On 2023-11-16 14:07, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-11-16 18:03, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2023-11-16 09:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-16 14:21, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-16 05:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-11-16 05:39, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>>>> Alan, 2023-11-13 22:06:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2023-11-13 12:23, Wally J wrote:
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>> My free Samsung Galaxy A32-5G came with all three, and it's a
>>>>>>>> cheap phone
>>>>>>>> (which puts to rest the "claim" that Apple does it to lower
>>>>>>>> phone costs).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A claim I haven't seen anyone make.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And the A32 is also 3 years old. Current Samsung models don't have a
>>>>>> headphone jack any longer.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.wired.com/gallery/best-headphone-jack-phones/
>>>>>
>>>>> *The Best Phones With an Actual Headphone Jack*
>>>>>
>>>>> Samsung Galaxy A14 5G
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I only needed to search for 30 seconds.
>>>>
>>>> And found a low end Samsung.  Most flagship/high end Samsung's have
>>>> lost the headphone jack.
>>>
>>> But that is not what Arno claimed.
>>>
>>>
>>> The same link I posted cites as second choice the Asus Zenfone 10,
>>> with a price of $700...$750, which is not low end, or the Asus ROG
>>> Phone 7 at $1000..$1400, or the Sony Xperia 1 V at $1400.
>>
>> I could care less.
>
> That is not polite.

What is impolite about it?

Android fans bend over to point out that some Android phones still have
obsolete headphone jacks. Most people don't care.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

Alan Browne wrote on Thu, 16 Nov 2023 21:04:24 -0500 :
>>>> The same link I posted cites as second choice the Asus Zenfone 10,
>>>> with a price of $700...$750, which is not low end, or the Asus ROG
>>>> Phone 7 at $1000..$1400, or the Sony Xperia 1 V at $1400.
>>>
>>> I could care less.
>>
>> That is not polite.
>
> What is impolite about it?
> Android fans bend over to point out that some Android phones still have
> obsolete headphone jacks. Most people don't care.

What's impolite is you lied to him.

On 2023-11-16 23:38, Andrew wrote:
> Alan Browne wrote on Thu, 16 Nov 2023 21:04:24 -0500 :
>>>>> The same link I posted cites as second choice the Asus Zenfone 10,
>>>>> with a price of $700...$750, which is not low end, or the Asus ROG
>>>>> Phone 7 at $1000..$1400, or the Sony Xperia 1 V at $1400.
>>>>
>>>> I could care less.
>>>
>>> That is not polite.
>>
>> What is impolite about it?
>> Android fans bend over to point out that some Android phones still have
>> obsolete headphone jacks. Most people don't care.
>
> What's impolite is you lied to him.

I did not. Do you think anyone wastes time reading complete pages of
linked material on something as banally stupid as 1890's technology on
2023 mobile phones?

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

Carlos E. R., 2023-11-16 11:59:

> On 2023-11-16 05:39, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Alan, 2023-11-13 22:06:
>>
>>> On 2023-11-13 12:23, Wally J wrote:
>> [...]
>>>> My free Samsung Galaxy A32-5G came with all three, and it's a cheap phone
>>>> (which puts to rest the "claim" that Apple does it to lower phone costs).
>>>
>>> A claim I haven't seen anyone make.
>>
>> And the A32 is also 3 years old. Current Samsung models don't have a
>> headphone jack any longer.
>
> https://www.wired.com/gallery/best-headphone-jack-phones/
>
> *The Best Phones With an Actual Headphone Jack*
>
> Samsung Galaxy A14 5G
>
>
> I only needed to search for 30 seconds.

You win - 100 points! Congratulations!!!!

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
>> I only needed to search for 30 seconds.
>
> You win - 100 points! Congratulations!!!!

Instead of blurting childish insults why not just apologize for being wrong
and for not thinking before you posted what you posted about aux ports?

Alan Browne wrote on Fri, 17 Nov 2023 08:09:03 -0500 :
>>> What is impolite about it?
>>> Android fans bend over to point out that some Android phones still have
>>> obsolete headphone jacks. Most people don't care.
>>
>> What's impolite is you lied to him.
>
> I did not. Do you think anyone wastes time reading complete pages of
> linked material on something as banally stupid as 1890's technology on
> 2023 mobile phones?

What's impolite is not only that you lied to him, nor that you kept making
up more lies to hide that you lied, but more that you eventually caved in
to the truth and said you never cared about being correct from the start.

