him as well, of
the 11 rides the segment registers this year they are between 40-20 mph
even the racer the 65mph was peak not average so possibly a blip though
averaged 50 something and the speed curve is gentle curves up to 65mph and
then curves down, so looks believable.

Roger Merriman

On Tue, 02 Jan 2024 11:40:33 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 01 Jan 2024 19:57:15 -0500, Catrike Ryder
><Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 02 Jan 2024 07:12:51 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 01 Jan 2024 16:31:23 -0500, Catrike Ryder
>>><Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 16:16:33 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 1/1/2024 1:31 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 12:57:27?PM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Krygowski's well known "friend," he refuses to name.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> He's under no obligation to relate any information to you, even if he did you accuse him of bragging
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Frank: I worked with a guy that did this-and-that
>>>>>> dumbass: that's a lie
>>>>>> Frank: his name was So and So
>>>>>> dumbass: you're just bragging
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Floriduh dumbass, making the dumbshine state proud.
>>>>>
>>>>>Asking the location of a public road is far different than asking me to
>>>>>publicly post the name of a private individual and expose him to the
>>>>>abuse common here.
>>>>
>>>>You already said he was well known, so why keep his name hidden?
>>>>
>>>>>And I note that my desire to protect my friend's confidentiality is
>>>>>being mocked by an anonymous poster! How's that for irony?
>>>>
>>>>Of course, I don't post any references to well known [imaginary]
>>>>people, either.
>>>>
>>>>>However, I have given the name of my gun designer friend, plus other
>>>>>info on him, to a couple interested people on this list whom I trust
>>>>>will not broadcast that info.
>>>>
>>>><EYEROLL> Another undocumented claim to support the first undocumented
>>>>claim.
>>>
>>>Strange logic. Is there something shameful about designing guns?
>>>
>>>After all Frank is identified by his previous employer, he was
>>>identified as a member if some sort of "safety" group (sorry I didn't
>>>keep the reference). He is even identified by OfficalUSA , including
>>>address, dependent's names and even telephone
>>>numbers. ( https://www.officialusa.com/names/Frank-Krygowski/ }
>>>
>>>But a guy working for, Sturm Ruger (would it be?), is a deep dark
>>>secret.
>>>
>>>Or perhaps he only exists in Frank's imagination and therefore must be
>>>kept a secret from all?
>>
>>Perhaps?
>
>Even more condemning is the fact that the names of people who working
>for Sturm Ruger who designed or invented devices are freely available.
>See:
>https://patents.justia.com/assignee/sturm-ruger-company-inc
>
>Tom Krygowski ???

It takes a lot of gall for someone with a history of countless
undocumented stories to demand that others back up their anecdotes. My
first encounter with him is an example.

*****************************************************************
OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader
insults.)

How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years
commuting to work by bike on normal roads? How much other utility
riding have you done on ordinary roads? How much overnight or longer
traveling have you done on normal roads? How much bike camping? How
many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many foreign countries? How
many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led
friends on road rides? How many times have you organized and run
multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?

Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your
courage and experience really are more than mine."

- Frank Krygowski

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/mmxzneaxsdE/m/qVoI4KQlAQAJ

On Tue, 02 Jan 2024 12:46:28 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>> On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 10:31:53 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 12:57:27?PM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Krygowski's well known "friend," he refuses to name.
>>>>
>>> He's under no obligation to relate any information to you,
>>
>> ...and neither is Mr Kinich.
>>
>
>He’s quite happy to name various roads that he enjoys riding, and yes he’s
>at no obligation to name the hill, but equally no one is likely to believe
>his claims even yourself I suspect as he can’t back it up.
>
>And it’s beyond what is probable.
>
>Roger Merriman

His stories are what they are, but he doesn't use them to bolster his
qualifications to tell others what they should do.

On Tue, 02 Jan 2024 09:25:37 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

