On this Sat, 4 Nov 2023 08:11:24 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:

> "The iPhone is obviously superior at one thing. Ask your wallet."

The author doesn't take into account many of the total cost of ownership
costs, meaning it's clickbait since iPhones invariably cost more to own.

Frank Slootweg, 2023-11-12 21:24:

> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
>> Frank Slootweg, 2023-11-12 16:20:
[...]
>>> My Galaxy A51 has headphone jack, SD card slot and FM radio. And even
>>> the newest replacement (A54G) still has a SD card slot (USB-C earjack,
>>> no details about FM radio).
>>
>> The A51 it is more than three years old. The A54 does not have a
>> headphone jack any longer and if you want to use the SD card you have to
>> give up a SIM slot for that - probably because it was cheaper just to
>> keep the slot as it is as long as Samsung can not ditch this completely
>> when using eSIM only in the future.
>
> Yes, the A51 is more than three years old, but this urban legend
> (mainly from Apple fanbois) about no headphone jack/SD card slot/FM radio
> has been going on even longer than that and there have been several
> models between the 'old' A51 and the current A54G.

I never said, that *no* device has this any more, just that the
headphone jack is disappearing since an increasing number of devices
does not have it any longer - like the Samsung A54 compared to the A51.

BTW: The name is just "A54" and not "A54G"...

<https://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/phones/galaxy-a54/buy/?modelCode=SM-A546ULVBXAA>

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
> Frank Slootweg, 2023-11-12 21:24:
>
> > Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
> >> Frank Slootweg, 2023-11-12 16:20:
> [...]
> >>> My Galaxy A51 has headphone jack, SD card slot and FM radio. And even
> >>> the newest replacement (A54G) still has a SD card slot (USB-C earjack,
> >>> no details about FM radio).
> >>
> >> The A51 it is more than three years old. The A54 does not have a
> >> headphone jack any longer and if you want to use the SD card you have to
> >> give up a SIM slot for that - probably because it was cheaper just to
> >> keep the slot as it is as long as Samsung can not ditch this completely
> >> when using eSIM only in the future.
> >
> > Yes, the A51 is more than three years old, but this urban legend
> > (mainly from Apple fanbois) about no headphone jack/SD card slot/FM radio
> > has been going on even longer than that and there have been several
> > models between the 'old' A51 and the current A54G.
>
> I never said, that *no* device has this any more, just that the
> headphone jack is disappearing since an increasing number of devices
> does not have it any longer - like the Samsung A54 compared to the A51.

Sorry about the confusion. Yes, I understood what you meant and agree
with it. I just wanted to put the 'oldness' of the A51 in perspective by
explaining that there were models between the A51 and A54 which still
had some more of The Three Features (TM) :-)

> BTW: The name is just "A54" and not "A54G"...
>
> <https://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/phones/galaxy-a54/buy/?modelCode=SM-A546ULVBXAA>

Thanks. You're of course correct. Apparently my aging eyes are
concatenating/stripping "A54 5G" to become "A54G"! :-)

Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote

>> I never said, that *no* device has this any more, just that the
>> headphone jack is disappearing since an increasing number of devices
>> does not have it any longer - like the Samsung A54 compared to the A51.
>
> Sorry about the confusion. Yes, I understood what you meant and agree
> with it. I just wanted to put the 'oldness' of the A51 in perspective by
> explaining that there were models between the A51 and A54 which still
> had some more of The Three Features (TM) :-)

FACTS + Logic = Sense

Facts first...

Last we checked _most Android devices_ still had "The Three Features".
a. sd slot
b. aux jack
c. fast charger in the box

*66% to 78% of Android phones still have modern hardware functionality*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/vLB-bIF-P5Q/>

My free Samsung Galaxy A32-5G came with all three, and it's a cheap phone
(which puts to rest the "claim" that Apple does it to lower phone costs).

Now comes the logic and sense...

There's only one reason for removing them, and like any game of chess, it's
to restrict what you can do as your next move to recover from their loss.

If you are the kind of person who buys a thousand-dollar phone, you can
easily recover from the loss of portable storage and wired headphones.

Hence, for Android, as far as I could tell last we looked, the OEMs only
removed those features for the phones that directly complete with iPhones.