On 2023-11-17 12:35, Andrew wrote:
> Alan Browne wrote on Fri, 17 Nov 2023 08:09:03 -0500 :
>>>> What is impolite about it?
>>>> Android fans bend over to point out that some Android phones still have
>>>> obsolete headphone jacks. Most people don't care.
>>>
>>> What's impolite is you lied to him.
>>
>> I did not. Do you think anyone wastes time reading complete pages of
>> linked material on something as banally stupid as 1890's technology on
>> 2023 mobile phones?
>
> What's impolite is not only that you lied to him, nor that you kept making
> up more lies to hide that you lied, but more that you eventually caved in
> to the truth and said you never cared about being correct from the start.

Weak projection attempt. Twist more - at least it keeps you off the
streets.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On 2023-11-16 04:39:31 +0000, Arno Welzel said:
> Alan, 2023-11-13 22:06:
>
>> On 2023-11-13 12:23, Wally J wrote:
> [...]
>>>
>>> My free Samsung Galaxy A32-5G came with all three, and it's a cheap phone
>>> (which puts to rest the "claim" that Apple does it to lower phone costs).
>>
>> A claim I haven't seen anyone make.
>
> And the A32 is also 3 years old. Current Samsung models don't have a
> headphone jack any longer.

Anything Apple does, Samsung eventually copies, even after making fun
of Apple for doing it in the first place. :-)

On 2023-11-12 21:55:12 +0000, Carlos E. R. said:

> On 2023-11-12 16:20, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>>> Indeed. Samsung Android devices don't have a headphone jack and also no
>>> SD card slot. And the same applies to Google Pixel and many other vendors.
>>
>> Make that *some* Samsung Android devices, probably mainly/only the
>> high-end models.
>>
>> My Galaxy A51 has headphone jack, SD card slot and FM radio. And even
>> the newest replacement (A54G) still has a SD card slot (USB-C earjack,
>> no details about FM radio).
>>
>> So over time these features may be phased out, but rather slowly and
>> the SD card slot is probably the last to go. (The SD card slot has
>> become less important because of larger and relatively cheaper Internal
>> Storage sizes, but not unimportant, especially not at the low end.)
>
> My Motorola is dual SIM, but actually instead of a second sim I can put
> a memory card. It is either sim or memory card, not both.
>
> My second motorola phone did not mention FM radio, but when I initially
> cloned it over from my previous phone, the FM radio app was installed
> and actually works.

The FM radio app on my mother's previous Samsung phone only works if
you plug in wired ear / headphones because it uses the wire as the
antenna. Her current Samsung phone doesn't have a headphone jack, but I
don't know if it still has the FM radio app (she hasn't and wouldn't
ever use it anyway) - I would guess not.

On 11/17/2023 3:21 PM, Your Name wrote:
>> And the A32 is also 3 years old. Current Samsung models don't have a
>> headphone jack any longer.
>
> Anything Apple does, Samsung eventually copies, even after making fun
> of Apple for doing it in the first place. :-)

You are correct that Samsung copied Apple's marketing strategy of removing
the jack so that they could better control how you recovered from the loss.

You didn't say whether you were aware that many Samsung models still have
the jack as it's only some (those that chase Apple strategies) that don't.

It's important to note that people don't flip easily from one ecosystem to
the other, so if you want a new Samsung with the jack, plenty will exist.

If you want a new iPhone with the jack, you're screwed.

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote

>> My second motorola phone did not mention FM radio, but when I initially
>> cloned it over from my previous phone, the FM radio app was installed
>> and actually works.
>
> The FM radio app on my mother's previous Samsung phone only works if
> you plug in wired ear / headphones because it uses the wire as the
> antenna. Her current Samsung phone doesn't have a headphone jack, but I
> don't know if it still has the FM radio app (she hasn't and wouldn't
> ever use it anyway) - I would guess not.

Only new Apple phones, as a brand, prevent emergency radio safety.

Despite Apple's ads about caring for consumer safety, the real reason Apple
doesn't allow its users basic safety is said to be their streaming revenue
(at least according to this article which came out when Apple removed this
important basic emergency safety feature from all new iPhones since then).

*FM radio chips make sense from a public safety aspect alone*
<https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/fm-radio-in-smartphones/>

So if you own an iPhone, Apple's claim they care about your safety with
their satellite SOS is proven to be a lie by their lack of emergency radio.
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/LXHBEnnISyA>

Luckily, if you want the safety of an emergency radio, Android has it.

You can check if a phone has the emergency radio at the versus site, e.g.,
<https://versus.com/en/google-pixel/radio>
Which says 56% of Android phones have the FM radio as of today's report.