>On Tue, 02 Jan 2024 11:40:33 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 01 Jan 2024 19:57:15 -0500, Catrike Ryder
>><Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 02 Jan 2024 07:12:51 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 01 Jan 2024 16:31:23 -0500, Catrike Ryder
>>>><Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 16:16:33 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On 1/1/2024 1:31 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 12:57:27?PM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Krygowski's well known "friend," he refuses to name.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He's under no obligation to relate any information to you, even if he did you accuse him of bragging
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Frank: I worked with a guy that did this-and-that
>>>>>>> dumbass: that's a lie
>>>>>>> Frank: his name was So and So
>>>>>>> dumbass: you're just bragging
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Floriduh dumbass, making the dumbshine state proud.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Asking the location of a public road is far different than asking me to
>>>>>>publicly post the name of a private individual and expose him to the
>>>>>>abuse common here.
>>>>>
>>>>>You already said he was well known, so why keep his name hidden?
>>>>>
>>>>>>And I note that my desire to protect my friend's confidentiality is
>>>>>>being mocked by an anonymous poster! How's that for irony?
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course, I don't post any references to well known [imaginary]
>>>>>people, either.
>>>>>
>>>>>>However, I have given the name of my gun designer friend, plus other
>>>>>>info on him, to a couple interested people on this list whom I trust
>>>>>>will not broadcast that info.
>>>>>
>>>>><EYEROLL> Another undocumented claim to support the first undocumented
>>>>>claim.
>>>>
>>>>Strange logic. Is there something shameful about designing guns?
>>>>
>>>>After all Frank is identified by his previous employer, he was
>>>>identified as a member if some sort of "safety" group (sorry I didn't
>>>>keep the reference). He is even identified by OfficalUSA , including
>>>>address, dependent's names and even telephone
>>>>numbers. ( https://www.officialusa.com/names/Frank-Krygowski/ }
>>>>
>>>>But a guy working for, Sturm Ruger (would it be?), is a deep dark
>>>>secret.
>>>>
>>>>Or perhaps he only exists in Frank's imagination and therefore must be
>>>>kept a secret from all?
>>>
>>>Perhaps?
>>
>>Even more condemning is the fact that the names of people who working
>>for Sturm Ruger who designed or invented devices are freely available.
>>See:
>>https://patents.justia.com/assignee/sturm-ruger-company-inc
>>
>>Tom Krygowski ???
>
>It takes a lot of gall for someone with a history of countless
>undocumented stories to demand that others back up their anecdotes. My
>first encounter with him is an example.
>
>
>*****************************************************************
>OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader
>insults.)
>
>How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years
>commuting to work by bike on normal roads? How much other utility
>riding have you done on ordinary roads? How much overnight or longer
>traveling have you done on normal roads? How much bike camping? How
>many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many foreign countries? How
>many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
>100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led
>friends on road rides? How many times have you organized and run
>multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
>
>Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your
>courage and experience really are more than mine."
>
>- Frank Krygowski
>
>https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/mmxzneaxsdE/m/qVoI4KQlAQAJ
>
:-) As I pointed out, Frank has spent his entire life going what a
little 6 year old Thai girl can do.

And bragging about it.

Sort of pathetic.
--
Cheers,

John B.

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Jan 2024 12:46:28 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 10:31:53 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 12:57:27?PM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Krygowski's well known "friend," he refuses to name.
>>>>>
>>>> He's under no obligation to relate any information to you,
>>>
>>> ...and neither is Mr Kinich.
>>>
>>
>> He’s quite happy to name various roads that he enjoys riding, and yes he’s
>> at no obligation to name the hill, but equally no one is likely to believe
>> his claims even yourself I suspect as he can’t back it up.
>>
>> And it’s beyond what is probable.
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>
> His stories are what they are, but he doesn't use them to bolster his
> qualifications to tell others what they should do.
>

Just because it would mean being in agreement with Frank doesn’t make it
wrong.

