Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Apr 2024 20:17:40 +0100, Coffee
> <
>>
> IME foxes in town will either wait or move back from the road while
> cats will more often try to run across the road. Splattered foxes only
> seem to be on motorways and dual carriageways out in the sticks so
> Darwin seems to be involved.
>

Here in the Countryside where they are quite stealthy but easy to find if
you really want to
seeing a roadkill one is rare, the ones that seem to be hit more often are
cubs so perhaps they were following a parent or sibling .
You do see a lot of Badgers and TBH I think some were not alive when they
were hit.
Being a protected species their numbers have recovered well over recent
decades and when one visits can do a lot of damage to a garden plus for
cattle farmers there is the TB issue. Nobody unauthorised can legally touch
them but if you despatch one with a shotgun or rifle disposing of the
carcass by putting it by the side of a road where it will get hit
repeatedly and look like it was killed that way is a practice known to
take place.
Had the regular one pass through the garden about 4am according to the
trail camera but fortunately it just digs through the compost pile for
worms etc, quite useful as it saves me turning it over.

GH

On Thu, 4 Apr 2024 16:32:30 -0000 (UTC)
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
><Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>> No, not whoosh. You were making the tired old point of mass immigration in
>the
>> past so whats to worry about today blah blah blah.
>>
>> I wonder how the Celts felt about it. I doubt it was open arms and Kumbaya.
>
>No, I was parodying anyone who thinks the British are, or ever have been, a
>pure blooded homogeneous anything.

Entirely irrelevant as you well know. Cultural cohesion and shared values
matters a lot more than people like you think. The fact you don't understand
that suggests perhaps you're somewhere on the autistic spectrum.

Thats before we get onto public services struggling. Go into any london
hospital A&E and see how often you hear english spoken amongst the people
waiting there. And no, a few doctors from Egypt or wherever does NOT make up
for it.

>But following on from the Celts, I also guess that anyone who thinks the
>demographic and ethnic changes we’re seeing at the moment (the vast
>majority of immigration being enabled and welcomed by the British
>government) is anything like an invasion has probably never been invaded

5 million people rocking up in the last 20 years might not be an invasion
but its pretty damn close.

On Thu, 4 Apr 2024 19:34:08 +0100
JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
>On 04/04/2024 15:46, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>> No, not whoosh. You were making the tired old point of mass immigration in
>the
>> past so whats to worry about today blah blah blah.
>>
>> I wonder how the Celts felt about it. I doubt it was open arms and Kumbaya.
>
>
>I don't think the authorities would approve today if we cut their heads
>off and displayed them like the Celts did. Even the Met Police might do
>something.

Probably only if they were misgendered post mortem.

In message <uuhk8h$3c94o$2@dont-email.me>, at 20:54:08 on Tue, 2 Apr
2024, Bob <bob@domain.com> remarked:

>When I lived in the Look East area, it was sometimes quite comical how
>the 18.30 Look East 30 minute slot frequently had to be padded simply
>because nothing much of interest had happened. I recall one occasion
>where they interviewed an older lady because she had decided to move to
>Australia because since she retired, she wanted to be near to her
>daughter and grandkids. That was the extent of the story.

I used to parody 'Look East' with "Breaking news: this morning a man in
Norwich stubbed his toe".

On a more serious note, we recorded a piece about online threats, at
home with a film crew and director/interviewer (I don't think I'd go as
far as to call him a "reporter") for East Midlands local news.

We asked when it was going to be aired, and he said "probably never".
"We just tour around doing non time-critical fillers for them to show on
slow news days. Yesterday we were at a pig farm with a farmer who are
never short of things to complain about." [It's too wet, too dry, too
hot, too cold...]

I think it did eventually get aired as an intro, to a by then vaguely
topical piece, on national BBC Breakfast.

They need camera crews on standby, in case an airplane crashes into the
centre of Nottingham (or whatever), and it doesn't cost much more for
them to keep busy doing these interviews, rather than sitting in the
canteen drinking tea.
--
Roland Perry

In message <ii%ON.39444$lu2.23068@fx15.ams1>, at 22:05:02 on Tue, 2 Apr
2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:

>> So not a parallel 24x7 version of channel 231 (and Freesat equivalent).
>>
>> Which was the brief. Please harder to follow the brief.
>
>You asked a question, which was answered.

