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||   +* OT: Energy use!)!)John Ashby
||   |`* OT: Energy use!)!)Joe Kerr
||   | `* OT: Energy use!)!)Chris J Dixon
||   |  +- OT: Energy use!)!)Mike McMillan
||   |  +* OT: Energy use!)!)Vicky
||   |  |`* OT: Energy use!)!)Sam Plusnet
||   |  | `- OT: Energy use!)!)Mike McMillan
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||   |   `* OT: Energy use!)!)Rosie Mitchell
||   |    `- OT: Energy use!)!)Nick Odell
||   `* OT: Energy use!)!)Vicky
||    +* OT: Energy use!)!)Kate B
||    |`- OT: Energy use!)!)Nick Odell
||    `* OT: Energy use!)!)Chris
||     +* OT: Energy use!)!)Mike McMillan
||     |`- OT: Energy use!)!)Mike McMillan
||     `* OT: Energy use!)!)J. P. Gilliver
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||      `* OT: Energy use!)!)Mike McMillan
||       `* OT: Energy use!)!)J. P. Gilliver
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||           `* OT: Energy use!)!)Nick Odell
||            +* OT: Energy use!)!)Chris
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||            |   ||   |`* OT: Energy use!)!)Chris J Dixon
||            |   ||   | `* OT: Energy use!)!)Jenny M Benson
||            |   ||   |  +* OT: Energy use!)!)Vicky
||            |   ||   |  |`* OT: ad.sJ. P. Gilliver
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||            |   ||   |  `- OT: Energy use!)!)Mike McMillan
||            |   ||   +* OT: Energy use!)!)Jim Easterbrook
||            |   ||   |+- OT: Energy use!)!)J. P. Gilliver
||            |   ||   |+* OT: Energy use!)!)Chris J Dixon
||            |   ||   ||`* OT: Energy use!)!)Jim Easterbrook
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||            |   ||   || |`- OT: Energy use!)!)krw
||            |   ||   || `* OT: Energy use!)!)Chris J Dixon
||            |   ||   ||  `* OT: Energy use!)!)Jim Easterbrook
||            |   ||   ||   +* OT: Energy use!)!)J. P. Gilliver
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||            |   |`* OT: Energy use!)!)John Ashby
||            |   | `- OT: Energy use!)!)Mike McMillan
||            |   +* OT: Energy use!)!)Sam Plusnet
||            |   |`- OT: Energy use!)!)J. P. Gilliver
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||            |   |  `* OT: Energy use!)!)J. P. Gilliver
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From: toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com (Mike McMillan)
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 by: Mike McMillan - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 15:40 UTC

Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 13/12/2023 13:41, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> Anyone know how to get a link to one of the intrusive ad.s on YouTube? I
>> accept ad.s on YouTube as a way of paying for getting the service free -
>> I _don't_ run any ad-blockers, for that reason. But there's one that's
>> really bugging me at the moment - it's for electric heaters, which "will
>> warm a room in seconds, for a fraction of the electricity cost" - and I
>> _really_ want to report them to the ASA (and anything else I can think
>> of). Of course, no electric heater can warm even a small _room_ in
>> seconds (it can warm a _person_, if they're standing right in front of
>> it), and if it's going to have a perceptible effect even on a person,
>> it's going to need to be of a fair power. They also use the word
>> efficient (and/or inefficient, for competing products); for an electric
>> heater, there is no such thing as inefficiency (unless they put out a
>> lot of _light_ and are right by a window).
>
> Can't answer your question, but I did listen to an episode of Sliced
> Bread a while ago which talked about these heaters. Can't remember now
> if they were actually categorised as BS but I am sure they weren't SB.
>

I took little notice of that particular SB. Like JPG, I am annoyed or even
bl**dy annoyed by these ridiculously outrageous and dishonest claims laced
with lies from start to finish attempting to dupe those with insufficient
technical knowledge to know that they are complete BS. Many of the ones I
have tried to skip on YouTube seem to feature the same lying b*stard doing
the voice overs to sell this cr*p. As Larry the Lamb might have said, ‘It
didn’t ought to be allowed Mr. Mayor Sir!’

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

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 by: Chris J Dixon - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 16:01 UTC

J. P. Gilliver wrote:

>Anyone know how to get a link to one of the intrusive ad.s on YouTube? I
>accept ad.s on YouTube as a way of paying for getting the service free -
>I _don't_ run any ad-blockers, for that reason. But there's one that's
>really bugging me at the moment - it's for electric heaters, which "will
>warm a room in seconds, for a fraction of the electricity cost" - and I
>_really_ want to report them to the ASA (and anything else I can think
>of). Of course, no electric heater can warm even a small _room_ in
>seconds (it can warm a _person_, if they're standing right in front of
>it), and if it's going to have a perceptible effect even on a person,
>it's going to need to be of a fair power. They also use the word
>efficient (and/or inefficient, for competing products); for an electric
>heater, there is no such thing as inefficiency (unless they put out a
>lot of _light_ and are right by a window).

I can't help, but do feel similarly annoyed at the rewriting of
the rules of physics.

BTW, have you noticed an increase in frequency and duration in
the YouTube ads you are seeing recently?

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham
'48/33 M B+ G++ A L(-) I S-- CH0(--)(p) Ar- T+ H0 ?Q
chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1
Plant amazing Acers.

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 by: Mike McMillan - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 16:32 UTC

Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> wrote:
> J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>
>> Anyone know how to get a link to one of the intrusive ad.s on YouTube? I
>> accept ad.s on YouTube as a way of paying for getting the service free -
>> I _don't_ run any ad-blockers, for that reason. But there's one that's
>> really bugging me at the moment - it's for electric heaters, which "will
>> warm a room in seconds, for a fraction of the electricity cost" - and I
>> _really_ want to report them to the ASA (and anything else I can think
>> of). Of course, no electric heater can warm even a small _room_ in
>> seconds (it can warm a _person_, if they're standing right in front of
>> it), and if it's going to have a perceptible effect even on a person,
>> it's going to need to be of a fair power. They also use the word
>> efficient (and/or inefficient, for competing products); for an electric
>> heater, there is no such thing as inefficiency (unless they put out a
>> lot of _light_ and are right by a window).
>
> I can't help, but do feel similarly annoyed at the rewriting of
> the rules of physics.
>
> BTW, have you noticed an increase in frequency and duration in
> the YouTube ads you are seeing recently?
>
> Chris

Yes :-(((

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

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 by: J. P. Gilliver - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 16:48 UTC

In message <ulcmbo$tuvd$1@dont-email.me> at Wed, 13 Dec 2023 16:32:56,
Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> wrote:
>> J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone know how to get a link to one of the intrusive ad.s on YouTube? I
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>>> really bugging me at the moment - it's for electric heaters, which "will
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>> I can't help, but do feel similarly annoyed at the rewriting of
>> the rules of physics.