Here are the results for my free Samsung Galaxy A32-54G, for example:
<https://i.postimg.cc/5NSxqRHj/fmradio02.jpg> 56% Androids have the FM IC

BTW, recently I ran a search to show Alan Baker and Arno Welzel that their
absurd claims were completely wrong in terms of which phones have radios.
<https://versus.com/en/samsung-galaxy-a32-5g/radio>

The result said most Android phones today come not only with the aux slot
but also an FM IC (both of which are required to use the emergency radio).

For Samsung alone (which the iKooks & Arno claimed had no aux jacks)...

*There are 58 recent (2021 to current) Samsung models with the 3.5mm jack*
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2021&chk35mm=selected&sMakers=9&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>

*There are 26 recent (2022 to current) Samsung models with the 3.5mm jack*
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2022&chk35mm=selected&sMakers=9&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>

In summary, as a brand, only Apple denies the consumer the choice of buying
a new phone that has this basic industry standard consumer safety feature.
--
What Apple says it does is quite different from what Apple actually does.

On 2023-11-17 22:22, Wally J wrote:

....

> The result said most Android phones today come not only with the aux slot
> but also an FM IC (both of which are required to use the emergency radio).

I have the suspicion that the radio could be re-designed to use the
screen wire on the USB cable instead of the screen wire on the audio jack.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote

>> The result said most Android phones today come not only with the aux slot
>> but also an FM IC (both of which are required to use the emergency radio).
>
> I have the suspicion that the radio could be re-designed to use the
> screen wire on the USB cable instead of the screen wire on the audio jack.

Hi Carlos,

I will agree with anyone who makes a sensible logical assessment, where I'd
agree with you if they 'wanted' to add an FM antenna, they probably could.

You make sense where the article I quoted suggested the real reason Apple
doesn't have this consumer safety feature is the risk to streaming revenue.

The article also suggested that the carriers want to protect data revenue,
but nowadays, for most carriers in the USA, that doesn't seem to be a cost.

As to your astute point, certainly they could re-design the phone to add
the capability for "one more antenna" (even as an FM antenna is long).
<https://gegcalculators.com/fm-transmitter-antenna-length-calculator/>

BTW, as a basic emergency safety feature, most Androids have the aux jack,
where the iKooks and Arno Welzel are unaware "most" here means 75% of them!

1,907 Androids offered for sale since 2019 have the required AUX jack.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Which is 75% of the total of 2,548 Android models offered for sale.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>

It's amazing how wrong Arno & the iKooks are when it's 3/4 of all models!

As for FM Radio, 1,257 Androids (50%) have the FM radio emergency feature.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>

Where 1,163 (46%) have both the emergency FM radio & the standard jack.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>

Let's look at the 1,801 (71%) with the all-important portable memory slot.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1>

And the 112 with a removable battery, which is less than 5% unfortunately.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idBatRemovable=1>

Ion summary, I agree with you that they "could" have probably designed the
phone to use something else than the industry standard aux port, but the
good news is that half of all Androids already have FM _and_ the aux port.

Even better, 3/4ths of all Android phones today have the aux port itself.

Which is why it's a strange thing when you hear only the iKooks (and Arno)
claiming that the aux jack at 3/4 and the sdslot at almost the same
percentage is gone. It's not. They're all just ignorant of the facts.
--
My role is to flesh out news, solutions and technical issues on this ng.

On 2023-11-17 15:43, Bradley wrote:
> On 11/17/2023 3:21 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>> And the A32 is also 3 years old. Current Samsung models don't have a
>>> headphone jack any longer.
>>
>> Anything Apple does, Samsung eventually copies, even after making fun
>> of Apple for doing it in the first place.  :-)
>
> You are correct that Samsung copied Apple's marketing strategy of removing
> the jack so that they could better control how you recovered from the loss.
>
> You didn't say whether you were aware that many Samsung models still have
> the jack as it's only some (those that chase Apple strategies) that don't.
>
> It's important to note that people don't flip easily from one ecosystem to
> the other, so if you want a new Samsung with the jack, plenty will exist.
>
> If you want a new iPhone with the jack, you're screwed.

Over 1M iPhones ship every 2 days on average. Lot of people don't care
about the 1890's technology headphone jack.

If it's that important to anyone there are nice little adaptors for
Ligthning or USB-C to 3.5 TRRS.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On 2023-11-18 00:27, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-11-17 15:43, Bradley wrote:
>> On 11/17/2023 3:21 PM, Your Name wrote:

....

> If it's that important to anyone there are nice little adaptors for
> Ligthning or USB-C to 3.5 TRRS.