No it wasn't, I asked about a hypothetical separate Scottish-originated
24x7 news service.

>Please try not to be so obnoxious when gaps in your knowledge are
>filled.

I get frustrated when so many people miss the brief, even after I've
already re-confirmed it.
--
Roland Perry

In message <54VON.46032$Rt2.24945@fx10.ams1>, at 15:00:17 on Tue, 2 Apr
2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
>> On 02/04/2024 08:34, Tweed wrote:
>>> Yes and no. On BBC One the main news programmes follow England. At 1830 BBC
>>> One Scotland has a national half hour programme where England has regional.
>>
>> Very occasionally if there is a major local story then they extend the
>> local news to a full hour - perhaps might happen if the SNP every find
>> the missing £600(?) million.
>
>£600k. The PS investigation has probably cost much more than the loss
>they're investigating.

Which goes some way to why the police can only spend ten minutes
investigating the theft of a £50 mountain bike. And why they've long had
an approximately £5k threshold (might be more now) on investigating any
form of fraud perpetrated against members of the public.

The police deciding not to be bothered to investigate an alleged £600m
incident would quite rightly become a big news story of its own.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <ii%ON.39444$lu2.23068@fx15.ams1>, at 22:05:02 on Tue, 2 Apr
> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>
>>> So not a parallel 24x7 version of channel 231 (and Freesat equivalent).
>>>
>>> Which was the brief. Please harder to follow the brief.
>>
>> You asked a question, which was answered.
>
> No it wasn't, I asked about a hypothetical separate Scottish-originated
> 24x7 news service.
>
>> Please try not to be so obnoxious when gaps in your knowledge are
>> filled.
>
> I get frustrated when so many people miss the brief, even after I've
> already re-confirmed it.

I’m not convinced that you originally asked about a 24x7 Scottish news
service, just a separate news service. The 24x7 qualification crept in
later.

In message <uun3ml$sbq0$1@dont-email.me>, at 20:48:21 on Thu, 4 Apr
2024, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
>> On 02/04/2024 11:07, Recliner wrote:
>>> Vehicles are probably the main urban fox killers.
>>
>> I don't remember ever seeing a live or dead fox around here, otters are
>> seen in the town so perhaps we have urban otters inside!
>
>Edinburgh has both.

Rural otters as well as urban ones?
--
Roland Perry

On 05/04/2024 13:42, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <uun3ml$sbq0$1@dont-email.me>, at 20:48:21 on Thu, 4 Apr
> 2024, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>> JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
>>> On 02/04/2024 11:07, Recliner wrote:
>>>> Vehicles are probably the main urban fox killers.
>>>
>>> I don't remember ever seeing a live or dead fox around here, otters are
>>> seen in the town so perhaps we have urban otters inside!
>>
>> Edinburgh has both.
>
> Rural otters as well as urban ones?

We have a rural otter here. I have video of it culling a gull.

On 05/04/2024 13:42, Roland Perry wrote:
>
> Rural otters as well as urban ones?

I saw one in the loch and was not sure so asked a friend and she said
has seen otters crossing the dual-carriageway in the centre of town..
Also a few years ago some young ones were found abandoned and taken to a
sanctuary.

On 04/04/2024 21:48, Sam Wilson wrote:
> JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
>> On 02/04/2024 11:07, Recliner wrote:
>>> Vehicles are probably the main urban fox killers.
>>
>>
>> I don't remember ever seeing a live or dead fox around here, otters are
>> seen in the town so perhaps we have urban otters inside!
>
> Edinburgh has both.
>
> Sam
>

One of the last foxes I have seen (a couple of years ago) - was in a
most unlikely location -- the outer (tunnel) end of Liverpool Lime
Street station.

In message <uuorul$1clmr$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:48:21 on Fri, 5 Apr
2024, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <ii%ON.39444$lu2.23068@fx15.ams1>, at 22:05:02 on Tue, 2 Apr
>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>
>>>> So not a parallel 24x7 version of channel 231 (and Freesat equivalent).
>>>>
>>>> Which was the brief. Please harder to follow the brief.
>>>
>>> You asked a question, which was answered.
>>
>> No it wasn't, I asked about a hypothetical separate Scottish-originated
>> 24x7 news service.
>>
>>> Please try not to be so obnoxious when gaps in your knowledge are
>>> filled.
>>
>> I get frustrated when so many people miss the brief, even after I've
>> already re-confirmed it.
>
>I’m not convinced that you originally asked about a 24x7 Scottish news
>service, just a separate news service. The 24x7 qualification crept in
>later.