Hence the desire for a link.
>>
>> BTW, have you noticed an increase in frequency and duration in
>> the YouTube ads you are seeing recently?
>>
>> Chris
>
>Yes :-(((
>
It certainly feels like it. Whether I can say so definitively, would
depend on more careful logging than I've done.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Practicall every British actor with a bus pass is in there ...
Barry Norman (on "The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel" [2011]), RT 2015/12/12-18

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 by: J. P. Gilliver - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 16:45 UTC

In message <ulcj8t$tg3t$1@dont-email.me> at Wed, 13 Dec 2023 15:40:13,
Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 13/12/2023 13:41, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>> Anyone know how to get a link to one of the intrusive ad.s on YouTube? I
[]
>> Can't answer your question, but I did listen to an episode of Sliced
>> Bread a while ago which talked about these heaters. Can't remember now
>> if they were actually categorised as BS but I am sure they weren't SB.
>>
Heating using electricity is as efficient as the power station providing
the electricity (OK, _slight_ losses in the distribution system), unless
we're talking about heat pumps. But for any form of resistive heating,
_all_ heaters are 100% efficient, unless they emit a lot of light _and_
are by a window.

The _only_ differences between them (apart from aesthetics) are safety,
directionality, and time:

Safety: some designs are more prone to overheating; the same heat
applied to a smaller volume of element will get hotter. If there's a
fan, they can get away with more compact elements.

Directionality: if there's a fan, or certain other design features, the
heat may come out more in one direction than another, so if you have it
blowing (or beaming, for the old reflector type) directly _at_ you, it
can _feel_ warmer quicker on that side. But in terms of heating the
_room_, THEY ALL HAVE THE SAME EFFECT, IN THE SAME TIME.

Time: with certain types where there is some thermal inertia, such as
oil-filled, there may be a certain delay before the heat is
_perceptible_ on the outside of the heater - but it's still transforming
the same amount of energy. If turned off before the outside feels hot,
that energy will continue to come out of the heater after it has been
turned off, so a given amount of energy will have the same heating
effect on the room. If you run that type, turn it off before the outside
gets hot, _and then move it to another room immediately_, it won't heat
the first room as much - but it will heat the room you move it to which
the other sorts wouldn't if you did the same with them. Same _total_
heat energy output.
>
>I took little notice of that particular SB. Like JPG, I am annoyed or even
>bl**dy annoyed by these ridiculously outrageous and dishonest claims laced
>with lies from start to finish attempting to dupe those with insufficient
>technical knowledge to know that they are complete BS. Many of the ones I
>have tried to skip on YouTube seem to feature the same lying b*stard doing
>the voice overs to sell this cr*p. As Larry the Lamb might have said, ‘It
>didn’t ought to be allowed Mr. Mayor Sir!’
>
I'm sure it isn't, which is why I want a link to them so I can try with
the ASA. Though I've recently started to "follow" the CMA, which seems
far more proactive than the ASA, which seems (a) pretty toothless and
(b) very reluctant to use what teeth it has: I think unless the ASA
pulls its socks up, it needs to be taken over by the CMA. For example,
the CMA has recently announced it's going to look into the claims made
by companies selling products and services (such as heating) which they
claim to be green. The sort of thing the ASA surely ought to be doing.
(But they seem to be purely reactive, and then only when someone
actually complains.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

A true-born Englishman does not know any language. He does not speak English
too well either but, at least, he is not proud of this. He is, however,
immensely proud of not knowing any foreign languages. (George Mikes, "How to
be Inimitable" [1960].)

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 by: John Ashby - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 16:49 UTC

On 13/12/2023 16:01, Chris J Dixon wrote:
> J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>
>> Anyone know how to get a link to one of the intrusive ad.s on YouTube? I
>> accept ad.s on YouTube as a way of paying for getting the service free -
>> I _don't_ run any ad-blockers, for that reason. But there's one that's
>> really bugging me at the moment - it's for electric heaters, which "will
>> warm a room in seconds, for a fraction of the electricity cost" - and I
>> _really_ want to report them to the ASA (and anything else I can think
>> of). Of course, no electric heater can warm even a small _room_ in
>> seconds (it can warm a _person_, if they're standing right in front of
>> it), and if it's going to have a perceptible effect even on a person,
>> it's going to need to be of a fair power. They also use the word
>> efficient (and/or inefficient, for competing products); for an electric
>> heater, there is no such thing as inefficiency (unless they put out a
>> lot of _light_ and are right by a window).
>
> I can't help, but do feel similarly annoyed at the rewriting of
> the rules of physics.
>
> BTW, have you noticed an increase in frequency and duration in
> the YouTube ads you are seeing recently?

Do you think they're being Doppler shifted and time dilated?

john

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John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 13/12/2023 16:01, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>> J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone know how to get a link to one of the intrusive ad.s on YouTube? I
>>> accept ad.s on YouTube as a way of paying for getting the service free -
>>> I _don't_ run any ad-blockers, for that reason. But there's one that's
>>> really bugging me at the moment - it's for electric heaters, which "will
>>> warm a room in seconds, for a fraction of the electricity cost" - and I
>>> _really_ want to report them to the ASA (and anything else I can think
>>> of). Of course, no electric heater can warm even a small _room_ in
>>> seconds (it can warm a _person_, if they're standing right in front of
>>> it), and if it's going to have a perceptible effect even on a person,
>>> it's going to need to be of a fair power. They also use the word
>>> efficient (and/or inefficient, for competing products); for an electric
>>> heater, there is no such thing as inefficiency (unless they put out a
>>> lot of _light_ and are right by a window).
>>
>> I can't help, but do feel similarly annoyed at the rewriting of
>> the rules of physics.
>>
>> BTW, have you noticed an increase in frequency and duration in
>> the YouTube ads you are seeing recently?
>
> Do you think they're being Doppler shifted and time dilated?
>
> john
>
>

That is a product of using the spifflocating baffleboard in antiphase to
the dihedral baffleboard compensation circuits -they don’t like it up ‘em
y’know!