On 2023-11-13 12:23, Wally J wrote:
> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote
>
>>> I never said, that *no* device has this any more, just that the
>>> headphone jack is disappearing since an increasing number of devices
>>> does not have it any longer - like the Samsung A54 compared to the A51.
>>
>> Sorry about the confusion. Yes, I understood what you meant and agree
>> with it. I just wanted to put the 'oldness' of the A51 in perspective by
>> explaining that there were models between the A51 and A54 which still
>> had some more of The Three Features (TM) :-)
>
> FACTS + Logic = Sense
>
> Facts first...
>
> Last we checked _most Android devices_ still had "The Three Features".
> a. sd slot
> b. aux jack
> c. fast charger in the box
>
> *66% to 78% of Android phones still have modern hardware functionality*
> <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/vLB-bIF-P5Q/>

Wow. So you don't understand statistics, either.

But the fact is that if you search for both a card slot and a 3.5mm
jack, then only 950 of 1721 phones of the last 3 years have both of
those. That's only 55% and that's before you add the third independent
factor of a charger in the box.

<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2021> = 1721

<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2021&chk35mm=selected&idCardslot=1>
= 950

>
> My free Samsung Galaxy A32-5G came with all three, and it's a cheap phone
> (which puts to rest the "claim" that Apple does it to lower phone costs).

A claim I haven't seen anyone make.

"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote

>> So over time these features may be phased out, but rather slowly and
>> the SD card slot is probably the last to go. (The SD card slot has
>> become less important because of larger and relatively cheaper Internal
>> Storage sizes, but not unimportant, especially not at the low end.)
>
> My Motorola is dual SIM, but actually instead of a second sim I can put
> a memory card. It is either sim or memory card, not both.
>
> My second motorola phone did not mention FM radio, but when I initially
> cloned it over from my previous phone, the FM radio app was installed
> and actually works.

Just one of many reasons why you can't compare iPhones to Android is the
iPhones of late completely lack standard basic hardware that Androids have.

To further help people like Carlos who want to be able to listen to a real
FM radio station when they're out of range of the Internet (like hiking),
I just now opened this thread that has a list of real FM radio tuner apps.
*What real over-the-air OTA FM & AM radio tuner app (not online Internet radio!) do you use?*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/0xDpRjKslFI>

Arno is wrong about most phones not having these features, as we showed
earlier this year that the vast majority of Android phones have them.
*66% to 78% of Android phones still have modern hardware functionality*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/vLB-bIF-P5Q/>

Another factual datapoint:
Each of the top real FM radio tuner apps _each_ have over fifty million
downloads (which is over two hundred million downloads for the top 4).

As for FM radio, I just checked for Carlos what apps exist on F-Droid.
*SpiritF* Use headphones as antenna for FM radio
<https://f-droid.org/packages/fm.a2d.sf/>

And this is just one of many ad-free radio hits that exist on Android:
*FM Radio* AM, FM, Radio Tuner by NonStop Radio]\
free,adfree,gsf?,NonStop Radio10K+Downloads
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.liveradio.fmradio.radiotuner.radiostation.amradio>

To test it, I downloaded each to put in my "network" & "hiking" folders
(which is yet another feature that is impossible to do on any iPhone).

And I ran a free/adfree/gsffree/in-appfree search on Android to find more
(that smart search is yet another feature impossible to do on any iPhone).

BTW, if you want Internet radio, this seems to be a respected app
*Open Radio* by Chernyshov Yurii (Internet radio streaming)
free,adfree,gsf?,4.4star,2.41Kreviews,100K+Downloads
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.yuriy.openradio>

Almost never will I suggest an app that has ads (just so you know).
--
Anyone saying there aren't thousands of functionalities you can do on
Android that are impossible on the iPhone is simply an ignorant person.

Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote

>> Yes, the A51 is more than three years old, but this urban legend
>> (mainly from Apple fanbois) about no headphone jack/SD card slot/FM radio
>> has been going on even longer than that and there have been several
>> models between the 'old' A51 and the current A54G.
>
> I never said, that *no* device has this any more, just that the
> headphone jack is disappearing since an increasing number of devices
> does not have it any longer - like the Samsung A54 compared to the A51.

