On 30/03/2024 21:50, Sam Wilson wrote:
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <uu8o72$u6ub$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:06:26 on Sat, 30 Mar
>> 2024, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>> On 30/03/2024 09:07, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>> In message <uu6fvf$afat$3@dont-email.me>, at 13:33:34 on Fri, 29 Mar
>>>> 2024, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>> On 29/03/2024 09:58, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Thre's absolutely nothing ethnic about it, not least because 99% of
>>>>>> them  are SWASPs.
>>>>>
>>>>> You mean white people aren't ethnic somehow?
>>
>>>> According to the Law Society, only groups such as "Polish or Gypsy,
>>>> Roma and Irish Traveller" are both white and ethnic.
>>>
>>> As ever the law (society) is an ass, though I suspect what it actually
>>> says is that those groups are examples of white ethnic groups, not the
>>> only such groups.
>>
>> I snipped the part of their guidance which is that "White British" is an
>> ethnic group. Because I don't think the earlier assertion that "Vibrant
>> [only] means "Ethnic", was said to in order to confirm people revelling
>> on the riverside - or wherever - were ethnic.
>
> Phew! I was getting a little worried that, despite being British, I wasn’t
> ethnically British.
>

There are those who would claim the White British are not a homogeneous
ethnic group.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On 30/03/2024 21:52, Sam Wilson wrote:
> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 30/03/2024 10:25, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>> Just FYI - the BBC is national.
>>
>> I thought it was in Birmingham…
>
> I thought it was Salford?
>

One of the stupidities is that Current Affairs is in Salford while News
is in London. Sorry, the Birmingham thing is an old in-joke.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

In message <uua1ia$186i3$1@dont-email.me>, at 21:52:10 on Sat, 30 Mar
2024, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:

>>> Just FYI - the BBC is national.
>>
>> I thought it was in Birmingham…
>
>I thought it was Salford?

BBC News (which is more like a magazine programme recently) is broadcast
from two studios - one in Salford Quays and the other on the lower
ground floor of Broadcasting House.
--
Roland Perry

On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 16:08:22 +0000
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>In message <uu8pb9$uhj1$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:25:45 on Sat, 30 Mar
>2024, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>>I wasn't actually talking or even thinking about foxes at all. Talk about
>>moving the goalposts, you dug them up and took them to a different pitch.
>
> >>Anyway, it floated to the bank and eventually, about a day later,
> >>someone unknown fished(sic) it out and put it on the grass verge. It
> >>then took around three days for a suitably qualified person to come
> >>and collect it. (I know all this, because I'd called the people
> >>responsible the first day).
> >
> >You must have fussy foxes where you live. It would be gone here
> >within a few hours.
>
>I'm completely and utterly baffled why you should insist on scoring such
>a spectacular own goal.

Apparently in your oncoming senility you seemed to have forgotten that threads
move on to other topics. Or did you still assume we were also talking about
the C5 tube program as per the subject line?

In message <uudrjh$2ct8a$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:34:57 on Mon, 1 Apr
2024, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 16:08:22 +0000
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>In message <uu8pb9$uhj1$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:25:45 on Sat, 30 Mar
>>2024, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:

>>>I wasn't actually talking or even thinking about foxes at all. Talk about
>>>moving the goalposts, you dug them up and took them to a different pitch.
>>
>> >>Anyway, it floated to the bank and eventually, about a day later,
>> >>someone unknown fished(sic) it out and put it on the grass verge. It
>> >>then took around three days for a suitably qualified person to come
>> >>and collect it. (I know all this, because I'd called the people
>> >>responsible the first day).
>> >
>> >You must have fussy foxes where you live. It would be gone here
>> >within a few hours.
>>
>>I'm completely and utterly baffled why you should insist on scoring such
>>a spectacular own goal.
>
>Apparently in your oncoming senility you seemed to have forgotten that threads
>move on to other topics. Or did you still assume we were also talking about
>the C5 tube program as per the subject line?

