On 8/6/2023 5:25 AM, Ace wrote:
>
>
> Anyway, I don't watch US TV dramas,

I get it. I feel the same way about all these Korean shows.

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On 04/08/2023 23:32 wessie penned these words:
> siwilson <siwilson@nodamnspamn.hotmail.com> wrote in news:kj48quFpfvcU2
> @mid.individual.net:
>
>> On 02/08/2023 16:33, Hog wrote:
>>> lactose intolerance is mostly psychosomatic
>>
>>
>> Not so sure about that one.
>>
>> Certainly one Japanese guy I know used to try with all the Starbucks
>> etc. when he visited the uk, but, without going into detail[1], he
>> definitely had a problem with dairy.
>>
>>
>> [1] checks where he's posting [2]
>> [2] ok, projectile vomiting everywhere
>>
>
> lactose intolerance is very common in E Asia. Hence the lack of dairy
> products in traditional foods in China & Japan [1]
>

Outside of northern European heritage lactose tolerance in adults is not that
common.
--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"

On 06/08/2023 16:38 chrisnd @ukrm penned these words:
> On 05/08/2023 19:04, ogden wrote:
>> Boots wrote:
>>> Conversely I am now having to deal with someone who unwisely decided to self
>>> medicate off statins despite the GP the cardiologist (who is family) and kids
>>> arguing with her. After a year a series of multiple strokes really really fucked
>>> you up and too late back on medication. I'll take my medical advice from
>>> professionals thanks rather then anecdotes.
>>
>> Says a man posting an anecdote.
> heh
>
> Chris
Except I have the prior annual blood tests results, the no drugs ones and the
multiple MRI at different times showing the damage, that would be evidence
rather than feeling a bit wooly.
--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"

On 06/08/2023 09:50, Boots wrote:
> On 04/08/2023 23:32 wessie penned these words:
>> siwilson <siwilson@nodamnspamn.hotmail.com> wrote in news:kj48quFpfvcU2
>> @mid.individual.net:
>>
>>> On 02/08/2023 16:33, Hog wrote:
>>>> lactose intolerance is mostly psychosomatic
>>>
>>>
>>> Not so sure about that one.
>>>
>>> Certainly one Japanese guy I know used to try with all the Starbucks
>>> etc. when he visited the uk, but, without going into detail[1], he
>>> definitely had a problem with dairy.
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] checks where he's posting [2]
>>> [2] ok, projectile vomiting everywhere
>>>
>>
>> lactose intolerance is very common in E Asia. Hence the lack of dairy
>> products in traditional foods in China & Japan [1]
>>
>
> Outside of northern European heritage lactose tolerance in adults is not that
> common.

"Worldwide, around 65% of adults are affected by lactose malabsorption."
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance)

So, au contraire, it is *very* common - which makes it even more
surprising that it is used as a 'filler' in so many tablets - including
ones used to treat 'digestive issues' such as lactose intolerance - yes
seriously!

Chris

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On 04/08/2023 14:58, ogden wrote:
> Pete Fisher wrote:
>> On the gout front - same advice I gave Ogden: avoid purines and in
>> particular sardines (an oily fish I used to overdose on).
>
> Ogden said bollocks to that, and got a prescription for Allopurinol.

Ditto.

chrisnd @ukrm wrote:
> On 06/08/2023 09:50, Boots wrote:
>> Outside of northern European heritage lactose tolerance in adults is not that
>> common.
>
> "Worldwide, around 65% of adults are affected by lactose malabsorption."
> So, au contraire, it is *very* common

Reading comprehension, OTOH.....

