On 2023-11-25 06:28, Wally J wrote:
> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote
>
>> The reality is that those who want wired headphones / earbuds are in
>> the minority (and shrinking), so the technology is fading away.
>
> Minority?
>
> WTF?
>
> How can you say that when almost all Android models have headphone jacks?

You get that different models sell in different AMOUNTS...

....right?

On 11/25/2023 10:11 AM, Alan Browne wrote:

> 1890 says "hi!"

You're just embarrassed that your iPhone can't do what most phones can.

On 2023-11-26 02:33:30 +0000, Larry Wolff said:

> On 11/25/2023 10:11 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
>
>> 1890 says "hi!"
>
> You're just embarrassed that your iPhone can't do what most phones can.

And you're just scared because your crappy phone can do what most
people don't need it to.

Another idiot to add to the killfile.

On 2023-11-25 21:33, Larry Wolff wrote:
> On 11/25/2023 10:11 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
>
>> 1890 says "hi!"
>
> You're just embarrassed that your iPhone can't do what most phones can.

It does all I and most people need and much more.

And for one thing I treasure Apple devices most: seamless integration
across Apple devices, it does it far, far better than any Android device.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On 2023-11-21 01:00, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-11-20 16:55, Your Name wrote:
>> On 2023-11-20 18:52:34 +0000, Arno Welzel said:
>>> Your Name, 2023-11-18 04:23:

....

>>
>> Did any buyers say "we do want 8K TVs"? Nope, the makers decided we
>> did, even though no TV network on the planet was broadcasting 8K TV
>> shows.
>
> 4K is pretty much the practical limit for the vast majority of homes.
> (I'm still on my 1080p plasma from ca. 2005).
>
>> Same with pretty much all the other technology changes.
>>
>> That "pushing" of the buyers is of course partly a marketing scheme to
>> keep stupid people buying the "latest and greatest" new toy on the
>> block, even when they've already got a perfectly fine older toy that
>> does everything they need it to.
>
> Not really.  While DVD is fine for some movies, BluRay is much crisper
> for movies that need that level of detail.  We'll probably get a 4K tv
> within a few years ...

Blue ray is not selling much.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 2023-11-26 10:17, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-11-21 01:00, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2023-11-20 16:55, Your Name wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-20 18:52:34 +0000, Arno Welzel said:
>>>> Your Name, 2023-11-18 04:23:
>
> ...
>
>
>>>
>>> Did any buyers say "we do want 8K TVs"? Nope, the makers decided we
>>> did, even though no TV network on the planet was broadcasting 8K TV
>>> shows.
>>
>> 4K is pretty much the practical limit for the vast majority of homes.
>> (I'm still on my 1080p plasma from ca. 2005).
>>
>>> Same with pretty much all the other technology changes.
>>>
>>> That "pushing" of the buyers is of course partly a marketing scheme
>>> to keep stupid people buying the "latest and greatest" new toy on the
>>> block, even when they've already got a perfectly fine older toy that
>>> does everything they need it to.
>>
>> Not really.  While DVD is fine for some movies, BluRay is much crisper
>> for movies that need that level of detail.  We'll probably get a 4K tv
>> within a few years ...
>
> Blue ray is not selling much.

But it is definitely selling. There aren't many movies I buy to keep,
but the few I deem "worth it" are always available in BR.

And now, if I'm eventually going to get a 4K television (not a high
priority) I'll probably by 4K versions going forward.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On 2023-11-26 16:23, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-11-26 10:17, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2023-11-21 01:00, Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-20 16:55, Your Name wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-20 18:52:34 +0000, Arno Welzel said:
>>>>> Your Name, 2023-11-18 04:23:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> Did any buyers say "we do want 8K TVs"? Nope, the makers decided we
>>>> did, even though no TV network on the planet was broadcasting 8K TV
>>>> shows.
>>>
>>> 4K is pretty much the practical limit for the vast majority of homes.
>>> (I'm still on my 1080p plasma from ca. 2005).
>>>
>>>> Same with pretty much all the other technology changes.
>>>>
>>>> That "pushing" of the buyers is of course partly a marketing scheme
>>>> to keep stupid people buying the "latest and greatest" new toy on
>>>> the block, even when they've already got a perfectly fine older toy
>>>> that does everything they need it to.
>>>
>>> Not really.  While DVD is fine for some movies, BluRay is much
>>> crisper for movies that need that level of detail.  We'll probably
>>> get a 4K tv within a few years ...
>>
>> Blue ray is not selling much.
>
> But it is definitely selling.  There aren't many movies I buy to keep,
> but the few I deem "worth it" are always available in BR.