I know we are still talking about the episode with the pike removed from
the river. But you are wriggling and squirming to little effect to try
to distract us from that.
--
Roland Perry

On 01/04/2024 09:34, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
> >>Anyway, it floated to the bank and eventually, about a day later,
> >>someone unknown fished(sic) it out and put it on the grass verge. It
> >>then took around three days for a suitably qualified person to come
> >>and collect it. (I know all this, because I'd called the people
> >>responsible the first day).

Reminds me of a story I was told years ago about a body that was found
in a lodge near where I lived. The boundary between two police forces
ran through through the middle of the lodge so it was given a push so it
floated into the other force's area. I think it happened several times
before one of them decided to take responsibility for recording it.

Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 30/03/2024 21:50, Sam Wilson wrote:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <uu8o72$u6ub$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:06:26 on Sat, 30 Mar
>>> 2024, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>> On 30/03/2024 09:07, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>> In message <uu6fvf$afat$3@dont-email.me>, at 13:33:34 on Fri, 29 Mar
>>>>> 2024, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>> On 29/03/2024 09:58, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thre's absolutely nothing ethnic about it, not least because 99% of
>>>>>>> them  are SWASPs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You mean white people aren't ethnic somehow?
>>>
>>>>> According to the Law Society, only groups such as "Polish or Gypsy,
>>>>> Roma and Irish Traveller" are both white and ethnic.
>>>>
>>>> As ever the law (society) is an ass, though I suspect what it actually
>>>> says is that those groups are examples of white ethnic groups, not the
>>>> only such groups.
>>>
>>> I snipped the part of their guidance which is that "White British" is an
>>> ethnic group. Because I don't think the earlier assertion that "Vibrant
>>> [only] means "Ethnic", was said to in order to confirm people revelling
>>> on the riverside - or wherever - were ethnic.
>>
>> Phew! I was getting a little worried that, despite being British, I wasn’t
>> ethnically British.
>>
>
> There are those who would claim the White British are not a homogeneous
> ethnic group.

Too right! All those Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Vikings, Normans and so on
coming and polluting our pure… err… pure something. And that darned Julius
Caesar!

Sam

--
The entity formerly known as Sam.Wilson@ed.ac.uk
Spit the dummy to reply

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <uua1ia$186i3$1@dont-email.me>, at 21:52:10 on Sat, 30 Mar
> 2024, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>
>>>> Just FYI - the BBC is national.
>>>
>>> I thought it was in Birmingham…
>>
>> I thought it was Salford?
>
> BBC News (which is more like a magazine programme recently) is broadcast
> from two studios - one in Salford Quays and the other on the lower
> ground floor of Broadcasting House.

Only two? I have a friend who used to be in the theatre business in
Scotland and complained that both BBC and ITV had moved casting for
Scottish-made programmes to London.

Sam

--
The entity formerly known as Sam.Wilson@ed.ac.uk
Spit the dummy to reply

On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 10:28:56 +0100
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>In message <uudrjh$2ct8a$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:34:57 on Mon, 1 Apr
>2024, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>>On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 16:08:22 +0000
>>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>In message <uu8pb9$uhj1$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:25:45 on Sat, 30 Mar
>>>2024, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>
>>>>I wasn't actually talking or even thinking about foxes at all. Talk about
>>>>moving the goalposts, you dug them up and took them to a different pitch.
>>>
>>> >>Anyway, it floated to the bank and eventually, about a day later,
>>> >>someone unknown fished(sic) it out and put it on the grass verge. It
>>> >>then took around three days for a suitably qualified person to come
>>> >>and collect it. (I know all this, because I'd called the people
>>> >>responsible the first day).
>>> >
>>> >You must have fussy foxes where you live. It would be gone here
>>> >within a few hours.
>>>
>>>I'm completely and utterly baffled why you should insist on scoring such
>>>a spectacular own goal.
>>
>>Apparently in your oncoming senility you seemed to have forgotten that threads
>
>>move on to other topics. Or did you still assume we were also talking about
>>the C5 tube program as per the subject line?
>
>I know we are still talking about the episode with the pike removed from
>the river. But you are wriggling and squirming to little effect to try
>to distract us from that.