What I asked was:

>>BBC Scotland have a big studio centre - Pacific Quays.
>>
>>They make some stuff for network there.

>But do they have a separate main BBC news?

The "Main BBC News" broadcasts all day long, no just one slot.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <uuorul$1clmr$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:48:21 on Fri, 5 Apr
> 2024, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <ii%ON.39444$lu2.23068@fx15.ams1>, at 22:05:02 on Tue, 2 Apr
>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>
>>>>> So not a parallel 24x7 version of channel 231 (and Freesat equivalent).
>>>>>
>>>>> Which was the brief. Please harder to follow the brief.
>>>>
>>>> You asked a question, which was answered.
>>>
>>> No it wasn't, I asked about a hypothetical separate Scottish-originated
>>> 24x7 news service.
>>>
>>>> Please try not to be so obnoxious when gaps in your knowledge are
>>>> filled.
>>>
>>> I get frustrated when so many people miss the brief, even after I've
>>> already re-confirmed it.
>>
>> I’m not convinced that you originally asked about a 24x7 Scottish news
>> service, just a separate news service. The 24x7 qualification crept in
>> later.
>
> What I asked was:
>
>>> BBC Scotland have a big studio centre - Pacific Quays.
>>>
>>> They make some stuff for network there.
>
>> But do they have a separate main BBC news?
>
> The "Main BBC News" broadcasts all day long, no just one slot.

Im afraid “main BBC News” to me means their 1830 and 2100 BBC One
broadcasts. They are the ones with the highest viewing figures. I think you
perhaps ought have asked if Scotland had its own BBC News *channel* if that
is what you meant.

On 06/04/2024 07:31, Tweed wrote:
> Im afraid “main BBC News” to me means their 1830 and 2100 BBC One
> broadcasts. They are the ones with the highest viewing figures. I think you
> perhaps ought have asked if Scotland had its own BBC News*channel* if that
> is what you meant.

Are there any viewing figures for BBC Scotland programmes freely
available i.e. not just BARB subscribers?

The 21:00h bulletin is hardly relevant, I think it is a short reading of
headlines in between programmes so most 'viewers' are just waiting for
the next programme. I have 'seen' it many times but never 'watched ' it.

But some tend to manipulate figures, hence the claim it has the highest
viewing figures.

On 06/04/2024 06:36, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <uuorul$1clmr$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:48:21 on Fri, 5 Apr
> 2024, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <ii%ON.39444$lu2.23068@fx15.ams1>, at 22:05:02 on Tue, 2 Apr
>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>
>>>>> So not a parallel 24x7 version of channel 231 (and Freesat
>>>>> equivalent).
>>>>>
>>>>> Which was the brief. Please harder to follow the brief.
>>>>
>>>> You asked a question, which was answered.
>>>
>>> No it wasn't, I asked about a hypothetical separate Scottish-originated
>>> 24x7 news service.
>>>
>>>> Please try not to be so obnoxious when gaps in your knowledge are
>>>> filled.
>>>
>>> I get frustrated when so many people miss the brief, even after I've
>>> already re-confirmed it.
>>
>> I’m not convinced that you originally asked about a 24x7 Scottish news
>> service, just a separate news service. The 24x7 qualification crept in
>> later.
>
> What I asked was:
>
> >>BBC Scotland have a big studio centre - Pacific Quays.
> >>
> >>They make some stuff for network there.
>
> >But do they have a separate main BBC news?
>
> The "Main BBC News" broadcasts all day long, no just one slot.

No, the main BBC news is the Ten.
--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 06/04/2024 07:31, Tweed wrote:
>> Im afraid “main BBC News” to me means their 1830 and 2100 BBC One
>> broadcasts. They are the ones with the highest viewing figures. I think you
>> perhaps ought have asked if Scotland had its own BBC News*channel* if that
>> is what you meant.
>
>
> Are there any viewing figures for BBC Scotland programmes freely
> available i.e. not just BARB subscribers?

https://www.thenational.scot/news/24049383.bbc-scotland-news-show-attracts-just-200-viewers/

>
> The 21:00h bulletin is hardly relevant, I think it is a short reading of
> headlines in between programmes so most 'viewers' are just waiting for
> the next programme. I have 'seen' it many times but never 'watched ' it.