Roger Merriman

On Tue, 2 Jan 2024 05:12:30 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 11:40:40?PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Mon, 01 Jan 2024 19:57:15 -0500, Catrike Ryder
>> <Sol...@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tue, 02 Jan 2024 07:12:51 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Mon, 01 Jan 2024 16:31:23 -0500, Catrike Ryder
>> >><Sol...@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 16:16:33 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> >>><frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>On 1/1/2024 1:31 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> >>>>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 12:57:27?PM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Krygowski's well known "friend," he refuses to name.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> He's under no obligation to relate any information to you, even if he did you accuse him of bragging
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Frank: I worked with a guy that did this-and-that
>> >>>>> dumbass: that's a lie
>> >>>>> Frank: his name was So and So
>> >>>>> dumbass: you're just bragging
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Floriduh dumbass, making the dumbshine state proud.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Asking the location of a public road is far different than asking me to
>> >>>>publicly post the name of a private individual and expose him to the
>> >>>>abuse common here.
>> >>>
>> >>>You already said he was well known, so why keep his name hidden?
>> >>>
>> >>>>And I note that my desire to protect my friend's confidentiality is
>> >>>>being mocked by an anonymous poster! How's that for irony?
>> >>>
>> >>>Of course, I don't post any references to well known [imaginary]
>> >>>people, either.
>> >>>
>> >>>>However, I have given the name of my gun designer friend, plus other
>> >>>>info on him, to a couple interested people on this list whom I trust
>> >>>>will not broadcast that info.
>> >>>
>> >>><EYEROLL> Another undocumented claim to support the first undocumented
>> >>>claim.
>> >>
>> >>Strange logic. Is there something shameful about designing guns?
>> >>
>> >>After all Frank is identified by his previous employer, he was
>> >>identified as a member if some sort of "safety" group (sorry I didn't
>> >>keep the reference). He is even identified by OfficalUSA , including
>> >>address, dependent's names and even telephone
>> >>numbers. ( https://www.officialusa.com/names/Frank-Krygowski/ }
>> >>
>> >>But a guy working for, Sturm Ruger (would it be?), is a deep dark
>> >>secret.
>> >>
>> >>Or perhaps he only exists in Frank's imagination and therefore must be
>> >>kept a secret from all?
>> >
>> >Perhaps?
>> Even more condemning
>
>"condemning"?

YUP. I keep complaining about this spelling checker but nobody does
anything about it.

>
>> is the fact that the names of people who working
>> for Sturm Ruger who designed or invented devices are freely available.
>> See:
>> https://patents.justia.com/assignee/sturm-ruger-company-inc
>>
>> Tom Krygowski ???
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John B.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 02 Jan 2024 15:01:14 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>> On Tue, 02 Jan 2024 12:46:28 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 10:31:53 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 12:57:27?PM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Krygowski's well known "friend," he refuses to name.
>>>>>>
>>>>> He's under no obligation to relate any information to you,
>>>>
>>>> ...and neither is Mr Kinich.
>>>>
>>>
>>> He?s quite happy to name various roads that he enjoys riding, and yes he?s
>>> at no obligation to name the hill, but equally no one is likely to believe
>>> his claims even yourself I suspect as he can?t back it up.
>>>
>>> And it?s beyond what is probable.
>>>
>>> Roger Merriman
>>
>> His stories are what they are, but he doesn't use them to bolster his
>> qualifications to tell others what they should do.
>>
>
>Just because it would mean being in agreement with Frank doesn’t make it
>wrong.
>
>Roger Merriman

Of course not, in fact, I agree with Frank about some things, bicycle
helmets, for instance.

On 1/2/2024 9:29 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Jan 2024 12:46:28 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 10:31:53 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 12:57:27?PM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Krygowski's well known "friend," he refuses to name.
>>>>>
>>>> He's under no obligation to relate any information to you,
>>>
>>> ...and neither is Mr Kinich.
>>>
>>
>> He’s quite happy to name various roads that he enjoys riding, and yes he’s
>> at no obligation to name the hill, but equally no one is likely to believe
>> his claims even yourself I suspect as he can’t back it up.
>>
>> And it’s beyond what is probable.
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>
> His stories are what they are, but he doesn't use them to bolster his
> qualifications to tell others what they should do.

?!?!?!?!?

What fucking planet have you been on? Tom doesn't use his stories to
tell other people what they should do?

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/uWNg4H0YVv0/m/v8r0Nxt1AwAJ

"Now I don't want to insult Lou, but someone that comes from a country
that averages 2 meters below sea level should not be talking abput
descending speeds."

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/BgrXH53qeoE/m/Mx8DusANAgAJ
"Good wheels are so available and so cheap that it is foolish to build
you own"

Then there's this little gem of him 'not telling others what they should
do':
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/BiQ7F874tP8/m/Z3r6uQcbAAAJ
"You really should not want to be associated with Krygowski and the
others that are here only to argue"
"Stop associating yourself with these people because they sound
reasonable to you."

Why do you constantly parade your willful ignorance?

dumbass.

On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 7:20:41 AM UTC-8, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Jan 2024 15:01:14 GMT, Roger Merriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Catrike Ryder <Sol...@old.bikers.org> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 02 Jan 2024 12:46:28 GMT, Roger Merriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Catrike Ryder <Sol...@old.bikers.org> wrote:
> >>>> On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 10:31:53 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 12:57:27?PM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Krygowski's well known "friend," he refuses to name.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> He's under no obligation to relate any information to you,
> >>>>
> >>>> ...and neither is Mr Kinich.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> He?s quite happy to name various roads that he enjoys riding, and yes he?s
> >>> at no obligation to name the hill, but equally no one is likely to believe
> >>> his claims even yourself I suspect as he can?t back it up.
> >>>
> >>> And it?s beyond what is probable.
> >>>
> >>> Roger Merriman
> >>
> >> His stories are what they are, but he doesn't use them to bolster his
> >> qualifications to tell others what they should do.
> >>
> >
> >Just because it would mean being in agreement with Frank doesn’t make it
> >wrong.
> >
> >Roger Merriman
> Of course not, in fact, I agree with Frank about some things, bicycle
> helmets, for instance.