Well you might be but I moved on about 5 posts ago. Your observational
abilities seem to be failing you.

On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 14:41:08 -0000 (UTC)
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> There are those who would claim the White British are not a homogeneous
>> ethnic group.
>
>Too right! All those Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Vikings, Normans and so on
>coming and polluting our pure… err… pure something. And that darned Julius

Cities used to be full of chimneys belching out smoke so why should we care
about pollution now?

In case the analogy escapes you - what happened 1 or 2 thousand years ago
is utterly irrelevant to whats happening today.

On 01/04/2024 15:41, Sam Wilson wrote:
> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 30/03/2024 21:50, Sam Wilson wrote:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <uu8o72$u6ub$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:06:26 on Sat, 30 Mar
>>>> 2024, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>> On 30/03/2024 09:07, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>> In message <uu6fvf$afat$3@dont-email.me>, at 13:33:34 on Fri, 29 Mar
>>>>>> 2024, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>> On 29/03/2024 09:58, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thre's absolutely nothing ethnic about it, not least because 99% of
>>>>>>>> them  are SWASPs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You mean white people aren't ethnic somehow?
>>>>
>>>>>> According to the Law Society, only groups such as "Polish or Gypsy,
>>>>>> Roma and Irish Traveller" are both white and ethnic.
>>>>>
>>>>> As ever the law (society) is an ass, though I suspect what it actually
>>>>> says is that those groups are examples of white ethnic groups, not the
>>>>> only such groups.
>>>>
>>>> I snipped the part of their guidance which is that "White British" is an
>>>> ethnic group. Because I don't think the earlier assertion that "Vibrant
>>>> [only] means "Ethnic", was said to in order to confirm people revelling
>>>> on the riverside - or wherever - were ethnic.
>>>
>>> Phew! I was getting a little worried that, despite being British, I wasn’t
>>> ethnically British.
>>>
>>
>> There are those who would claim the White British are not a homogeneous
>> ethnic group.
>
> Too right! All those Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Vikings, Normans and so on
> coming and polluting our pure… err… pure something. And that darned Julius
> Caesar!
>

Home rule for the Beaker Folk! After all what did the Romans ever do for us?

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

In message <uuehbh$2hs7p$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:46:09 on Mon, 1 Apr
2024, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <uua1ia$186i3$1@dont-email.me>, at 21:52:10 on Sat, 30 Mar
>> 2024, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>
>>>>> Just FYI - the BBC is national.
>>>>
>>>> I thought it was in Birmingham…
>>>
>>> I thought it was Salford?
>>
>> BBC News (which is more like a magazine programme recently) is broadcast
>> from two studios - one in Salford Quays and the other on the lower
>> ground floor of Broadcasting House.
>
>Only two? I have a friend who used to be in the theatre business in
>Scotland and complained that both BBC and ITV had moved casting for
>Scottish-made programmes to London.

I'm unsighted as to whether the main BBC news for Scotland is presented
from a third studio, by different people to the England/Wales programme,
etc.

But I feel it's unlikely. However, you live there, and could let us
know.
--
Roland Perry

On 01/04/2024 15:46, Sam Wilson wrote:
> Only two? I have a friend who used to be in the theatre business in
> Scotland and complained that both BBC and ITV had moved casting for
> Scottish-made programmes to London.

Perhaps more Scottish actors living there than in Edinburgh?

On 01/04/2024 16:38, JMB99 wrote:
>> Only two?  I have a friend who used to be in the theatre business in
>> Scotland and complained that both BBC and ITV had moved casting for
>> Scottish-made programmes to London.
>
>
> Perhaps more Scottish actors living there than in Edinburgh?

Though many seem to live in the USA (*) so perhaps they should do the
recruiting from there.

(*) Usually the Nationalists who make most noise.