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

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On 08/12/2023 17:27, Chris J Dixon wrote:

I am posting here because this thread is just the latest manifestation
of a problem I am having. I attach the query sent to Mozilla.

Anyone else seeing the same problem ?

I have been using TB for many years and use TB to read usenet posts only.
Since the update, everything works well except one occasional problem.
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THis seems entirely random. There is no pattern that I can dsiscern,
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Since I can;t post a screenshot, here is what this thread looks like:

OT: Energy use!)!)​ 78 messages

16:01Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk>
I can't help, but do feel similarly annoyed at the rewriting of the
rules of physics. BTW, have you noticed an increase in frequency and
duration in the YouTube ads you are seeing recently? Chris -- Chris J
Dixon Nottingham '48/33 M B+ G++ A L(-) I S-- CH0(--)(p) Ar- T+ H0 ?Q
chris@cdixon.…
FridayJohn Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com>
<snip> A Pedant asks: Should some of those MW be MWhr? Otherwise
you seem to be confusing power and energy which I find surprising for an
engineer. john
FridayMe
ALmost certainly. I is not an engineer, but I can speel it.
Fridaykrw <krw@whitnet.uk>
So there you were saying nothing. So I closed Thunderbird and
opened it and there you are saying something. I had this a little
pre-upgrade so I am not sure if it is Thunderbird or plusnet (I miss
aioe - seemingly it is not returning). -- Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk https://tin…
FridayMike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com>
Storage of energy is the trickiest part of supplying the world’s
needs which can vary second by second, minute by minute, hour by h……..
The UK (and probably other nations too) use what is generally known as
the ‘Duck Curve’ to graphically illustrate how demand varies over 24
hours. The problem is t…
FridayMike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com>
In case anyRats are wondering about the consumption of our heat
pump, during the ‘cold snap’ last week, we were running at approx. 1.5
kW/h each hour to heat the whole house; today, we are running at approx.
800 Watts per hour. This is a great deal less than the kW/h’s we
consumed when we were ‘coo…
FridayMike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com>
Oh, and one more thing - Since day one (early Aug. 2022) our solar
PV has produced 8.88MW/h. -- Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan
FridayChris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk>
No batteries here. My system is 3.64 kWp, with an annual output
averaging 3.6 MWh. That used to be about the same as our usage, but,
obviously, not at the same time of day. The investment in 2010 paid back
the cost during 2018, and currently I am in profit by more than I
invested, which is better …
FridayChris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk>
Chris J Dixon wrote: I thought, I'll let the spell check sort out
the typo, then I hit "Ignore" :-( Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham
'48/33 M B+ G++ A L(-) I S-- CH0(--)(p) Ar- T+ H0 ?Q chris@cdixon.me.uk
@ChrisJDixon1 Plant amazing Acers.
FridayMike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com>
Our system doesn’t benefit from the very generous FIT so our
calculations are based on a very different basis. Paying 16.51 pence per
kW/h during two 3 hour periods per day goes a fair way to justifying
some storage capacity thus avoiding paying greater rates for the other
18 hours. Yes, I know sto…
FridayClive Arthur <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk>
On 08/12/2023 17:12, Mike McMillan wrote: <snipped> Arrgh! Arrrgh!
Someone, please make it stop! You are a Grauniad science journalist
AICMFP. -- Cheers Clive
FridayMike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com>
Ok, Ok, very sorry, badly written I realise. What I was trying to
indicate was that the power varies greatly and I wanted to indicate an
average ‘kW hourage’; at times, the pump idles for some minutes at
perhaps 200 - 500 watts then later it might be running at 1500 watts.
The indications I have ar…
SaturdayMe
Although the summer months were relatively poor, overall this year
has already beaten 2021 and matched 2019 (which had a zero for January,
probably similar to missing days for rest of this December). Not far
behind 2020 and 22 which both had 4.8MWh as we are already at 4.4MWh
with 3 weeks still…
SaturdayMe
Crikey. We had a new boiler installed 5 years ago and have it
adjusted to run slightly cooler than the recommended setting which works
well for us for both heating and hot water. We have a good independent
plumber who advises us on this and does annual service. The most gas we
used in the last y…
SaturdayMe
Thanks for the info. If you can download your daily
generation/usage etc I can send you my spreadsheet that will let you do
the calculation by day throughout the year. Let me know by email.
SaturdayNick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca>
On Sat, 9 Dec 2023 12:56:24 +0000, BrritSki
<rtilburyTAKEOUT@gmail.com> wrote: <snip> <snip> +1 on the boiler
output. Dunno about the rest because I don't have the rest of what you
have. AIUI most boilers these days (including mine) are condensing
boilers which means they are designed to reclaim …
SaturdayPenny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
On Fri, 08 Dec 2023 17:27:59 +0000, Chris J Dixon
<chris@cdixon.me.uk> scrawled in the dust... I indicated an interest
from an ad on Facebook a while back, which had a tagline of 'how much is
battery storage?' or similar. A week or so later I had a phone call
asking how many responses I'd had, from…
SaturdayMike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com>
Just checked our consumption on this very mild day and over the
last 16 hours, our heat pump consumption has averaged 625 watt/h. --
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan
SaturdayMike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com>
I was very green (but in the wrong way) in the 2000’s when we
needed a new Bas Goiler; the BG salesman / surveyor was able to provide
a condensing boiler - no problem but…. What he didn’t tell us was that
the boiler would be fitted set to 16 kWh/h whether we needed 6-8-10-12
or whatever kW rating. …
SaturdayMike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com>
Mined Ewe, that system was better than the very first system we had
installed at our previous Toodle Villas in the seventies, it was a
‘Servowarm’ system. One delightful ‘feature’ was the three way valve
with a rocking lever used to send the energy to the heating or the hot
water. Any attempt to ha…
SaturdayJohn Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com>
I may have mentioned before the hot water system in the first house
I ever bought (heating was by night storage heaters ,remember them?).
The hhot water was supplied by a gas Ascot which was situated above the
toilet in the bathroom. This had the unfortunate habit of delaying
ignition until the…
SaturdayClive Arthur <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk>
On 09/12/2023 17:06, Mike McMillan wrote: <snip> As you know, a
watt is a unit of power. Power is the rate at which energy is used or
generated, for example, a 2kW heater uses energy twice as quickly as a
1kW heater and gives out twice as much heat. A watt per hour (watt/h as
you put it) is ra…
SaturdayVicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com>
On Sat, 9 Dec 2023 17:37:53 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan Ah, boilers
I have known.....We had a Servowarm at one time. Was that the one in the
form of a gas fire with boiler behind/attached? The memory is misty,
probably a good thing. I know with more than one boiler the flame would
