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+* OT: Energy useJohn Ashby
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| `- OT: Energy usekrw
+* OT: Energy use!)!)Mike McMillan
|+* OT: Energy use!)!)Mike McMillan
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|||`- OT: Energy use!)!)Mike McMillan
||`* OT: Energy use!)!)BrritSki
|| +- OT: Energy use!)!)Nick Odell
|| `* OT: Energy use!)!)Mike McMillan
||  `* OT: Energy use!)!)Mike McMillan
||   +* OT: Energy use!)!)John Ashby
||   |`* OT: Energy use!)!)Joe Kerr
||   | `* OT: Energy use!)!)Chris J Dixon
||   |  +- OT: Energy use!)!)Mike McMillan
||   |  +* OT: Energy use!)!)Vicky
||   |  |`* OT: Energy use!)!)Sam Plusnet
||   |  | `- OT: Energy use!)!)Mike McMillan
||   |  `* OT: Energy use!)!)krw
||   |   `* OT: Energy use!)!)Rosie Mitchell
||   |    `- OT: Energy use!)!)Nick Odell
||   `* OT: Energy use!)!)Vicky
||    +* OT: Energy use!)!)Kate B
||    |`- OT: Energy use!)!)Nick Odell
||    `* OT: Energy use!)!)Chris
||     +* OT: Energy use!)!)Mike McMillan
||     |`- OT: Energy use!)!)Mike McMillan
||     `* OT: Energy use!)!)J. P. Gilliver
||      +* OT: Energy use!)!)Sam Plusnet
||      |`- OT: Energy use!)!)Clive Arthur
||      `* OT: Energy use!)!)Mike McMillan
||       `* OT: Energy use!)!)J. P. Gilliver
||        `* OT: Energy use!)!)Clive Arthur
||         `* OT: Energy use!)!)Sam Plusnet
||          `* OT: Energy use!)!)Mike McMillan
||           `* OT: Energy use!)!)Nick Odell
||            +* OT: Energy use!)!)Chris
||            |`* OT: Energy use!)!)Mike McMillan
||            | `* OT: Energy use!)!)J. P. Gilliver
||            |  `* OT: Energy use!)!)J. P. Gilliver
||            |   +* OT: Energy use!)!)Jenny M Benson
||            |   |+* OT: Energy use!)!)Mike McMillan
||            |   ||`- OT: Energy use!)!)J. P. Gilliver
||            |   |+* OT: Energy use!)!)Serena Blanchflower
||            |   ||`- OT: Energy use!)!)J. P. Gilliver
||            |   |`* OT: Energy use!)!)Chris
||            |   | `- OT: Energy use!)!)Mike McMillan
||            |   +* OT: Energy use!)!)Chris J Dixon
||            |   |+* OT: Energy use!)!)Mike McMillan
||            |   ||`* OT: Energy use!)!)J. P. Gilliver
||            |   || `* OT: Energy use!)!)Sam Plusnet
||            |   ||  `* OT: Energy use!)!)Chris J Dixon
||            |   ||   +- OT: Energy use!)!)John Ashby
||            |   ||   +* OT: Energy use!)!)J. P. Gilliver
||            |   ||   |`* OT: Energy use!)!)Chris J Dixon
||            |   ||   | `* OT: Energy use!)!)Jenny M Benson
||            |   ||   |  +* OT: Energy use!)!)Vicky
||            |   ||   |  |`* OT: ad.sJ. P. Gilliver
||            |   ||   |  | `* OT: ad.sJenny M Benson
||            |   ||   |  |  `- OT: ad.sJ. P. Gilliver
||            |   ||   |  `- OT: Energy use!)!)Mike McMillan
||            |   ||   +* OT: Energy use!)!)Jim Easterbrook
||            |   ||   |+- OT: Energy use!)!)J. P. Gilliver
||            |   ||   |+* OT: Energy use!)!)Chris J Dixon
||            |   ||   ||`* OT: Energy use!)!)Jim Easterbrook
||            |   ||   || +- OT: Energy use!)!)Mike McMillan
||            |   ||   || +* OT: Energy use!)!)Nick Odell
||            |   ||   || |`- OT: Energy use!)!)krw
||            |   ||   || `* OT: Energy use!)!)Chris J Dixon
||            |   ||   ||  `* OT: Energy use!)!)Jim Easterbrook
||            |   ||   ||   +* OT: Energy use!)!)J. P. Gilliver
||            |   ||   ||   |+* OT: Energy use!)!)Chris J Dixon
||            |   ||   ||   ||`- OT: Energy use!)!)Mike McMillan
||            |   ||   ||   |`- OT: Energy use!)!)Joe Kerr
||            |   ||   ||   `* OT: Energy use!)!)BrritSki
||            |   ||   ||    `- OT: Energy use!)!)Jim Easterbrook
||            |   ||   |`* OT: Energy use!)!)krw
||            |   ||   | `- OT: Energy use!)!)Joe Kerr
||            |   ||   `- OT: Energy use!)!)Sam Plusnet
||            |   |`* OT: Energy use!)!)John Ashby
||            |   | `- OT: Energy use!)!)Mike McMillan
||            |   +* OT: Energy use!)!)Sam Plusnet
||            |   |`- OT: Energy use!)!)J. P. Gilliver
||            |   +* OT: Energy use!)!)Joe Kerr
||            |   |`* OT: Energy use!)!)J. P. Gilliver
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||            |   |  `* OT: Energy use!)!)J. P. Gilliver
||            |   |   `* OT: Energy use!)!)Iain Archer
||            |   |    +- OT: Energy use!)!) - now video downloadersJ. P. Gilliver
||            |   |    `* OT: Energy use!)!)Sam Plusnet
||            |   |     `- OT: Energy use!)!)J. P. Gilliver
||            |   `* OT: Energy use!)!)Nick Odell
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||            |      `* OT: Energy use!)!)Iain Archer
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 by: J. P. Gilliver - Thu, 14 Dec 2023 23:27 UTC