No, it's an hour-long programme, four nights a week, described as, "All the
national, UK-wide and international news that matters to you, plus weather,
entertainment news and sport."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001y695

Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <uuorul$1clmr$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:48:21 on Fri, 5 Apr
>> 2024, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <ii%ON.39444$lu2.23068@fx15.ams1>, at 22:05:02 on Tue, 2 Apr
>>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>
>>>>>> So not a parallel 24x7 version of channel 231 (and Freesat equivalent).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which was the brief. Please harder to follow the brief.
>>>>>
>>>>> You asked a question, which was answered.
>>>>
>>>> No it wasn't, I asked about a hypothetical separate Scottish-originated
>>>> 24x7 news service.
>>>>
>>>>> Please try not to be so obnoxious when gaps in your knowledge are
>>>>> filled.
>>>>
>>>> I get frustrated when so many people miss the brief, even after I've
>>>> already re-confirmed it.
>>>
>>> I’m not convinced that you originally asked about a 24x7 Scottish news
>>> service, just a separate news service. The 24x7 qualification crept in
>>> later.
>>
>> What I asked was:
>>
>>>> BBC Scotland have a big studio centre - Pacific Quays.
>>>>
>>>> They make some stuff for network there.
>>
>>> But do they have a separate main BBC news?
>>
>> The "Main BBC News" broadcasts all day long, no just one slot.
>
> Im afraid “main BBC News” to me means their 1830 and 2100 BBC One
> broadcasts. They are the ones with the highest viewing figures. I think you
> perhaps ought have asked if Scotland had its own BBC News *channel* if that
> is what you meant.
>
>

I did of course mean the 2200 BBC One news broadcast, not 2100.

JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 01/04/2024 15:46, Sam Wilson wrote:
>> Only two? I have a friend who used to be in the theatre business in
>> Scotland and complained that both BBC and ITV had moved casting for
>> Scottish-made programmes to London.
>
>
> Perhaps more Scottish actors living there than in Edinburgh?

Very possibly, but then for Scottish productions they’d need to either
impoverish themselves or claim digs and travel expenses (if that’s possible
- I don’t know what arrangements there would be for actors playing at a
remote location). Or they’d lose out to English actors capable of putting
on a Scottish accent, or… or…

Sam

--
The entity formerly known as Sam.Wilson@ed.ac.uk
Spit the dummy to reply

In message <uuqq7a$1uaol$1@dont-email.me>, at 06:31:07 on Sat, 6 Apr
2024, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <uuorul$1clmr$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:48:21 on Fri, 5 Apr
>> 2024, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <ii%ON.39444$lu2.23068@fx15.ams1>, at 22:05:02 on Tue, 2 Apr
>>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>
>>>>>> So not a parallel 24x7 version of channel 231 (and Freesat equivalent).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which was the brief. Please harder to follow the brief.
>>>>>
>>>>> You asked a question, which was answered.
>>>>
>>>> No it wasn't, I asked about a hypothetical separate Scottish-originated
>>>> 24x7 news service.
>>>>
>>>>> Please try not to be so obnoxious when gaps in your knowledge are
>>>>> filled.
>>>>
>>>> I get frustrated when so many people miss the brief, even after I've
>>>> already re-confirmed it.
>>>
>>> I’m not convinced that you originally asked about a 24x7 Scottish news
>>> service, just a separate news service. The 24x7 qualification crept in
>>> later.
>>
>> What I asked was:
>>
>>>> BBC Scotland have a big studio centre - Pacific Quays.
>>>>
>>>> They make some stuff for network there.
>>
>>> But do they have a separate main BBC news?
>>
>> The "Main BBC News" broadcasts all day long, no just one slot.
>
>Im afraid “main BBC News” to me means their 1830 and 2100 BBC One
>broadcasts. They are the ones with the highest viewing figures. I think you
>perhaps ought have asked if Scotland had its own BBC News *channel* if that
>is what you meant.

With hindsight, yes, but that's what I meant, and felt it was clear from
the context.
--
Roland Perry