I have a dvd writer on my computer, but getting media is becoming difficult.

>
> And now, if I'm eventually going to get a 4K television (not a high
> priority) I'll probably by 4K versions going forward.
>

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 2023-11-25 21:42, Your Name wrote:
> On 2023-11-25 11:58:04 +0000, Arno Welzel said:
>> Alan Browne, 2023-11-20 22:45:
>>> On 2023-11-20 13:52, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>> Your Name, 2023-11-18 04:23:

....

>> So if Apple and Samsung decided that certain phones will only be sold
>> without headphone jacks, they won't change that, even if some people
>> complain about this or angry write blog posts or tweets ("Xs" now?)
>> about that.
>
> Not quite true, companies do reverse decisions, but it depends on how
> many that "some people" actually is.
>
> For example, Apple changed the top row of the keyboard on some of their
> laptops from regular function keys to a silly "Touchbar" screen. Most
> people either hated it or didn't care, and Apple has now dropped the
> "feature" and put back regular function keys.
>
> Apple created the "trashcan" Mac Pro. Many people hated it and Apple
> eventually replaced it with the standard (if rather ugly "cheesegrater")
> mini-tower Mac Pro.
>
> Here in New Zealand, a few years ago the Cadbury company started using
> palm oil in their chocolate bars. It was hated by most people, so the
> company swapped back.
>
> The relaity is that people actually wanting a headphone jack on their
> smartphone is a niche market, and the big companies do not bother with
> niche markets. Those few people that do want a headphone jack can simply
> add one with an adaptor - why should everyone else pay the extra 25c on
> the product price to include a socket they will never use?

A company selling stuff to niche customers can actually maker rich, they
don't have competition.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 2023-11-20 19:47, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Carlos E. R., 2023-11-18 00:35:
>
>> On 2023-11-18 00:27, Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-17 15:43, Bradley wrote:
>>>> On 11/17/2023 3:21 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>> If it's that important to anyone there are nice little adaptors for
>>> Ligthning or USB-C to 3.5 TRRS.
>>
>> That doesn't cover all the features, and is possibly more expensive.
>
> Yes, FM radio does not work that way - but phones without a headphone
> jack don't have FM radio anyway. And charging while listening to music
> also needs another adapter if you can not use wireless charging instead.

Remember I said phones should have two usb connectors?

>
> Anything else?
>

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 2023-11-26 10:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> I have a dvd writer on my computer, but getting media is becoming
> difficult.

Local Staples lists 6 varieties of Verbatim BD-R disc packages of 10 -
25 discs (of which 2 are in-store/in-stock and 4 can be ordered).

And the usual suspect has several brands, ea. with a variety of packages
deliverable next day or within days.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On 2023-11-26 10:40, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-11-25 21:42, Your Name wrote:

>> The relaity is that people actually wanting a headphone jack on their
>> smartphone is a niche market, and the big companies do not bother with
>> niche markets. Those few people that do want a headphone jack can
>> simply add one with an adaptor - why should everyone else pay the
>> extra 25c on the product price to include a socket they will never use?
>
> A company selling stuff to niche customers can actually maker rich, they
> don't have competition.

I looked. Apple are not in that market space.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On 2023-11-26 11:07, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-11-20 19:47, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Carlos E. R., 2023-11-18 00:35:
>>
>>> On 2023-11-18 00:27, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-17 15:43, Bradley wrote:
>>>>> On 11/17/2023 3:21 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> If it's that important to anyone there are nice little adaptors for
>>>> Ligthning or USB-C to 3.5 TRRS.
>>>
>>> That doesn't cover all the features, and is possibly more expensive.
>>
>> Yes, FM radio does not work that way - but phones without a headphone
>> jack don't have FM radio anyway. And charging while listening to music
>> also needs another adapter if you can not use wireless charging instead.
>
> Remember I said phones should have two usb connectors?

I run into this situation where my charge is low and I want to use my
wired earphones on a long call.

I bought a wireless charger a couple years ago to conduct efficiency
tests. And it does come in handy once a month or so to charge the phone
while I'm on such calls.

You can buy a dongle that will permit 2 Lightning connections (one data,
1 audio) to 1 Lightning port. They're on the order of $10. I assume
such will emerge (if not already) for USB-C.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On 2023-11-26 17:18, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-11-26 10:40, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2023-11-25 21:42, Your Name wrote:
>
>>> The relaity is that people actually wanting a headphone jack on their
>>> smartphone is a niche market, and the big companies do not bother
>>> with niche markets. Those few people that do want a headphone jack
>>> can simply add one with an adaptor - why should everyone else pay the
>>> extra 25c on the product price to include a socket they will never use?
>>
>> A company selling stuff to niche customers can actually maker rich,
>> they don't have competition.
>
> I looked.  Apple are not in that market space.

