On 2023-11-26 19:41, Peter wrote:
> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> As usual Apple lead these "exclusions" and others follow. Within a few
>> more years (if that long) I doubt any smartphones will have audio jacks,
>> memory cards or FM receivers. Though the latter might hang in there
>> just because it is a subset of an existing chip feature set.
>
> Be careful about your false statistics because it's obvious that some OEMs
> follow Apple (who wouldn't want to make all that money off people).

What statistics? Do you read what you write? (Rhetorical).

>
> But most do not follow Apple.
> And even the ones that do follow Apple, give users the choice.

Apple have no trouble selling their wares. And when they drop things,
others soon follow.

> It's like Apple makes every car without a trunk, telling you it's
> courageous that you have to figure out on your own how to carry the
> groceries - and you buy all sorts of contraptions for the roof of your car
> to carry your groceries. Then you claim that contraption is "progress."

Idiotic fake comparison.

> Then some companies follow Apple by building cars without trunks.
> But those companies also create models that have the trunk.

Continued idiotic fake comparison.

> So the user has a choice of a car with or without the trunk.
> But not with Apple.

Continued fantastic idiotic fake comparison.

> With Apple, you have no choice. You only get a car without the trunk.
> Not the same thing as having the choice. Not even close to the same thing.

Continued fabricated fantastic idiotic fake comparison.

(In case you're confused about the word fantastic - it has a common root
with fantasy in the sense of "remote from reality").

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> With Apple, you have no choice. You only get a car without the trunk.
>> Not the same thing as having the choice. Not even close to the same thing.
>
> Continued fabricated fantastic idiotic fake comparison.

You constantly claimed that by spending extra for a rooftop carrier for
your groceries that it's better than a trunk because you have no trunk.

Your claim that "a trunk is so 1890s" is your excuse for not having one.

On 2023-11-26 16:41, Peter wrote:
> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> As usual Apple lead these "exclusions" and others follow. Within a few
>> more years (if that long) I doubt any smartphones will have audio jacks,
>> memory cards or FM receivers. Though the latter might hang in there
>> just because it is a subset of an existing chip feature set.
>
> Be careful about your false statistics because it's obvious that some OEMs
> follow Apple (who wouldn't want to make all that money off people).
>
> But most do not follow Apple.
> And even the ones that do follow Apple, give users the choice.
>
> It's like Apple makes every car without a trunk, telling you it's
> courageous that you have to figure out on your own how to carry the
> groceries - and you buy all sorts of contraptions for the roof of your car
> to carry your groceries. Then you claim that contraption is "progress."
>
> Then some companies follow Apple by building cars without trunks.
> But those companies also create models that have the trunk.
>
> So the user has a choice of a car with or without the trunk.
> But not with Apple.
>
> With Apple, you have no choice. You only get a car without the trunk.
> Not the same thing as having the choice. Not even close to the same thing.

If a car company starting selling a car without a trunk...

....and it sold well...

....would you just assume that people were being "gullible"...

....Arlen?

On 2023-11-26 17:54, Peter wrote:
> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> With Apple, you have no choice. You only get a car without the trunk.
>>> Not the same thing as having the choice. Not even close to the same thing.
>>
>> Continued fabricated fantastic idiotic fake comparison.
>
> You constantly claimed that by spending extra for a rooftop carrier for
> your groceries that it's better than a trunk because you have no trunk.
>
> Your claim that "a trunk is so 1890s" is your excuse for not having one.

Nope. Not even remotely the same...

....Arlen.