Arno,

The headphone jack is very much alive and well & it is not disappearing.

FACTS
*56% of Androids have both an internal FM IC and the required aux jack*

The problem I have with you is you just guess at everything.
Which would be fine if your guess was even close to correct.

But by always just guessing, you're always just dead wrong.
You know nothing when all you do is guess about everything.

I don't guess.
I look things up instead of guessing.

I ran a search just now for my phone FM radio and the result said most
Android phones come not only with the aux slot but _also_ with the FM IC.
<https://versus.com/en/samsung-galaxy-a32-5g/radio>

Here are the results for my phone lookup (which is an inexpensive Android):
<https://i.postimg.cc/5NSxqRHj/fmradio02.jpg> 56% Androids have the FM IC

--
The problem with most people who say ignorant things is that they always
just guess which is precisely why they will always remain ignorant people.

On 2023-11-13 16:37, Wally J wrote:
> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote
>
>>> Yes, the A51 is more than three years old, but this urban legend
>>> (mainly from Apple fanbois) about no headphone jack/SD card slot/FM radio
>>> has been going on even longer than that and there have been several
>>> models between the 'old' A51 and the current A54G.
>>
>> I never said, that *no* device has this any more, just that the
>> headphone jack is disappearing since an increasing number of devices
>> does not have it any longer - like the Samsung A54 compared to the A51.
>
> Arno,
>
> The headphone jack is very much alive and well & it is not disappearing.
>
> FACTS
> *56% of Androids have both an internal FM IC and the required aux jack*

That suggests very strongly that the headphone jack IS disappearing.

>
> The problem I have with you is you just guess at everything.
> Which would be fine if your guess was even close to correct.
>
> But by always just guessing, you're always just dead wrong.
> You know nothing when all you do is guess about everything.
>
> I don't guess.
> I look things up instead of guessing.

You just don't understand the import of what you find.

>
> I ran a search just now for my phone FM radio and the result said most
> Android phones come not only with the aux slot but _also_ with the FM IC.
> <https://versus.com/en/samsung-galaxy-a32-5g/radio>
>
> Here are the results for my phone lookup (which is an inexpensive Android):
> <https://i.postimg.cc/5NSxqRHj/fmradio02.jpg> 56% Androids have the FM IC
>

And you posted the exact same thing twice... ...why exactly?

Was it just more incompetence?

Alan, 2023-11-13 22:06:

> On 2023-11-13 12:23, Wally J wrote:
[...]
>> My free Samsung Galaxy A32-5G came with all three, and it's a cheap phone
>> (which puts to rest the "claim" that Apple does it to lower phone costs).
>
> A claim I haven't seen anyone make.

And the A32 is also 3 years old. Current Samsung models don't have a
headphone jack any longer.

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote

> Alan, 2023-11-13 22:06:
>
>> On 2023-11-13 12:23, Wally J wrote:
> [...]
>>> My free Samsung Galaxy A32-5G came with all three, and it's a cheap phone
>>> (which puts to rest the "claim" that Apple does it to lower phone costs).
>>
>> A claim I haven't seen anyone make.
>
> And the A32 is also 3 years old. Current Samsung models don't have a
> headphone jack any longer.

Arno,

You hate me because I check all your statements against the facts, Arno.
So be it.

Why do you always guess at everything that you firmly believe, Arno?
And why are those guesses always dead wrong?

(That's classic far to the left of DK quartiles, if you know that science.)
a. You think you know the answer
b. You are sure that you know the answer
c. But you don't know even the most basic thing about the answer, Arno.

That's a very bad trait... always being wrong, Arno.
Very bad.

I like you and I don't think you were born stupid, but as an actual adult,
I have to try to gently teach you that you can't always guess at everything
(especially since almost every guess you've made so far, is dead wrong).

Everything you think is wrong because you got your "facts" from a friend of
a friend of a friend who himself heard it in a marketing blurb somewhere.

Nothing you've said yet has stood up to even a _single_ search, Arno.
I don't know where you were educated, but you don't have a higher degree.

You can't get anything more than a high school degree always being wrong.