I was not referring to Apple at all.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 2023-11-26 17:14, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-11-26 10:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> I have a dvd writer on my computer, but getting media is becoming
>> difficult.

Oops. Blue ray writer, meant to say.

>
> Local Staples lists 6 varieties of Verbatim BD-R disc packages of 10 -
> 25 discs (of which 2 are in-store/in-stock and 4 can be ordered).
>
> And the usual suspect has several brands, ea. with a variety of packages
> deliverable next day or within days.

Sure, Amazon had them the last time I needed them, which was some years
ago. Archival quality.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 2023-11-26 17:26, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-11-26 11:07, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2023-11-20 19:47, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> Carlos E. R., 2023-11-18 00:35:
>>>
>>>> On 2023-11-18 00:27, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-11-17 15:43, Bradley wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/17/2023 3:21 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>> If it's that important to anyone there are nice little adaptors for
>>>>> Ligthning or USB-C to 3.5 TRRS.
>>>>
>>>> That doesn't cover all the features, and is possibly more expensive.
>>>
>>> Yes, FM radio does not work that way - but phones without a headphone
>>> jack don't have FM radio anyway. And charging while listening to music
>>> also needs another adapter if you can not use wireless charging instead.
>>
>> Remember I said phones should have two usb connectors?
>
> I run into this situation where my charge is low and I want to use my
> wired earphones on a long call.
>
> I bought a wireless charger a couple years ago to conduct efficiency
> tests.  And it does come in handy once a month or so to charge the phone
> while I'm on such calls.
>
> You can buy a dongle that will permit 2 Lightning connections (one data,
> 1 audio) to 1 Lightning port.  They're on the order of $10.  I assume
> such will emerge (if not already) for USB-C.

My phone doesn't charge wirelessly.

You just reminded me that some cars come with a wireless charger. My car
doesn't even have an specific place to put the phone, which is a
nuisance because the phone has to be connected to the car; instead of
GPS it has a touch screen with some hidden LG box that connects to the
phone by USB, and then the phone provides the GPS map instead. Android
Auto, or the equivalent for Apple, the car supports both.

But no place to put the phone safely.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 11/26/23 11:36 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-11-26 17:26, Alan Browne wrote:

>> You can buy a dongle that will permit 2 Lightning connections (one data,
>> 1 audio) to 1 Lightning port.  They're on the order of $10.  I assume
>> such will emerge (if not already) for USB-C.
>
> My phone doesn't charge wirelessly.
>
> You just reminded me that some cars come with a wireless charger. My car
> doesn't even have an specific place to put the phone, which is a
> nuisance because the phone has to be connected to the car; instead of
> GPS it has a touch screen with some hidden LG box that connects to the
> phone by USB, and then the phone provides the GPS map instead. Android
> Auto, or the equivalent for Apple, the car supports both.
>
> But no place to put the phone safely.

I can put mine in the center cupholder, but I can't actually see it
there -- it just keeps it off the floor. There is NO flat surface in
the Corolla, and the upper dashboard surface has a pebble grain so I
can't use a suction cup. And only ONE cig lighter.

I swear, whoever designs car interiors saves the good stuff for the
high-price versions. I wish I had Android Auto, but not enough to buy a
new 'entertainment unit'.

--
Cheers, Bev
"I used to be convinced that MicroSquish shipped crap because they
simply didn't give a flying fuck as long as the sheep kept buying
their shit. Now, I'm convinced that they really do ship the best
products they are capable of writing, and *that's* tragic."
- John C. Randolph, about MS quality control.