Sqirrel99 <secret.sqirrel99@gmail.com> wrote in
news:uavd1m$3q8c6$1@dont-email.me:

> chrisnd @ukrm wrote:
>> On 06/08/2023 09:50, Boots wrote:
>>> Outside of northern European heritage lactose tolerance in adults is
>>> not that common.
>>
>> "Worldwide, around 65% of adults are affected by lactose
>> malabsorption." So, au contraire, it is *very* common
>
> Reading comprehension, OTOH.....
>

I noticed that yesterday ... but decided not to mention it just incase he
thinks I am persecuting his poor grasp of the English Language, after
pointing out his redefinition of status quo last week

On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 05:40:59 -0700 (PDT), Stephen Packer
<stephen.packer@gmail.com> wrote:

>I agree speed of decision making isn't as important away from heavy machinery...
>But what about the ability to work long days (more than 16 hours), skip nights sleep
> etc. Something that I did regularly in my 20s, 30s and 40s but it just got too hard
>in my 50s.

Just on this point - old people need less sleep than young people
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I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On Sun, 06 Aug 2023 12:13:21 +0200, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:

>>If only there
>>were a seafaring sort here who could give a more experienced view.

>Give him a month and Neal will be that expert...

Hah!

I'll know just enough to fake it in a pub conversation, maybe.

However, I do plan to be the expert on mixing G&Ts...

<snip stuff relevant to the thread>
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Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 17:28:45 +0100, Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk>
wrote:

>The UK's and US's health systems are very, very different.

Indisputably

But the thread was started by someone living in Spain, I was
responding to someone (mostly) living in Switzerland, and the pharma
industry is definitely a global industry
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 11:02:50 -0700 (PDT), ogden <eldaifo@gmail.com>
wrote:

>> And, to note,
>> my levels were ridiculously high. I mean a doctor taking a sharp intake of
>> breath isn’t usually a good sign, is it?

>No sharp intake from mine, but a definite double-take and her precise words were "those are the highest numbers I've ever seen".

<Not the Nine O'Clock News>

Dr: we've had the results back from the laboratory, and I'm afraid
they're the worst they've ever seen:

Patient: Oh! Oh dear

Dr: Yes. When you die, have you considered what you might want to
become of your body?

Patient: What, you mean, leave it to science, for research?

Dr: No. I want to hang you in the garden for the blue tits to peck
at
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On Wed, 09 Aug 2023 07:51:33 +0100, Sqirrel99
<secret.sqirrel99@gmail.com> wrote:

>chrisnd @ukrm wrote:
>> On 06/08/2023 09:50, Boots wrote:
>>> Outside of northern European heritage lactose tolerance in adults is not that
>>> common.
>>
>> "Worldwide, around 65% of adults are affected by lactose malabsorption."
>> So, au contraire, it is *very* common

>Reading comprehension, OTOH.....

<applause>
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 18:15:42 +0100, "chrisnd @ukrm"
<chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:

>>> lactose intolerance is very common in E Asia. Hence the lack of dairy
>>> products in traditional foods in China & Japan [1]

>> Outside of northern European heritage lactose tolerance in adults is not that
>> common.

>"Worldwide, around 65% of adults are affected by lactose malabsorption."
>(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance)
>
>So, au contraire, it is *very* common

Perhaps you should consider the difference between tolerance and
intolerance?
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On Wednesday, 9 August 2023 at 12:51:00 UTC+1, Champ wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 05:40:59 -0700 (PDT), Stephen Packer
> <stephen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I agree speed of decision making isn't as important away from heavy machinery...
> >But what about the ability to work long days (more than 16 hours), skip nights sleep
> > etc. Something that I did regularly in my 20s, 30s and 40s but it just got too hard
> >in my 50s.
>
> Just on this point - old people need less sleep than young people

Oh, sure, I probably need less sleep than I did, but the impact of not
getting the sleep I need is far greater than it was 20 years ago.

I can't imagine pulling an 'all nighter' when it was something I often
did in my 20s and 30s when under pressure to deliver.