In message <ku1cp0F4t8uU2@mid.individual.net> at Thu, 14 Dec 2023
22:09:36, Jim Easterbrook <news@jim-easterbrook.me.uk> writes
>On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 19:54:40 +0000, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>
>> There is a plethora of, to me, interesting stuff out there - technical,
>> engineering, construction, machinery, off-grid... much of it with high
>> production values. It is amazing what some people can achieve with their
>> own hands, even if one worries about their safety from time to time.
>
>All I ever seem to see is people taking quarter of an hour to tell me
>something that I could have read in a minute or less. Luckily it's usually
>easy to jump to the bit where they actually show how to remove the cover
>of the thing I can't get apart.
>
I agree, there are certainly lots of woffle majors on there! But there
are some interesting videos, and not all are major wofflers - there's
one I've looked at quite a few of who makes quite short ones (often
about things I didn't think I wanted to know about but found
interesting) - IIRR he's called Tom Scott. And another one called
Techmoan, about the history (and technology) of various audio/video
technologies. And another called something Connections, whose videos
always look to be too long to just be about what the title suggests, but
which I find when I watch them quite interesting.
Certainly, the ones showing you how to do something to a specific item -
replace the screen on an Acer laptop, or get at the door mechanism on a
Škoda - do often take ages to get to it. But still, they do show you,
and as you say it's easy to skip.

Despite the ad.s, and the woffle, I think YouTube is a great resource.
And for finding old video of music, it's unequalled I think: I must have
hundreds now of Nana Mouskouri, Mireille Mathieu, Julie Andrews, ...
(though Mimi is queen of "le playback" as the French call it - i. e. she
nearly always mimes, so performances are of a lot fewer actual
recordings - but then she acts the songs very visually. And is of course
very nice to look at).

My spell checker wants to change woffle to waffle. I thought the latter
was the batter grids, and the former the chuntering; I'm probably wrong.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I don't see the requirement to upset people. ... There's enough to make fun of
without offending. - Ronnie Corbett, in Radio Times 6-12 August 2011.

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 by: Iain Archer - Thu, 14 Dec 2023 23:51 UTC

On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 21:34:12 +0000, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

> In message <pXoGEi94q1elFwLT@255soft.uk> at Thu, 14 Dec 2023 19:42:48,
> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes []
>>would stoop so low as to do it.) Anyway, here it is - don't watch if you
>>are at all technical, if you're susceptible to high blood pressure:
>>youtube.com/watch?v=3tZgiwc_SSc Now to do battle with the ASA's website.
>
> Have now done so. I've had the auto-ack; I will (if I remember) report
> on how it goes.