On 2023-11-26 15:40:32 +0000, Carlos E. R. said:
> On 2023-11-25 21:42, Your Name wrote:
>> On 2023-11-25 11:58:04 +0000, Arno Welzel said:
>>> Alan Browne, 2023-11-20 22:45:
>>>> On 2023-11-20 13:52, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>>> Your Name, 2023-11-18 04:23:
>
> ...
>
>
>>> So if Apple and Samsung decided that certain phones will only be sold
>>> without headphone jacks, they won't change that, even if some people
>>> complain about this or angry write blog posts or tweets ("Xs" now?)
>>> about that.
>>
>> Not quite true, companies do reverse decisions, but it depends on how
>> many that "some people" actually is.
>>
>> For example, Apple changed the top row of the keyboard on some of their
>> laptops from regular function keys to a silly "Touchbar" screen. Most
>> people either hated it or didn't care, and Apple has now dropped the
>> "feature" and put back regular function keys.
>>
>> Apple created the "trashcan" Mac Pro. Many people hated it and Apple
>> eventually replaced it with the standard (if rather ugly
>> "cheesegrater") mini-tower Mac Pro.
>>
>> Here in New Zealand, a few years ago the Cadbury company started using
>> palm oil in their chocolate bars. It was hated by most people, so the
>> company swapped back.
>>
>> The relaity is that people actually wanting a headphone jack on their
>> smartphone is a niche market, and the big companies do not bother with
>> niche markets. Those few people that do want a headphone jack can
>> simply add one with an adaptor - why should everyone else pay the extra
>> 25c on the product price to include a socket they will never use?
>
> A company selling stuff to niche customers can actually maker rich,
> they don't have competition.

Only if they the products are sold at hideously expensive,
profit-goughing prices.

Company A sells 50million products at a profit of $5 each is going to
make way more than Company B selling 1000 products for the same $5 each
profit. To even match Company A, Company B would have to sell the
product at a $250,000 each profit!

On 2023-11-26 15:28:44 +0000, Carlos E. R. said:
> On 2023-11-26 16:23, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2023-11-26 10:17, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-21 01:00, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-20 16:55, Your Name wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-11-20 18:52:34 +0000, Arno Welzel said:
>>>>>> Your Name, 2023-11-18 04:23:
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Did any buyers say "we do want 8K TVs"? Nope, the makers decided we
>>>>> did, even though no TV network on the planet was broadcasting 8K TV
>>>>> shows.
>>>>
>>>> 4K is pretty much the practical limit for the vast majority of homes.
>>>> (I'm still on my 1080p plasma from ca. 2005).
>>>>
>>>>> Same with pretty much all the other technology changes.
>>>>>
>>>>> That "pushing" of the buyers is of course partly a marketing scheme to
>>>>> keep stupid people buying the "latest and greatest" new toy on the
>>>>> block, even when they've already got a perfectly fine older toy that
>>>>> does everything they need it to.
>>>>
>>>> Not really.  While DVD is fine for some movies, BluRay is much crisper
>>>> for movies that need that level of detail.  We'll probably get a 4K tv
>>>> within a few years ...
>>>
>>> Blue ray is not selling much.
>>
>> But it is definitely selling.  There aren't many movies I buy to keep,
>> but the few I deem "worth it" are always available in BR.
>
> I have a dvd writer on my computer, but getting media is becoming difficult.

Getting the round home-print labels is near-impossible and when you can
find them they're ridiculously expensive. (There are no longer any
printers with the DVD print tray, so the printable discs are useless.)
:-(

Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
>>>> I only needed to search for 30 seconds.
>>>
>>> You win - 100 points! Congratulations!!!!
>>
>> Instead of blurting childish insults why not just apologize for being wrong
>> and for not thinking before you posted what you posted about aux ports?
>
> "You win" is not enough?

Whatever you say is "enough" if you get into your thick skull that most
Android models sold today have the very useful ports, slots & radios.

On 2023-11-26 14:58, Peter wrote:
> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
>>>>> I only needed to search for 30 seconds.
>>>>
>>>> You win - 100 points! Congratulations!!!!
>>>
>>> Instead of blurting childish insults why not just apologize for being wrong
>>> and for not thinking before you posted what you posted about aux ports?
>>
>> "You win" is not enough?
>
> Whatever you say is "enough" if you get into your thick skull that most
> Android models sold today have the very useful ports, slots & radios.

But what percentage of people USE those ports?

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> As usual Apple lead these "exclusions" and others follow. Within a few
> more years (if that long) I doubt any smartphones will have audio jacks,
> memory cards or FM receivers. Though the latter might hang in there
> just because it is a subset of an existing chip feature set.

Be careful about your false statistics because it's obvious that some OEMs
follow Apple (who wouldn't want to make all that money off people).

But most do not follow Apple.
And even the ones that do follow Apple, give users the choice.

It's like Apple makes every car without a trunk, telling you it's
courageous that you have to figure out on your own how to carry the
groceries - and you buy all sorts of contraptions for the roof of your car
to carry your groceries. Then you claim that contraption is "progress."

Then some companies follow Apple by building cars without trunks.
But those companies also create models that have the trunk.

So the user has a choice of a car with or without the trunk.
But not with Apple.