On 2023-11-26 16:50, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-11-26 14:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2023-11-26 17:26, Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-26 11:07, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-20 19:47, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>>> Carlos E. R., 2023-11-18 00:35:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2023-11-18 00:27, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2023-11-17 15:43, Bradley wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 11/17/2023 3:21 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If it's that important to anyone there are nice little adaptors for
>>>>>>> Ligthning or USB-C to 3.5 TRRS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That doesn't cover all the features, and is possibly more expensive.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, FM radio does not work that way - but phones without a headphone
>>>>> jack don't have FM radio anyway. And charging while listening to music
>>>>> also needs another adapter if you can not use wireless charging
>>>>> instead.
>>>>
>>>> Remember I said phones should have two usb connectors?
>>>
>>> I run into this situation where my charge is low and I want to use my
>>> wired earphones on a long call.
>>>
>>> I bought a wireless charger a couple years ago to conduct efficiency
>>> tests.  And it does come in handy once a month or so to charge the
>>> phone while I'm on such calls.
>>>
>>> You can buy a dongle that will permit 2 Lightning connections (one
>>> data, 1 audio) to 1 Lightning port.  They're on the order of $10.  I
>>> assume such will emerge (if not already) for USB-C.
>>
>> My phone doesn't charge wirelessly.
>
> Have you found a USB-C adaptor cable with 3 connectors (1 for the phone,
> 1 for "data/power" one for audio (phones))?

https://www.amazon.ca/s?k=usb-c+charging+and+audio+adapter&hvadid=604664806007&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9001554&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=358470888422617783&hvtargid=kwd-807920154713&hydadcr=27621_14575629&tag=googcana-20&ref=pd_sl_2o82gend6g_e

On 2023-11-26 23:59, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-11-26 14:58, Peter wrote:
>> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
>>>>>> I only needed to search for 30 seconds.
>>>>>
>>>>> You win - 100 points! Congratulations!!!!
>>>>
>>>> Instead of blurting childish insults why not just apologize for
>>>> being wrong
>>>> and for not thinking before you posted what you posted about aux ports?
>>>
>>> "You win" is not enough?
>>
>> Whatever you say is "enough" if you get into your thick skull that most
>> Android models sold today have the very useful ports, slots & radios.
>
> But what percentage of people USE those ports?

What percentage uses any particular feature or app?

Does a feature need to have 90% usage in order not not be removed?

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 2023-11-27 02:02, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-11-26 19:41, Peter wrote:
>> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>> As usual Apple lead these "exclusions" and others follow.  Within a few
>>> more years (if that long) I doubt any smartphones will have audio jacks,
>>> memory cards or FM receivers.  Though the latter might hang in there
>>> just because it is a subset of an existing chip feature set.
>>
>> Be careful about your false statistics because it's obvious that some
>> OEMs
>> follow Apple (who wouldn't want to make all that money off people).
>
> What statistics?  Do you read what you write?  (Rhetorical).
>
>>
>> But most do not follow Apple.
>> And even the ones that do follow Apple, give users the choice.
>
> Apple have no trouble selling their wares.  And when they drop things,
> others soon follow.
>
>> It's like Apple makes every car without a trunk, telling you it's
>> courageous that you have to figure out on your own how to carry the
>> groceries - and you buy all sorts of contraptions for the roof of your
>> car
>> to carry your groceries. Then you claim that contraption is "progress."
>
> Idiotic fake comparison.
>
>> Then some companies follow Apple by building cars without trunks.
>> But those companies also create models that have the trunk.
>
> Continued idiotic fake comparison.
>
>> So the user has a choice of a car with or without the trunk.
>> But not with Apple.
>
> Continued fantastic idiotic fake comparison.
>
>> With Apple, you have no choice. You only get a car without the trunk.
>> Not the same thing as having the choice. Not even close to the same
>> thing.
>
> Continued fabricated fantastic idiotic fake comparison.

But he is right.