That doesn't cover all the features, and is possibly more expensive.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 2023-11-17 18:35, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-11-18 00:27, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2023-11-17 15:43, Bradley wrote:
>>> On 11/17/2023 3:21 PM, Your Name wrote:
>
> ...
>
>> If it's that important to anyone there are nice little adaptors for
>> Ligthning or USB-C to 3.5 TRRS.
>
> That doesn't cover all the features, and is possibly more expensive.

Amazon: CAD$8 .. $16.

It's also a niche case that the vast majority of iPhone users don't care
about. (Nor do many Android phone users).

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On 2023-11-18 00:43, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-11-17 18:35, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2023-11-18 00:27, Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-17 15:43, Bradley wrote:
>>>> On 11/17/2023 3:21 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>> If it's that important to anyone there are nice little adaptors for
>>> Ligthning or USB-C to 3.5 TRRS.
>>
>> That doesn't cover all the features, and is possibly more expensive.
>
> Amazon: CAD$8 .. $16.
>
> It's also a niche case that the vast majority of iPhone users don't care
> about.  (Nor do many Android phone users).

Cites?

You will surely have surveys to support that, right?

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 2023-11-17 23:57:50 +0000, Carlos E. R. said:

> On 2023-11-18 00:43, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2023-11-17 18:35, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-18 00:27, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-17 15:43, Bradley wrote:
>>>>> On 11/17/2023 3:21 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> If it's that important to anyone there are nice little adaptors for
>>>> Ligthning or USB-C to 3.5 TRRS.
>>>
>>> That doesn't cover all the features, and is possibly more expensive.
>>
>> Amazon: CAD$8 .. $16.
>>
>> It's also a niche case that the vast majority of iPhone users don't
>> care about.  (Nor do many Android phone users).
>
> Cites?
>
> You will surely have surveys to support that, right?

Statistics and surveys / polls are almost never accurate, and usually
biased, but since you wanted them ...

- Android Authority says, as at June 2023, about 59% of Android users
actually use their headphone jack "at least once a month" or more.

<https://www.androidauthority.com/how-often-use-phone-headphone-jack-poll-results-3340212/>

- for the same date, ASUS says only 45% of users use the headphone
jack "at least once a month" or more.
<https://www.androidauthority.com/asus-headphone-jack-stats-3337692/>

- As at August 2019, only 1% of US users think the headphone jack on
their smartphone is a "top-three feature".
<https://www.androidauthority.com/ting-headphone-jack-survey-1020924/>

- As at September 2023:
"In a recent survey conducted among smartphone users, it was found
that the majority of people don’t consider the presence, or absence,
of a headphone jack as a decisive factor when purchasing a new
device."

<https://cellularnews.com/digital-wallet/people-dont-care-about-the-headphone-jack-in-smartphones-survey/#conclusion>

The reality is that those who actually need or want a headphone jack on
their smartphone is becoming an increasing minority and the headphone
jack *is* being phased out. Just like the plenty of other tech before
it were phased out (for example, computer floppy disk drives, computer
CD drives, etc.).

On 2023-11-17 20:24:40 +0000, Your Name said:

> On 2023-11-12 21:55:12 +0000, Carlos E. R. said:
>
>> On 2023-11-12 16:20, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> Indeed. Samsung Android devices don't have a headphone jack and also no
>>>> SD card slot. And the same applies to Google Pixel and many other vendors.
>>>
>>> Make that *some* Samsung Android devices, probably mainly/only the
>>> high-end models.
>>>
>>> My Galaxy A51 has headphone jack, SD card slot and FM radio. And even
>>> the newest replacement (A54G) still has a SD card slot (USB-C earjack,
>>> no details about FM radio).
>>>
>>> So over time these features may be phased out, but rather slowly and
>>> the SD card slot is probably the last to go. (The SD card slot has
>>> become less important because of larger and relatively cheaper Internal
>>> Storage sizes, but not unimportant, especially not at the low end.)
>>
>> My Motorola is dual SIM, but actually instead of a second sim I can put
>> a memory card. It is either sim or memory card, not both.
>>
>> My second motorola phone did not mention FM radio, but when I initially
>> cloned it over from my previous phone, the FM radio app was installed
>> and actually works.
>
> The FM radio app on my mother's previous Samsung phone only works if
> you plug in wired ear / headphones because it uses the wire as the
> antenna. Her current Samsung phone doesn't have a headphone jack, but I
> don't know if it still has the FM radio app (she hasn't and wouldn't
> ever use it anyway) - I would guess not.

Just checked and the new Samsung phone doesn't have the FM radio app either.