Possibly primed by the preceding "do battle with", momentarily IRTA
"I've had the ack-ack".

I succeeded with a complaint to ASA, years ago. There's nothing much to it,
if the complainee isn't going to be able to provide adequate substantiating
evidence.

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On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 21:32:44 +0000, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

> In message <mthmnilfn7gokd4hse19mmio4n5a2r17d2@4ax.com> at Thu, 14 Dec
> 2023 18:29:36, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> writes
>>On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 03:08:12 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
>>wrote:
>><snip>
>>>(I use yt-dlp a lot, so am not bothered about that for the videos; it
>>>works very well - haven't had a YT video not work with it for months.
>>>Despite its name, it works on many other sites too - such as the BBC.)
>><snip>
>>
>>Thanks for that yt-dlp tip - I've added it to my youtubelinks.txt file
>>to investigate further when I get home.
>
> I use it when I want to keep something. It's a command-line thing - I
> know that sends some people into a spin, but it's dead simple - you just
> type
> yt-dlp URL
>
> , and you can copy-and-paste the URL. Even less typing if - as I have
> done - you rename "yt-dlp.exe" to "y.exe".

I've been using it for a while. Do you use the -F option, to enable you to
select from all the available formats? I'm still occasionally downloading
what turns out to be a silent video, but that's probably my own lack
of care.

Iain

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 by: J. P. Gilliver - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 07:49 UTC

In message <ulg4eo$1hpmb$2@dont-email.me> at Thu, 14 Dec 2023 23:51:52,
Iain Archer <ianews@montaigne.me.uk> writes
>On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 21:34:12 +0000, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>
>> In message <pXoGEi94q1elFwLT@255soft.uk> at Thu, 14 Dec 2023 19:42:48,
>> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes []
>>>would stoop so low as to do it.) Anyway, here it is - don't watch if you
>>>are at all technical, if you're susceptible to high blood pressure:
>>>youtube.com/watch?v=3tZgiwc_SSc Now to do battle with the ASA's website.
>>
>> Have now done so. I've had the auto-ack; I will (if I remember) report
>> on how it goes.
>
>Possibly primed by the preceding "do battle with", momentarily IRTA
>"I've had the ack-ack".
>
>I succeeded with a complaint to ASA, years ago. There's nothing much to it,
>if the complainee isn't going to be able to provide adequate substantiating
>evidence.
>
It depends what you mean by "succeed". I too have had "success" in the
past, if that is taken as meaning they uphold the complaint; it's what
they _do_ that's usually disappointing - the usual is a commitment from
the advertiser not to run that ad. again without modifying it. I don't
think I've ever succeeded in getting anyone fined, or even just forced
to publish a retraction. On the whole, they _state_ that their aim is
mostly to control advertising in that way, rather than to punish, which
I'm sure isn't what most of we public would like their attitude to be.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

The modern world so often thinks that the way to relax is by doing absolutely
nothing, and I've never really understood that.
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 by: J. P. Gilliver - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 07:45 UTC

In message <ulg4u4$1hpmb$3@dont-email.me> at Fri, 15 Dec 2023 00:00:04,
Iain Archer <ianews@montaigne.me.uk> writes
>On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 21:32:44 +0000, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
[]
>> I use it when I want to keep something. It's a command-line thing - I
>> know that sends some people into a spin, but it's dead simple - you just
>> type
>> yt-dlp URL
>>
>> , and you can copy-and-paste the URL. Even less typing if - as I have
>> done - you rename "yt-dlp.exe" to "y.exe".
>
>I've been using it for a while. Do you use the -F option, to enable you to
>select from all the available formats? I'm still occasionally downloading
>what turns out to be a silent video, but that's probably my own lack
>of care.
>
>Iain
>
On the whole, I mainly now use -F (shortly followed by -f, of course!)
only when I find I've downloaded something that doesn't play on my
system - two films from the BBC were the last examples. (I went for the
next resolution down.) Usually, I just use the default, which I think
goes for the best (audio and video) available. (Even for music-only
tracks - I extract the audio afterwards; I've built up muscle memory
that's quicker than doing the -F/-f dance. Also, if it's a music track
with static record sleeve shown, I sometimes run the downloaded through
VLC briefly just to take a snap thereof before extracting the audio and
deleting the "video".)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