>
> (In case you're confused about the word fantastic - it has a common root
> with fantasy in the sense of "remote from reality").
>

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 2023-11-27 01:43, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-11-26 14:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2023-11-26 17:18, Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-26 10:40, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-25 21:42, Your Name wrote:
>>>
>>>>> The relaity is that people actually wanting a headphone jack on
>>>>> their smartphone is a niche market, and the big companies do not
>>>>> bother with niche markets. Those few people that do want a
>>>>> headphone jack can simply add one with an adaptor - why should
>>>>> everyone else pay the extra 25c on the product price to include a
>>>>> socket they will never use?
>>>>
>>>> A company selling stuff to niche customers can actually maker rich,
>>>> they don't have competition.
>>>
>>> I looked.  Apple are not in that market space.
>>
>> I was not referring to Apple at all.
>
> Of course.  How could you.

Of course not.

I'm saying that a small company can sell niche products that big
companies neglect, and make rich because they cater to that 10% of
clients that can not buy what they use from the big companies, and by
doing so the small company has no competitors.

Are you that thick? The world doesn't go around Apple, loving Apple or
hating Apple. Have you ever seen me insulting Apple, for instance? I was
not even talking about Apple.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 2023-11-26 20:53, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 11/26/23 11:36 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2023-11-26 17:26, Alan Browne wrote:
>
>>> You can buy a dongle that will permit 2 Lightning connections (one
>>> data, 1 audio) to 1 Lightning port.  They're on the order of $10.  I
>>> assume such will emerge (if not already) for USB-C.
>>
>> My phone doesn't charge wirelessly.
>>
>> You just reminded me that some cars come with a wireless charger. My car
>> doesn't even have an specific place to put the phone, which is a
>> nuisance because the phone has to be connected to the car; instead of
>> GPS it has a touch screen with some hidden LG box that connects to the
>> phone by USB, and then the phone provides the GPS map instead. Android
>> Auto, or the equivalent for Apple, the car supports both.
>>
>> But no place to put the phone safely.
>
> I can put mine in the center cupholder, but I can't actually see it
> there -- it just keeps it off the floor.  There is NO flat surface in
> the Corolla, and the upper dashboard surface has a pebble grain so I
> can't use a suction cup. And only ONE cig lighter.
>
> I swear, whoever designs car interiors saves the good stuff for the
> high-price versions. I wish I had Android Auto, but not enough to buy a
> new 'entertainment unit'.

Oh, they do it to save money, not having to install a GPS navigator, and
not having to keep it updated "somehow" (some cars have maps 10 year
old). It is actually a pain, fails quite a bit.

I bought a WiFi/BT dongle, so that the car connects wirelessly to the
phone a Motorola MA1 Android Auto, the only one certified at the time by
Google (and my phone is also Motorola). When I get into the car, in
about 30 seconds I get the map in the display... or not. It fails to
connect. To recover, I try to make the hands free BT from the car itself
connect to the phone, and then the dongle may finally connect. If not, I
have to make the phone forget the credentials and find the BT of the
dongle again.

I also had the phone crash occasionally when driving. I read that
manufacturers are thinking of dropping Android auto, which is a pain, I
love things like access to some apps of the phone in the car display.
Say, Podcasts.

They might consider having the car with its own integrated tablet with
SIM, if they convince the telephone companies to provide duplicate
working SIMs or cheaper SIMS with a different number.

Apple? No idea, I know no one with an iphone to ask them.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 2023-11-26 20:54, Peter wrote:
> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> With Apple, you have no choice. You only get a car without the trunk.
>>> Not the same thing as having the choice. Not even close to the same thing.
>>
>> Continued fabricated fantastic idiotic fake comparison.
>
> You constantly claimed that by spending extra for a rooftop carrier for
> your groceries that it's better than a trunk because you have no trunk.
>
> Your claim that "a trunk is so 1890s" is your excuse for not having one.