On 2023-11-17 18:57, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-11-18 00:43, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2023-11-17 18:35, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-18 00:27, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-17 15:43, Bradley wrote:
>>>>> On 11/17/2023 3:21 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> If it's that important to anyone there are nice little adaptors for
>>>> Ligthning or USB-C to 3.5 TRRS.
>>>
>>> That doesn't cover all the features, and is possibly more expensive.
>>
>> Amazon: CAD$8 .. $16.
>>
>> It's also a niche case that the vast majority of iPhone users don't
>> care about.  (Nor do many Android phone users).
>
> Cites?
>
> You will surely have surveys to support that, right?

Don't need to. Samsung's marketing department have paved that road
which is why their flagship phones don't support 1890's technology. Or
at least Samsung realized that Apple was right.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote

>> You will surely have surveys to support that, right?
>
> Don't need to. Samsung's marketing department have paved that road
> which is why their flagship phones don't support 1890's technology. Or
> at least Samsung realized that Apple was right.

In every way, it's worse.
Yet, Alan Browne is convinced that it's better.

What is interesting is Alan Browne actually _believes_ that a phone without
standard hardware is somehow (magically?) more functional than one with it.

Apple fed Alan Browne a fairy tale that nobody normal would believe.

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote

> The reality is that those who actually need or want a headphone jack on
> their smartphone is becoming an increasing minority and the headphone
> jack *is* being phased out. Just like the plenty of other tech before
> it were phased out (for example, computer floppy disk drives, computer
> CD drives, etc.).

Let's look at this issue using something called logic, shall we?
And intelligence too.

With a bit of knowledge (e.g., most phones have the headphone jack).

First off, let's look at it from the standpoint of the OEM, shall we.

Q: *Why does any OEM remove the headphone jack?*
A: If you don't know why, then you have a problem with cognition.
HINT: It's not for waterproofing.
DOUBLEHINT: It's not for any benefit to the consumer.

Now, let's look at the phone from the standpoint of the user, shall we?
Q: *What does a phone w/o the jack do that the phone with it can't do?*
A: Nothing.
HINT: Loss of the jack is a huge negative in every possible way.

Hmmm.... The user gains nothing, and, in fact the user loses a lot.
But the OEM gains something, now don't they. heh heh heh

As for headphone jacks "becoming an increasing minority", why do you say
such stupid things when you know that it takes seconds to factually
determine that over three quarters of current Android models have it?

Who is that incredibly ignorant to claim that 3/4 is a "minority"?

The fact the iPhone is crippled is what you're making excuses for.
*Nobody wants it* *Nobody needs it*

And yet, three quarters of all Android phones currently sold have it.
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/SQ4XGhFaOgI>

In summary, Apple profited greatly by crippling the iPhone, and you fell
for it, hook line and sinker. You're stuck stuttering trying to claim
*Nobody wants it* *Nobody needs it*

Even though everyone but you has it.
So you're stuck making excuses why your iPhone is crippled.
--
There's a reason Apple focuses on gullible customers to make their profits.

On 11/17/2023 1:30 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-11-17 22:22, Wally J wrote:
>
> ...
>
>> The result said most Android phones today come not only with the aux slot
>> but also an FM IC (both of which are required to use the emergency
>> radio).
>
> I have the suspicion that the radio could be re-designed to use the
> screen wire on the USB cable instead of the screen wire on the audio jack.

Perhaps, but there doesn't seem to be an effort to doe that. Very few
new flagship or mid-range Android phones still include a headphone jack
or FM radio because it was the least used feature when it did exist.

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

Peter, 2023-11-17 18:30:

> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
>>> I only needed to search for 30 seconds.
>>
>> You win - 100 points! Congratulations!!!!
>
> Instead of blurting childish insults why not just apologize for being wrong
> and for not thinking before you posted what you posted about aux ports?

"You win" is not enough?

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

Bradley, 2023-11-17 21:43:

> On 11/17/2023 3:21 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>> And the A32 is also 3 years old. Current Samsung models don't have a
>>> headphone jack any longer.
>>
>> Anything Apple does, Samsung eventually copies, even after making fun
>> of Apple for doing it in the first place. :-)
>
> You are correct that Samsung copied Apple's marketing strategy of removing
> the jack so that they could better control how you recovered from the loss.
>
> You didn't say whether you were aware that many Samsung models still have
> the jack as it's only some (those that chase Apple strategies) that don't.

Depends on how you define "many Samsung models". Very cheap models
maybe. But even the A54 does not have it even though it is not a high
end model.

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de