On 01/04/2024 16:33, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <uuehbh$2hs7p$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:46:09 on Mon, 1 Apr
> 2024, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <uua1ia$186i3$1@dont-email.me>, at 21:52:10 on Sat, 30 Mar
>>> 2024, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>
>>>>>> Just FYI - the BBC is national.
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought it was in Birmingham…
>>>>
>>>> I thought it was Salford?
>>>
>>> BBC News (which is more like a magazine programme recently) is broadcast
>>> from two studios - one in Salford Quays and the other on the lower
>>> ground floor of Broadcasting House.
>>
>> Only two?  I have a friend who used to be in the theatre business in
>> Scotland and complained that both BBC and ITV had moved casting for
>> Scottish-made programmes to London.
>
> I'm unsighted as to whether the main BBC news for Scotland is presented
> from a third studio, by different people to the England/Wales programme,
> etc.
>
> But I feel it's unlikely. However, you live there, and could let us know.

IIRC BBC Scotland news comes from Glasgow.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On 01/04/2024 16:33, Roland Perry wrote:
>
> I'm unsighted as to whether the main BBC news for Scotland is presented
> from a third studio, by different people to the England/Wales programme,
> etc.
>
> But I feel it's unlikely. However, you live there, and could let us know.

BBC Scotland have a big studio centre - Pacific Quays.

They make some stuff for network there.

On 01/04/2024 16:40, JMB99 wrote:
> On 01/04/2024 16:38, JMB99 wrote:
>>> Only two?  I have a friend who used to be in the theatre business in
>>> Scotland and complained that both BBC and ITV had moved casting for
>>> Scottish-made programmes to London.
>>
>>
>> Perhaps more Scottish actors living there than in Edinburgh?
>
>
> Though many seem to live in the USA (*) so perhaps they should do the
> recruiting from there.
>
>
> (*) Usually the Nationalists who make most noise.

Leave Mr Connery put of this.
--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 01/04/2024 16:33, Roland Perry wrote:
>> In message <uuehbh$2hs7p$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:46:09 on Mon, 1 Apr
>> 2024, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <uua1ia$186i3$1@dont-email.me>, at 21:52:10 on Sat, 30 Mar
>>>> 2024, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Just FYI - the BBC is national.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought it was in Birmingham…
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought it was Salford?
>>>>
>>>> BBC News (which is more like a magazine programme recently) is broadcast
>>>> from two studios - one in Salford Quays and the other on the lower
>>>> ground floor of Broadcasting House.
>>>
>>> Only two?  I have a friend who used to be in the theatre business in
>>> Scotland and complained that both BBC and ITV had moved casting for
>>> Scottish-made programmes to London.
>>
>> I'm unsighted as to whether the main BBC news for Scotland is presented
>> from a third studio, by different people to the England/Wales programme,
>> etc.
>>
>> But I feel it's unlikely. However, you live there, and could let us know.
>
> IIRC BBC Scotland news comes from Glasgow.
>

Yes, from this well-known waterfront building:

http://www.clydewaterfront.com/projects/pacific-quay--secc/public-amenity/bbc_scotland_headquarters

JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 01/04/2024 16:33, Roland Perry wrote:
>>
>> I'm unsighted as to whether the main BBC news for Scotland is presented
>> from a third studio, by different people to the England/Wales programme,
>> etc.
>>
>> But I feel it's unlikely. However, you live there, and could let us know.
>
>
>
> BBC Scotland have a big studio centre - Pacific Quays.
>
> They make some stuff for network there.

Yes, such as the Scam Busters series. There's no particular reason it
should be produced there (the presenters aren't Scottish, the scammers are
in India, and the victims could be anywhere, including the US), but they
show off the building a lot.

Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 01/04/2024 16:40, JMB99 wrote:
>> On 01/04/2024 16:38, JMB99 wrote:
>>>> Only two?  I have a friend who used to be in the theatre business in
>>>> Scotland and complained that both BBC and ITV had moved casting for
>>>> Scottish-made programmes to London.
>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps more Scottish actors living there than in Edinburgh?
>>
>>
>> Though many seem to live in the USA (*) so perhaps they should do the
>> recruiting from there.
>>
>>
>> (*) Usually the Nationalists who make most noise.
>
> Leave Mr Connery put of this.

I don't think he lived in the US. But some other prominent SNP-supporting
actors do.