go out and have…
SundayJohn Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com>
Thank you. john
SundaySally Thompson <thompson.stonybrook@gmail.com.invalid>
I'm with you on the batteries. I did the big sums and decided it
wasn't worth the extra (large) outlay. The heat pump is great and
efficient, and we are delighted with the solar panels. I have an EV so
we are on an EV electrickery tariff which gives very low cost in the
bowels of the night, so as w…
SundayMike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com>
Or on my tariff, 8.2505p. (Very approx.). -- Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan
SundayChris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk>
Quite so! BOFE's car was not used much in June, and the 284 miles
were achieved entirely powered by solar. :-) Chris -- Chris J Dixon
Nottingham '48/33 M B+ G++ A L(-) I S-- CH0(--)(p) Ar- T+ H0 ?Q
chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1 Plant amazing Acers.
SundayJoe Kerr <joe_kerr@cheerful.com>
I wish I could forget storage heaters. I once worked in an office
equipped with them. (Don't ask.) At five o'clock we had to take a guess
at what the weather would be like the next day, or on Monday. We got it
wrong far more often than right. Now I have the modern, "clever"
versions at home tha…
SundayMe
We thought hard about getting a hybrid so we could recharge it
during the day from solar, but eventually decided against. Stories of
increasing insurance premiums for EVs didn;t help, nor the possibility
(probability according to some) that the Luton fire started in a hybrid
Evoque.
SundayKate B <elvira@nospam.demon.co.uk>
Here I have a new-fangled Alpha boiler controlled from my phone
which it has taken me over a year to get used to. I miss the old system
in the London house, which was a pair of fifty-year-old Ideal Mexico
boilers set up to fire in rotation (or together if needed), controlled
by a Drayton box wh…
SundayRosie Mitchell <rcmitchell@golgonooza.co.uk>
Clive Arthur <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> writes: Watts are kg m² s¯³
(kilogram metres squared per second cubed although as they are named
after a Greenock lad, effin' kilogram effin' metres effin' squared per
effin' second effin' squared pal). My head starts hurting with the mixed
units but I make tha…
SundayChris <chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com>
No Vicky. McT Towers never lived with this type of set up Mrs McT
SundayMike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com>
Back boilers ‘R’ NOT Us! -- Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan
Sundaykrw <krw@whitnet.uk>
I believe the fire service confirmed that the fire commenced in
diesel powered vehicle. -- Kosmo Richard W www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
SundayMike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com>
Though having said that… in 1954 we moved into a brand new council
house and in those days, there was a chimmunee that came into the centre
of the living room where one could light a fire in the winter - you
could also light a fire in the summer - you needed to light a fire in
the summer too - unle…
SundayBen Blaney <benblaney@gmail.com>
I don't have solar, but we do have an electric car. To my
amazement, after we got it, there was barely a noticeable increase in
our utilities bill. To be fair, that car is used by Mrs B, who has a
commute of 4 miles.
SundayMike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com>
I further believe that some EV’s were harmed in the fire but had
nothing to do with the original start of the conflagration. -- Toodle
Pip, Mike McMillan
SundayBen Blaney <benblaney@gmail.com>
SundayChris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk>
I was once in a office where the secretary sat alongside a storage
heater. She perpetually complained that it was not doing what it should,
but we dismissed it as not understanding its proper use. Eventually
investigation showed that some "sophisticated energy management" had got
its knickers in a…
SundayMike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com>
I have just been comparing Octopus Energy Tariffs for the next 24
hours; we switched to ‘Cosy’ a few weeks back and this tariff has 2 x 3
hours ‘dips’ spaced 6 hours apart during the day. This ‘spacing’ is very
convenient as it allows for battery storage to be topped up spread over
the two ‘windows…
SundayVicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com>
On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 10:50:04 +0000, BrritSki We had a hybrid that I
liked a lot and then b wanted all electric. This is ok if you don't
drive long distances and can charge from home, although Sainsburys next
door has just installed a whole row of fast chargers that will do a
whole charge in 10 mins…
SundayVicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com>
On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 08:10:38 -0800 (PST), Ben Blaney I, too, was
mostly just going 5 miles to swim daily, until I broke my nuggering arm,
and now haven't driven since October, with no chance until after physio
signs me off as legal to drive, and that doesn't begin until 20/12. They
turned out to …
SundayVicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com>
On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 16:22:39 +0000, Chris J Dixon
<chris@cdixon.me.uk> My mum had an ascot for many years in her rented
flat and it just did water I think and was fine. The coal-fired heating
was included with the rent and we kept toasty from when they turned it
on, I think it was October, until it…
SundaySam Plusnet <not@home.com>
This thread reminds me of the school's 'method', which was to start
up the heating on a certain date on the calendar - heedless of the
actual weather. Oh how we boiled/froze. -- Sam Plusnet
SundaySam Plusnet <not@home.com>
Don't forget the standing charge (you were intending to stand at
some point?) -- Sam Plusnet
SundaySam Plusnet <not@home.com>
There seem to be far more reasons for withholding driving licences
these days. Wofe has a CPAP machine, and the sleep clinic have now said
she is now OK to drive again after a year's track record shows
sufficient 'progress'. She hasn't actually driven for several years now,
but she occasionall…
SundaySam Plusnet <not@home.com>
Our car is not electric, but at this time of year my favourite
feature is the heated steering wheel, and Wofe is extremely fond of the
heated seats. -- Sam Plusnet
SundayJ. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
In message <ul4ice$2n4qo$1@dont-email.me> at Sun, 10 Dec 2023
14:35:58, Chris <chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com> writes [] I have that sort
- the gas fire is entirely separate from the boiler, and is only used in
extreme circumstances. I had that - the pilot light would go out
increasingly often. (Ini…
SundayJ. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
In message <iModN.449$ogWb.5@fx14.ams1> at Sun, 10 Dec 2023
19:59:09, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> writes [] When I was diagnosed
diabetic and put on insulin, various leaflets said tell the DVLA, so I
was a good boy and did, and they put me on a 3-year renewal cycle. When
diabetes nurse managed to…
SundayJ. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
In message <APodN.450$ogWb.246@fx14.ams1> at Sun, 10 Dec 2023
20:02:39, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> writes [] Technically, there's no
reason why a fuel-only car can't have this, though you'd have to be able
to remotely start the engine; however, I think hardly any such _do_
offer it. Never had ei…
MondayJoe Kerr <joe_kerr@cheerful.com>
I'm not an expert on this but I'm pretty sure that it is fairly
common across the pond in the areas that are unpleasantly cold in winter
(rather than unpleasantly hot in summer). Vehicles have a small
rectangular socket sticking put of the grill where they can be plugged