On 09/08/2023 13:19, Champ wrote:
>On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 18:15:42 +0100, "chrisnd @ukrm"
><chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>>> lactose intolerance is very common in E Asia. Hence the lack of dairy
>>>> products in traditional foods in China & Japan [1]
>
>>> Outside of northern European heritage lactose tolerance in adults is not that
>>> common.
>
>>"Worldwide, around 65% of adults are affected by lactose malabsorption."
>>(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance)
>>
>>So, au contraire, it is *very* common
>
>Perhaps you should consider the difference between tolerance and
>intolerance?

<Homer Simpson mode>.
Doh!
</hsm>
I see now that I was victim of my own speed reading. And replying...

Ooops
(wanders off into sunset etc)

Chris

--
XV750SE & GS550T

On 09/08/2023 12:50, Champ wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 05:40:59 -0700 (PDT), Stephen Packer
> <stephen.packer@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I agree speed of decision making isn't as important away from heavy machinery...
>> But what about the ability to work long days (more than 16 hours), skip nights sleep
>> etc. Something that I did regularly in my 20s, 30s and 40s but it just got too hard
>> in my 50s.
>
> Just on this point - old people need less sleep than young people

Need, or get? I'd certainly want more.
--
Moto Morini 2C/375
Gilera 175 Sport, Husqvarna 401 Svartpilen
Honda CB250RS (Not Waynetta!)
"Do not adjust your mind, there is a fault in the reality"

On Wed, 09 Aug 2023 12:50:58 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

>On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 05:40:59 -0700 (PDT), Stephen Packer
><stephen.packer@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I agree speed of decision making isn't as important away from heavy machinery...
>>But what about the ability to work long days (more than 16 hours), skip nights sleep
>> etc. Something that I did regularly in my 20s, 30s and 40s but it just got too hard
>>in my 50s.
>
>Just on this point - old people need less sleep than young people

Not actually true, from a physiological perspective. Lots of older
people do sleep less, but there are a number of reasons that can
contribute to this, like a less active lifestyle making them less
tired, but also lots of health issues that can make sleeping longer
more difficult.

--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

On Wed, 09 Aug 2023 12:54:09 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

>On Sun, 06 Aug 2023 12:13:21 +0200, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:
>
>>>If only there
>>>were a seafaring sort here who could give a more experienced view.
>
>>Give him a month and Neal will be that expert...
>
>Hah!
>
>I'll know just enough to fake it in a pub conversation, maybe.
>
>However, I do plan to be the expert on mixing G&Ts...

Hold the T on mine, please. Actually, I'll probably be on the Ouzo,
with just a little water and ice, when you guys are on G&Ts, so don't
worry, I'm sure you'll get the hang of it.
--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

On 8/9/2023 4:50 AM, Champ wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 05:40:59 -0700 (PDT), Stephen Packer
> <stephen.packer@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I agree speed of decision making isn't as important away from heavy machinery...
>> But what about the ability to work long days (more than 16 hours), skip nights sleep
>> etc. Something that I did regularly in my 20s, 30s and 40s but it just got too hard
>> in my 50s.
>
> Just on this point - old people need less sleep than young people

It's hard to tell. I rarely sleep more than 2 or 3 hours at a time, but
I do it several times a day.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS & ST1100 (in memoriam)

On 09/08/2023 18:52, Turby wrote:
> On 8/9/2023 4:50 AM, Champ wrote:
>> On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 05:40:59 -0700 (PDT), Stephen Packer
>> <stephen.packer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree speed of decision making isn't as important away from heavy
>>> machinery...
>>> But what about the ability to work long days (more than 16 hours),
>>> skip nights sleep
>>> etc.  Something that I did regularly in my 20s, 30s and 40s but it
>>> just got too hard
>>> in my 50s.
>>
>> Just on this point - old people need less sleep than young people
>
> It's hard to tell. I rarely sleep more than 2 or 3 hours at a time, but
> I do it several times a day.
>

A good strategy if you don't have things to do, places to go, people to see.

Certainly a lot to be said for a post lunch nap.