On Mon, 01 Apr 2024 16:09:32 GMT
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 01/04/2024 16:40, JMB99 wrote:
>>> On 01/04/2024 16:38, JMB99 wrote:
>>>>> Only two?  I have a friend who used to be in the theatre business in
>>>>> Scotland and complained that both BBC and ITV had moved casting for
>>>>> Scottish-made programmes to London.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps more Scottish actors living there than in Edinburgh?
>>>
>>>
>>> Though many seem to live in the USA (*) so perhaps they should do the
>>> recruiting from there.
>>>
>>>
>>> (*) Usually the Nationalists who make most noise.
>>
>> Leave Mr Connery put of this.
>
>I don't think he lived in the US. But some other prominent SNP-supporting
>actors do.

Retired to the carribean IIRC.

<Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Apr 2024 16:09:32 GMT
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 01/04/2024 16:40, JMB99 wrote:
>>>> On 01/04/2024 16:38, JMB99 wrote:
>>>>>> Only two?  I have a friend who used to be in the theatre business in
>>>>>> Scotland and complained that both BBC and ITV had moved casting for
>>>>>> Scottish-made programmes to London.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps more Scottish actors living there than in Edinburgh?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Though many seem to live in the USA (*) so perhaps they should do the
>>>> recruiting from there.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (*) Usually the Nationalists who make most noise.
>>>
>>> Leave Mr Connery put of this.
>>
>> I don't think he lived in the US. But some other prominent SNP-supporting
>> actors do.
>
> Retired to the carribean IIRC.

Yes, the Bahamas.

On 01/04/2024 17:09, Recliner wrote:
> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 01/04/2024 16:40, JMB99 wrote:
>>> On 01/04/2024 16:38, JMB99 wrote:
>>>>> Only two?  I have a friend who used to be in the theatre business in
>>>>> Scotland and complained that both BBC and ITV had moved casting for
>>>>> Scottish-made programmes to London.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps more Scottish actors living there than in Edinburgh?
>>>
>>>
>>> Though many seem to live in the USA (*) so perhaps they should do the
>>> recruiting from there.
>>>
>>>
>>> (*) Usually the Nationalists who make most noise.
>>
>> Leave Mr Connery put of this.
>
> I don't think he lived in the US. But some other prominent SNP-supporting
> actors do.
>

Thought he did at one time.
--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 01/04/2024 17:09, Recliner wrote:
>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 01/04/2024 16:40, JMB99 wrote:
>>>> On 01/04/2024 16:38, JMB99 wrote:
>>>>>> Only two?  I have a friend who used to be in the theatre business in
>>>>>> Scotland and complained that both BBC and ITV had moved casting for
>>>>>> Scottish-made programmes to London.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps more Scottish actors living there than in Edinburgh?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Though many seem to live in the USA (*) so perhaps they should do the
>>>> recruiting from there.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (*) Usually the Nationalists who make most noise.
>>>
>>> Leave Mr Connery put of this.
>>
>> I don't think he lived in the US. But some other prominent SNP-supporting
>> actors do.
>>
>
> Thought he did at one time.

When was that? He lived in Marbella before the Bahamas. As a major film
star he'd have spent time in the US, but I wasn't aware that he'd ever
settled there.

But Martin Compston, Brian Cox and Alan Cumming are Indy-supporting
Scottish actors who live in the US.

On Mon, 01 Apr 2024 16:09:31 GMT, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>
wrote:

>JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
>> On 01/04/2024 16:33, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm unsighted as to whether the main BBC news for Scotland is presented
>>> from a third studio, by different people to the England/Wales programme,
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> But I feel it's unlikely. However, you live there, and could let us know.
>>
>>
>>
>> BBC Scotland have a big studio centre - Pacific Quays.
>>
>> They make some stuff for network there.
>
>Yes, such as the Scam Busters series. There's no particular reason it
>should be produced there (the presenters aren't Scottish, the scammers are
>in India, and the victims could be anywhere, including the US), but they
>show off the building a lot.
>
It is called not putting all your eggs in one basket.