in to the mains to heat…
MondayIain Archer <ianews@montaigne.me.uk>
Though technically there might potentially be law about doing so in
some circumstances. "Your neighbour is correct that it is a breach of
the Highway Code, Rule 123, to leave a parked vehicle unattended with
the engine running or to leave a vehicle engine running unnecessarily
whilst that vehi…
MondayBen Blaney <benblaney@gmail.com>
I've had that on a couple of cars. One had it already, and on the
second I had installed. Something like these:
https://cartoys.com/collections/remote-starts It provided an additional
fob for the key ring, with a button to press and hold to start the
engine, but leaving the vehicle locked. It wa…
MondaySam Plusnet <not@home.com>
It does, but as a gas appliance needs a steady inflow of air, it
can accumulate a surprising amount of fluff and dust over time. -- Sam
Plusnet
MondaySam Plusnet <not@home.com>
Such devices used to be very common on Norway, I have no idea if it
is still true. -- Sam Plusnet
MondayChris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk>
Back in the 70s, on a winter trip to Sweden, I was told that many
cars had fuel-fired heaters on timers, and that if you walked through
the works car park near finishing time you would hear the whoosh of them
firing up. Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham '48/33 M B+ G++ A L(-) I
S-- CH0(--)(p…
MondayMe
They report I saw said that it started in a car with a diesel
engine. The Evoque hybrid has a diesel engine. The picture of the car
showing the fire starting had flames coming from under the passenger
seat where the battery is on the hybrid. Someone claims to have the Reg
and that it's a diesel …
MondayMike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com>
British Rail used the same philosophy. -- Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan
MondayMike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com>
And don’t forget to lift the seat! -- Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan
MondayMike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com>
The Cardiac Care Unit nursing staff have told me not to drive until
the medical mysteries are sorted out. That is such a shame for I was
looking forward to being able to not drive anyway! -- Toodle Pip, Mike
McMillan
MondayMike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com>
The sensor mechanism was no more than a very basic thermocouple, of
course if you place a delicate sensor device in the middle of a flame ….
-- Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan
MondayMike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com>
My brother lives in Raymond, Canada and they use this system to
warm (or stop from freezing anyway) the engine block - common practice I
believe. -- Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan
MondayJ. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
In message <ul6kmd$33vui$1@dont-email.me> at Mon, 11 Dec 2023
09:27:41, Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes [] [] []
Two sorts: thermocouple, i. e. two dissimilar metals, connected to
something that detected the varying voltage they generate, and switched
the gas accordingly; and …
MondayJ. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
In message <ul6kg1$33v1d$1@dont-email.me> at Mon, 11 Dec 2023
09:24:17, Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes [] "Doctor,
will I be able to play the piano when the plaster comes off?" "I see no
reason why not." "Great - I never could before!" -- J. P. Gilliver.
UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G…
MondayMike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com>
As said by Clarrie Grundy on one occasion some years back. --
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan
MondayClive Arthur <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk>
<snip> We had the situation where the pilot light was going out
with increasing frequency. I assumed it was the thermocouple (these
actually generate sufficient current to hold a solenoid valve open
against a spring, and they do wear out), but when I took the cover off
the wall-mounted combi b…
MondayClive Arthur <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk>
On 11/12/2023 09:36, J. P. Gilliver wrote: <snip> No electronics,
the thermocouple generates enough current to hold a solenoid in against
a spring. Not enough to pull the solenoid in - you do that by pushing a
button/twisting a knob and waiting till the thermocouple is hot enough.
-- Cheers C…
MondayNick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca>
On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 11:42:04 +0000, Kate B
<elvira@nospam.demon.co.uk> I scanned through the online papers for
whereabouts you used to live and didn't come across any unscheduled
rapid disassembly of houses around there recently so I think you
probably got away with it. Nick
MondaySam Plusnet <not@home.com>
I've found that the best way to treat a boiler thermocouple is to
very pointedly buy its replacement, muttering: "You can be replaced
quite easily you know." I did this around nine years ago, having had a
series of thermocouples die after only a couple of months. Suitable
warned, the present i…
yesterdayMike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com>
Splutter - spluttter, phizzzz, clunk …. Brrrrr -- Toodle Pip, Mike
McMillan
yesterdayNick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca>
On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 09:13:30 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan I wouldn't
be so sure. I'm convinced of the sentience of inanimate objects when
their very exixtence is in peril. I keep a duplicate set of cameras and
accessories in Argentina so that I don't have to lug heavy hardware back
and forth. Last …
yesterdayChris <chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com>
Snigger Mrs McT
08:35Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com>
For AnyRats with ‘unsmart’ metere ‘cos they can’t to the the DCC,
here is some reading for you:
https://smartenergycodecompany.co.uk/download/52709/?tmstv=1702377795
Please note this will downlaod a PDF for your delectation. -- Toodle
Pip, Mike McMillan
09:18J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
In message <ulbqbn$37jo$1@dont-email.me> at Wed, 13 Dec 2023
08:35:03, Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes [] (I
presume "DCC" means "the mobile network".) A couple of concerns (the
above is about providing "smart meter" functionality using the user's
own internet connection) - bo…
13:41J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
Anyone know how to get a link to one of the intrusive ad.s on
YouTube? I accept ad.s on YouTube as a way of paying for getting the
service free - I _don't_ run any ad-blockers, for that reason. But
there's one that's really bugging me at the moment - it's for electric
heaters, which "will warm …
14:07Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk>
Can't answer your question, but I did listen to an episode of
Sliced Bread a while ago which talked about these heaters. Can't
remember now if they were actually categorised as BS but I am sure they
weren't SB. -- Jenny M Benson Wrexham, UK
15:40Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com>
I took little notice of that particular SB. Like JPG, I am annoyed
or even bl**dy annoyed by these ridiculously outrageous and dishonest
claims laced with lies from start to finish attempting to dupe those
with insufficient technical knowledge to know that they are complete BS.
Many of the ones I h…
16:01Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk>
I can't help, but do feel similarly annoyed at the rewriting of the
rules of physics. BTW, have you noticed an increase in frequency and
duration in the YouTube ads you are seeing recently? Chris -- Chris J
Dixon Nottingham '48/33 M B+ G++ A L(-) I S-- CH0(--)(p) Ar- T+ H0 ?Q
chris@cdixon.…