FACT:
*There are 58 recent (2021 to current) Samsung models with the 3.5mm jack*
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2021&chk35mm=selected&sMakers=9&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>

FACT:
*There are 26 recent (2022 to current) Samsung models with the 3.5mm jack*
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2022&chk35mm=selected&sMakers=9&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>

In summary, it's a bit disturbing that you are constantly always wrong
about everything that you are sure is right - simply because you guess.

You can't possibly be well educated because you can't pass college classes
by always being wrong on almost everything that you believe to be true.

If I'm going to read your posts, please stop guessing.
As you are always easily proven to be dead wrong.

Thanks!
--
You can easily fix ignorance but you can't fix stupid.

On 2023-11-16 05:39, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Alan, 2023-11-13 22:06:
>
>> On 2023-11-13 12:23, Wally J wrote:
> [...]
>>> My free Samsung Galaxy A32-5G came with all three, and it's a cheap phone
>>> (which puts to rest the "claim" that Apple does it to lower phone costs).
>>
>> A claim I haven't seen anyone make.
>
> And the A32 is also 3 years old. Current Samsung models don't have a
> headphone jack any longer.

https://www.wired.com/gallery/best-headphone-jack-phones/

*The Best Phones With an Actual Headphone Jack*

Samsung Galaxy A14 5G

I only needed to search for 30 seconds.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 2023-11-16 05:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-11-16 05:39, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Alan, 2023-11-13 22:06:
>>
>>> On 2023-11-13 12:23, Wally J wrote:
>> [...]
>>>> My free Samsung Galaxy A32-5G came with all three, and it's a cheap
>>>> phone
>>>> (which puts to rest the "claim" that Apple does it to lower phone
>>>> costs).
>>>
>>> A claim I haven't seen anyone make.
>>
>> And the A32 is also 3 years old. Current Samsung models don't have a
>> headphone jack any longer.
>
> https://www.wired.com/gallery/best-headphone-jack-phones/
>
> *The Best Phones With an Actual Headphone Jack*
>
> Samsung Galaxy A14 5G
>
>
> I only needed to search for 30 seconds.

And found a low end Samsung. Most flagship/high end Samsung's have lost
the headphone jack.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On 2023-11-16 14:21, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-11-16 05:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2023-11-16 05:39, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> Alan, 2023-11-13 22:06:
>>>
>>>> On 2023-11-13 12:23, Wally J wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>>> My free Samsung Galaxy A32-5G came with all three, and it's a cheap
>>>>> phone
>>>>> (which puts to rest the "claim" that Apple does it to lower phone
>>>>> costs).
>>>>
>>>> A claim I haven't seen anyone make.
>>>
>>> And the A32 is also 3 years old. Current Samsung models don't have a
>>> headphone jack any longer.
>>
>> https://www.wired.com/gallery/best-headphone-jack-phones/
>>
>> *The Best Phones With an Actual Headphone Jack*
>>
>> Samsung Galaxy A14 5G
>>
>>
>> I only needed to search for 30 seconds.
>
> And found a low end Samsung.  Most flagship/high end Samsung's have lost
> the headphone jack.

But that is not what Arno claimed.

The same link I posted cites as second choice the Asus Zenfone 10, with
a price of $700...$750, which is not low end, or the Asus ROG Phone 7 at
$1000..$1400, or the Sony Xperia 1 V at $1400.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote

>> On 2023-11-16 05:39, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> And the A32 is also 3 years old. Current Samsung models don't have a
>> headphone jack any longer.
>
> https://www.wired.com/gallery/best-headphone-jack-phones/
> *The Best Phones With an Actual Headphone Jack*
> Samsung Galaxy A14 5G
> I only needed to search for 30 seconds.

I try to study and _understand_ each and every poster to these newsgroups.

More so, I agree with anyone who presents the facts as only a fool (like
Arno) would bother to dispute facts (especially such easily refuted facts).

I'm no fool.
Hence...
*I agree fully and completely with Carlos' stated facts*

And yet... Arno is a fool... because he denies facts nobody else would deny
(well, the iKooks deny all facts too - but they were also all born stupid).