Frank doesn't just dislike using helmets himself, he thinks that no one should wear a helmet. While I agree that helmets don't save lives, they do prevent or lessen minor injuries. As a trike ride you have no need for one.

On Tue, 2 Jan 2024 12:12:03 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 7:20:41?AM UTC-8, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> On Tue, 02 Jan 2024 15:01:14 GMT, Roger Merriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Catrike Ryder <Sol...@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 02 Jan 2024 12:46:28 GMT, Roger Merriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Catrike Ryder <Sol...@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>> >>>> On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 10:31:53 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> >>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 12:57:27?PM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Krygowski's well known "friend," he refuses to name.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> He's under no obligation to relate any information to you,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ...and neither is Mr Kinich.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> He?s quite happy to name various roads that he enjoys riding, and yes he?s
>> >>> at no obligation to name the hill, but equally no one is likely to believe
>> >>> his claims even yourself I suspect as he can?t back it up.
>> >>>
>> >>> And it?s beyond what is probable.
>> >>>
>> >>> Roger Merriman
>> >>
>> >> His stories are what they are, but he doesn't use them to bolster his
>> >> qualifications to tell others what they should do.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Just because it would mean being in agreement with Frank doesn’t make it
>> >wrong.
>> >
>> >Roger Merriman
>> Of course not, in fact, I agree with Frank about some things, bicycle
>> helmets, for instance.
>
>Frank doesn't just dislike using helmets himself, he thinks that no one should wear a helmet. While I agree that helmets don't save lives, they do prevent or lessen minor injuries. As a trike ride you have no need for one.

I guess I differ from him in that I prefer not to interfere in other
people's decisions when they don't affect me.

On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 8:22:06 AM UTC-8, zen cycle wrote:
> On 1/2/2024 9:29 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
> > On Tue, 02 Jan 2024 12:46:28 GMT, Roger Merriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Catrike Ryder <Sol...@old.bikers.org> wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 10:31:53 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 12:57:27?PM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Krygowski's well known "friend," he refuses to name.
> >>>>>
> >>>> He's under no obligation to relate any information to you,
> >>>
> >>> ...and neither is Mr Kinich.
> >>>
> >>
> >> He’s quite happy to name various roads that he enjoys riding, and yes he’s
> >> at no obligation to name the hill, but equally no one is likely to believe
> >> his claims even yourself I suspect as he can’t back it up.
> >>
> >> And it’s beyond what is probable.
> >>
> >> Roger Merriman
> >
> > His stories are what they are, but he doesn't use them to bolster his
> > qualifications to tell others what they should do.
> ?!?!?!?!?
>
> What fucking planet have you been on? Tom doesn't use his stories to
> tell other people what they should do?
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/uWNg4H0YVv0/m/v8r0Nxt1AwAJ
> "Now I don't want to insult Lou, but someone that comes from a country
> that averages 2 meters below sea level should not be talking abput
> descending speeds."
> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/BgrXH53qeoE/m/Mx8DusANAgAJ
> "Good wheels are so available and so cheap that it is foolish to build
> you own"
>
>
> Then there's this little gem of him 'not telling others what they should
> do':
> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/BiQ7F874tP8/m/Z3r6uQcbAAAJ
> "You really should not want to be associated with Krygowski and the
> others that are here only to argue"
> "Stop associating yourself with these people because they sound
> reasonable to you."
>
> Why do you constantly parade your willful ignorance?
>
> dumbass.
I think that you should build youe own 36 spoke wheels. Thzat will really help your "CX because you like it."

On 1/2/2024 3:12 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> Frank doesn't just dislike using helmets himself, he thinks that no one should wear a helmet.

Tom, you really should try responding to what I've actually said, rather
than what you pretend or imagine I've said. You're almost 100%
consistent about misstating my positions.

Try giving direct quotes, and/or links to my statements people can see
what I've actually said, and in what context.

--
- Frank Krygowski