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On 13-Dec-23 13:41, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> Anyone know how to get a link to one of the intrusive ad.s on YouTube? I
> accept ad.s on YouTube as a way of paying for getting the service free -
> I _don't_ run any ad-blockers, for that reason. But there's one that's
> really bugging me at the moment - it's for electric heaters, which "will
> warm a room in seconds, for a fraction of the electricity cost" - and I
> _really_ want to report them to the ASA (and anything else I can think
> of). Of course, no electric heater can warm even a small _room_ in
> seconds (it can warm a _person_, if they're standing right in front of
> it), and if it's going to have a perceptible effect even on a person,
> it's going to need to be of a fair power. They also use the word
> efficient (and/or inefficient, for competing products); for an electric
> heater, there is no such thing as inefficiency (unless they put out a
> lot of _light_ and are right by a window).
>
> Sorry, rant over - I just get cross when adverts mislead as blatantly as
> these do. As I said, I don't mind ad.s when just pushing one product
> over another (as long as they do so reasonably honestly), or are
> genuinely informative.
>
> [I'd hoped _gambling_ ones would by now have gone the way of tobacco,
> and some alcohol, ones, but obviously society has changed for the worse,
> and they're not ever going to. )-:]

Since it's Youtube, I imagine the advertisers are outwith the remit of
the UK's Advertising Standards Agency.

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On 13-Dec-23 16:48, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <ulcmbo$tuvd$1@dont-email.me> at Wed, 13 Dec 2023 16:32:56,
> Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>> Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> wrote:
>>> J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone know how to get a link to one of the intrusive ad.s on
>>>> YouTube? I
> []
>>>> really bugging me at the moment - it's for electric heaters, which
>>>> "will
> []
>>> I can't help, but do feel similarly annoyed at the rewriting of
>>> the rules of physics.
>
> Hence the desire for a link.
>>>
>>> BTW, have you noticed an increase in frequency and duration in
>>> the YouTube ads you are seeing recently?
>>>
>>> Chris
>>
>> Yes :-(((
>>
> It certainly feels like it. Whether I can say so definitively, would
> depend on more careful logging than I've done.

I use a mix of browsers.
On one, Youtube has given up showing me any video - I just get the audio
(no idea how I managed that).
On another I don't see any adverts at all.
I happened to fire up a third, and whas shocked & unhappy to find all
these adverts being shoved at me.

I'll stick to Brave (a browser M'Lud) for Youtube.

--
Sam Plusnet

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On 13-Dec-23 17:56, BrritSki wrote:
> On 08/12/2023 17:27, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>
> I am posting here because this thread is just the latest manifestation
> of a problem I am having. I attach the query sent to Mozilla.
>
> Anyone else seeing the same problem ?
>
> I have been using TB for many years and use TB to read usenet posts only.
> Since the update, everything works well except one occasional problem.
> Sometimes a new post in a thread will result in the whole thread being
> shown with each post summarised in 2 or 3 lines. It is impossible to
> expaqnd the thread afaics or to read the full text of the new post. Even
> after clicking the thread shows as having unread messages. It is not
> possible to reply to any posts.

Maybe I have the wrong idea about what you are seeing, but just in case
this helps...

If you look at the 'top' field of Thunderbird where the whole list of
posts is shown, with fields for "Subject" "From" "Date" etc.

In the "Subject" field, is there a small character (something like a
carat) immediately to the left of the Header text[1]?
If so, by clicking on that carat you can unfurl (I'm sure there's a
better word for this) the whole thread and then see (and navigate to)
each post separately.

[1] In the case of this post, it would be just before the "Re:" in Re:
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Sam Plusnet

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Sam Plusnet wrote:

>I use a mix of browsers.
>On one, Youtube has given up showing me any video - I just get the audio
>(no idea how I managed that).
>On another I don't see any adverts at all.
>I happened to fire up a third, and whas shocked & unhappy to find all
>these adverts being shoved at me.
>
>I'll stick to Brave (a browser M'Lud) for Youtube.

I mainly use Firefox with AdblockPlus. Until recently this worked
well, but now YouTube detects the blocking and will not play (or
will allow you one or two, and then blocks)

I also watch quite a lot of material using my smart TV, and there
is no easy way round the ads. I can accept a few seconds every so
often, but over a minute at less than 5 minute intervals is
getting really annoying.

Chris
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 by: John Ashby - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 19:42 UTC

On 13/12/2023 19:33, Chris J Dixon wrote:
> Sam Plusnet wrote:
>
>> I use a mix of browsers.
>> On one, Youtube has given up showing me any video - I just get the audio
>> (no idea how I managed that).
>> On another I don't see any adverts at all.
>> I happened to fire up a third, and whas shocked & unhappy to find all
>> these adverts being shoved at me.
>>
>> I'll stick to Brave (a browser M'Lud) for Youtube.
>
> I mainly use Firefox with AdblockPlus. Until recently this worked
> well, but now YouTube detects the blocking and will not play (or
> will allow you one or two, and then blocks)
>
> I also watch quite a lot of material using my smart TV, and there
> is no easy way round the ads. I can accept a few seconds every so
> often, but over a minute at less than 5 minute intervals is
> getting really annoying.