Show me where I made such a claim. Otherwise stop doubling down on stupid.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On 2023-11-26 20:59, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-11-26 16:50, Alan Browne wrote:

>> Have you found a USB-C adaptor cable with 3 connectors (1 for the
>> phone, 1 for "data/power" one for audio (phones))?
>
> https://www.amazon.ca/s?k=usb-c+charging+and+audio+adapter&hvadid=604664806007&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9001554&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=358470888422617783&hvtargid=kwd-807920154713&hydadcr=27621_14575629&tag=googcana-20&ref=pd_sl_2o82gend6g_e

A little too broad, but there is one there called a "USB-C" splitter
which is what I was referring to.
--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On 2023-11-27 01:50, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-11-26 14:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2023-11-26 17:26, Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-26 11:07, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-20 19:47, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>>> Carlos E. R., 2023-11-18 00:35:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2023-11-18 00:27, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2023-11-17 15:43, Bradley wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 11/17/2023 3:21 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If it's that important to anyone there are nice little adaptors for
>>>>>>> Ligthning or USB-C to 3.5 TRRS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That doesn't cover all the features, and is possibly more expensive.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, FM radio does not work that way - but phones without a headphone
>>>>> jack don't have FM radio anyway. And charging while listening to music
>>>>> also needs another adapter if you can not use wireless charging
>>>>> instead.
>>>>
>>>> Remember I said phones should have two usb connectors?
>>>
>>> I run into this situation where my charge is low and I want to use my
>>> wired earphones on a long call.
>>>
>>> I bought a wireless charger a couple years ago to conduct efficiency
>>> tests.  And it does come in handy once a month or so to charge the
>>> phone while I'm on such calls.
>>>
>>> You can buy a dongle that will permit 2 Lightning connections (one
>>> data, 1 audio) to 1 Lightning port.  They're on the order of $10.  I
>>> assume such will emerge (if not already) for USB-C.
>>
>> My phone doesn't charge wirelessly.
>
> Have you found a USB-C adaptor cable with 3 connectors (1 for the phone,
> 1 for "data/power" one for audio (phones))?

Me? No, not even searched for it.

>
>>
>> You just reminded me that some cars come with a wireless charger. My
>> car doesn't even have an specific place to put the phone, which is a
>> nuisance because the phone has to be connected to the car; instead of
>> GPS it has a touch screen with some hidden LG box that connects to the
>> phone by USB, and then the phone provides the GPS map instead. Android
>> Auto, or the equivalent for Apple, the car supports both.
>>
>> But no place to put the phone safely.
>
> I bought a "coffee cup holder" phone holder.  You put it where a cup
> would go, twist the base control and it tightens in place.  Then the
> phone goes in a spring loaded bracket up top.

The coffee cup holder in my car is right where the seat-belt lock is,
behind the hand brake. Quite inconvenient for having the phone there.

> Couple this to a short lightning cable (about 40cm (?)) running back
> into centre console hidden USB connectors and it makes for a nice clean,
> safe, convenient location.    Although that cable is showing wear after
> many years of service.
>
> CarPlay for the rest... (no wireless charger and that's fine with me).
>

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 2023-11-27 05:53, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-11-26 23:59, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-11-26 14:58, Peter wrote:
>>> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
>>>>>>> I only needed to search for 30 seconds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You win - 100 points! Congratulations!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Instead of blurting childish insults why not just apologize for
>>>>> being wrong
>>>>> and for not thinking before you posted what you posted about aux
>>>>> ports?
>>>>
>>>> "You win" is not enough?
>>>
>>> Whatever you say is "enough" if you get into your thick skull that most
>>> Android models sold today have the very useful ports, slots & radios.
>>
>> But what percentage of people USE those ports?
>
> What percentage uses any particular feature or app?
>
> Does a feature need to have 90% usage in order not not be removed?

Take data expansion. This means there is unused volume inside from the
start. Better to reclaim that (more battery) and sell it with more SSD
from the start. Less parts, more reliable. Seal the phone - better
water resistance.

Earphone jack female end is pretty bulky. Dump it.

FM Radio. Sure. Everyone uses that. Snicker.

Indeed phones sold with the FM had it disabled by Samsung requiring
either alternate app to bring it back to life or later updates by Samsung.
https://r1.community.samsung.com/t5/galaxy-a/fm-on-galaxy-devices/m-p/12984283/highlight/true#M10912

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On 2023-11-27 05:55, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-11-27 02:02, Alan Browne wrote:

> But he is right.