The losses on both sides at Borodino [1812], 70 miles from Moscow, are the
equivalent of a jumbo jet crashing into an area of six square miles every five
minutes for the whole ten hours of the battle, killing or wounding everyone on
board. - Andrew Roberts on Napoleon, RT 2015/6/13-19

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 by: Chris J Dixon - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 09:07 UTC

J. P. Gilliver wrote:

>I agree, there are certainly lots of woffle majors on there! But there
>are some interesting videos, and not all are major wofflers - there's
>one I've looked at quite a few of who makes quite short ones (often
>about things I didn't think I wanted to know about but found
>interesting) - IIRR he's called Tom Scott.

<https://www.youtube.com/@TomScottGo>

Yes, usually interesting and reasonably succinct, but he is
shortly winding up his activity.

> And another one called
>Techmoan, about the history (and technology) of various audio/video
>technologies. And another called something Connections, whose videos
>always look to be too long to just be about what the title suggests, but
>which I find when I watch them quite interesting.

<https://www.youtube.com/@TechnologyConnections>

He does go on at some length, but has some fascinating
information.

For an off-grid couple starting with a blank slate
<https://www.youtube.com/@AmbitionStrikes>

Someone undaunted by the problems of elderly plant
<https://www.youtube.com/@FarmCraft101>

Informed views on technical issues
<https://www.youtube.com/@UndecidedMF>

Construction information
<https://www.youtube.com/@TheB1M>

Well-informed engineering explanations
<https://www.youtube.com/@PracticalEngineeringChannel>

Strange and unusual short topics
<https://www.youtube.com/@TheTimTraveller>

Chris
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On 14/12/2023 22:09, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 19:54:40 +0000, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>
>> There is a plethora of, to me, interesting stuff out there - technical,
>> engineering, construction, machinery, off-grid... much of it with high
>> production values. It is amazing what some people can achieve with their
>> own hands, even if one worries about their safety from time to time.
>
> All I ever seem to see is people taking quarter of an hour to tell me
> something that I could have read in a minute or less. Luckily it's usually
> easy to jump to the bit where they actually show how to remove the cover
> of the thing I can't get apart.
>
I don;t bery often watch those kind of how-to vids unless vital and I
can't find TFM to R.

I like the following

Kris Harbor
Nik Rijavec
Martijn Doolaard
Wild WOnderful Off Grid
Erik Grankvist
Renovacile
Sullivan - these last 2 are good for improving your French too if you
can follow the accent :)
Ateliermavi - ditto with added Italian and is very close to where we
used to live
carlrogers
Kyles Cabin
Bad Obsession Motorsport (lots of BT puns)
The Outsider
The Dutch Farmer

I mostly watch at 1.5 or even 1.75 playback speed...

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> This is very odd. I am not having any problems at all with TB 115.1.1
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I note in passing that my email client of choice, KMail, is currently at
release 5.19.3. Emacs, which I use in conjunction with Gnus to read
umra, is on release 27.1 but then Emacs has been around in one form or
another for nearly 50 years.

The whole major version inflation with Mozilla, and with Chrome (now at
version 120) really annoys me. I can understand lots of security updates
but not anything up to eight new major versions a year.

Who are they trying to impress? Especially as one major version seldom
seems much different from the previous one?

Rosie

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11:19:49, Rosie Mitchell <rcmitchell@golgonooza.co.uk> writes
>Kate B <elvira@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
>> This is very odd. I am not having any problems at all with TB 115.1.1
>> (32-bit) except for the annoying habit of not remembering I only want
>> to see unread posts.
>
>I note in passing that my email client of choice, KMail, is currently at
>release 5.19.3. Emacs, which I use in conjunction with Gnus to read
>umra, is on release 27.1 but then Emacs has been around in one form or
>another for nearly 50 years.