AdBlocker Ultimate (free) seems to remove the adverts on All4 which is
nice. Not sure about itvx.

john

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 by: BrritSki - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 19:51 UTC

On 13/12/2023 19:07, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 13-Dec-23 17:56, BrritSki wrote:
>> On 08/12/2023 17:27, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>>
>> I am posting here because this thread is just the latest manifestation
>> of a problem I am having. I attach the query sent to Mozilla.
>>
>> Anyone else seeing the same problem ?
>>
>> I have been using TB for many years and use TB to read usenet posts only.
>> Since the update, everything works well except one occasional problem.
>> Sometimes a new post in a thread will result in the whole thread being
>> shown with each post summarised in 2 or 3 lines. It is impossible to
>> expaqnd the thread afaics or to read the full text of the new post.
>> Even after clicking the thread shows as having unread messages. It is
>> not possible to reply to any posts.
>
>
>
> Maybe I have the wrong idea about what you are seeing, but just in case
> this helps...
>
> If you look at the 'top' field of Thunderbird where the whole list of
> posts is shown, with fields for "Subject" "From" "Date" etc.
>
> In the "Subject" field, is there a small character (something like a
> carat) immediately to the left of the Header text[1]?
> If so, by clicking on that carat you can unfurl (I'm sure there's a
> better word for this) the whole thread and then see (and navigate to)
> each post separately.
>
> [1] In the case of this post, it would be just before the "Re:" in  Re:
> TB 115.5.1
>
Tanks for the suggestion. I'll take a look for that when I next see the
problem, but as with the sentient hardware, the sentient software has
detected that I now know what it is up to to and is presenting threads
properly now :/

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 by: J. P. Gilliver - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 19:54 UTC

In message <hineN.3427$ogWb.2420@fx14.ams1> at Wed, 13 Dec 2023
19:07:58, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> writes
[]
>Maybe I have the wrong idea about what you are seeing, but just in case
>this helps...
>
>If you look at the 'top' field of Thunderbird where the whole list of
>posts is shown, with fields for "Subject" "From" "Date" etc.
>
>In the "Subject" field, is there a small character (something like a
>carat) immediately to the left of the Header text[1]?
>If so, by clicking on that carat you can unfurl (I'm sure there's a
>better word for this) the whole thread and then see (and navigate to)
>each post separately.

The term you're thinking of is, I think, expand (with its complement
being collapse). I think the caret changes direction to show whether
threads are collapsed or expanded - I haven't used TB for years, but I
think this sort of thing is common with newsreaders (and mail clients).

There may well be a similar caret (pointing up or down rather than left
or right) within whichever column (Date, From, etc.) the threads are
sorted by; usually clicking on one of those headings will cause that to
be the sort source, and clicking there again will reverse the sort order
(e. g., if sorting by date, will change from oldest at top to newest, or
similar). Sorry to those who already know this.
>
>[1] In the case of this post, it would be just before the "Re:" in Re:
>TB 115.5.1
>
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Where [other presenters] tackle the world with a box of watercolours, he
takes a spanner. - David Butcher (on Guy Martin), RT 2015/1/31-2/6

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 by: BrritSki - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 20:00 UTC

On 13/12/2023 19:51, BrritSki wrote:
> On 13/12/2023 19:07, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>> On 13-Dec-23 17:56, BrritSki wrote:
>>
> Thanks for the suggestion. I'll take a look for that when I next see the
> problem, but as with the sentient hardware, the sentient software has
> detected that I now know what it is up to to and is presenting threads
> properly now :/

And having forced TB to repeat the problem, that is indeed the solution.
Many thanks.

Still no real idea why it is doing it though - seems to be something to
do with the number of unread posts in the thread, but not consistent.

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 by: BrritSki - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 20:04 UTC

On 13/12/2023 20:00, BrritSki wrote:
> On 13/12/2023 19:51, BrritSki wrote:
>> On 13/12/2023 19:07, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>> On 13-Dec-23 17:56, BrritSki wrote:
>>>
>> Thanks for the suggestion. I'll take a look for that when I next see
>> the problem, but as with the sentient hardware, the sentient software
>> has detected that I now know what it is up to to and is presenting
>> threads properly now :/
>
>
> And having forced TB to repeat the problem, that is indeed the solution.

And now it isn't, unless I mark the thread as read and then mark it as
unread, go out of umra and come back in.

Then I can click the carat but all the posts are now showing as unread
in the group. Weird....

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 by: J. P. Gilliver - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 19:58 UTC

In message <bf1knidkcbkpiu15dlrsfnq0866nn4todi@4ax.com> at Wed, 13 Dec
2023 19:33:43, Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> writes
>Sam Plusnet wrote:
>
>>I use a mix of browsers.
>>On one, Youtube has given up showing me any video - I just get the audio
>>(no idea how I managed that).
>>On another I don't see any adverts at all.
>>I happened to fire up a third, and whas shocked & unhappy to find all
>>these adverts being shoved at me.
>>
>>I'll stick to Brave (a browser M'Lud) for Youtube.
>
>I mainly use Firefox with AdblockPlus. Until recently this worked
>well, but now YouTube detects the blocking and will not play (or
>will allow you one or two, and then blocks)
>
>I also watch quite a lot of material using my smart TV, and there
>is no easy way round the ads. I can accept a few seconds every so
>often, but over a minute at less than 5 minute intervals is
>getting really annoying.
>
>Chris

The most I'm getting that's uninterruptible is 20 (or 30, I can't
remember) seconds; all others have a "skip" button that appears after a
5 second countdown. (Not having a "smart" TV, I don't know if they have
an equivalent of a mouse that can click on the Skip button.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Where [other presenters] tackle the world with a box of watercolours, he
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 by: J. P. Gilliver - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 20:05 UTC

In message <ktugauFl2t0U1@mid.individual.net> at Wed, 13 Dec 2023
19:51:56, BrritSki <rtilburyTAKEOUT@gmail.com> writes
[]
>Tanks for the suggestion. I'll take a look for that when I next see the
>problem, but as with the sentient hardware, the sentient software has
>detected that I now know what it is up to to and is presenting threads
>properly now :/

It's working with Mike (I think it was)'s thermostat (where having a
replacement to hand has ensured the old one keeps working).
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Where [other presenters] tackle the world with a box of watercolours, he
takes a spanner. - David Butcher (on Guy Martin), RT 2015/1/31-2/6

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 by: J. P. Gilliver - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 20:08 UTC

In message <j5neN.3425$ogWb.2282@fx14.ams1> at Wed, 13 Dec 2023
18:54:08, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> writes
>On 13-Dec-23 13:41, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> Anyone know how to get a link to one of the intrusive ad.s on
[]
>>electric heaters, which "will warm a room in seconds, for a fraction
[]
>Since it's Youtube, I imagine the advertisers are outwith the remit of
>the UK's Advertising Standards Agency.
>
(Alias chocolate teapot anyway.) You may well be right. Though I'd have
hoped that if it's a British company selling to British people, our
authorities could do _something_, though it may be made a lot harder.