With Apple, you have no choice. You only get a car without the trunk.
Not the same thing as having the choice. Not even close to the same thing.

On 2023-11-26 14:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-11-26 17:18, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2023-11-26 10:40, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-25 21:42, Your Name wrote:
>>
>>>> The relaity is that people actually wanting a headphone jack on
>>>> their smartphone is a niche market, and the big companies do not
>>>> bother with niche markets. Those few people that do want a headphone
>>>> jack can simply add one with an adaptor - why should everyone else
>>>> pay the extra 25c on the product price to include a socket they will
>>>> never use?
>>>
>>> A company selling stuff to niche customers can actually maker rich,
>>> they don't have competition.
>>
>> I looked.  Apple are not in that market space.
>
> I was not referring to Apple at all.

Of course. How could you.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote

> I was not referring to Apple at all.

Actually, if you understand Apple's marketing strategy, it's a niche of
highly gullible scared ignorant people. All three, is Apple's niche.

Look at any Apple advertisement, and you can see whom they market to:
a. Ignorant (e.g., they're told losing stuff is "courageous")
b. Scared (e.g., they're told Apple is safer when it's not)
c. Gullible (e.g., they're told "Yellow!" is a big improvement)

People who aren't ignorant, scared & gullible wouldn't waste their money on
the crippled iPhone. But kids who are style conscious will have their
parents pay for it for them (remember the blue/green bubble stuff).

Apple's "niche" is ignorant people who are extremely gullible & scared.
Android's market is not.

Just look at Alan Browne: He's all three wrapped up on one, is he not.

On 2023-11-26 14:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-11-26 17:26, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2023-11-26 11:07, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-20 19:47, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>> Carlos E. R., 2023-11-18 00:35:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2023-11-18 00:27, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-11-17 15:43, Bradley wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/17/2023 3:21 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>> If it's that important to anyone there are nice little adaptors for
>>>>>> Ligthning or USB-C to 3.5 TRRS.
>>>>>
>>>>> That doesn't cover all the features, and is possibly more expensive.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, FM radio does not work that way - but phones without a headphone
>>>> jack don't have FM radio anyway. And charging while listening to music
>>>> also needs another adapter if you can not use wireless charging
>>>> instead.
>>>
>>> Remember I said phones should have two usb connectors?
>>
>> I run into this situation where my charge is low and I want to use my
>> wired earphones on a long call.
>>
>> I bought a wireless charger a couple years ago to conduct efficiency
>> tests.  And it does come in handy once a month or so to charge the
>> phone while I'm on such calls.
>>
>> You can buy a dongle that will permit 2 Lightning connections (one
>> data, 1 audio) to 1 Lightning port.  They're on the order of $10.  I
>> assume such will emerge (if not already) for USB-C.
>
> My phone doesn't charge wirelessly.

Have you found a USB-C adaptor cable with 3 connectors (1 for the phone,
1 for "data/power" one for audio (phones))?

>
> You just reminded me that some cars come with a wireless charger. My car
> doesn't even have an specific place to put the phone, which is a
> nuisance because the phone has to be connected to the car; instead of
> GPS it has a touch screen with some hidden LG box that connects to the
> phone by USB, and then the phone provides the GPS map instead. Android
> Auto, or the equivalent for Apple, the car supports both.
>
> But no place to put the phone safely.

I bought a "coffee cup holder" phone holder. You put it where a cup
would go, twist the base control and it tightens in place. Then the
phone goes in a spring loaded bracket up top.
Couple this to a short lightning cable (about 40cm (?)) running back
into centre console hidden USB connectors and it makes for a nice clean,
safe, convenient location. Although that cable is showing wear after
many years of service.

CarPlay for the rest... (no wireless charger and that's fine with me).

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On 2023-11-26 14:53, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 11/26/23 11:36 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

>> But no place to put the phone safely.
>
> I can put mine in the center cupholder, but I can't actually see it
> there -- it just keeps it off the floor.  There is NO flat surface in
> the Corolla, and the upper dashboard surface has a pebble grain so I
> can't use a suction cup. And only ONE cig lighter.

You can get a coffee cup phone holder, but that would be pretty unsafe
to look at while driving (too low). Otherwise there are "vent" mounts
(which I'm not crazy about) or windshield suction cups (big/clumsy).

> I swear, whoever designs car interiors saves the good stuff for the
> high-price versions. I wish I had Android Auto, but not enough to buy a
> new 'entertainment unit'.

Base model Hondas in Canada come with all the goodies.
US? Not so much.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.