Ah, I remember Emacs ... (same as Adlestrop.)
>
>The whole major version inflation with Mozilla, and with Chrome (now at
>version 120) really annoys me. I can understand lots of security updates
>but not anything up to eight new major versions a year.
>
>Who are they trying to impress? Especially as one major version seldom
>seems much different from the previous one?

Yes, it _is_ irritating.

I think it's partly that what would in the past have been minor updates
are now major as there's not really anyone in control, and partly that
if they call it a major update, they don't have to worry about backwards
compatibility as much as they used to.
>
>Rosie
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"If even one person" arguments allow the perfect to become the enemy of the
good, and thus they tend to cause more harm than good.
- Jimmy Akins quoted by Scott Adams, 2015-5-5

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Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> wrote:
> J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>
>> I agree, there are certainly lots of woffle majors on there! But there
>> are some interesting videos, and not all are major wofflers - there's
>> one I've looked at quite a few of who makes quite short ones (often
>> about things I didn't think I wanted to know about but found
>> interesting) - IIRR he's called Tom Scott.
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/@TomScottGo>
>
> Yes, usually interesting and reasonably succinct, but he is
> shortly winding up his activity.
>
>> And another one called
>> Techmoan, about the history (and technology) of various audio/video
>> technologies. And another called something Connections, whose videos
>> always look to be too long to just be about what the title suggests, but
>> which I find when I watch them quite interesting.
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/@TechnologyConnections>
>
> He does go on at some length, but has some fascinating
> information.
>
> For an off-grid couple starting with a blank slate
> <https://www.youtube.com/@AmbitionStrikes>
>
> Someone undaunted by the problems of elderly plant
> <https://www.youtube.com/@FarmCraft101>
>
> Informed views on technical issues
> <https://www.youtube.com/@UndecidedMF>
>
> Construction information
> <https://www.youtube.com/@TheB1M>
>
> Well-informed engineering explanations
> <https://www.youtube.com/@PracticalEngineeringChannel>
>
> Strange and unusual short topics
> <https://www.youtube.com/@TheTimTraveller>
>
> Chris

We must have very similar interests; I also watch almost all those
presenters on a regular basis. I think YT knows my particular interests and
short lists these for me!

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

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 by: John Ashby - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 12:40 UTC

On 15/12/2023 11:19, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
> Kate B <elvira@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
>> This is very odd. I am not having any problems at all with TB 115.1.1
>> (32-bit) except for the annoying habit of not remembering I only want
>> to see unread posts.
>
> I note in passing that my email client of choice, KMail, is currently at
> release 5.19.3. Emacs, which I use in conjunction with Gnus to read
> umra, is on release 27.1 but then Emacs has been around in one form or
> another for nearly 50 years.
>
> The whole major version inflation with Mozilla, and with Chrome (now at
> version 120) really annoys me. I can understand lots of security updates
> but not anything up to eight new major versions a year.
>
> Who are they trying to impress? Especially as one major version seldom
> seems much different from the previous one?
>
> Rosie

I can remember a time when thae advice was never to trust any software
with a version number lower than 3 or higher than 10. Then Knuth started
his habit of incrementing the version number of TeX by adding another
digit to the approximation approaching \pi from below and the same for
Metafont with e.

john

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 by: John Ashby - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 12:46 UTC

On 13/12/2023 22:09, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
> On 13/12/2023 17:56, BrritSki wrote:
>> On 08/12/2023 17:27, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>>
>> I am posting here because this thread is just the latest manifestation
>> of a problem I am having. I attach the query sent to Mozilla.
>>
>> Anyone else seeing the same problem ?
>>
>> I have been using TB for many years and use TB to read usenet posts only.
>> Since the update, everything works well except one occasional problem.
>> Sometimes a new post in a thread will result in the whole thread being
>> shown with each post summarised in 2 or 3 lines. It is impossible to
>> expaqnd the thread afaics or to read the full text of the new post.
>> Even after clicking the thread shows as having unread messages. It is
>> not possible to reply to any posts.
>> I attach screenshots of 1 thread this afternoon both at the top and at
>> the end (with lots of posts I scrolled past not shown) and another
>> screenshot of what a new post normally looks like.
>> THis seems entirely random. There is no pattern that I can dsiscern,
>> it's not always the same user or a reply to the same user or always
>> the same threads.
>>
> <snip the not-a-screenshot>
>
> I've had this problem, or something similar occasionally.  More often
> than not, I can expand the thread from the > in the message list against
> the thread.  Occasionally, it hasn't been keen to do this but I've been
> able to navigate to the first unread message by clicking on "next
> message" and, after that, it's fine again.
>
>