I'll betcha' the iKooks (Alan Browne, nospam, Alan Baker, Jolly Roger) will
all vehemently claim that you're wrong, Chris - just because they hate
facts. They'll come up with _excuses_ for why the facts are the facts.

They will _never_ accept the facts.
Which is why they're fools.

Only fools dispute facts (that's _why_ they're fools, after all).

They all hold strongly held biases which are based on nothing but guesses.
Which is how I know they not only have very low IQs, but no education.

Education opens your mind to facts.
The mind of Arno and of the iKooks is completely closed to facts.

Their minds are only tuned to marketing claims in glossy brochures.

The strongly held opinion based on zero facts that Arno Welzel repeatedly
exhibits is the same fundamental cognitive bias the iKooks display.

All of us, at one time or another, are ignorant of the facts, but most of
us wouldn't hold such strongly held opinions when we're that ignorant.

Yet... for some strange reason... the iKooks and Arno Welzel do.

Note for those who have read the DK research papers, this is _exactly_ the
strange phenomenon that they studied when they arranged their quartiles.

Basically it's two traits put together.

1. These people hold _extremely strongly biased opinions_
2. Which are based on no actual facts.

To be clear, all of us make an honest mistake now and then, e.g., one time
Chris caught me calculating off by one decimal place in childhood Covid
mortality rates, but what's different is I'm a normal person. They are not.

They are like the lemon-juice bank robber in that they're _always_ wrong.
On everything.

They _think_ they know the answer.
They're extremely _confident_ they know the answer.
And yet - they don't even care to look up the facts for 30 seconds.

That's why Arno and the iKooks, so far, have (almost) _always_ been wrong.

I suspect they all have an extremely low IQ and absolutely no education.
Why?

Because you can't pass a test with everything you say being always wrong.
--
These iKooks & Arno were all born stupid - and they'll all stay that way.

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote

>> I only needed to search for 30 seconds.
>
> And found a low end Samsung. Most flagship/high end Samsung's have lost
> the headphone jack.

That's not what Arno said, Alan Browne - so you're trying to build a
strawman just so that you can shoot down your own fake news strawman.

In that way, you're almost exactly like Trump is, Alan Brown.

On 2023-11-16 09:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-11-16 14:21, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2023-11-16 05:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-16 05:39, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>> Alan, 2023-11-13 22:06:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2023-11-13 12:23, Wally J wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>>>> My free Samsung Galaxy A32-5G came with all three, and it's a
>>>>>> cheap phone
>>>>>> (which puts to rest the "claim" that Apple does it to lower phone
>>>>>> costs).
>>>>>
>>>>> A claim I haven't seen anyone make.
>>>>
>>>> And the A32 is also 3 years old. Current Samsung models don't have a
>>>> headphone jack any longer.
>>>
>>> https://www.wired.com/gallery/best-headphone-jack-phones/
>>>
>>> *The Best Phones With an Actual Headphone Jack*
>>>
>>> Samsung Galaxy A14 5G
>>>
>>>
>>> I only needed to search for 30 seconds.
>>
>> And found a low end Samsung.  Most flagship/high end Samsung's have
>> lost the headphone jack.
>
> But that is not what Arno claimed.
>
>
> The same link I posted cites as second choice the Asus Zenfone 10, with
> a price of $700...$750, which is not low end, or the Asus ROG Phone 7 at
> $1000..$1400, or the Sony Xperia 1 V at $1400.

I could care less. The main point is Android is not universally
available with the jack. Samsung recognizes it's a non-issue in
up-market phones.

And of course there are plenty of headphone options whether wired or
wireless for phones w/o jacks.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote

> The same link I posted cites as second choice the Asus Zenfone 10, with
> a price of $700...$750, which is not low end, or the Asus ROG Phone 7 at
> $1000..$1400, or the Sony Xperia 1 V at $1400.

I agree with anyone who proposes facts, as only a fool disagrees with facts
(bear in mind, denying facts is _why_ they are fools in the first place).

Most Android models, some of which are expensive Android models, have it.
Yet both Arno & the iKooks just now brazenly denied those obvious facts.

In doing so, Arno & the iKooks exhibited the same cognitive bias as the
rather strange but interesting-to-study D-K lemon-juice bank robber.