He manifestly is not. Apple do not make cars.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On 2023-11-27 06:01, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-11-27 01:43, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2023-11-26 14:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-26 17:18, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-26 10:40, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-11-25 21:42, Your Name wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> The relaity is that people actually wanting a headphone jack on
>>>>>> their smartphone is a niche market, and the big companies do not
>>>>>> bother with niche markets. Those few people that do want a
>>>>>> headphone jack can simply add one with an adaptor - why should
>>>>>> everyone else pay the extra 25c on the product price to include a
>>>>>> socket they will never use?
>>>>>
>>>>> A company selling stuff to niche customers can actually maker rich,
>>>>> they don't have competition.
>>>>
>>>> I looked.  Apple are not in that market space.
>>>
>>> I was not referring to Apple at all.
>>
>> Of course.  How could you.
>
> Of course not.
>
> I'm saying that a small company can sell niche products that big
> companies neglect, and make rich because they cater to that 10% of
> clients that can not buy what they use from the big companies, and by
> doing so the small company has no competitors.

Guess what? We know what niche markets are.

>
> Are you that thick? The world doesn't go around Apple, loving Apple or
> hating Apple. Have you ever seen me insulting Apple, for instance? I was
> not even talking about Apple.

Are you so triggered you have to answer every post in a defensive posture?

This whole thread is about Apple resale value. Get over yourself.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On 2023-11-27 02:53, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-11-26 23:59, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-11-26 14:58, Peter wrote:
>>> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
>>>>>>> I only needed to search for 30 seconds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You win - 100 points! Congratulations!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Instead of blurting childish insults why not just apologize for
>>>>> being wrong
>>>>> and for not thinking before you posted what you posted about aux
>>>>> ports?
>>>>
>>>> "You win" is not enough?
>>>
>>> Whatever you say is "enough" if you get into your thick skull that most
>>> Android models sold today have the very useful ports, slots & radios.
>>
>> But what percentage of people USE those ports?
>
> What percentage uses any particular feature or app?
>
> Does a feature need to have 90% usage in order not not be removed?
>

No.

But surely there is SOME level of usage that falls below the point where
it should be kept.

My point was that simply looking at how many models HAVE such a feature
doesn't tell you as much as you think.

On 2023-11-27 02:55, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> It's like Apple makes every car without a trunk, telling you it's
>>> courageous that you have to figure out on your own how to carry the
>>> groceries - and you buy all sorts of contraptions for the roof of
>>> your car
>>> to carry your groceries. Then you claim that contraption is "progress."
>>
>> Idiotic fake comparison.
>>
>>> Then some companies follow Apple by building cars without trunks.
>>> But those companies also create models that have the trunk.
>>
>> Continued idiotic fake comparison.
>>
>>> So the user has a choice of a car with or without the trunk.
>>> But not with Apple.
>>
>> Continued fantastic idiotic fake comparison.
>>
>>> With Apple, you have no choice. You only get a car without the trunk.
>>> Not the same thing as having the choice. Not even close to the same
>>> thing.
>>
>> Continued fabricated fantastic idiotic fake comparison.
>
> But he is right.

No, in no way at all is he right.

On 2023-11-27 05:09, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-11-26 20:59, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-11-26 16:50, Alan Browne wrote:
>
>>> Have you found a USB-C adaptor cable with 3 connectors (1 for the
>>> phone, 1 for "data/power" one for audio (phones))?
>>
>> https://www.amazon.ca/s?k=usb-c+charging+and+audio+adapter&hvadid=604664806007&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9001554&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=358470888422617783&hvtargid=kwd-807920154713&hydadcr=27621_14575629&tag=googcana-20&ref=pd_sl_2o82gend6g_e
>
> A little too broad, but there is one there called a "USB-C" splitter
> which is what I was referring to.