I don't know if any of the problems you have all been reporting are in
this list but here are the bug fixes for verrsion 115.5.2:

fixed

"Compact" option was missing from folder context menu for IMAP accounts
using maildir
fixed

Message list could not be properly read by screen readers in table view
fixed

Messages with slow-loading images were delayed being marked as read
fixed

Messages opened in background tab were incorrectly marked as read
fixed

Mark All Read did not work for virtual folders
fixed

Delete (trash icon) in message display did not work in Unified folders
fixed

Unified folders were missing "Mark Folder Read" option in context menu
fixed

"Reply to List" was incorrectly disabled in Unified Toolbar since
Thunderbird 115.4.1
fixed

Sorting by column with "Grouped By" enabled then performing a quick
filter search caused blank message pane
fixed

Attachment list did not always appear if remote message content loaded
slowly
fixed

Messages in outbox were not shown as unread by default
fixed

"Apply columns to" sometimes failed to apply columns to a root folder
and its descendants
fixed

Global search results displayed as a list did not allow threads to be
collapsed
fixed

"Quick Filter" button on toolbar was disabled when viewing search
results as a list
fixed

Folder open hover delay was too short when using drag-and-drop
fixed

Parent folders with collapsed subfolders did not consistently display
new mail indicator or message count for subfolders
fixed

Message list scroll position could move randomly when switching folders
fixed

Undoing deletion of local messages required using "Undo" (Ctrl-Z) twice
fixed

IMAP messages deleted in Thunderbird still appeared in other email
clients that don't respect messages marked "\deleted"
fixed

IMAP folder discovery was slowed by status bar message updates
fixed

Servers with non-LDH (letters-digits-hyphens) hostnames, such as those
containing non-ASCII Unicode characters, could not be found
fixed

Images could not be copied and pasted from one message into another
fixed

Troubleshooting page (about:support) did not work on profiles with no
outgoing email server, such as news-only profiles
fixed

Minimize/maximize button order was incorrect when placing window
titlebar buttons on left-hand side
fixed

OpenPGP integraton with smartcard using latest version of Gpg4Win failed
fixed

Various accessibility improvements
fixed

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 by: krw - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 13:15 UTC

On 14.12.23 18:20, Nick Odell wrote:
> do you remember when Tesla owners got locked out
> of their cars because the server at the factory went off line?

No.

I do recall when my Chromecast was responsible for knocking out the
broadband and an engineer visit was needed - but could find nothing
wrong. As he could find nothing wrong I turned everything off and it
was only when I reconnected the Chromecast did the broadband go down.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

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 by: krw - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 14:26 UTC

On 15.12.23 11:48, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <87h6kjiuga.fsf@golgonooza.co.uk> at Fri, 15 Dec 2023
> 11:19:49, Rosie Mitchell <rcmitchell@golgonooza.co.uk> writes
>> Kate B <elvira@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes:
>>
>>> This is very odd. I am not having any problems at all with TB 115.1.1
>>> (32-bit) except for the annoying habit of not remembering I only want
>>> to see unread posts.
>>
>> I note in passing that my email client of choice, KMail, is currently at
>> release 5.19.3. Emacs, which I use in conjunction with Gnus to read
>> umra, is on release 27.1 but then Emacs has been around in one form or
>> another for nearly 50 years.
>
> Ah, I remember Emacs ... (same as Adlestrop.)
>>
>> The whole major version  inflation with Mozilla, and with Chrome (now at
>> version 120) really annoys me. I can understand lots of security updates
>> but not anything up to eight new major versions a year.
>>
>> Who are they trying to impress? Especially as one major version seldom
>> seems much different from the previous one?
>
> Yes, it _is_ irritating.
>
> I think it's partly that what would in the past have been minor updates
> are now major as there's not really anyone in control, and partly that
> if they call it a major update, they don't have to worry about backwards
> compatibility as much as they used to.
>>
>> Rosie