What's scary is that Arno and the iKooks all own extremely strongly held
beliefs which are based on nothing but their own personal wishful bias.

*They _hate_ the fact _the 3.5mm jack is on most new Android models_*

So they brazenly deny each and every fact that they simply don't like.

This rather strange behavior is how I know they have a low IQ & no
education as nobody could pass even undergrad tests always being wrong.
--
Most is defined here as more than half and the time period is the models
currently offered for sale (e.g., using search terms of 2019 to today).

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote

>>> And found a low end Samsung.� Most flagship/high end Samsung's have
>>> lost the headphone jack.
>>
>> But that is not what Arno claimed.
>>
>> The same link I posted cites as second choice the Asus Zenfone 10, with
>> a price of $700...$750, which is not low end, or the Asus ROG Phone 7 at
>> $1000..$1400, or the Sony Xperia 1 V at $1400.
>
> I could care less.

This is how I know Alan Browne has not only a low IQ, but no education.
Notice that Alan can't even form a grammatically correct sentence again.

1. First Alan Browne brazenly denies obvious facts only a fool would deny.
2. Then Alan Browne creates his own excuse of his own fake news strawman.
3. And, when caught (like Trump) by Carlos on creating his own fake news...

Alan Brown then tells us...
"*I could care less*."

How stupid does someone need to be to be _that_ stupid that they can't even
form a single sentence that expressed what he clearly "thought" it did?
--
Note that Alan Brown won't understand a word I said above as he still
thinks "I could care less" means what he "thinks" it means (but doesn't).

On 11/12/2023 12:33 PM, Arno Welzel wrote:

>> Which means by definition, if it's missing these important hardware
>> capabilities, it's a less functional device than one that has them.
>
> By definition yes. But by definition a modern car does not have a steam
> engine and can not run on coal and water. So it is a less functional
> vehicle as well ;-)

Your analogy makes no sense because you have to compare a car with
something that most cars have with a car that is missing that something.

In simpler terms, it's worse in every way not to have it than to have it.

There is no upside to the loss of these parts.
Only downside.

It's much more like you saying a car that doesn't have any engine at all
(since the items are gone) is more powerful than a car that has an engine.

It's worse in every way.

Sure, you can say over & over that you have recovered from not having an
engine by you buying the engine separately and keeping it in the trunk,
but it's always better to have had it in the engine bay from the start.

Larry Wolff wrote:

>It's much more like you saying a car that doesn't have any engine at
>all (since the items are gone) is more powerful than a car that has
>an engine.

In some respects this is a true though. Electric cars with no engine
are more powerful off the line than similar cars with an engine.

On 2023-11-16 18:03, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-11-16 09:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2023-11-16 14:21, Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-16 05:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-16 05:39, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>>> Alan, 2023-11-13 22:06:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2023-11-13 12:23, Wally J wrote:
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>> My free Samsung Galaxy A32-5G came with all three, and it's a
>>>>>>> cheap phone
>>>>>>> (which puts to rest the "claim" that Apple does it to lower phone
>>>>>>> costs).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A claim I haven't seen anyone make.
>>>>>
>>>>> And the A32 is also 3 years old. Current Samsung models don't have a
>>>>> headphone jack any longer.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.wired.com/gallery/best-headphone-jack-phones/
>>>>
>>>> *The Best Phones With an Actual Headphone Jack*
>>>>
>>>> Samsung Galaxy A14 5G
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I only needed to search for 30 seconds.
>>>
>>> And found a low end Samsung.  Most flagship/high end Samsung's have
>>> lost the headphone jack.
>>
>> But that is not what Arno claimed.
>>
>>
>> The same link I posted cites as second choice the Asus Zenfone 10,
>> with a price of $700...$750, which is not low end, or the Asus ROG
>> Phone 7 at $1000..$1400, or the Sony Xperia 1 V at $1400.
>
> I could care less.

That is not polite.