My point was that it clearly exists.

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2023-11-27 05:53, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> > On 2023-11-26 23:59, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2023-11-26 14:58, Peter wrote:
> >>> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
> >>>>>>> I only needed to search for 30 seconds.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You win - 100 points! Congratulations!!!!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Instead of blurting childish insults why not just apologize for
> >>>>> being wrong
> >>>>> and for not thinking before you posted what you posted about aux
> >>>>> ports?
> >>>>
> >>>> "You win" is not enough?
> >>>
> >>> Whatever you say is "enough" if you get into your thick skull that most
> >>> Android models sold today have the very useful ports, slots & radios.
> >>
> >> But what percentage of people USE those ports?
> >
> > What percentage uses any particular feature or app?
> >
> > Does a feature need to have 90% usage in order not not be removed?
>
> Take data expansion. This means there is unused volume inside from the
> start. Better to reclaim that (more battery) and sell it with more SSD
> from the start. Less parts, more reliable. Seal the phone - better
> water resistance.

No offense, but that's a rather weak argument.

The extra space taken up by a (Micro) SD-card 'tray' is tiny and in
most cases only a small extension of the SIM-card tray.

Yes, more internal storage is good, but that also occupies space and
- *if* available - costs extra money upfront.

It used to cost quite a lot of money upfront, especially on lower end
phones. These days, the incremental cost is not that high anymore, but
at the low end, the internal storage was/is quite low. When I bought my
current phone three years ago, there were many 16GB phones (and perhaps
even some 8GB ones). Now, there still are some 32GB phones.

Anyway, it's nice to have the option of - *large* - memory expansion,
instead of getting stuck with a too small (storage) phone. For *me* -
with my current 128GB phone - not an earth-shaking big deal, but a nice
option. For others, with less internal storage or/and other memory
needs, it might be a more-important/essential feature.

Moral: Different strokes for different folks.

[...]

On this Mon, 27 Nov 2023 08:18:45 -0500, Alan Browne wrote:

> Take data expansion. This means there is unused volume inside from the
> start. Better to reclaim that (more battery) and sell it with more SSD
> from the start. Less parts, more reliable. Seal the phone - better
> water resistance.

Your reasoning is absurd because you don't even know what an sd card does.
And you are making up excuses about "water resistance" because it's absurd.

How are you going to get portable memory with your dinky broken iPhone?

On 11/27/2023 1:41 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

> Anyway, it's nice to have the option of - *large* - memory expansion,
> instead of getting stuck with a too small (storage) phone.

As you said, it's nice is you can fill up any inexpensive 512GB card with
photos & video & then pop in another card & fill up another 512GB.

And another. And another. And another after that.

But it's also portable.

What no phone can do without the sd card is pop it out of one phone and put
it in another phone and have all the data be available to the other phone.

Very useful. The dinky half-baked iPhone can't do anything like that.

On 11/27/2023 8:19 AM, Alan Browne wrote:

>> But he is right.
>
> He manifestly is not. Apple do not make cars.

Everything about an iPhone is like those cheap plastic dollar store tools.

The cheap iPhone has no FM radio & it has no aux jack to use with it.
The dinky iPhone is missing the sd slot so it's impossible to pop the
memory card out of one phone to use in another. In addition, the cheaply
made iPhone can't pop in a 512MB memory card & then use it up, & then pop
in another, & use that up, & then maybe pop in another. And another.

Everything about the iPhone reeks of its cheap plastic dollar store design.

On 2023-11-27 19:00, Larry Wolff wrote:
> On this Mon, 27 Nov 2023 08:18:45 -0500, Alan Browne wrote:
>
>> Take data expansion. This means there is unused volume inside from the
>> start. Better to reclaim that (more battery) and sell it with more SSD
>> from the start. Less parts, more reliable. Seal the phone - better
>> water resistance.
>
> Your reasoning is absurd because you don't even know what an sd card does.