The US does have _some_ level of consumer protection/advertisement
control; it's generally weaker than ours, and varies by state, but it's
not completely absent.
--
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takes a spanner. - David Butcher (on Guy Martin), RT 2015/1/31-2/6

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 by: Serena Blanchflower - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 20:40 UTC

On 13/12/2023 14:07, Jenny M Benson wrote:
> On 13/12/2023 13:41, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> Anyone know how to get a link to one of the intrusive ad.s on YouTube?
>> I accept ad.s on YouTube as a way of paying for getting the service
>> free - I _don't_ run any ad-blockers, for that reason. But there's one
>> that's really bugging me at the moment - it's for electric heaters,
>> which "will warm a room in seconds, for a fraction of the electricity
>> cost" - and I _really_ want to report them to the ASA (and anything
>> else I can think of). Of course, no electric heater can warm even a
>> small _room_ in seconds (it can warm a _person_, if they're standing
>> right in front of it), and if it's going to have a perceptible effect
>> even on a person, it's going to need to be of a fair power. They also
>> use the word efficient (and/or inefficient, for competing products);
>> for an electric heater, there is no such thing as inefficiency (unless
>> they put out a lot of _light_ and are right by a window).
>
> Can't answer your question, but I did listen to an episode of Sliced
> Bread a while ago which talked about these heaters.  Can't remember now
> if they were actually categorised as BS but I am sure they weren't SB.
>

My memory (never too reliable) is that they were reckoned to be pretty
effective (as opposed to efficient) but only under very limited
circumstances. There were also significant safety concerns about them.
So not total BS but a very long way from being SB.

I've managed to find it on Sounds, if anyone is sufficiently interested
to want to listen:
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001dxtx>

--
Best wishes, Serena
Everything changes, nothing remains without change. (Buddha)

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 by: Chris J Dixon - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 21:00 UTC

J. P. Gilliver wrote:

>In message <bf1knidkcbkpiu15dlrsfnq0866nn4todi@4ax.com> at Wed, 13 Dec
>2023 19:33:43, Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> writes

>>I mainly use Firefox with AdblockPlus. Until recently this worked
>>well, but now YouTube detects the blocking and will not play (or
>>will allow you one or two, and then blocks)
>>
>>I also watch quite a lot of material using my smart TV, and there
>>is no easy way round the ads. I can accept a few seconds every so
>>often, but over a minute at less than 5 minute intervals is
>>getting really annoying.
>
>The most I'm getting that's uninterruptible is 20 (or 30, I can't
>remember) seconds; all others have a "skip" button that appears after a
>5 second countdown. (Not having a "smart" TV, I don't know if they have
>an equivalent of a mouse that can click on the Skip button.)

That had been my experience until recently, but some stuff I
watched yesterday seemed to be unusually loaded with lengthy ads
with no skip. I have no means of knowing if this was some sort of
glitch, was particular to the unexceptional site I was viewing,
or the way of future things.

The TV remote is similar to this:

<https://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-BN59-01315B-Genuine-Remote-Control/dp/B081RP7VBY/ref=asc_df_B081RP7VBY/?>
The <Enter > button, inside the four arrows, triggers the skip,
when offered.

Chris
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 by: Jim Easterbrook - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 21:58 UTC

On Wed, 13 Dec 2023 19:33:43 +0000, Chris J Dixon wrote:

> I also watch quite a lot of material using my smart TV, and there is no
> easy way round the ads. I can accept a few seconds every so often, but
> over a minute at less than 5 minute intervals is getting really
> annoying.

I still don't regret my decision to stick with a dumb TV. My PVR's jump
buttons are very effective at dealing with ads.

--
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 by: Serena Blanchflower - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 22:09 UTC

On 13/12/2023 17:56, BrritSki wrote:
> On 08/12/2023 17:27, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>
> I am posting here because this thread is just the latest manifestation
> of a problem I am having. I attach the query sent to Mozilla.
>
> Anyone else seeing the same problem ?
>
> I have been using TB for many years and use TB to read usenet posts only.
> Since the update, everything works well except one occasional problem.
> Sometimes a new post in a thread will result in the whole thread being
> shown with each post summarised in 2 or 3 lines. It is impossible to
> expaqnd the thread afaics or to read the full text of the new post. Even
> after clicking the thread shows as having unread messages. It is not
> possible to reply to any posts.
> I attach screenshots of 1 thread this afternoon both at the top and at
> the end (with lots of posts I scrolled past not shown) and another
> screenshot of what a new post normally looks like.
> THis seems entirely random. There is no pattern that I can dsiscern,
> it's not always the same user or a reply to the same user or always the
> same threads.
>
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I've had this problem, or something similar occasionally. More often
than not, I can expand the thread from the > in the message list against
the thread. Occasionally, it hasn't been keen to do this but I've been
able to navigate to the first unread message by clicking on "next
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--
Best wishes, Serena
Q. Why did the nurse creep into the cupboard?
A. So as not to wake the sleeping pills

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 by: Joe Kerr - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 23:03 UTC

On 13/12/2023 13:41, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> Anyone know how to get a link to one of the intrusive ad.s on YouTube? I
> accept ad.s on YouTube as a way of paying for getting the service free -
> I _don't_ run any ad-blockers, for that reason. But there's one that's
> really bugging me at the moment - it's for electric heaters, which "will
> warm a room in seconds, for a fraction of the electricity cost" - and I
> _really_ want to report them to the ASA (and anything else I can think
> of). Of course, no electric heater can warm even a small _room_ in
> seconds (it can warm a _person_, if they're standing right in front of
> it), and if it's going to have a perceptible effect even on a person,
> it's going to need to be of a fair power. They also use the word
> efficient (and/or inefficient, for competing products); for an electric
> heater, there is no such thing as inefficiency (unless they put out a
> lot of _light_ and are right by a window).
>
> Sorry, rant over - I just get cross when adverts mislead as blatantly as
> these do. As I said, I don't mind ad.s when just pushing one product
> over another (as long as they do so reasonably honestly), or are
> genuinely informative.
>
> [I'd hoped _gambling_ ones would by now have gone the way of tobacco,
> and some alcohol, ones, but obviously society has changed for the worse,
> and they're not ever going to. )-:]

I do use ad-blockers and rarely use You Tube, but I do still see the
occasional add on 'Tube. The link to the add is probably "hidden" the
same as the videos are. Could you do screen prints of any offending
on-screen text (subtitles?) and the company name and let ASA work it
out. The advertiser probably has a website somewhere making the same claims.

--
Ric

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