--
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Gilera 175 Sport, Husqvarna 401 Svartpilen
Honda CB250RS (Not Waynetta!)
"Do not adjust your mind, there is a fault in the reality"

Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote in
news:29k7dipbf0et4q88cgf5o9havh0aoai9p3@4ax.com:

> On Wed, 09 Aug 2023 12:50:58 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 05:40:59 -0700 (PDT), Stephen Packer
>><stephen.packer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I agree speed of decision making isn't as important away from heavy
>>>machinery... But what about the ability to work long days (more than
>>>16 hours), skip nights sleep
>>> etc. Something that I did regularly in my 20s, 30s and 40s but it
>>> just got too hard
>>>in my 50s.
>>
>>Just on this point - old people need less sleep than young people
>
> Not actually true, from a physiological perspective. Lots of older
> people do sleep less, but there are a number of reasons that can
> contribute to this, like a less active lifestyle making them less
> tired, but also lots of health issues that can make sleeping longer
> more difficult.
>

and long naps in the day

On Wednesday, 9 August 2023 at 19:27:40 UTC+1, Pete Fisher wrote:

> Certainly a lot to be said for a post lunch nap.

It seems my employer didn't agree.

On 8/9/2023 11:27 AM, Pete Fisher wrote:
> On 09/08/2023 18:52, Turby wrote:
>> On 8/9/2023 4:50 AM, Champ wrote:
>>> On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 05:40:59 -0700 (PDT), Stephen Packer
>>> <stephen.packer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree speed of decision making isn't as important away from heavy
>>>> machinery...
>>>> But what about the ability to work long days (more than 16 hours),
>>>> skip nights sleep
>>>> etc.  Something that I did regularly in my 20s, 30s and 40s but it
>>>> just got too hard
>>>> in my 50s.
>>>
>>> Just on this point - old people need less sleep than young people
>>
>> It's hard to tell. I rarely sleep more than 2 or 3 hours at a time,
>> but I do it several times a day.
>>
>
> A good strategy if you don't have things to do, places to go, people to
> see.
>
> Certainly a lot to be said for a post lunch nap.
>

Nap. harumph.That word has some derogative connotations, as in something
babies do. I prefer "siesta," which in Hispanic countries around the
world, is a very common and acceptable behavior for adults.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS & ST1100 (in memoriam)

On 09/08/2023 22:21, Stephen Packer wrote:
> On Wednesday, 9 August 2023 at 19:27:40 UTC+1, Pete Fisher wrote:
>
>> Certainly a lot to be said for a post lunch nap.
>
> It seems my employer didn't agree.

Ah, "employer". Gainful employment does tend to interfere with siesta
relaxation.

There was one time after the last day before Xmas lunchtime snifter that
the chair of the Environmental Health committee came in to my office to
find me asleep with my feet on my desk.

"Had a drink have you?"

"Err, yes."

"Happy Christmas to you and your team."

Exited quickly.

--
Moto Morini 2C/375
Gilera 175 Sport, Husqvarna 401 Svartpilen
Honda CB250RS (Not Waynetta!)
"Do not adjust your mind, there is a fault in the reality"

On 10/08/2023 00:11, Turby wrote:
> On 8/9/2023 11:27 AM, Pete Fisher wrote:

>> Certainly a lot to be said for a post lunch nap.
>>
>
> Nap. harumph.That word has some derogative connotations, as in something
> babies do. I prefer "siesta," which in Hispanic countries around the
> world, is a very common and acceptable behavior for adults.
>
>

I use that term because that's what my cheap fitness band with sleep
monitoring uses. Quite informative looking at one's sleep and 'napping'
history.

"Old rocking chair's got me" less since I don't have room for one in the
greenhouse, but the one in the back room with patio doors is seductive
on a warm afternoon.

--
Moto Morini 2C/375
Gilera 175 Sport, Husqvarna 401 Svartpilen
Honda CB250RS (Not Waynetta!)
"Do not adjust your mind, there is a fault in the reality"