Given I have nearly a dozen within reach right here right now, that is
quite the claim.

> And you are making up excuses about "water resistance" because it's absurd.

And of course any device that has a "port" or is conveniently opened is
at higher risk of water damage. iPhones on the other hand have great
water resistance and have been demonstrated to exceed their spec for
time and depth by multiples.

> How are you going to get portable memory with your dinky broken iPhone?

It is my portable memory. I often encrypted volumes of data at work to
bring home for storage using my iPhone as the data carrier. Quite fast
and convenient esp. using the AirDrop feature on both ends of the
transaction.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On 11/27/2023 9:12 PM, Alan Browne wrote:

>> Your reasoning is absurd because you don't even know what an sd card does.
>
> Given I have nearly a dozen within reach right here right now, that is
> quite the claim.

All your arguments reek of you not understanding what you make absurd
excuses for not having on that dinky cheap dollar-store iPhone of yours.

You don't even know that sd works as portable storage, so it's absurd your
claim that the only reason for an sd card is to augment internal storage.

Although it does also augment the internal storage.
Your dinky dollar-store cheap plastic iPhone can't do any of that.

>> And you are making up excuses about "water resistance" because it's absurd.
>
> And of course any device that has a "port" or is conveniently opened is
> at higher risk of water damage. iPhones on the other hand have great
> water resistance and have been demonstrated to exceed their spec for
> time and depth by multiples.

Phones with ports have fine water resistance.

You're just making absurd excuses because you don't have the aux port
in that cheap dinky plastic dollar-store iPhone of yours.

>> How are you going to get portable memory with your dinky broken iPhone?
>
> It is my portable memory. I often encrypted volumes of data at work to
> bring home for storage using my iPhone as the data carrier. Quite fast
> and convenient esp. using the AirDrop feature on both ends of the
> transaction.

See. You don't even understand the slightest of what portable memory means.

Nor do you understand that you can capture 512GB of media and then do it
again, and again, and again (all day, every day) using those sd cards.

you can't do anything like that in your cheap plastic dinky iPhone.
Every excuse you made is absurd because you don't understand any of this.

Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> Whatever you say is "enough" if you get into your thick skull that most
>>>>> Android models sold today have the very useful ports, slots & radios.
>>>>
>>>> But what percentage of people USE those ports?
>>>
>>> What percentage uses any particular feature or app?
>>>
>>> Does a feature need to have 90% usage in order not not be removed?
>>
>> Take data expansion. This means there is unused volume inside from the
>> start. Better to reclaim that (more battery) and sell it with more SSD
>> from the start. Less parts, more reliable. Seal the phone - better
>> water resistance.
>
> No offense, but that's a rather weak argument.
>
> The extra space taken up by a (Micro) SD-card 'tray' is tiny and in
> most cases only a small extension of the SIM-card tray.
>
> Yes, more internal storage is good, but that also occupies space and
> - *if* available - costs extra money upfront.
>
> It used to cost quite a lot of money upfront, especially on lower end
> phones. These days, the incremental cost is not that high anymore, but
> at the low end, the internal storage was/is quite low. When I bought my
> current phone three years ago, there were many 16GB phones (and perhaps
> even some 8GB ones). Now, there still are some 32GB phones.
>
> Anyway, it's nice to have the option of - *large* - memory expansion,
> instead of getting stuck with a too small (storage) phone. For *me* -
> with my current 128GB phone - not an earth-shaking big deal, but a nice
> option. For others, with less internal storage or/and other memory
> needs, it might be a more-important/essential feature.
>
> Moral: Different strokes for different folks.

What's happening here is the Apple people bought a car that has no trunk.
So they bought an overhead carrier to carry their stuff, like groceries.

Then they tell you how great the overhead carrier is for hauling groceries.
But what they can't fathom is anyone can add the same overhead carrier.

The difference is that they have to add it as they have no other choice.