Thunderbird releases are no longer sequential, they appear to have
jumped from 90 something to 100 something to 110 something (115). I am
not sure how the numbers are derived - I expect if you google somewhere
you can be told.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

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On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 10:35:59 +0000, BrritSki wrote:

> On 14/12/2023 22:09, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
>>
>> All I ever seem to see is people taking quarter of an hour to tell me
>> something that I could have read in a minute or less. Luckily it's
>> usually easy to jump to the bit where they actually show how to remove
>> the cover of the thing I can't get apart.
>>
> I don;t bery often watch those kind of how-to vids unless vital and I
> can't find TFM to R.

Oh I can find it, when it exists. It says "no user serviceable parts
inside".

--
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1959/1985? M B+ G+ A L- I- S- P-- CH0(p) Ar++ T+ H0 Q--- Sh0

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 by: Sam Plusnet - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 18:26 UTC

On 15-Dec-23 0:00, Iain Archer wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 21:32:44 +0000, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>
>> In message <mthmnilfn7gokd4hse19mmio4n5a2r17d2@4ax.com> at Thu, 14 Dec
>> 2023 18:29:36, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> writes
>>> On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 03:08:12 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>> (I use yt-dlp a lot, so am not bothered about that for the videos; it
>>>> works very well - haven't had a YT video not work with it for months.
>>>> Despite its name, it works on many other sites too - such as the BBC.)
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> Thanks for that yt-dlp tip - I've added it to my youtubelinks.txt file
>>> to investigate further when I get home.
>>
>> I use it when I want to keep something. It's a command-line thing - I
>> know that sends some people into a spin, but it's dead simple - you just
>> type
>> yt-dlp URL
>>
>> , and you can copy-and-paste the URL. Even less typing if - as I have
>> done - you rename "yt-dlp.exe" to "y.exe".
>
> I've been using it for a while. Do you use the -F option, to enable you to
> select from all the available formats? I'm still occasionally downloading
> what turns out to be a silent video, but that's probably my own lack
> of care.

I use "4k Video Downloader" which is pretty user-friendly. It suits my
"I just want a copy of this - I don't wish to spend several hours
learning a command set which will almost achieve what I need"
attitude.
I am willing to spend time learning some topics, but there are plenty
more occasions when I want a utility to 'util' without any fuss or bother.

--
Sam Plusnet

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 by: J. P. Gilliver - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 22:22 UTC

In message <%S0fN.32039$xHn7.24272@fx14.iad> at Fri, 15 Dec 2023
18:26:03, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> writes
[]
>> On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 21:32:44 +0000, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
[]
>>> I use it when I want to keep something. It's a command-line thing - I
>>> know that sends some people into a spin, but it's dead simple - you just
>>> type
>>> yt-dlp URL
>>>
>>> , and you can copy-and-paste the URL. Even less typing if - as I have
>>> done - you rename "yt-dlp.exe" to "y.exe".
[]
>I use "4k Video Downloader" which is pretty user-friendly. It suits my
>"I just want a copy of this - I don't wish to spend several hours
>learning a command set which will almost achieve what I need"
>attitude.

I think I tried that; certainly I tried one with a GUI interface, and
that name rings a faint bell.

I've nowhere near learnt y's "command set": nine times out of ten
(actually a lot more than that), just the default works fine - no
commands, no parameters other than the URL of the page containing the
video (and that works for most such pages - YouTube, BBC Sounds, and
more or less any other I've tried). Knowing y _has_ a command set for
the rare time I need it is fine.

>I am willing to spend time learning some topics, but there are plenty
>more occasions when I want a utility to 'util' without any fuss or
>bother.
>
y (my rename of yt-dlp) does that for me. If 4KVD does for you, that's
fine too.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

* SLMR 2.1a #113 * Tits like watermelons, sparrows like bacon rind.
- 03-22-97 Dave Beecham <dave.beecham@pandbox.demon.co.uk> (quoted by
Gene Wirchenko, in alt.windows7.general, 2012-10-16.)