> The main point is Android is not universally
> available with the jack.  Samsung recognizes it's a non-issue in
> up-market phones.
>
> And of course there are plenty of headphone options whether wired or
> wireless for phones w/o jacks.
>

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 11/16/2023 6:50 PM, badgolferman wrote:

>>It's much more like you saying a car that doesn't have any engine at
>>all (since the items are gone) is more powerful than a car that has
>>an engine.
>
> In some respects this is a true though. Electric cars with no engine
> are more powerful off the line than similar cars with an engine.

That's the wrong analogy because you are ignoring that most cars come with
an engine, whether or not that engine is diesel, gasoline or electric.

Your analogy has to have an "it" that is in most cars but missing in yours.
Your analogy has to show that missing "it" adds nothing of value by itself.
And your analogy has to show that without "it", you need "something else."

So it's not a case of which "type" of engine.
Because the engine is missing.
Yet you need an engine to move the car.

When they removed the engine, they didn't replace it with something else.
They took it away and replaced it with nothing.

Now you have to find a way to get that missing engine back.
So what you do is buy (and show off) a brand new tow truck.

The showing off part is important as that's how the car is advertised.
Only those rich enough to afford a car and a tow truck can drive this car.

With advertising, it soon becomes very stylish to add the tow truck.
It's a very visible sign that you have money to waste - which is style.

It says to everyone you can afford a car that comes with no engine inside.
Because you have enough money to replace the missing engine with a truck!

Wow. That's rich!
But it's not more functional.

With the added new tow truck, the car now does what other cars already do.
But you could have added the tow truck to the other cars too.

So you gain nothing in the end that you couldn't have already done before.

It's never better to not have the engine and to then have to add a truck.
It's always worse.

It only looks better because it is advertised as showing off that you can
afford to buy a car without an engine because you can also buy a tow truck.

"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote

>>> The same link I posted cites as second choice the Asus Zenfone 10,
>>> with a price of $700...$750, which is not low end, or the Asus ROG
>>> Phone 7 at $1000..$1400, or the Sony Xperia 1 V at $1400.
>>
>> I could care less.
>
> That is not polite.

It's worse than "not polite", Carlos.
a. It's wanton purposeful ignorance
b. Combined with a purposeful repeated brazen denial of obvious facts
c. Such that their entire belief system is impervious to all facts

Adult question:
*Q: Is it possible to have an intelligent discussion with these people?*

Their entire belief system is not only imaginary, but impervious to facts.

On 2023-11-16 09:12, Wally J wrote:
> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
>
>> The same link I posted cites as second choice the Asus Zenfone 10, with
>> a price of $700...$750, which is not low end, or the Asus ROG Phone 7 at
>> $1000..$1400, or the Sony Xperia 1 V at $1400.
>
> I agree with anyone who proposes facts, as only a fool disagrees with facts
> (bear in mind, denying facts is _why_ they are fools in the first place).
>
> Most Android models, some of which are expensive Android models, have it.

You think you're bright enough to lie in this fashion and no one will
notice.

You're wrong.

On 2023-11-16 11:07, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-11-16 18:03, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2023-11-16 09:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-16 14:21, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-16 05:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-11-16 05:39, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>>>> Alan, 2023-11-13 22:06:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2023-11-13 12:23, Wally J wrote:
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>> My free Samsung Galaxy A32-5G came with all three, and it's a
>>>>>>>> cheap phone
>>>>>>>> (which puts to rest the "claim" that Apple does it to lower
>>>>>>>> phone costs).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A claim I haven't seen anyone make.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And the A32 is also 3 years old. Current Samsung models don't have a
>>>>>> headphone jack any longer.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.wired.com/gallery/best-headphone-jack-phones/
>>>>>
>>>>> *The Best Phones With an Actual Headphone Jack*
>>>>>
>>>>> Samsung Galaxy A14 5G
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I only needed to search for 30 seconds.
>>>>
>>>> And found a low end Samsung.  Most flagship/high end Samsung's have
>>>> lost the headphone jack.
>>>
>>> But that is not what Arno claimed.
>>>
>>>
>>> The same link I posted cites as second choice the Asus Zenfone 10,
>>> with a price of $700...$750, which is not low end, or the Asus ROG
>>> Phone 7 at $1000..$1400, or the Sony Xperia 1 V at $1400.
>>
>> I could care less.
>
> That is not polite.

How is that not polite, Carlos?