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On 10.12.23 16:22, Chris J Dixon wrote:
> I once spent a few weeks in a grotty flat in darkest Salford (so
> long ago that Salford Van Hire only hired vans in Salford)

I assume they broke down if the left the City.
--
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 by: krw - Sat, 16 Dec 2023 11:01 UTC

On 12.12.23 16:29, Nick Odell wrote:
> I'm convinced of the sentience of inanimate
> objects when their very exixtence is in peril.

So am I. I have been googling a replacement for a particular bit of kit
(it is about 5 years old and contains hard drives and is not as fast as
it used to be - but that applies to me as well) and suspiciously
everything in the study is playing up - the PC, the printer, the ipad
(to the point of consulting Apple support), a couple of hard drives, but
not the bit of kit which was going to be replaced.
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Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
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On 13.12.23 21:58, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
> My PVR's jump
> buttons are very effective at dealing with ads.

Regrettably they do not work when watching live for some reason.
--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
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In message <teednUMi98_jHuD4nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> at Sat,
16 Dec 2023 11:01:20, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> writes
>On 12.12.23 16:29, Nick Odell wrote:
>> I'm convinced of the sentience of inanimate
>> objects when their very exixtence is in peril.
>
>So am I. I have been googling a replacement for a particular bit of
>kit (it is about 5 years old and contains hard drives and is not as
>fast as it used to be - but that applies to me as well) and
[]
You contain hard drives?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Never make the same mistake twice...there are so many new ones to make!

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On 14/12/2023 23:27, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

> My spell checker wants to change woffle to waffle. I thought the latter
> was the batter grids, and the former the chuntering; I'm probably wrong.

If you have access to a good dictionary I think you will find they are
both waffle.

--
Ric

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 by: Joe Kerr - Sat, 16 Dec 2023 12:05 UTC

On 16/12/2023 11:06, krw wrote:
> On 13.12.23 21:58, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
>> My PVR's jump
>> buttons are very effective at dealing with ads.
>
> Regrettably they do not work when watching live for some reason.

My TV can record programs. I found it can also play back a program
whilst recording it. If I am rash enough to watch a movie (for example)
with adverty things I record it then, about 30 minutes later or as
convenient, I start to watch the recording and fast forward over the
annoyances. My watching ends when or soon after the broadcast does and
I've saved the time of my delayed start.

--
Ric

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From: rcmitchell@golgonooza.co.uk (Rosie Mitchell)
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 by: Rosie Mitchell - Sat, 16 Dec 2023 12:47 UTC

"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes:

>>I note in passing that my email client of choice, KMail, is currently at
>>release 5.19.3. Emacs, which I use in conjunction with Gnus to read
>>umra, is on release 27.1 but then Emacs has been around in one form or
>>another for nearly 50 years.
>
> Ah, I remember Emacs ... (same as Adlestrop.)

In the beginning, Emacs created God.

Rosie

Re: OT: Energy use!)!)

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 by: Rosie Mitchell - Sat, 16 Dec 2023 13:26 UTC

krw <krw@whitnet.uk> writes:

> On 10.12.23 16:22, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>> I once spent a few weeks in a grotty flat in darkest Salford (so
>> long ago that Salford Van Hire only hired vans in Salford)
>
> I assume they broke down if the left the City.

There was a time when Manchester taxis could charge extra if they
crossed the city boundary, and the boundaries of the city are drawn so
weirdly[1] that it was all too easy for your taxi to stray, whether by
accident or design. I am <cough> sure that this anomaly has now being
rectified, if only by the threat of Uber.

Rosie

[1] My theory for this, and even for the continued existence of Salford
as a discreet political entity even though you can't see the join, is
that the grandees of 19th century London were terrified of Manchester's
wealth (from Trade, for heaven's sake) and its reputation for
radicalism, and cut it down to size. Unlike Birmingham, which had a lot
of bits added to it over the decades, Manchester had bits lopped off:
Reddish and Levenshulme to Stockport, Failsworth to Oldham and so
on. Instead of the organic major city of 3 million plus it really is,
the city is contrained within a boundary that looks suspicious like a
salamander enclosing fewer than half a million people. Divide and rule!

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